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What are the basic and in-depth facts about C. saxatilis?
toxicfish
11-23-2005, 7:34 PM
I dont know, let me check....... breaker breaker one nine.....hey peanut_power ya got your ears on.
snapshooter
11-23-2005, 7:49 PM
Here is some of the skinny from Vinny's site: http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/5491/saxatilispage.html
Peanut_Power
11-24-2005, 3:45 AM
Aye...bookmark that site...Mostly Cichlids.Com.......just about the best place to go for pike cichlid info...:D. I've emailed Vin Kutty a few times actually...kewl guy. His site hasn't been updated for a few years though, so some stuff has changed...but its still pretty accurate...oh...and there are more pikes that he could add...;).
It is all good info but it does not describe their community behavior. A friend of mine wants one and I'm tryin' to help him out. Someone on a myspace cichlids group recommended me to you, Peanut_Power. Have you had any personal experience with this species? What is their behavior compared to something like C. sp. Belly Crawler (I had one of those, female, great fish)?
pitbull
12-16-2005, 1:02 AM
Ring tails are great. I had one in a 125 gallon with 2 Oscars. He behaved pretty much in the same fashion. Really didn't show any aggression, and had tons of personality. As long as they have there own space, and there is nothing hyper aggressive with them, they should be fine.
The ringtail pike... is that C. cincta?
nandus_nandus
12-17-2005, 12:41 PM
I had a pair of C. sax for a time. The male would never accept the original female; but quickly paired w/ a second female that I later added. They held a territory in a 180 gallon w/ five larger sp. venezuela pikes. As often happens w/ these fish, the combo worked beautifully in the beginning. When it went bad, it did so quickly and the female was killed. I have a pick of them on my other computer. A little autopsy revealed her to be absolutely full of eggs. Anyway, they were beautiful and tough-as-nails. The male was approx. 9" and the female around 8".
CentralMayhem
12-17-2005, 1:03 PM
do you still have your venezuela's those things are MONSTERS.......mine went from 3" to almost 13 in a matter of 6 or so months!!!! maybe a little closer to a year actually but still. phenomonal growth rate by these pikes and mine was a bastard to my FH but didnt bother anything that didnt try to bother him
nandus_nandus
12-17-2005, 2:34 PM
Nah, had to let them go when we moved. They were very cool fish, though. What happened to yours?
pitbull
12-22-2005, 1:18 PM
The ring tail is the sax. http://filaman.ifm-geomar.de/Country/CountrySpeciesSummary.cfm?Country=Venezuela&Genus=Crenicichla&Species=saxatilis
Peanut_Power
12-22-2005, 7:01 PM
Thats the crappiest pictures of a saxatilis i've ever seen...looks more like a belly crawler...lol...maybe it IS a belly crawler
Peckoltia
12-22-2005, 8:43 PM
Great fish. I have a female with a big cloud of fry around her. Not sure exactly what saxatalis they are. Will get some pics uplater to get someone a bit more familiar with pike to ID them for me.
Here is her batch of eggs -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/moorrii/pikeeggs.jpg
Have seperated half the fry into a fry tank and left the other half with her, see who is the better mother!? :screwy: In all honesty it's just too hard to feed the fry in a 300gal.
Alex
Peanut_Power
12-22-2005, 8:45 PM
Side pictures of your Saxatilis would help ID it...can't really id it from that front picture. Watch the babies though.....cannibalism is VERY common....so sort them by size...;)
Peckoltia
12-23-2005, 12:15 AM
That was obviously not pic to ID it by. Will get a side profile shot in due time.
I actually have 3 adult breeding pairs and a pair that has just laid for the first time. I have read alot of reports about cannibalism. I have not found this to be the case, if fed well and often they will generally leave each other alone. It is only at about the 4 week mark that i take out the largest 5%. Leaving the rest in together.
Alex
nandus_nandus
12-23-2005, 2:44 PM
The ring tail is the sax. http://filaman.ifm-geomar.de/Country/CountrySpeciesSummary.cfm?Country=Venezuela&Genus=Crenicichla&Species=saxatilis
Not your fault, but that picture is of the pike which goes by the common name "belly crawler". The fish in the picture is a male. If you enlarge the pic, you can see that it is absolutely covered w/ the pike "scrunge". That stuff is brutal. It initally looks like ich, but is more malignant. It covers the fish and becomes a stringy, matted mess. I lost some lenticulata, and more recently, a cobra to that stuff.
pitbull
12-24-2005, 10:04 AM
I didn't even really look at the pic. I was looking more at the text. This pic looks just like the one that I had http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/5491/saxatilispage.html I was looking more for ring tail being a common name for a sax. I bought him from the LFS as a Spangled Pike. Great fish. I lost him to furunculosis. I bought some feeder goldfish, and even quarantined them for 3-4 weeks. Goldfish are some nasty little creatures.