View Full Version : Overestimated the size of our tank! (w/ pics)
AR_Clint
02-06-2008, 8:51 PM
Well, my wife and I went fishing the other day with plans of catching some friends for our small LMB and our green sunfish. We were pretty determined to get something for the tank, but this is not quite what we had in mind. Lol.
About 15 minutes before we were going to leave we caught a huge trout. I wasn't sure how long it was, but thought to myself, "Well, if it doesn't fit we'll just eat it."
When we got home I walked inside and after some acclimation, placed the fish in the 125g. when I stepped back and looked, the tank had never looked so small (or was it that the trout now looked GIGANTIC). Either way, I came to a quick realization that the two were'nt compatable and we had a great fish dinner the night.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a268/AR_Clint/CIMG1407.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a268/AR_Clint/CIMG1421.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a268/AR_Clint/CIMG1404.jpg
muckieman
02-06-2008, 8:59 PM
wow but the trout will have some truble in the temp he is in if its above 70degress.
yoimb0b
02-06-2008, 9:38 PM
they ate it
Bderick67
02-06-2008, 10:03 PM
I find it rather sad that you would even attemp to keep this fish captive. There is no way you could meet the needs of that fish.
meepster
02-06-2008, 11:10 PM
I find it rather sad that you would even attemp to keep this fish captive. There is no way you could meet the needs of that fish.
They kept it alive until they ate it. I bet it was very fresh :P
AR_Clint
02-07-2008, 1:24 AM
I find it rather sad that you would even attemp to keep this fish captive. There is no way you could meet the needs of that fish.
You probably shouldn't make assumptions like this one, especially being that you are pretty ignorant as to the different set-ups I have.
I figured I'd get a few judgemental comments like this one by posting this little story. There's always the "more experienced than you" and the "more responsible than you" types on hobbyist forums (no hard feelings Bderick67.) However, I'm not one to easily take offence, and I knew that quite a few people here would enjoy the story and pics. ;)
theheffners
02-07-2008, 1:42 AM
i enjoyed the story it has a funny twist to the end. my husband is a big fishman and him and his buddies go out fishing all the time in the summer, hoping to catch us something good for the new tank when it gets warm! like u said if it dont work out, eat it.
You're missing the full tank shot! :-) Nice fish, looks delicious.
fatherof5
02-07-2008, 4:49 AM
Trout, looks good , taste good, real good, good for you and good for you, MMMMMMMMM good!:ROFL:
I think he may mean it is cruel to put a fish through the stress of transportation and acclimitization just to end up killing it and eating it in the end... it would have been better to just kill it instantly. That's what came to my mind anyways. I don't think you can catch fish and put them in captivity where I live.
But it was a beautiful fish, and it is amazing that a 125g tank can be too small for one. I'm guessing they'd have pretty big bioload and oxygen demand?
PoopSmart
02-07-2008, 11:15 AM
I dont understand though because when you catch fish to eat them they are tortured. They are dangled on a stringer in the water. They j ust stay alive until they are ready to get their heads chopped off.
Or even worse, one time I went deep sea fishing when I was about 13 maybe, and I caught a sea bass and a snapper and before I could say anything like "I am not going to keep them" they strung them and put them in the freezer. They just froze the live fish to death. That has to be one of the most excrusciating pains. I can't even imagine it.
I think what he did was completely responsible, he was going to eat a fish, he decided to see if he couldn't keep it for a little while and then realized it was too big for a tank but just big enough for a meal.
Neat story.
rodgerpidactor
02-07-2008, 12:17 PM
I agree nice story. Glad to see another LMB keeper. You are pretty lucky that trout didn't eat your little guy though. If you want some tank mates I would go with a couple bullhead catfish or any catfish that stays reasonably small for that matter man. They flow good in bass tanks because they hide a lot and don't really ever bother the bass. You can see them lurking in the background during the day but at night or at feeding time it's a whole different story.:)
thehappypet
02-07-2008, 3:50 PM
What a shame, a beautiful creature like that is now gone from the wild forever.
Kobeclone
02-07-2008, 4:55 PM
What a shame, a beautiful creature like that is now gone from the wild forever.
:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL: isnt that fishkeeping in general???
RedDevilDon2005
02-07-2008, 5:03 PM
looks good, now im hungry. lol. cool story
fatherof5
02-07-2008, 5:08 PM
I look at those pictures and still have to say cool fish!
