View Full Version : P. schroderi - Flower Ray - Who has them?
tank125
03-21-2008, 11:38 AM
Just trying to compile a list on here of who keeps this species. Please only add your name if you are willing to communicate with others about species. I do not think that many people keep this ray, I am confused as to why, I think that it is just because of Columbia's inability to ship healthy animals and practice good shipping methods. Quite a generalization, I know, but c'mon, I do not think that there is anything mysterious about the flower.
Currently I have 4. 14" Female & 8" Female both one year captives. Both acquired at around 4" disc size! One is a much better eater, will eat anything, the smaller is very picky and will only eat earth worms and live feeder fish (I rarely if ever use them). The larger is actually quite food aggressive as well. She will bite an 11" P. castexi when food is put in the tank. She tries to keep him from eating! Naturally I put in enough food for both and I spread it around, but she will stuff her mouth and continue to pounce on him and actually try to move him away from food! He has to grab food and "run" if he wants too eat! Anyone else experience this with a ray?
Other 2 I have had for 2 weeks, 4-5" discs, 1M & 1F. Only eating black worms, but as with all rays, they are still acclimating and will likely start taking different foods over the next month. These 2 are the result of importing 8 over the last 2 months. Yes, I lost 6 of them needlessly, due to poor shipping methods.
14"
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/31Nilo31/IMG_7399.jpg
8"
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/31Nilo31/_MG_7410.jpg
New Arrivals
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/31Nilo31/_MG_7427.jpg
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nice flower rays.... i used to keep them found it to be best for them to be kept solo with only there own species... i do plan to keep them again though... ive had tiger rays out compete motoros for food but all my previous flowers were very docile and shy...
stingray94
03-21-2008, 12:14 PM
Nice rays. I hope you have a really big tank planned for flower rays and a castexi... I think a lot of people don't keep flowers because they get big and flower rays along with tigers are known to be more sensitive than other rays. Usual flowers can not be kept with motoros or other similiar rays because the other rays will eat all of the food before the flowers can. If I ever set up a pond or something similar I would get a couple flower rays.
michael
03-21-2008, 12:17 PM
me!
Kevaldo
03-21-2008, 1:24 PM
a friend has a trio, beautiful ray's
tank125
03-21-2008, 1:45 PM
The castexi is finding a new home shortly. How big do flowers get? One source of mine says 20" and another says 30".
Hi,
I have one 10" female. I won't keep it together with other ray species.
Reiner
tank125
03-21-2008, 1:47 PM
Hi,
I have one 10" female. I won't keep it together with other ray species.
Reiner
Why not? Aggressive? Not aggressive enough?
It is not aggressive enough compared with motoros or leos etc. I used to have both species which are more aggressive to get food.
andersp90
03-21-2008, 2:17 PM
I cant answer? Wtf does this mean?
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03-21-2008, 2:25 PM
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csx4236
03-21-2008, 2:51 PM
big easily over 30" disk
tank125
03-21-2008, 2:53 PM
30"+, is that from experience or in literature somewhere?
they get as big as tiger rays if not bigger..... im looking forward to a flower ray only pond in the furture....IME they need to be kept species only... but it could have just been my luck...
tank125
03-21-2008, 3:52 PM
they get as big as tiger rays if not bigger..... im looking forward to a flower ray only pond in the furture....IME they need to be kept species only... but it could have just been my luck...
where is this info from? any pics?
stingray man
03-21-2008, 4:02 PM
I want a flower
nickdog98
03-21-2008, 4:07 PM
13" Female
john C
03-21-2008, 4:13 PM
i saw a flower that looked like it was more like 36" i had purchased a motoro from him over a year ago .he had a lot of different rays in the same pond. as a show fish maybe but not to try to breed. definetly a atractive ray thogh
if he is who i am thinking he did have a very large flower ray...
andersp90
03-21-2008, 5:26 PM
Leos gets huge to you know.. ;)
turkeyboy85
03-21-2008, 5:29 PM
if only they knew how much they were worth.....
michael
03-21-2008, 5:34 PM
I owned that ray for awhile too! You may have seen it when u came over Nic and I had it with 3 tiger 20-24" and 6 otorongos 16-24" and 2 other species of castexi all in one pond. You just need to spoil flowers. i have owned 4, never lost one and always had them with other rays
if he is who i am thinking he did have a very large flower ray...
tank125
03-21-2008, 5:46 PM
there is something so funny about how the guy on the left is so casually holding a dead ray that is 18" across. It's like he holding a piece of paper or something.
