PIC of BABY ALLIGATOR GAR

[svang55]

I saw 2 babies about 3" each at the lfs and wasn't sure what kind they were and like an idiot I didn't take any pics.

does anyone have pictures of baby gator gars???? I've seen baby spotted and baby marbled and they're long and skinny right?? But these two I saw had bigger heads and more girth to them.

Any pics anyone?? thanks in advance!

[Bsixxx]

store they were at?
PM me


but most likely florida/spotted gars...

[KaraJo]

I saw 2 babies about 3" each at the lfs and wasn't sure what kind they were and like an idiot I didn't take any pics.

does anyone have pictures of baby gator gars???? I've seen baby spotted and baby marbled and they're long and skinny right?? But these two I saw had bigger heads and more girth to them.

Any pics anyone?? thanks in advance!

gar are illegal in Cali...but they do show up at LFS's once in a while. The so called "marbled gar" isnt a true gar at all, and these gar you saw may not be true gar either. Its hard to say if you don't have any pics. primitivefishes.com has pictures of every species of gar so check them out and see if it looked like any of them.

[svang55]

i've seen baby spotted gars,............ bought one myself but these 2 look different, their body's werent as slim and snouts were broader. the head were bigger for it's body.

unlike my baby spotted, it had a small head, slim beak, long skinny body. it got more girth after it started eating and got larger.

[svang55]

they don't look like false gars dude,.............. even the "marbled gar" that were sold at this one place were true gars. false gars are like the needle fish, rocket and hujetas gars and such but not these guys.

but thanks for the website, i'll check it out.

[xander]

they don't look like false gars dude,.............. even the "marbled gar" that were sold at this one place were true gars. false gars are like the needle fish, rocket and hujetas gars and such but not these guys.

but thanks for the website, i'll check it out.

you mean dudette, unless jordan's on his other's acc again:)

[KaraJo]

they don't look like false gars dude,.............. even the "marbled gar" that were sold at this one place were true gars. false gars are like the needle fish, rocket and hujetas gars and such but not these guys.

but thanks for the website, i'll check it out.


some people just don't know the difference...just making sure you knew what you were looking for. If the snout is wider and its a true gar, it could be a gator. Hard to say without pics. any chance you could go back and get some pics? BTW...im not a "dude"

[KaraJo]

you mean dudette, unless jordan's on his other's acc again:)

lol nope its me...def not a dude

[svang55]

I'm sorry, couldn't tell if you were a dudette. Didn't mean to offend you if I did. They should have male and female signs next to the names or something you know? Kind of like mens and womens restroom signs. Usually if a girl on mfk don't have a name like "girlpower951" or "rainbowpony555" or something like that I assume it's a dude.

anyways, I guess I can try and go back,............ I'm kicking myself for not taking pics. it's kind of a far drive. But until then, if anyone has pics,............ please post them.

[svang55]

are ALL true gars illegal in california?? and why?? Don't have much info or knowledge about gars so just wondering.

[Sti]

I think the picture that aquascape has is a pretty young alli gar.

[KaraJo]

are ALL true gars illegal in california?? and why?? Don't have much info or knowledge about gars so just wondering.

yes, all true gar are illegal in Cali...basically, they don't want people to get them, realize they cant house them or get tired of them, and release them into the waterways since they arent native to that area.

and I just figured the fact that my name was Kara would be a sign that I'm not a guy....no big deal though.

[svang55]

I think the picture that aquascape has is a pretty young alli gar.

those pics are all too big, the ones i saw are like 2.5 - 3"

yes, all true gar are illegal in Cali...basically, they don't want people to get them, realize they cant house them or get tired of them, and release them into the waterways since they arent native to that area.

and I just figured the fact that my name was Kara would be a sign that I'm not a guy....no big deal though.

for some reason the name just didn't jump out at me, depending on what your nationality is, your name can seem like a guys name, but ok, now i know, thanks for the info mam,......... lol jk

[KaraJo]

on primitivefish, they have a picture of a 7" one...a bit bigger than the ones you saw, but I would think they should look similar in proportions and markings...From that I would think you would have a pretty good idea if its a gator or not.