Polypterus
02-07-2008, 7:01 PM
What a shame, a beautiful creature like that is now gone from the wild forever.
It was never "wild" it was born in a hatchery, fed pellets for a few months then dumped someplace just to be caught... These Trout are not even native to his region and as far as my 2 cents are concerned who cares if it was taken...I surely do not...
Bizzaro
02-07-2008, 7:18 PM
How big was he? no laws on trout out in AZ? or was this from a lake? One day im going to keep a trout... I know 2 ppl that have 3lbers in one tank.
ShadowBass
02-07-2008, 7:58 PM
Looks like it made a nice meal :)
aquatic_wonders
02-07-2008, 8:18 PM
poor fishy :(
Bderick67
02-07-2008, 9:07 PM
You probably shouldn't make assumptions like this one, especially being that you are pretty ignorant as to the different set-ups I have.
I figured I'd get a few judgemental comments like this one by posting this little story. There's always the "more experienced than you" and the "more responsible than you" types on hobbyist forums (no hard feelings Bderick67.) However, I'm not one to easily take offence, and I knew that quite a few people here would enjoy the story and pics. ;)
Very, very, unlikely you would provide the clean cool water which trout require. If you were maintaining such type set up you would not have dumped that fish in the dinky tank with your bass.:screwy:
bassmaster221
02-08-2008, 12:28 PM
i used to have a trout! we had a 125 with a chiller and lots of bubbles we had him for a year then i went on vacation an my parents didnt take good care of him and he died, im def gonna do it again in the future, he was a brook trout and he was so aggresive!
CORVETTE
02-08-2008, 12:51 PM
i think its great people try to keep new and exciting fish.. People in here forget really fast where and how this hobby started by catching a fish and trying to keep it alive in a bowl...
Holy Crap.
Thats a 125??
That thing does make it look small. Wow.
Must of been fun realing that guy in.
I would have wanted to try and keep it too. :D
But i already have a tank full.
lilfats2
02-08-2008, 1:01 PM
lol i did that with a pickerel... I thought my tank would hold it.. i put it in and the thing just looked huge.. So i put it back right away the lake is about 10 min from my house... they are super slimey lil buggers
lilfats2
02-08-2008, 1:03 PM
:irked:i think its great people try to keep new and exciting fish.. People in here forget really fast where and how this hobby started by catching a fish and trying to keep it alive in a bowl...
lol very true, i have a lake across from my house that salt water i never knew it id catch fish from there and try to keep them in a bucket and feed it.. and wonder why it died lolll i was younger
AR_Clint
02-08-2008, 2:14 PM
Very, very, unlikely you would provide the clean cool water which trout require. If you were maintaining such type set up you would not have dumped that fish in the dinky tank with your bass.:screwy:
Like I mentioned earlier, making ignorant assumptions is not very responsible. You don't know what type of filtration system I have; nor do you know that I have a chiller that is currently not being used on my reef tank which I could hook onto the 125. Other than tank size (which was the title of my post) I see no other complications.
Maybe instead of demonstrating your judgemental tendencies by passing judgement in complete ignorance by stating things like "There is no way you could meet the needs of that fish" or "Very, very, unlikely you would provide the clean cool water which trout require", you could ask some questions to get informed about whether or not that's true.
I don't disagree with the act of, and for that matter, the importance of informing people about responsible fish keeping on forums such as these; but let's try to do it in a way that comes across as helpful and sincere. I think people as a whole tend to respond much better to criticism when it's framed in helpfullness.
Bderick67
02-08-2008, 6:38 PM
What kind of help was I to give you, you already stated the fish had been consumed. I was only giving my personal opinion, which was only based on info in your original post. IMO there are too many people that do not research the needs of fish before they attempt to keep them. My impression is that you are of that such, if I am wrong then is there really any harm done? If I am right then maybe you would take it upon yourself to do a little research.
arowana man
02-08-2008, 6:45 PM
What a shame, a beautiful creature like that is now gone from the wild forever.
some one has a soft spot. lol. my arowannas getting to big, i migh eat him. lol, J/K
likestofish
02-08-2008, 7:00 PM
that thing is huge looks tastey to, but noticing that it is a rainbow if it was wild born and not hatchery shouldnt it have some pink?
fatherof5
02-08-2008, 7:53 PM
Yeah it would be more in colour but i'm sure that the fish was very stressed out and by the look of it, it was from a hatchery but i could be wrong but the fins kind of give it away to me.
lol i did that with a pickerel... I thought my tank would hold it.. i put it in and the thing just looked huge.. So i put it back right away the lake is about 10 min from my house... they are super slimey lil buggers
Nice, just enough time to introduce some new parasites/diseases to the lake!