I owned that ray for awhile too! You may have seen it when u came over Nic and I had it with 3 tiger 20-24" and 6 otorongos 16-24" and 2 other species of castexi all in one pond. You just need to spoil flowers. i have owned 4, never lost one and always had them with other rays
you had the massive 30" + one i saw pics of... i remember you having a flower that was huge.... i cant forget that pond or collection.... still think your crazy for selling all of it....
michael
03-21-2008, 8:39 PM
20" flower amongst large tiger rays and some others. All lived peacefully together in a 10' pond
Leos gets huge to you know.. ;)
nice pic whered u find this pic
I won't keep different species together in one tank to avoid hybrids. The flower rays have a beautiful unique pattern which has to be kept pure and clear and not to be mixed with others.
Kevaldo
03-22-2008, 7:03 AM
i hate the way they hold these stingray's when the sport fisherman catch them......
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2012/spottedstingmi5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2012/spottedstingmi5.8812932134.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=518&i=spottedstingmi5.jpg)
darcy12877
03-22-2008, 11:33 AM
it bugs me bec. why kill them, they could make a huge profit if they sold them instead of killing them. but the ban is still on
turkeyboy85
03-22-2008, 1:27 PM
it bugs me bec. why kill them, they could make a huge profit if they sold them instead of killing them. but the ban is still on
Actually i thought they are letting some out... its only like a 1,000 a year .... they all end up going over to asia cuz they were pay more for them... so for us.... its still a ban :cry:
edotero
03-22-2008, 1:58 PM
I have 2 about 18-20" m&f...
tank125
03-22-2008, 2:15 PM
I have 2 about 18-20" m&f...
Is the male developed yet? Do you find them to be wimpy eaters?
20" flower amongst large tiger rays and some others. All lived peacefully together in a 10' pond
now i remember... that was the pearls of paradise pond....
edotero
03-24-2008, 9:33 AM
Is the male developed yet? Do you find them to be wimpy eaters?
Yes the male is full developed and trying to make me a proud grandpa...
No mine are not wimpy eaters at all.
tank125
03-24-2008, 10:09 AM
Yes the male is full developed and trying to make me a proud grandpa...
No mine are not wimpy eaters at all.
First captive bred flowers in the US? World?
andersp90
03-24-2008, 12:20 PM
nice pic whered u find this pic
Got it from MichaelH. He found it in a German forum. :)
it bugs me bec. why kill them, they could make a huge profit if they sold them instead of killing them. but the ban is still on
Both pics are old. They where taken before they had any real value other than food for the locals.
delight537
03-28-2008, 3:54 PM
stunning collection, absolutly georgeous.
tank125
03-29-2008, 8:15 AM
stunning collection, absolutly georgeous.
Thank you!
Large female took Massivore today without hesitation! I think that this was the 25th time trying over the last year!
michael
03-29-2008, 9:09 AM
I have a video in the video lounge of my flower eating massivore pellets
tank125
03-29-2008, 10:15 AM
I have a video in the video lounge of my flower eating massivore pellets
Yeah, I know, it made me jealous so I persisted onward with my attempts! My Tig has been on them for a year.
tank125
03-30-2008, 7:56 PM
A couple shots of my young ones, demonstrates how different their color can be as juveniles. These guys are about 4.5-5" disc size. They eat about an ounce or more of live black worms every day each. I am trying other foods, but they have not been interested yet. All in good time!
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/31Nilo31/Stingrays/temp013.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/31Nilo31/Stingrays/temp014.jpg
stingray94
03-30-2008, 8:45 PM
Very nice. I am going to have to come down to your shop some time to get a look at all of these rays. I haven't been able to find the time and I want to get all of my tanks and everything situated but I will be coming down soon.
jdepasqu2
03-31-2008, 6:12 PM
First captive bred flowers in the US? World?
I was wondering too if they could be incorprotated into a breeding program....., I know that it would be cool to try to keep the pattern and colors of this ray but breed it down in size for the home aquarium.... I know Miles is plannin on doing this with other rays....
So if they mature at sizes that can be handled in .., lets say a 8x4'.., then they could be breed with other rays around the same size... to try to start the process....
