Common Carp.....

[Golden Ghost]

Does anyone know where I can buy Baby Common Carp? Like 4-6 long would be great. I had some Koi, but Got rid of them so I could get Native Fishes. So I'd really Like some Common Carp.

Thanks,
GG

[Gator]

Common carp are not native to the US they are invasive fish from Asia and Eastern Europe.

[ewurm]

Go fishing for some. Oatmeal balls!

[Aphilophus]

i agree

[Golden Ghost]

Common carp are not native to the US they are invasive fish from Asia and Eastern Europe.

I don't see them as "invasive." Many are constituting them a naturalized species. did you know that Carp are the #1 sportfish of the world? everywhere but the US views them as sportfish.

As for fishing for them... I do that already. But I use Euro gear.

Is there a place I could buy them for like stocking a pond? again, 4"-6" is my goal.

GG

[moto110]

What is Euro gear?

[le patron]

Go fishing for some. Oatmeal balls!
ha
ewurm could you pm on how to make those? bread hasnt been working lately

[Havey]

I don't see them as "invasive." Many are constituting them a naturalized species. did you know that Carp are the #1 sportfish of the world? everywhere but the US views them as sportfish.



GG


What does your post mean? "Many are constituting them a naturalized species?" They are an introduced species and that have withstood active programs to irradicate them. Who is many? No state would or could declare them naturalized because they are not "natural" to any north american environment.

[Gator]

I don't see them as "invasive." Many are constituting them a naturalized species. did you know that Carp are the #1 sportfish of the world? everywhere but the US views them as sportfish.

As for fishing for them... I do that already. But I use Euro gear.

Is there a place I could buy them for like stocking a pond? again, 4"-6" is my goal.

GG

Out competing native fish for food and fouling up once clear shallow lakes ponds, waterwyas and wet lands turning them into muddy pools and making it easier for algae to choke out plants that waterfoul and other fish species depend on makes them a nuisance. Illinois and the Fed gov has spent millions of dollars to try and contain the Asian grass carp. IMO it should be a law that any carp caught should be destroyed.

[Havey]

Out competing native fish for food and fouling up once clear shallow lakes ponds, waterwyas and wet lands turning them into muddy pools and making it easier for algae to choke out plants that waterfoul and other fish species depend on makes them a nuisance. Illinois and the Fed gov has spent millions of dollars to try and contain the Asian grass carp. IMO it should be a law that any carp caught should be destroyed.

Cheers to the Post.
I have fished many lakes where it is illegal to return carp to the waters.

[andyjs]

There are several species of carp that are invasive in the US. If anyone is breeding and selling small common carp, they should be shot... With most of the states in the US trying so hard to get rid of them, there's no way anyone in their right mind would sell them. If you want to start a native tank, I'd start with native fish. Any particular reason you want carp?

[Golden Ghost]

Euro gear is the type of gear they use in the UK and most other places to catch Carp. Like I said.... The US is one of the only places that Common Carp are looked down upon. Here is a pic of my Euro Gear.
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x285/caneycreekfisherman/100_2197.jpg

I want Common Carp because.... I like them. They are just cool fish! They don't do the damage to our water ways that people over hype them to do. If they did that, do you think that carp would have a $5 billion doller industry in the UK alone?

Think about it..... Smallmouth Buffalo, A native Fish to the US has the EXACT SAME diet as Common Carp, yet you NEVER hear anyone talking about how they need to be killed in mass numbers.

Koi..... they are the Same thing as common Carp. Just with bright Colors. Why the change of thinking?

Yalls idea??


GG

[ewurm]

ha
ewurm could you pm on how to make those? bread hasnt been working lately


Put a handful of oatmeal around a hook, and dip it in water, squeeze it, and it should adhere to the hook. Toss it and let it sit.