[ethnics]

all true gars are illegal. but lots of the pet stores carry them regardless to what we say on here. i wont mention any, but if u drive around you'll eventually find some.

i got my true gator gar here in san diego at an lfs, the guy swore on his life it was no longer illegal, i said whatever and paid for it. but i know lol

true gator gars, have broader snouts and heads then spotted/shortnose/floridas. so most likely it was a true gator

[svang55]

on primitivefish, they have a picture of a 7" one...a bit bigger than the ones you saw, but I would think they should look similar in proportions and markings...From that I would think you would have a pretty good idea if its a gator or not.

yea I'd say it looks kind of like that one but it's head wasn't proportion to it's body.

[svang55]

all true gars are illegal. but lots of the pet stores carry them regardless to what we say on here. i wont mention any, but if u drive around you'll eventually find some.

i got my true gator gar here in san diego at an lfs, the guy swore on his life it was no longer illegal, i said whatever and paid for it. but i know lol

true gator gars, have broader snouts and heads then spotted/shortnose/floridas. so most likely it was a true gator

I agree, I've seen half a dozen stores that has true gars for sale. Some will even have red belly pirhanas right out in the open,.............. these guys got balls,..........

[demjor19]

if its a gator gar it would be painfully obvious...especially if you have already owned a florida/spotted gar.

[Polypterus]

if its a gator gar it would be painfully obvious...especially if you have already owned a florida/spotted gar.

Kind of similar to what I was going to say.... These fish are not difficult to ID if you do a 20 second google Image search...

But for the hell of it these are fish in the range your talking about:

http://aquaticpredators.com/forums/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=7917
Copyright: Isreal Iracheta (TotheGars)

Coloration is variable so do not expect all of them to look exactly like this look at the Morphologic characteristics of the fish....

[kntrygrl4lyfe]

Is the ones Fish Room Plus Real?

[svang55]

Kind of similar to what I was going to say.... These fish are not difficult to ID if you do a 20 second google Image search...

But for the hell of it these are fish in the range your talking about:

http://aquaticpredators.com/forums/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=7917
Copyright: Isreal Iracheta (TotheGars)

Coloration is variable so do not expect all of them to look exactly like this look at the Morphologic characteristics of the fish....

The image can't be viewed. I'm saying that I have 2 spotted gars (THESE ARE SPOTTED GARS RIGHT?? COMFIRM PLEASE). And I'm also saying that the one i saw looks different at 3". I'm already almost sure it's a gator but just wanted confirmation with a picture that's all.

Here's a couple pics of my spotteds, one is about 10" and one is about 7". When the 7" was about 3.5" it looked different from the supposed "gator" gar I just saw at the lfs

[KaraJo]

yes, those are both spotted/florida gar

[demjor19]

yes they are for sure florida/spotted gar.

get a picture and we will confirm it...otherwise we could show you pics all day and not know what it really is.

anyway...here is a link to a pretty small one from primitivefishes.com (hope you don't mind solomon).
http://www.primitivefishes.com/garabouttoeat.jpg

get a pic of the one you saw if you want a possitive id though.

[svang55]

yes they are for sure florida/spotted gar.

get a picture and we will confirm it...otherwise we could show you pics all day and not know what it really is.

anyway...here is a link to a pretty small one from primitivefishes.com (hope you don't mind solomon).
http://www.primitivefishes.com/garabouttoeat.jpg

get a pic of the one you saw if you want a possitive id though.

yea, i gotta go get a pic, planning to go back to the lfs monday. was hoping someone one here would have a baby pic but it's cool. the head looks like the head of the picture you provided. again, i'm sure the baby I saw is a gator, just want to get a pic to comfirm it on here

[Polypterus]

yea, i gotta go get a pic, planning to go back to the lfs monday. was hoping someone one here would have a baby pic but it's cool. the head looks like the head of the picture you provided. again, i'm sure the baby I saw is a gator, just want to get a pic to comfirm it on here

Well I'm not sure why the pic I posted is not showing (even though it is showing on My computer.... Whatever).... but you can find the very same one here.. http://aquaticpredators.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=18977 post 23 page 3....