What does everybody think..... Mike??? Anybody thought about what ti would take......
i think somebody actually needs to breed flowers first before they can be made hybrids...
African_Fever
06-10-2008, 9:53 PM
Bumping an old post for some more input.
I brought a total of 8 flowers in over 4 weeks ago, and of those only 3 remain (not all with me). One is eating very well (about 8"+) with another ray keeper, and I've managed to keep my two (4-5" and 8-9") alive this long. The smaller one is really beginning to attack chopped earthworms (and nothing else), while the larger one hasn't touched a thing since she came in. She's getting to the point of skin and bones, and it's really disheartening seeing such a beautiful ray whither away like she has.
A question to those with experience keeping flower rays: Have all yours been acclimated by someone else, or did you get them almost directly wild caught? And were they large or small when you got them? I had everything from about 4" to 8-10" come in, and size didn't seem to make much difference as to which survived.
They're such a beautiful ray, and I'd just about give up all my motoro's to have a tank full of flowers (yes, I understand how large they get and have full intentions/plans of meeting their needs), but so far at 2 out of 8 surviving captivity, the money is going to add up pretty quickly.
I've attached a pic of the larger flower when she came in over 4 weeks ago.
Rayfan
06-11-2008, 4:24 AM
in asia, these are called Sakura Rays. The season is different from black rays.
Prices are about three times cheaper than black ray.
Very difficult to breed in captivity.
tank125
01-23-2009, 8:38 PM
Revive - C'mon, who's got em?
African Fever - How are those 3?
Where did you US guy's find them?
sebarau
01-23-2009, 10:42 PM
waiting for Kamisan to jump in.. he just imported 20pcs flower direct from colombia.. ..no DOA.. and now still in Q tank....looks healthy only one or two on the skinny side. these will then join his tigers 12 of them in his pond.. hehe
African_Fever
01-23-2009, 11:30 PM
I imported mine myself directly from Colombia; the three that survived the first few weeks are still alive and doing excellent. I still have two, and the third has since changed hands to another MFK member. Still by far my favourite rays, and I'll hopefully be bringing in some more in the next month or so. I had no DOA either; it was just getting the rays to eat that seemed to be the largest problem with those who lost them (I was lucky and the two that I kept both survived).
I imported mine myself directly from Colombia; the three that survived the first few weeks are still alive and doing excellent. I still have two, and the third has since changed hands to another MFK member. Still by far my favourite rays, and I'll hopefully be bringing in some more in the next month or so. I had no DOA either; it was just getting the rays to eat that seemed to be the largest problem with those who lost them (I was lucky and the two that I kept both survived).
That's real cool man! :)
Kamisan
01-24-2009, 3:59 AM
waiting for Kamisan to jump in.. he just imported 20pcs flower direct from colombia.. ..no DOA.. and now still in Q tank....looks healthy only one or two on the skinny side. these will then join his tigers 12 of them in his pond.. hehe
Correction on the numbers Bro, ordered 20 pcs but only managed to get 15 pcs Shroederi and one piece Dumerilli (wrongly identified as Shroederi). Maybe because of my specification (14 - 16 cm only) had caused some difficulties for them to fulfill the numbers.
Generally I'm satisfied with the rays' size, health and the way they were individually packed (4 bags in a box) but for that Dumerilli... haizz
Next morning (day 1), some of them start taking chopped earthworms / live shrimps. On day 2 - 4, I just leave some live shrimps and small guppies for them. Today (day 5) I threw some Milli Worms (MW) and all of them rushed for it.
I'm a happy man.
tank125
01-24-2009, 5:38 AM
[quote=Kamisan;2686294;]Correction on the numbers Bro, ordered 20 pcs but only managed to get 15 pcs Shroederi and one piece Dumerilli (wrongly identified as Shroederi). Maybe because of my specification (14 - 16 cm only) had caused some difficulties for them to fulfill the numbers.
Generally I'm satisfied with the rays' size, health and the way they were individually packed (4 bags in a box) but for that Dumerilli... haizz
Next morning (day 1), some of them start taking chopped earthworms / live shrimps. On day 2 - 4, I just leave some live shrimps and small guppies for them. Today (day 5) I threw some Milli Worms (MW) and all of them rushed for it.
Great news!