[oscarcrazy]

There is huge industry over there because they are fine fighters on appropriately sized tackle. I do know that the Austin carp sport fishery is picking up, and I never complain about having one on the end of a line here in Houston. But, as I'm sure you know, we do have to gut them and can actually get tickets for returning them live to water.
Yes they are cool fish, but they are an invasive non native species. There is no such thing as an introduced species that does nothing to the environment to which it was introduced. These big, prolific fish just over run the balance of an ecosystem. They have been much more widely introduced then their ornametal counter parts, so have been able to do much more damage. Please don't down play their devastating role just because you like keeping them. States spend millions to get rid of them, no states are trying to get more.
I think it's great that you love these fish and want to keep them. It's your hobby after all. Just around here carp are like pittbulls at a dogshow.

[ewurm]

I'm not sure about your laws, but sound like rubbish. That's a rumor in our state too, but the opposite is true. Fishermen are encouraged to return fish to the water that will not be utilized, unless it is a species previously not found in those waters. In that case, the DNR asks you bring it to a conservation office for positive ID and to let them know the fish location where it was caught. Fishermen will never put a dent in the population.

[Jim King]

Our government supplied carp to be introduced to every state that wanted to have them around 1900. The introduction was extremely successful and widespread. A 4 to 6 inch fish is just over 1 year old. Given food and water they grow very quickly. If you want a native fish that grows quick and big like over 3 feet try squaw fish also known as Northern pike minnow. Ive kept one for more than a year and it does love to eat .

[ewurm]

Our government supplied carp to be introduced to every state that wanted to have them around 1900. The introduction was extremely successful and widespread. A 4 to 6 inch fish is just over 1 year old. Given food and water they grow very quickly. If you want a native fish that grows quick and big like over 3 feet try squaw fish also known as Northern pike minnow. Ive kept one for more than a year and it does love to eat .


Are you talking about Northern Pike (Esox Lucius)? Or something else?

[Havey]

Our government supplied carp to be introduced to every state that wanted to have them around 1900. The introduction was extremely successful and widespread. A 4 to 6 inch fish is just over 1 year old. Given food and water they grow very quickly. If you want a native fish that grows quick and big like over 3 feet try squaw fish also known as Northern pike minnow. Ive kept one for more than a year and it does love to eat .


I didn't know you can find Northern Pike Minnow. Have you ever seen the old Black and White photos of guys catching them out of the Colorado? That is one impressive fish.

[ewurm]

Found it:

http://www.thejump.net/id/northern-pikeminnow.htm

Thanks for the learning experience

[Golden Ghost]

But, as I'm sure you know, we do have to gut them and can actually get tickets for returning them live to water.
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No, no, no...... Your thinking of White Amur, Falsely nicknamed "Grass Carp." White Amur only have to be gutted if the body of water does not have a state permit to stock the White Amur in said Body of water.
"Grass Carp" are not even a type of carp.

Now, It is unlawfull to wast ANY fish or animal on the bank to rot.
Common Carp is not a fish that has to be gutted. ONLY White Amur that are found in a water body that does not have a permit for them.

[XxPrudencexX]

ha
ewurm could you pm on how to make those? bread hasnt been working lately

They go for canned corn too (those kernels of corn just put em on the hook)

[blurock]

I didn't know you can find Northern Pike Minnow. Have you ever seen the old Black and White photos of guys catching them out of the Colorado? That is one impressive fish.

They are deffinatly still around, Washington State (And I'm pretty sure other states in the northwest) have a bounty out on them. You can make pretty good money off them, but they have to be 6 or 8 inches or larger and you have to register to fish for them the beginning of the day.

[MN_Rebel]

No, no, no...... Your thinking of White Amur, Falsely nicknamed "Grass Carp." White Amur only have to be gutted if the body of water does not have a state permit to stock the White Amur in said Body of water.
"Grass Carp" are not even a type of carp.

Now, It is unlawfull to wast ANY fish or animal on the bank to rot.
Common Carp is not a fish that has to be gutted. ONLY White Amur that are found in a water body that does not have a permit for them.

Sorry your wrong but they are CARP and they are in CARP family. One of Famous Asian carp Quad species: black, grass, bighead and silver carp. I guess you dont research on carp very well.

[Gator]

I want Common Carp because.... I like them. They are just cool fish! They don't do the damage to our water ways that people over hype them to do. If they did that, do you think that carp would have a $5 billion doller industry in the UK alone?

