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sykofrenic
09-20-2008, 11:43 AM
does anyone know where to get bluegill or other sunfish for an aquarium? i have a 55 gal, so i only want a few.

KMKN
09-20-2008, 11:44 AM
most lakes have them

teleost
09-20-2008, 12:00 PM
Syko, Unfortunately California doesn't allow you to get your aquarium fish from the wild. They do allow you to buy native fish for your aquarium provided the fish you want are not on the prohibited species list.

KSI aquatics
Zimmerman's captive natives
Jonah's Aquarium
BT Darters
Aquaculturestore

All the above suppliers might have what you're looking for.

I would not recommend bluegill since there are so many other more beautiful sunfishes available. Some sunfish (like orangespotted) stay small and remain brilliantly colored most times of the year. Do a little studying before you get any sunfish for your 55 since once you get them, you can't release them just like tropicals.

Gator
09-20-2008, 12:14 PM
Does the Law apply to using rod and reel to catch them as opposed to netting fish and taking them home to the aquarium?

drewish
09-20-2008, 12:22 PM
Does the Law apply to using rod and reel to catch them as opposed to netting fish and taking them home to the aquarium?

It doesn't matter how you catch them. You can't take live fish away from the waters of Cali.

sykofrenic
09-20-2008, 6:11 PM
[quote=teleost;2221389;]Syko, Unfortunately California doesn't allow you to get your aquarium fish from the wild. They do allow you to buy native fish for your aquarium provided the fish you want are not on the prohibited species list.

i know about that, im a wildlife major at humboldt state university, thats why i asked about suppliers. thanks for spreading the word and trying to protect our waterways.

uncwnells
09-20-2008, 6:15 PM
Cali is catch and release only? Thats f'in awesome if its true!

sykofrenic
09-20-2008, 6:39 PM
its not catch and release only. its no removal of live animals. you cant go out and catch them and bring them home alive for an aquarium.

Moontanman
09-20-2008, 6:51 PM
its not catch and release only. its no removal of live animals. you cant go out and catch them and bring them home alive for an aquarium.

Why would the State want to prohibit keeping fish in an aquarium that you had caught even by legal methods? You can kill them, eat them, or just throw them back but not keep them in an aquarium? I've heard the laws in California tend toward the draconian but that really does not compute.

sykofrenic
09-20-2008, 7:01 PM
its about introduction of new foregin species from the aquarium to the wild and visa versa. there are many irresponsible people out there who would go catch a fish from a lake,keep it in a tank for a while and then release the fish back. on release back to the wild that fish could be taking parasites, diseases, bacteria, algae...anything from the aquarium and introducing it to the wild where it could potentially cause a big problem. look up the asian carp in the mississippi watershed, that is why the state wasnts no traffic at all between aquariums and the wild. plus its a game species and you cant keep game species(or wild animals) as pets

Moontanman
09-20-2008, 10:59 PM
its about introduction of new foregin species from the aquarium to the wild and visa versa. there are many irresponsible people out there who would go catch a fish from a lake,keep it in a tank for a while and then release the fish back. on release back to the wild that fish could be taking parasites, diseases, bacteria, algae...anything from the aquarium and introducing it to the wild where it could potentially cause a big problem. look up the asian carp in the mississippi watershed, that is why the state wasnts no traffic at all between aquariums and the wild. plus its a game species and you cant keep game species(or wild animals) as pets

Your argument doesn't hold up, the Asian carp did not come from aquariums and not taking a fish to be put into an aquarium that is non native to start with will not prevent fish from being released into the wild. Very few people are in the keep a fish for a while and release it mode and education and a law against release can prevent that without a draconian law preventing catching your own fish. I am all for laws to prevent the release of any fish that has been in captivity into the wild. Any fish kept in captivity should be killed instead of release, native or exotic. But laws to prevent taking from the wild will have no effect and would only be relevant if aquarium fish were out lawed altogether. But knowing California law, out lawing fish keeping completely is not out of the question especially when they have it half way there already. If they can pass such an unreasonable law then how far behind can total out lawing of aquarium fish really be?

JoeyCraig3
09-21-2008, 12:31 AM
....thats california for you, just and skip, jump, and a hop away from more totally ridiculous laws

mikcamjon
09-21-2008, 9:07 AM
does anyone know where to get bluegill or other sunfish for an aquarium? i have a 55 gal, so i only want a few.

http://www.aquaculturestore.com/fwverts.html

Also, if you check http://forum.nanfa.org/ their are other vendors for north american fish

cjohll
09-21-2008, 9:40 AM
plus its a game species and you cant keep game species(or wild animals) as pets Where do you think a good portion of the fish you see in the pet store come from?

drewish
09-21-2008, 11:26 AM
Where do you think a good portion of the fish you see in the pet store come from?

There are North American game fish in pet stores?

sykofrenic
09-21-2008, 7:57 PM
look, if youre not going to give me info about where to get caprive bread fish then stop posting on this thread. i dont need to know your wrong oppinions on my states fish and game laws.

Moontanman
09-21-2008, 8:17 PM
look, if youre not going to give me info about where to get caprive bread fish then stop posting on this thread. i dont need to know your wrong oppinions on my states fish and game laws.


Well you know what opinions are like, if you had paid attention you would have read several places where you can get native fishes. If you had read my signature you would have seen you could have gotten them from me. I collect them from the wild, legally, and breed them. sorry you took exception to the views on California laws.

pokerho666
07-14-2009, 5:38 PM
does that mean i cant breed bluegill for sale as live bait???

WattaMelon
07-14-2009, 7:07 PM
There are North American game fish in pet stores?

Yes. Often, there are. There's some at our local little petstore. Currently, they have walleye, muskies (tons of them!), sunfish of nondescript species (they don't know exactly what kind. When I asked, they said "aren't all bluegills just bluegills?"), bass, crappies, and yellow perch.

WattaMelon
07-14-2009, 7:08 PM
does that mean i cant breed bluegill for sale as live bait???

This is a whole different world, and is heavily regulated. You need a lot of documents to do this.

Wiggles92
07-14-2009, 8:12 PM
Sunfish are easy to get from stores, but I prefer to breed my own (unfortunately not feasible in your case).

I currently have 36 baby sunfish (around 0.75") and a 2" bluegill now; they are easier to care for when you start with them when they are little.

All of the fish are on frozen Hikari Brine Shrimp cubes, frozen Hikari Brine Shrimp and Spirulina cubes, and mosquito larvae as an occasional treat.

If you get older fish, then you may have trouble getting them off of live food.

FISHY FINGAZ
07-14-2009, 8:14 PM
man we got sum real boy scouts in here huh?

FISHY FINGAZ
07-14-2009, 8:18 PM
There are North American game fish in pet stores?

yea they do, dey sell coldwater sturgeon at my LFS!!

Moontanman
07-14-2009, 8:25 PM
pointless

WattaMelon
07-14-2009, 11:50 PM
pointless

Agreed.