Can you post a pic of what a milli worm is?
sebarau
01-24-2009, 9:32 AM
Correction on the numbers Bro, ordered 20 pcs but only managed to get 15 pcs Shroederi and one piece Dumerilli (wrongly identified as Shroederi). Maybe because of my specification (14 - 16 cm only) had caused some difficulties for them to fulfill the numbers.
Generally I'm satisfied with the rays' size, health and the way they were individually packed (4 bags in a box) but for that Dumerilli... haizz
Next morning (day 1), some of them start taking chopped earthworms / live shrimps. On day 2 - 4, I just leave some live shrimps and small guppies for them. Today (day 5) I threw some Milli Worms (MW) and all of them rushed for it.
I'm a happy man.
waa ..this is very good news indeed.. hopefully all 15 will last more that 6 months...
tank,
for mealworm info.. http://www.hcmealworm.com/
tank125
01-24-2009, 10:23 AM
waa ..this is very good news indeed.. hopefully all 15 will last more that 6 months...
tank,
for mealworm info.. http://www.hcmealworm.com/
Gotcha, wasn't sure if you meant what we call meal worms or superworms.
Kamisan
01-24-2009, 11:15 AM
so some pics please:)
Hi zix
Below are some pics of the newly arrived Shroederis.
Pic #1 - They are in 2 tiers Q tanks.
Pic #2 - Some of the rays.
Pic #3 - Really young ray, still transparent.
Kamisan
01-24-2009, 11:19 AM
Great news!
Can you post a pic of what a milli worm is?
Hi tank125
Thanks.
Not really sure about the name though, mil. worms / meal worms (whose meal?) :D
Thanks to Bro sebarau for the link.
Kamisan
01-24-2009, 11:24 AM
waa ..this is very good news indeed.. hopefully all 15 will last more that 6 months...
tank,
for mealworm info.. http://www.hcmealworm.com/
:D hehe... I better show some good results and no more red marks on my report card.
michael
01-24-2009, 11:28 AM
awesoem flowers. great tails on those guys
Kamisan
01-24-2009, 11:44 AM
awesoem flowers. great tails on those guys
Thanks michael :)
skynoch
01-31-2009, 2:31 AM
Jumping in a little late. It is currently in with my rays infected with a bacterial problem so I thought I would post before it got sick.
aquaman45
01-31-2009, 3:45 AM
Thats an absolute Gem Skynoch,as good a Flower as ive ever seen,it looks in the best of health now thats for sure....good luck with it.
skynoch
01-31-2009, 4:06 AM
Thats an absolute Gem Skynoch,as good a Flower as ive ever seen,it looks in the best of health now thats for sure....good luck with it.
Thanks. It's a trooper it shows no sign of disease while the other 6 rays do. Out of 19 rays it may be my most aggressive.
Update of today on my three flowers. First pic shows my oldest female which is now 11.5" and the light coloured smaller female of 8". The darker ray is the same as in my post on the first page on this thread.
Second pic shows my 8" male. Third pic shows my second female again.The forth pics shows my 11" dark coloured female again.
In two week I will get my fourth one. :nilly:It is a female on 5.5" with a very nice flower pattern.
tank125
01-31-2009, 8:08 AM
Nice Rays!
I noticed through the pics that mine are not the only ones with the white disc edge. I think the disc is just so thin at the edge that it looses color? IDK? I am just glad that it is not only mine that look that way.
Gumby79
01-31-2009, 12:19 PM
Heres my girl.
tony05
02-01-2009, 9:59 PM
Hi zix
Below are some pics of the newly arrived Shroederis.
Pic #1 - They are in 2 tiers Q tanks.
Pic #2 - Some of the rays.
Pic #3 - Really young ray, still transparent.
Wow ...nice catch ...keep us update ... I love the flower ray ...
inkid
02-01-2009, 10:48 PM
Hi zix
Below are some pics of the newly arrived Shroederis.
Pic #1 - They are in 2 tiers Q tanks.
Pic #2 - Some of the rays.
Pic #3 - Really young ray, still transparent.
nice collection!
sorry, newbie question...
tiger? = flower ray?
nice collection!
sorry, newbie question...
tiger? = flower ray?
P. schroederi = flower ray
P. menchacai = tiger ray
tank125
02-07-2009, 6:45 AM
Largest = female flower
Mid size = female flower
small, very light = male flower
dark one is a MM female
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