In the same way I don't believe in taking wildlife and trying to keep them as pets, I would never catch a fish and put it in my tank. I just don't like the idea of doing it, doesn't seem right. As I said before, I don't think it is legal in my country.
Yeah, I know many fish that people buy are taken from the wild, but not the ones I buy, especially not the ones I catch!
rjmtx
02-09-2008, 12:15 AM
I think there is a sort of "not in my backyard" mentality going on here. Any fish in the aquarium trade comes from stock taken from the wild. Is it less dirty if someone else has taken the fish, with high losses from initial netting to pet store, than if someone catches a fish by their own methods and takes it home? I think catching your own fish to keep is more ethical than letting someone else do the dirty work, and taking an out of sight, out of mind stance on where the fish come from.
I worked for years in an LFS, and know for a fact that from capture to customer tank, the tropical fish trade has a ridiculously high mortality rate. I think local/personal breeding and selling is much more ethical than importing fish any day, but those fish have a lineages that are the same as all wild caught pet fish.
Now I work in fish conservation, and even though we do kill many fish for research purposes, I also catch and keep all kinds of fish for aquaria at home, school , and work. Amazingly mortality is extremely low with this method. I'v even kept fish caught with electrofishing with no problem. However, I'm not going to strip a river clean of all of a certain fish, such as darters, to supply the demand of a foreign country. I think that is the true crime in this hobby. Who are we to think we deserve to strip another land's natural resources just because our dollar goes farther over there, and entice people with less money to sell off their local wildlife?
I didn't want to have any part of this thread after reading the hypocrisy and ignorance throughout it, but I just couldn't read another word of it without saying anything. And guess who else is guilty of this hypocrisy... me. Yes, I have a tank of bichirs at home. Fish that came from lands where my dollar goes very far. However, at this point I support the aquarium fish trade as little as possible. My personal stance now is to not buy improted fish anymore.
I think it's great when people put local fish in tanks for their education, enjoyment, and overall appreciation. People are also less likely to deplete a resource if it is for personal use, and not a profit (though it does happen).
The Rainbow Trout was also not native, but stocked, and my personal belief is that it doesn't belong in the wilds of Arizona.
And one more thing, before you criticize what other people put in their tanks, check what you have and the size of tanks you keep them in. Oh wait, someone else did the dirty work and caught those fish, so it must be ok.
ShadowBass
02-09-2008, 12:32 AM
Well put rjmtx.
There are much more cruel practices than putting a fish in a tank, watching it for awhile and then deciding to eat it.
Hopefully none of you eat fish or other meat from the store, because those animals were put through MUCH more stress than this particular fish.
As far as taking it from the wild, so what? The fish was caught legally, and for that matter it was stocked and not even native.
fatherof5
02-09-2008, 8:34 AM
rjmtx is correct that fish was stocked.But how many other native species have been placed in areas were they weren't there before? Fish trade is becoming high in profit and to help out another country ( i'm talking leagally now ) in my point of view is great but not to deplete the species to almost extinction (for any species ). I am a native nut and i do hold natives species aswell as non-native, for the non-natives i try to breed and sell to LFS for alot of reasons and i know i am not the only one to do this, but what can we do to really stop the trades for anything if were're buying and selling to other countrys?Money talks and there is alot of people around the world that just don't care what happens to the envoirment surrounding them just so long they have what they want to keep them happy, we all get stuff from other countrys such as gas and until the day that we can live in peace, this world is going down, and by the time it finally hits everyone, it will be to late to do anything but sit back and wait for the outcome, i just hope that we can come together and change before it will effect our kids and their kids and so forth, but who am i kidding we have all heard this before right!!
It's the tragedy of the commons. If you've never read Hardin's paper, it's worth a few minutes of your life. Here's a link http://dieoff.org/page95.htm
fatherof5
02-09-2008, 9:41 AM
Great read, thanks rjmtx
What a shame, a beautiful creature like that is now gone from the wild forever.
Did you know that most trout are hatchery raised and are mainly found in areas that they are artificially introduced into? They are a destructive species that has displace or destroyed a large number of native fish populations.