[E_americanus]

yes they are for sure florida/spotted gar.

get a picture and we will confirm it...otherwise we could show you pics all day and not know what it really is.

anyway...here is a link to a pretty small one from primitivefishes.com (hope you don't mind solomon).
http://www.primitivefishes.com/garabouttoeat.jpg

get a pic of the one you saw if you want a possitive id though.

no problem jordan, feel free to post links/cited pics from the site; it's there to help in situations like these.

as for "baby" gator gars, you'll rarely see them smaller than the individuals that are pictured on the primitivefishes.com site (at least the juvenile pics that are up there that i had sent you) or the pics polypterus has posted here. they really look the same for the most part whether they are 3" long or 5" long at that stage.

if the fish doesn't look like what we've referenced, then it's not a gator gar. personally, i'd be surprised (not saying its out of the question) if gators that smaller were popping up, as i have never seen a 3" gator at any store, they were always about 5" min--
--solomon

[rednhot]

SVANG55 nice pics but be careful
my dog characin(Acestrorhynchus falcatus) was in with my spotted gar (Lepisosteus oculatus) just like yours are. when the gar out grew the dog characin by meerly 2 inches it became lunch, and this was the day before it was to be picked up by a prospective buyer. the falcatus was 7 inches long.
you could still clearly see the outline of the meal in the gars stomach...i wanted to cry!:cry:

---Art

[xander]

if you had read up a bit on gars or asked anyone here you would have known it would be a bad idea:(

[demjor19]

SVANG55 nice pics but be careful
my dog characin(Acestrorhynchus falcatus) was in with my spotted gar (Lepisosteus oculatus) just like yours are. when the gar out grew the dog characin by meerly 2 inches it became lunch, and this was the day before it was to be picked up by a prospective buyer. the falcatus was 7 inches long.
you could still clearly see the outline of the meal in the gars stomach...i wanted to cry!:cry:

---Art

mine did this to an 8 or 9 inch spotted pike characin...:grinno: not a good mix. sadly enough i actually liked that fish. noob mistake. :wall:

[svang55]

no problem jordan, feel free to post links/cited pics from the site; it's there to help in situations like these.

as for "baby" gator gars, you'll rarely see them smaller than the individuals that are pictured on the primitivefishes.com site (at least the juvenile pics that are up there that i had sent you) or the pics polypterus has posted here. they really look the same for the most part whether they are 3" long or 5" long at that stage.

if the fish doesn't look like what we've referenced, then it's not a gator gar. personally, i'd be surprised (not saying its out of the question) if gators that smaller were popping up, as i have never seen a 3" gator at any store, they were always about 5" min--
--solomon

In socal, 3" gator gar is not totally unusual. In socal, I've come to learn that nothing is unusual,............ illegal or not,............ just making a statement. That's just how it is down here,............ There's some kind of gar in every other store. Every 2-3 stores you find will have red belly pirhanas,............ anyways, i've said too much already,.........

[Weylin]

Its most prob a gator..

I recenty saw some 2-3" gators here... They were for arond 8-10$ each...

[E_americanus]

In socal, 3" gator gar is not totally unusual. In socal, I've come to learn that nothing is unusual,............ illegal or not,............ just making a statement. That's just how it is down here,............ There's some kind of gar in every other store. Every 2-3 stores you find will have red belly pirhanas,............ anyways, i've said too much already,.........

i don't doubt that there are small gars, out there, i just doubt they are actually 3"...i have to judge fish sizes for part of my job, and truth is most people will very often underestimate the length of a very young gar than overestimate, and then tend to overestimate once the fish gets bigger. even the very tiny Cubans we got last fall were about 4" long, but slimmer than a pencil.

it's definitely not impossible, and since you guys are on major ports to overseas, it's possible they get them in to places smaller there, and then by the time they get to us in the midwest they are larger...but if you do get the chance to take a picture, please post it as i'd like to see the 3" gator. although, if you've waited even a week, the fish is likely already 4"+

furthermore, this is dealing with US gars, gars overseas seem to show up much smaller.--
--solomon

[svang55]

i don't doubt that there are small gars, out there, i just doubt they are actually 3"...i have to judge fish sizes for part of my job, and truth is most people will very often underestimate the length of a very young gar than overestimate, and then tend to overestimate once the fish gets bigger. even the very tiny Cubans we got last fall were about 4" long, but slimmer than a pencil.

it's definitely not impossible, and since you guys are on major ports to overseas, it's possible they get them in to places smaller there, and then by the time they get to us in the midwest they are larger...but if you do get the chance to take a picture, please post it as i'd like to see the 3" gator. although, if you've waited even a week, the fish is likely already 4"+

furthermore, this is dealing with US gars, gars overseas seem to show up much smaller.--
--solomon

:iagree:

my buddy is heading out there this saturday so he'll take a pic and send to me so I'll be able to post it. Hopefully it didn't grow much because I do want everyone to see it.

