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hi everyone.
can you all give me some information related to major physical differences between endli and congicus??? untill now, i still can't differentiate the congi and endli because its looks like same each other. acctually i just bought 2 endli, about 6inch. but i bought these endlis not from the same shop. in tank, i saw these endli have a bit diffrences especially at their head, where the 1st endli have a big and flat head and the second endli have a small head, but both of them have a pretty nice stripe on their body. later i will post a picture. i think endli that have a big head maybe a congicus.can you all help me?????:nilly:
eman b115
08-11-2008, 8:50 PM
hi everyone.
can you all give me some information related to major physical differences between endli and congicus??? untill now, i still can't differentiate the congi and endli because its looks like same each other. acctually i just bought 2 endli, about 6inch. but i bought these endlis not from the same shop. in tank, i saw these endli have a bit diffrences especially at their head, where the 1st endli have a big and flat head and the second endli have a small head, but both of them have a pretty nice stripe on their body. later i will post a picture. i think endli that have a big head maybe a congicus.can you all help me?????:nilly:
they really look nothing alike.......here
congicus
237699
endlie
237700
not that difficult when you have seen both sp.
AHMAD
08-11-2008, 10:22 PM
but how about if the black stripe of the endli just fades and sure it will look like congicus rite?? and if the black stripe of the congi just looks bright, it also will look like endli. so, is there any diffrences between these except the stripes??
jerrytsk
08-12-2008, 11:50 AM
hi,abang.im jerry come from kuala lumpur.whr a u from?i got 30 polypterus ady.im very interesting abt ur P.E.C.Can contact me?012-326 5585,thx.
rfalvey89
08-14-2008, 1:52 PM
WHERE CAN SOMEONE GET ENDLI. ENDLI. ? IN THE U.S.
Tigriuns™
08-14-2008, 1:58 PM
hi everyone.
can you all give me some information related to major physical differences between endli and congicus??? untill now, i still can't differentiate the congi and endli because its looks like same each other. acctually i just bought 2 endli, about 6inch. but i bought these endlis not from the same shop. in tank, i saw these endli have a bit diffrences especially at their head, where the 1st endli have a big and flat head and the second endli have a small head, but both of them have a pretty nice stripe on their body. later i will post a picture. i think endli that have a big head maybe a congicus.can you all help me?????:nilly:
well you are not alone... I just got a congicus for half price cos the LFS owner thinks is normal faded endi haha....
come SG to buy back should be easy to bring back:D
Infblue
08-14-2008, 6:00 PM
but how about if the black stripe of the endli just fades and sure it will look like congicus rite?? and if the black stripe of the congi just looks bright, it also will look like endli. so, is there any diffrences between these except the stripes??
well you are not alone... I just got a congicus for half price cos the LFS owner thinks is normal faded endi haha....
come SG to buy back should be easy to bring back:D
the situation with captive bred specimens is different and more complicated since there's the possibility of hybrid, and the farms don't do a good job telling people what the true ID of those fish are.
However, with pure bred fish, P. endli endli and P. endli congicus are quite different, and it goes beyond how dark/faded the stripes are. An endli with faded stripes still wouldn't look like a congicus, and same thing for a congicus with dark stripes.
can u all tell me the diffrences between captive bred and pure bred fish?? and why usually captive bred produce 'not exactly same' with pure bred fish???
Tigriuns™
08-14-2008, 9:32 PM
the situation with captive bred specimens is different and more complicated since there's the possibility of hybrid, and the farms don't do a good job telling people what the true ID of those fish are.
However, with pure bred fish, P. endli endli and P. endli congicus are quite different, and it goes beyond how dark/faded the stripes are. An endli with faded stripes still wouldn't look like a congicus, and same thing for a congicus with dark stripes.
Ya bro, I seen some big size endi with faded colour...from a far look like congicus but look closer it is endi...the thickness of the faded striped is still there...then if i am not wrong the lip seem bigger also the head shape is abit different...flatter...what else did i miss out?
can u all tell me the diffrences between captive bred and pure bred fish?? and why usually captive bred produce 'not exactly same' with pure bred fish???
pure bred mean wild from the river caught or congicus breed with only congicus
captive bred eg may be bred with congicus also or with endi...so small congicus abit hard to tell if got mix blood....so abit hard to tell and LFS dun mean to blur but maybe supplier also not so sure...
here mine i got recently.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162282
and this is Bro CDM mix bred...