They are also Quite tasty.
By the way, do you keep fish? Are they in the wild now? Your statement seems a bit hipocritical.
bassmaster221
02-09-2008, 2:41 PM
that fish would have just died in the wild as soon as the weather got warm any way thats what happens with stocked trout!
lizardfishman
02-09-2008, 2:41 PM
haha thats cool. i wish i had a fw tank and fish that were of edible quality and not toxic like the ones in south FL lol. i wouldnt mind keepin a fish i caught in my tank for a few hours before eating it. i like seenin native fish in aquariums. it gives us a different way to observe them other than when they are on the end of our lines or swimming away from us when they see us
fatherof5
02-09-2008, 3:00 PM
Native fish rule!!
jay240G
02-09-2008, 4:57 PM
Bet it tasted awesome
zerelli
02-09-2008, 5:06 PM
Anyone seen the video of the guy cooking and eating Asian arrowana?
kydsexy
02-09-2008, 5:54 PM
haha this is quite the interesting thread :D i'll be following along :D
i cant wait to catch and fry up a coelacanth. the crowning achievement of my fishkeeping experience would be keeping coldwater fish again, but this time, much larger fish
im glad to see that you didn't keep him tho. a trout that size would need like 2000 gallons to dart around in! has anyone been to cabelas in east hartford, CT? they have an AMAZING tank (mainly cuz it's enormous, not cuz it's beautiful)
:D
mudkeeper
02-09-2008, 6:03 PM
Besides trout, think of the effect of largemouth bass, bluegills, and many other sunfish species have been introduced outside there range!!!! I am from NJ and was suprised by the low amount of native freshwater species we have! However, since many of these fish have assimulated for decades to hundreds of years, we often forget they were an introduced species.
fatherof5
02-09-2008, 6:24 PM
HEAR, HEAR:iagree:
haha thats cool. i wish i had a fw tank and fish that were of edible quality and not toxic like the ones in south FL lol. i wouldnt mind keepin a fish i caught in my tank for a few hours before eating it. i like seenin native fish in aquariums. it gives us a different way to observe them other than when they are on the end of our lines or swimming away from us when they see us
Yeah, at one point all of our fish came from wild stock... I'm sure 1,000 years ago my goldfish were nice gray carp swimming in a stream in China :D
I guess if you don't want to look at it from an aquarist point of view... think about it in terms of sportsmanship. Hunting or fishing should be done in the most respectful manner as possible, which includes a quick death, not lingering stress.
When I fish I kill them ASAP. When I hunt, I don't injure the deer and play with it for a while. It doesn't matter if the species is introduced or not, that doesn't make a difference.
I'm sure the anglers association and other true fisherman around me would love the way you guys treat your catch... sticking them in a tank for your own amusement before you eat them.
Polypterus
02-09-2008, 8:37 PM
Please place this in front of 90% of this topic
fatherof5
02-10-2008, 9:16 AM
Everyone has an opinion.
bassmaster221
02-10-2008, 9:57 AM
acer, i think u would have the worst day of your life if you went to china town then lol they keep there market fish in a bucket live till someone wants it
Polypterus
02-10-2008, 11:57 AM
Everyone has an opinion.
And it is pretty annoying how often everyone wants to express it (Even with it being stupidly misinformative) when it was never asked for....
fatherof5
02-10-2008, 2:12 PM
I agree. But what can we do about it. All we do is go back and forth and the issue never gets resolved. A couple of months will go by and the same thing will happen again.
Polypterus
02-10-2008, 2:58 PM
I agree. But what can we do about it.
Simple...
Stop giving unsolicited "advice" and "opinion" when it is not asked for or stop giving "advice" and "opinion" if one has no clue what they are talking about. I would think this to be a rather simple and easy concept to follow and understand.
And it is pretty annoying how often everyone wants to express it (Even with it being stupidly misinformative) when it was never asked for....
This is the internet... you post stuff and expect an opinion. If you don't like it, don't post anything! All actions have reactions, and you can't cry about it when people criticize you in real life, can you?
:( Waaaaah people express their opinion when they weren't formally asked Waaaah :(
:chillpill:
:ROFL:
ShadowBass
02-10-2008, 7:06 PM
This is the internet... you post stuff and expect an opinion. If you don't like it, don't post anything! All actions have reactions, and you can't cry about it when people criticize you in real life, can you?