Did I add that I remember the head being about 1/3 the length of the body?? And my spotted/florida's head was 1/4 the lenth of it's body.

[E_americanus]

:iagree:

my buddy is heading out there this saturday so he'll take a pic and send to me so I'll be able to post it. Hopefully it didn't grow much because I do want everyone to see it.

Did I add that I remember the head being about 1/3 the length of the body?? And my spotted/florida's head was 1/4 the lenth of it's body.

i guess we can wait until we see pics for sure, but the only gar that comes close to having a head 1/3 the length of the body at that size would be a longnose gar, and those of course look very different from gators.

in ID'ing a gator from the others, i would use the very short snout (therefore less proportion of the whole body) and broad snout as diagnostics. it's sounding more and more like these are juvenile shortnose or just displaying the highly variable pattern of Florida/spotted gars--
--solomon

[Weylin]

I should have got the pics of the really tiny one's i saw here... 3"..

[KaraJo]

i guess we can wait until we see pics for sure, but the only gar that comes close to having a head 1/3 the length of the body at that size would be a longnose gar, and those of course look very different from gators.

in ID'ing a gator from the others, i would use the very short snout (therefore less proportion of the whole body) and broad snout as diagnostics. it's sounding more and more like these are juvenile shortnose or just displaying the highly variable pattern of Florida/spotted gars--
--solomon


Like said before, if it were a gator, you would most likely know right away even from looking at pictures of gator gar that are 7"+. Florida and Shortnose look different when they are juvenile than when they are like 10" or so. So it could be those as well as Solomon said. With all that has been said thus far, I too believe a picture is your only hope in getting help here with IDing it. If it is a gator, it could have likely grown a bit since you saw it but not much.

[svang55]

yea, i'm gonna put up the pic as soon as I get it,............ will up date you guys. thanks for everyone's input, i learned a lot just by this thread,............

[demjor19]

i'm starting to think it's a possible longnose as well. they have very short noses at this small of a size and i tend to see more small longnoses than any other gar species in the hobby.

[svang55]

i'm starting to think it's a possible longnose as well. they have very short noses at this small of a size and i tend to see more small longnoses than any other gar species in the hobby.

man, you all got me thinking about this all week. It's head looks like the head of the one in the pic you provided.

we'll see when i get that pic

[demjor19]

man, you all got me thinking about this all week. It's head looks like the head of the one in the pic you provided.

we'll see when i get that pic

then it could very well be a gator gar...that's a pretty unmistakeable head. :D

[Polypterus]

i'm starting to think it's a possible longnose as well. they have very short noses at this small of a size and i tend to see more small longnoses than any other gar species in the hobby.

At 3 inches a longnosed is easily identified. There snout is pretty much fully formed, is narrow and long, and close to adult proportions. The body shape is also distinctly different.. Really the only species difficult at this size are the Octulaus, Platyrhincus and Platostomus. All three of these are very similar and can be challenging to tell apart.

[demjor19]

At 3 inches a longnosed is easily identified. There snout is pretty much fully formed, is narrow and long, and close to adult proportions. The body shape is also distinctly different.. Really the only species difficult at this size are the Octulaus, Platyrhincus and Platostomus. All three of these are very similar and can be challenging to tell apart.

at 3 inches? i am doubting that the average person would be able to id a
3" gar that easily.

[Polypterus]

at 3 inches? i am doubting that the average person would be able to id a
3" gar that easily.

Average person seems to not be able to ID a characin from Lepisosteid but with just a bit of research one can ID gars to genus and in some cases species at 3 inches.. Info is out there.

Really long nosed are very obvious and you can easily separate out Oculatus / Platyrhincus and platostomus as a group from any of the Atractosteus at this size...

Top photo L. osseus 2 inches
Bottom 3 inches..

[demjor19]

Average person seems to not be able to ID a characin from Lepisosteid but with just a bit of research one can ID gars to genus and in some cases species at 3 inches.. Info is out there.

Really long nosed are very obvious and you can easily separate out Oculatus / Platyrhincus and platostomus as a group from any of the Atractosteus at this size...

Top photo L. osseus 2 inches
Bottom 3 inches..

great pics! now that i can actually see a 2-3 longnose it is pretty obvious. just out of curiosity do you have any pics of similar sized fish for the remaining 3 lepisosteus (Oculatus/Platyrhincus, and platostomus)? i do agree though...L. osseus at this size does seem pretty obvious.