Think about it..... Smallmouth Buffalo, A native Fish to the US has the EXACT SAME diet as Common Carp, yet you NEVER hear anyone talking about how they need to be killed in mass numbers.

Koi..... they are the Same thing as common Carp. Just with bright Colors. Why the change of thinking?

Yalls idea??


GG

Your reasoning is severely flawed. Common carp in Europe have natural predators in that environment that keep the population in check and they dont out compete other native fish in that niche because guess what, that is their niche! They evolved in that environment therefore they belong in that environment so stop saying in the UK this and that, its ridiculous this is North America not Europe.

Smallmouth Buffalo and Common carp the same? Hmmmm lets see...

Diet:
Smallmouth buffalo eat mainly crustaceans and algae. Common carp eat those as well and anything and everything that they can get in their mouth.

Spawning:
Smallmouth buffalo spawn once a year while common carp can spawn all year long in warmer climates like Texas. They both lay about the same number of eggs but Carp eggs hatch in about 4 days and smallmouth buffalo take from 1 to 2 weeks giving predators much more time to eat the unhatched eggs. Small mouth populations also take from 4.5 to 14 years for the population to double, common carp take from 1.4 to 4.4 years to double. Thats where the majority of the problem lies. Buffalo max reported age is 15 years and the common carp 38! So by the time a buffalo dies of old age the carp is just reaching middle age and still breeding for another 15-20 years. So now lets use the maximum time it takes the population of fish to double starting from 100 fish. By the time the Buffalo doubles its population in 14 years from 100 fish to 200 the carp has gone from 100 to over 800 fish in that same amount of time. This is where the impact on the environment is really felt. Unfortunately people like you dont see any further than the surface of the water when it comes to invasive plants and animals, your blinded to what you cant see due to your own selfish reasonings.

[MN_Rebel]

Your reasoning is severely flawed. Common carp in Europe have natural predators in that environment that keep the population in check and they dont out compete other native fish in that niche because guess what, that is their niche! They evolved in that environment therefore they belong in that environment so stop saying in the UK this and that, its ridiculous this is North America not Europe.

Smallmouth Buffalo and Common carp the same? Hmmmm lets see...

Diet:
Smallmouth buffalo eat mainly crustaceans and algae. Common carp eat those as well and anything and everything that they can get in their mouth.

Spawning:
Smallmouth buffalo spawn once a year while common carp can spawn all year long in warmer climates like Texas. They both lay about the same number of eggs but Carp eggs hatch in about 4 days and smallmouth buffalo take from 1 to 2 weeks giving predators much more time to eat the unhatched eggs. Small mouth populations also take from 4.5 to 14 years for the population to double, common carp take from 1.4 to 4.4 years to double. Thats where the majority of the problem lies. Buffalo max reported age is 15 years and the common carp 38! So by the time a buffalo dies of old age the carp is just reaching middle age and still breeding for another 15-20 years. So now lets use the maximum time it takes the population of fish to double starting from 100 fish. By the time the Buffalo doubles its population in 14 years from 100 fish to 200 the carp has gone from 100 to over 800 fish in that same amount of time. This is where the impact on the environment is really felt. Unfortunately people like you dont see any further than the surface of the water when it comes to invasive plants and animals, your blinded to what you cant see due to your own selfish reasonings.
Excellent work with your speech! There are very few lakes that carp "cannot" destorying or threw the nature balance. Buffalo and carp are totally two different animals, carp eat everything.:clap

[Golden Ghost]

Ok..... sorry if I'm wrong. I'm sick of being heckled from asking simple questions.
I'm out...

GG

[MN_Rebel]

Thats because you dont know about carp, we dont meant to ruin your plans about keeping carp in ponds but you dont know whats going on with carps and native fishes. Carp cause loss habitats for the endangered species by degrade the water, do you know that? The carp are NOT NATURALIZED in United States, sorry man.