:( Waaaaah people express their opinion when they weren't formally asked Waaaah :(
:chillpill:
:ROFL:
No, but people are much more open to giving unwanted opinions on the internet. Comparing the message board to conversations that take place in person is unrealistic.
Whatever, it happens.
What's worse is the smug attitude from other users as if they are the perfect fishkeeper or fisherman. The latter is itself ridiculous because if you're hooking a fish and dragging it to shore for your own amusement that doesn't benefit the fish at all.
The fish was caught legally, it was transported legally and the poster made the ethical decision not to keep the fish when it was determined to be way too large for his tank. He even stated that had he kept the fish he had the proper equipment to care for it.
If people want to debate the ethics of fishing, keeping those fish, eating those fish, or transporting fish why does it even belong in this thread? Also, why are those things not wrong in themselves, but only when combined? That doesn't even make sense.
Polypterus
02-10-2008, 7:23 PM
This is the internet... you post stuff and expect an opinion. If you don't like it, don't post anything! All actions have reactions, and you can't cry about it when people criticize you in real life, can you?
:( Waaaaah people express their opinion when they weren't formally asked Waaaah :(
:chillpill:
:ROFL:
Maybe in some portions of the Internet unsolicited advice / opinion (I.E. spam) is accepted but it is personal choice to do so and it seems like certain areas of the net are more accepting of such stupidity than others are. I know many sites where this thread would have ended long ago...
All actions have reactions, and you can't cry about it when people criticize you in real life, can you?
As for this statement: tell me personally to my face the same ignorant statements I have seen in this thread and I'll have you crying for mommy.. Arguing it over the Internet with a bunch of Kiddie post whores and borderline PETA members is a waste of time. Whats the point???
The fish was caught legally, it was transported legally and the poster made the ethical decision not to keep the fish when it was determined to be way too large for his tank. He even stated that had he kept the fish he had the proper equipment to care for it.
If people want to debate the ethics of fishing, keeping those fish, eating those fish, or transporting fish why does it even belong in this thread?
BINGO someone got the point ;)
Now back to your regularly scheduled spam...
BTW I have a Herbal supplement that can enlarge your gar by 12 inches in just 2 weeks !!! Your woman will love you for it and you can be more of a man having a bigger lepisosteid... PM for details.. Special this week only 50% off normal price.
mudkeeper
02-10-2008, 8:10 PM
No, but people are much more open to giving unwanted opinions on the internet. Comparing the message board to conversations that take place in person is unrealistic.
Whatever, it happens.
What's worse is the smug attitude from other users as if they are the perfect fishkeeper or fisherman. The latter is itself ridiculous because if you're hooking a fish and dragging it to shore for your own amusement that doesn't benefit the fish at all.
The fish was caught legally, it was transported legally and the poster made the ethical decision not to keep the fish when it was determined to be way too large for his tank. He even stated that had he kept the fish he had the proper equipment to care for it.
If people want to debate the ethics of fishing, keeping those fish, eating those fish, or transporting fish why does it even belong in this thread? Also, why are those things not wrong in themselves, but only when combined? That doesn't even make sense.
I agree, I was just going to post that before, but realized it will further an argument between members. Its just personal opinion, but alot of people are hypocritical in their statements and practices.
All I want to say is this forum seems have become less hospitable since i first time I used it. People are more incline to criticize first before helping. I see a lot of posters now defending a seemingly innocent post that becomes a thread of hell. Like polypterus said, seems like everyone wants to voice there opinion or how shadow stated, everyone feels they are the perfect fish keeper, and seems they often want to show it by voicing their opinion, I know we all fall to this at some point. Maybe its because its the winter, and we are stuck inside while our native fish are hibernating at the bottom of a lake.
AR_Clint
02-11-2008, 11:52 AM
I agree, I was just going to post that before, but realized it will further an argument between members. Its just personal opinion, but alot of people are hypocritical in their statements and practices.
All I want to say is this forum seems have become less hospitable since i first time I used it. People are more incline to criticize first before helping. I see a lot of posters now defending a seemingly innocent post that becomes a thread of hell. Like polypterus said, seems like everyone wants to voice there opinion or how shadow stated, everyone feels they are the perfect fish keeper, and seems they often want to show it by voicing their opinion, I know we all fall to this at some point. Maybe its because its the winter, and we are stuck inside while our native fish are hibernating at the bottom of a lake.
:iagree: Personally, I think this is the most articulate post on this matter. I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you.