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148600
Just get it cos mix or dun mix they are very interesting and beautiful to keep.
Infblue
08-15-2008, 4:40 PM
can u all tell me the diffrences between captive bred and pure bred fish?? and why usually captive bred produce 'not exactly same' with pure bred fish???
pure bred can be either wild caught or captive bred. so for a congicus, if both the parents are congicus, it'll be pure bred. So what i meant was pure bred = not hybrid.
It's just that for captive bred bichirs, it's somewhat hard to tell with the recent exports, since Indonesia has been breeding some hybrids apparently, but these fish aren't sold as hybrid, and the farms don't make it clear what are the species for the parents. So it's a lot of educated guess on the part of the hobbyists, e.g. the fish that CDM has we suspect is a endli-congicus hybrid.
As for why captive bred (CB) fish don't look 'exactly the same', there are two questions here.
1) why CB fish don't look the same as pure bred? obviously if the CB is pure species, it should look the same. But some of the recent ones are probably hybrid, and that's why they don't look the same.
2) why CB fish don't look the same as wild caught? this can be true even if both the CB and wild fish are pure species. e.g. the patterns are different, head shape/body shape could start to change. Reason is probably due to selective breeding and inbreeding and limited gene pool for the CB fish.
Ya bro, I seen some big size endi with faded colour...from a far look like congicus but look closer it is endi...the thickness of the faded striped is still there...then if i am not wrong the lip seem bigger also the head shape is abit different...flatter...what else did i miss out?
yeah like you said P. endli endli generally has much darker and wider stripes. Their stripes are also more irregular and zigzaggy. However there are CB endli with narrow or horizontal stripes which you don't typically see in wild caught fish.
P. endli congicus typically has fainter, narrower and neater stripes. But there are also some specimens with darker and slightly wider stripes than normal. The number of stripes are also higher in general than endli.
congicus has on average 13-14 dorsal finlets. endli about 12-13. But they really can overlap, so it's not very diagnostic.
endli endli typically has a wider and flatter head than congicus.
Tigriuns™
08-15-2008, 10:00 PM
pure bred can be either wild caught or captive bred. so for a congicus, if both the parents are congicus, it'll be pure bred. So what i meant was pure bred = not hybrid.
It's just that for captive bred bichirs, it's somewhat hard to tell with the recent exports, since Indonesia has been breeding some hybrids apparently, but these fish aren't sold as hybrid, and the farms don't make it clear what are the species for the parents. So it's a lot of educated guess on the part of the hobbyists, e.g. the fish that CDM has we suspect is a endli-congicus hybrid.
As for why captive bred (CB) fish don't look 'exactly the same', there are two questions here.
1) why CB fish don't look the same as pure bred? obviously if the CB is pure species, it should look the same. But some of the recent ones are probably hybrid, and that's why they don't look the same.
2) why CB fish don't look the same as wild caught? this can be true even if both the CB and wild fish are pure species. e.g. the patterns are different, head shape/body shape could start to change. Reason is probably due to selective breeding and inbreeding and limited gene pool for the CB fish.
yeah like you said P. endli endli generally has much darker and wider stripes. Their stripes are also more irregular and zigzaggy. However there are CB endli with narrow or horizontal stripes which you don't typically see in wild caught fish.
P. endli congicus typically has fainter, narrower and neater stripes. But there are also some specimens with darker and slightly wider stripes than normal. The number of stripes are also higher in general than endli.
congicus has on average 13-14 dorsal finlets. endli about 12-13. But they really can overlap, so it's not very diagnostic.
endli endli typically has a wider and flatter head than congicus.
Very informative :D used to keep only engi a few year back cos congicus very hard to find. Until I when to a shop got sell 10"+/- congicus and the owner sell me cheap as they dun know what it is. from there I was able to compare. But since i never keep such a small congicus before I am unsure if it mix or what... mine look more like pure breed unlike Bro CDM one but even mix like his also very nice looking...now i want to look for a mix one:)