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Cyclop3000
12-15-2005, 8:59 PM
Ok guys I need help. I am keeping a spawn of 10 yellow labs for my wife, which I was able to breed about 6 months ago. Some of them were 2" last week, some others way smaller. Everything was good for them, until last week.

I grabbed two of them and gave them to my father in law for his first tank. A couple days after he settled them in his 30g, one died. The other is fine.

From there on, I have had 2-3 of them die on me each week. No signs of illness or parasites, no signs of agression. They looked perfectly healthy. I have a couple other cichlids in the tank and they are fine. Unfortunately I did not check water parameters before I did a 50% water change today. I now have 4 left, and they seem to always hide and not happy.

I did notice they were breathing quite fast, faster than usual. When they die, they do not float...they just lay on the gravel.

Can anybody please help me? Or at least give me ideas on the problem so I can at least know...The tank is a 20g, they are in there with a gourami, leulupi and a baby frontosa. As I said, no agression otherwise I would have split them.

Thanks all for your help :thumbsup:

guppy
12-15-2005, 9:21 PM
The gasping makes me think ammonia or anoxea but if your filter is working and you are doing your water changes that shouldn't be it.

SinisterKisses
12-15-2005, 11:54 PM
I'd check your water parameters for nitrites, nitrates, and ammonia. I'd bet one of those is the problem.

Cyclop3000
12-16-2005, 6:33 AM
Yeah i thought ammonia too with the breathing...but like I said I went and did the water change before testing. Guess i'll have to wait and see. I also realised I have quite a few plants in there that were not in too good shape...plants that go bad screws up the water parameters...so i decided to remove them...only left one for hiding spots.

Should help...thanks for your replies guys. Wife is not happy her fish are dying :(

shawnmartin77
12-18-2005, 8:42 PM
Along with water testing i've also been told most africans die from other africans

Cyclop3000
12-18-2005, 8:49 PM
Like I said, no signs of agression so this is out of the loop...a few more died since my last post...dang I can't get my finger on it.

danny boy
12-18-2005, 8:54 PM
i had a very similar problem a few years ago when i began breeding platy for profit. after two generations and all my stock had bred it was clear that interbreeding had resulted in week fish that would die for no reason and they would never get any decent size on them to be worth selling. am i right in guessing all ten labs are related? if so its possible they could have come from other related stock and who knows how many times interbred. if you are serious about breeding them then bloodlines are the key

oh and you have overstocked that tank in my opinion. you need a 40 really.

ogre929
12-25-2005, 11:20 PM
i had a very similar problem a few years ago when i began breeding platy for profit. after two generations and all my stock had bred it was clear that interbreeding had resulted in week fish that would die for no reason and they would never get any decent size on them to be worth selling. am i right in guessing all ten labs are related? if so its possible they could have come from other related stock and who knows how many times interbred. if you are serious about breeding them then bloodlines are the key

oh and you have overstocked that tank in my opinion. you need a 40 really.


on the inbreeding note, all yellow labs were spawned until very recently from just a few pairs of original fish. They have been inbred like cockerspaniels and french bulldogs. This certainly leads to weak fish. though usually introducing one or two mbuna into a mbuna tank usually leads to death. It's better to add them in groups. also yellow labs are no where near as aggressive as fish like zebras.

danny boy
12-26-2005, 10:28 PM
on the inbreeding note, all yellow labs were spawned until very recently from just a few pairs of original fish. They have been inbred like cockerspaniels and french bulldogs. This certainly leads to weak fish. though usually introducing one or two mbuna into a mbuna tank usually leads to death. It's better to add them in groups. also yellow labs are no where near as aggressive as fish like zebras.

yeah i had heard that story about the guy starting out with 2 labs and creating 20,000 within 6 years.

ogre929
12-27-2005, 2:20 AM
i hadn't heard that, but i heard it wasn't very many pairs thats why wild ones are so damn expensive. though i could be wrong. but it would be the first time. it's like the story about richard gere, you hear something from so many different people it's gotta be true. but seriously, wild caught labido's are way more expensive than they should be.

Scotty
12-29-2005, 3:10 PM
I find that treating my fish, under what seem to be similar circumstances, with Sera Baktopur direct helps to reduce the number of deaths. This is medication for internal and external bacteria. I follow the directions as stated. What is the condition of the fish fins? Stress is the biggest killer with Malawi's. I have had a fish go from healthy to dead within 5-6 hrs, Metriaclima callainos. Can only put it down to stress caused by the other fish. If a fish becomes stressed the others will hound it.

Scotty
12-29-2005, 3:11 PM
I find that treating my fish, under what seem to be similar circumstances, with Sera Baktopur direct helps to reduce the number of deaths. This is medication for internal and external bacteria. I follow the directions as stated. What is the condition of the fish fins? Stress is the biggest killer with Malawi's. I have had a fish go from healthy to dead within 5-6 hrs, Metriaclima callainos. Can only put it down to stress caused by the other fish. If a fish becomes stressed the others will hound it. :naughty: :headbang2 :headbang2 :thumbsup:

greenearthlawns
11-18-2008, 6:55 PM
Need help... cichlids started to dying. My water is perfect as far as I can tell. No nitrites, nitrates, pH is 8.0, salt is 8 ppt. I did dose with melafix and pimafix together for 3 days befor any of the deaths occured. then stopped treatment after first death. next day, another death, next day, 3 deaths, and now have my favorite cichlid on the brink. I changed 30 gal after the deaths just in case the meds were too strong. I was only treating for ripped fins. Could it be this medication? There is also a lot of spawning going on right now so the aggression is a bit amped up but it doesnt seem too too bad or out of the ordinary. Please respond if you read this.

mike dunagan
11-19-2008, 1:09 PM
need more information. What fish pics, any signs.

miss.skinny
06-21-2010, 1:10 PM
Two of my yellow labs just recently died off. I changed water on Tuesday.
I came home from work Friday night, went to feed them - I always make sure they are all swimming where I can see them before I put the food in - but only 2 labs showed up. So I searched for the other and found him dead. He looked normal, no signs of aggression, his mouth was closed, so I thought maybe he wasn't getting enough food. Then the second one died within a day as well, on Sunday. I fed them before I left Saturday, stayed the night at my parents and came home to find a second lab dead, his mouth was open and his gills were protruding out, still no signs of aggression, his body looked fine. My other lab looks great, as well as my other cichlids and my water looks fine, clear as day. I saw zero symptoms with the 2 labs that died, they were always swimming about and acting normal, so I find it strange that they died.
Any ideas? Should take my water in for testing just to be safe..

mike dunagan
06-29-2010, 2:53 PM
temp of tank? Temp of house, do you change the temp while gone? Rise in temp means loss of air in water.