[Polypterus]

great pics! now that i can actually see a 2-3 longnose it is pretty obvious. just out of curiosity do you have any pics of similar sized fish for the remaining 3 lepisosteus (Oculatus/Platyrhincus, and platostomus)? i do agree though...L. osseus at this size does seem pretty obvious.

You know I have been meaning to get Oculatus / Platyrhincus pics at this size for a long time but just never have yet.. I'll have to make a point out of doing that. Platostomus are very similar. The Major difference in most cases is the lateral band is deeper and more distinct in Oculatus / Platyrhincus.

Pic is of a 3 1/2 inch Platostomus

[Polypterus]

At this size however.... All hope is lost at an ID without knowing the fish from the locality .. (In this case I know it is a Longnosed as it is one of my study fish and populations) I have had platostomus, Oculatus and platyrhincus of the same size and they all look pretty much the same.

[demjor19]

yep...now i can def. see the difference between the short and longnose. the longnose in the last pic...how big is that? maybe 3/4 to 1 inch? that's really cool!

[fishluvr510]

Those are cool!I want to raise one of those fishes but unable to find them in the bay area.

[rednhot]

in your first pic of L. osseus 2 inches what is that in the tank around him...daphnia or brine shrimp? is that what they eat at that size? insect larva, other fish fry,...etc?

the long nose pic that is 3/4 to an inch, whats the story behind that pic...is that your hand?

i'd like to know if you would mind saying a few things about gars at that size that the average gar keeper might not know about. nothing specific or drawn out, just a few quickies if there is any.
---Art

[demjor19]

in your first pic of L. osseus 2 inches what is that in the tank around him...daphnia or brine shrimp? is that what they eat at that size? insect larva, other fish fry,...etc?

the long nose pic that is 3/4 to an inch, whats the story behind that pic...is that your hand?

i'd like to know if you would mind saying a few things about gars at that size that the average gar keeper might not know about. nothing specific or drawn out, just a few quickies if there is any.
---Art

i think cannibalism is a big issue when keeping more than one gar at that size.

[Polypterus]

i think cannibalism is a big issue when keeping more than one gar at that size.

That is a bit of a problem. If there is any size disparity they have no issue eating their siblings. Raising these fish from a very small size requires surrounding them with food for the first few weeks until you can train them off to a frozen / prepared diet.

how big is that? maybe 3/4 to 1 inch?
The iddy bitty dinky Longnosed is just a bit under 1 inch..

[KaraJo]

That is a bit of a problem. If there is any size disparity they have no issue eating their siblings. Raising these fish from a very small size requires surrounding them with food for the first few weeks until you can train them off to a frozen / prepared diet.


The iddy bitty dinky Longnosed is just a bit under 1 inch..


Just curious about something...When I was younger, I netted what appeared to be either gar, pike, or muskie. I cannot remember exactly what they looked like because I was much younger, but it was the end of June and there were about 7 of them. It was about 3' off of a rocky bank in about 2'-3' of water up in NY. The lake there has longnose gar (big longnose gar) but also pike and muskie. Does this sound like a place the gar fry could be? I am sure its going to be hard to say. I only saw them that one year but I will likely be back there this June again. At the time, I had no clue as to how to house them so I let them go.

[E_americanus]

Just curious about something...When I was younger, I netted what appeared to be either gar, pike, or muskie. I cannot remember exactly what they looked like because I was much younger, but it was the end of June and there were about 7 of them. It was about 3' off of a rocky bank in about 2'-3' of water up in NY. The lake there has longnose gar (big longnose gar) but also pike and muskie. Does this sound like a place the gar fry could be? I am sure its going to be hard to say. I only saw them that one year but I will likely be back there this June again. At the time, I had no clue as to how to house them so I let them go.

could be any of those three species, although more likely gar or pike since muskie will usually lay their eggs on sandy substrate. the fry, early one, look very similar to each other as well--
--solomon

[KaraJo]

could be any of those three species, although more likely gar or pike since muskie will usually lay their eggs on sandy substrate. the fry, early one, look very similar to each other as well--
--solomon

cool, thanks. Honestly if I had to guess, I would say they were pike since I dont remember such a distinct pattern on them and they seemed more neutral in color like a tannish if I remember correctly. They were about 1" long also...I just wasnt sure if all of those species had thier young at that same time or not.