[bromie88]

to the origional poster...

i fish for carp all the time. and carp will take a wide range of baits. if you use 'Euro tactics', i guess you are familiar with hair rigs, bolt rigs and boilies ect. although this is great for bigger carp, it is some what limited when it comes to small fish.

for small carp ( >5lb ). match tactics are the way to go. most match anglers gernerally use poles. but theyre not for me. i have loads of success catching big and small carp with the lift method. probably not the most sensitve way to fish but its very exiting method. it also helps to prevent line bites too.
http://www.gofishing.co.uk/fishingforums/Forum-Landing/Forum-Categories/Topic/?topic-id=6988

i fish slightly different to this. i set my float overdepth by about 6" so i can adjust how much float i have out of the water. so if the float is constantly going under from linebites, i can let out a little line, and have more float showing. i can also tighten down and have almost all the float undewater, showing just a tiny bit of the tip. and all without removing the float and recasting. which is great for pressured fish on hard waters.

baitwise, anything can be used, i like worm or small pieces of luncheon meat, and also also catfood. just be careful on the cast. it sucks being hit on the back with cat meat, especially if its warm.

either that or fish with maggot or worm on the float, catching small fish to start with. generally roach and rudd over here, but the carp will move in on the feed soon enough.

good luck and tight lines.:)

[bromie88]

Your reasoning is severely flawed. Common carp in Europe have natural predators in that environment that keep the population in check and they dont out compete other native fish in that niche because guess what, that is their niche! They evolved in that environment therefore they belong in that environment so stop saying in the UK this and that, its ridiculous this is North America not Europe.



carp did not evolve in the uk. they where introduced in the 1300's by monks. originally into stock ponds and reared as a food source. naturally some escaped and became established. now carp can be found in almost every water in the uk from rivers and streams, to canals and stillwaters, ranging from small farm ponds to resevoirs and meres... with a little help from man of course. :)

the monks also selective bred carp to produce fish with less scales (mirror carp) and finally fish with no scales at all (leather carp), although leather's are hard to come by.

carp dont have many predators in the uk. the only natural predators being pike and possibly eel. but they will also be eaten by zander and wells catfish. both being introduced in the 70's. the zander caused a bit of a mess in the early years, but now the levels of pike vs zander have reached equilibrium, and the numbers are divided roughly 50/50. only the cats cause problems as they will happily empty a lake of fish if introduced.

bearing in mind eels would only be able to take really small carp, and the average uk pike wouldnt be able to eat a 15lb carp, or would die trying. also an average fish in the uk is around 20lb, and the biggest fish is 'two tone' at 67lb. BIG fish...:)

[I<3fish]

Lol, I'm sorry man but I have fished for carp and they let you drag their nasty fat asses up, how is that a sport fish?

[Gator]

Ok..... sorry if I'm wrong. I'm sick of being heckled from asking simple questions.
I'm out...

GG

It wasnt the questions it was the statements like They don't do the damage to our water ways that people over hype them to do.

[Connor AND Liam]

guys theres no reson to get angry at this guy for making statements that he beleives. I also have to say the american government was stupid for introducing them and only now trying to do somthing about them.

[Gator]

guys theres no reson to get angry at this guy for making statements that he beleives. I also have to say the american government was stupid for introducing them and only now trying to do somthing about them.

Beliefs in something that everyone has different opinions on are one thing but beliefs contrary to fact are another and thats the problem here.

GG,
If you want to have a tank with carp in them then go for it. BUT afaik there are no hatcheries in the US that raise carp for the same reason that state and private hatcheries raise other game fish for. As I have pointed out Carp have NO problems at all establishing themselves and maintaining thier populations. If you want a 4-6" carp then go fishing for them.

[MN_Rebel]

guys theres no reson to get angry at this guy for making statements that he beleives. I also have to say the american government was stupid for introducing them and only now trying to do somthing about them.

"american government was stupid for introducing them....." thats rubbish you dont know how we works in America. Actually its not government's fault, its PEOPLE's fault for import the carp into the waters for 100 years. No one knows that the carp will destory the native system in 1900's.

[Fishman1318]

Most grass carps that are introduced nowadays to combate the weed problems of a lake are unable to breed. And I've personally been to lakes that post that it is unlawful to keep a grass carp in your creel. This has been in Missouri and in Kentucky. These lakes were fairly small and self contained and very heavily weeded. The other fish in the lake seemed to be doing quite well so if an un-native species is introduced nowadays with the proper percautions and foward thinking then it shouldnt damange any waterways.