[E_americanus]

in terms of timing, it really depends on the population to an extent, it would be perfectly normal to find YOY gars at that time, and also likely to find pike. i know richard has found both at the same time in the same habitats in the detroit river drainage as well--
--solomon

[svang55]

thanks for the pics guys,............. great information. The one I saw wasnt' skinny like that but I'll be posting a pic tomorrow so,........... can't wait.

[Jakob]

Its most prob a gator..

I recenty saw some 2-3" gators here... They were for arond 8-10$ each...
wow thats amazingly low i just bought a florida/spotted for 85 $:irked:

[xander]

yup i heard prices there and in austrilia are sky high:)

[svang55]

Here are the bad pics I took this past Saturday. The bigger one was sold already. Here are 2 pics of the smaller one.

Looks like it's a Gator alright. Right guys???

Also check out my thread about another odd ball fish I need an ID on. Will be in "other monster fish" forum. Go check it out.

[demjor19]

it's a gator gar!

[svang55]

was thinking about getting it but all this going back and forth about it being illegal got to my conscience.

[E_americanus]

yup, definitely a gator gar, and it's the smallest one i have seen at an LFS (definitely smaller than what i have seen in person). i'd still say that fish is over 3" if you took it out and measured it though...fish sizes in water (based on estimation) and actual measurement are deceiving.

either way, if you are just getting into gars i would skip a gator by a long shot...go with a Florida/spotted and you'll be much better off--
--solomon

[gollum]

yup i heard prices there and in austrilia are sky high:)

yup i was lucky to get a longnose gar for $250.. ..usually $500 :WHOA:

we did have gators avail at one stage they were around $800 plus....now they're very rare and ppl want sky high prices ($3500 plus)
I I.D. the gator by it's easily visible TWO rows of teeth they have! that's the easiest way to I.D a gator ,right?

[Polypterus]

yup i was lucky to get a longnose gar for $250.. ..usually $500 :WHOA:

we did have gators avail at one stage they were around $800 plus....now they're very rare and ppl want sky high prices ($3500 plus)
I I.D. the gator by it's easily visible TWO rows of teeth they have! that's the easiest way to I.D a gator ,right?

Problem with going by the two rows is that shortnosed, spotteds and Flordia have them too when small, And while this is a trait to ID an Atractosteus genus gar it does not specifically say it is a gator. Cubans, Croc hybrids and Tropicals have two prominate rows as well.

[svang55]

yup i was lucky to get a longnose gar for $250.. ..usually $500 :WHOA:

we did have gators avail at one stage they were around $800 plus....now they're very rare and ppl want sky high prices ($3500 plus)
I I.D. the gator by it's easily visible TWO rows of teeth they have! that's the easiest way to I.D a gator ,right?

ouch,........ that's nuts for us in the US to see them on sale for like $20-$50 for babies/juvies and hear what they go for over there in the land down unda

[zerojquan85]

I had no idea gar were illegal in cali..

I not into that fish.. cuz i got arowanas that are too small compare to them..

but they do look like awesome ancient fish.. very much like what u would see from a children dinosaur book about ancient fish....

I found these at my LFS... I didnt know they were illegal... they've been there since forever.. no one can afford them...

[Johny]

nice!

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

Why was this old of a thread brought up?
Nice though

[marscortes]

those are nice pics zero. 3 of my lfs carries them. i bout 1 a while back.

[rory_068]

Originally Posted by xander13 http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/ms_icons/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1683902#post1683902)
yup i heard prices there and in austrilia are sky high:)
yup i was lucky to get a longnose gar for $250.. ..usually $500 :WHOA:

we did have gators avail at one stage they were around $800 plus....now they're very rare and ppl want sky high prices ($3500 plus)
I I.D. the gator by it's easily visible TWO rows of teeth they have! that's the easiest way to I.D a gator ,right?


hay mate please tell wer you can find longnose gars in ause
i thought the only species you can get are ali and spotted

imo its easy to find gators
i got offerd sum 8'' true gators for $370 and 4''-5'' for $280
at the moment thiers hundreds around with over 400 umm ''imported'' to aus in the last 3 years
spotteds deman a higher price over hier because they are more suited to aquriums
i sold my old 18'' 1 for $600 in less then 1 hour of it being up for sale
5'' 1s usualy cost around $350-$450 sumtimes more