View Full Version : Great White in Captivity
jayclarke
03-01-2006, 12:26 PM
Found these pics of the 1st Great White Shark 2b kept in Captivity and survive. Nobody has ever got one of these truly MONSTER fish to eat b4. They have had 2release her back in2 the wild because she started eating her tank mates! Enjoy
rottbo
03-01-2006, 12:36 PM
how big of a tank do i have to build to get one of those!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sandtiger
03-01-2006, 1:18 PM
They had intentions of letting her go long before she ate her tankmates. The tank I believe was about a million gallons and located at the Monteray Bay Aquarium in California. Take a look at her nose in the first picture though, she obviously was not doing all that well in captivity. IMO, it's one of those fish that should remain free.
frasse
03-01-2006, 1:38 PM
It would be fun too have a small shark in a tank
Recycling Works
03-01-2006, 2:27 PM
gonna take the rocks, driftwood and plants out of my 55 and get me great white!
Stang1
03-01-2006, 2:54 PM
I the fish still on display if so, it's worth a trip out west
blacktip
03-01-2006, 2:55 PM
My kids and I used to watch it on their web cam every day. It actually did quite well in captivity, I believe it doubled its weight in the few months they had it on display.
They did always plan on releasing it as a full grown great white would need something more like the Atlanta Aquarium's 8 million gallon tank as a bare minimum. However, they decided to release it when they did since it had been attacking and eating the other sharks in the exhibit.
Stang1
03-01-2006, 2:59 PM
I retract my prior post
blacktip
03-01-2006, 3:00 PM
Here's a link (http://www.mbayaq.org/cr/cr_whiteshark/whiteshark_slideshow.asp#) to more information about this shark and its time in captivity.
jayclarke
03-01-2006, 3:06 PM
nice 1 Blacktip, i found the pics a while ago, 4got i had them so the info i cud remember was minimum. Gutted i neva got a chance to see it, it is the ultimate fish!!!
mainy999
03-01-2006, 11:55 PM
If i had a great white shark, i would feed it small children and kittens.
sandtiger
03-02-2006, 12:03 AM
If i had a great white shark, i would feed it small children and kittens.
Children and kittens might work for awhile but he is gonna need something larger as he grows. I suggest republicans.
Fried_fish
03-02-2006, 1:32 AM
They had intentions of letting her go long before she ate her tankmates. The tank I believe was about a million gallons and located at the Monteray Bay Aquarium in California. Take a look at her nose in the first picture though, she obviously was not doing all that well in captivity. IMO, it's one of those fish that should remain free.
well said Even with a million gallons its no where near the space of the ocean.
skinless
03-02-2006, 2:52 AM
I saw an episode of "Nature" about the GW in captivity. It has been tried before but never past two weeks, because as mentioned, they wouldnt eat.
Catching her for release looked pretty intense. Took a couple of tries.
DeLgAdO
03-02-2006, 3:58 AM
how big of a tank do i have to build to get one of those!!!!!!!!!!!!!
about a million gallons
literally....
Don4921
03-02-2006, 10:11 AM
r there any other white sharks being held now?
Zoodiver
03-02-2006, 10:11 AM
I believe it doubled its weight in the few months they had it on display.
It grew that fast due to it's nature. White sharks grow very quickly as young.
That wasn't the first white MBA kept, it was just the first to make it to display. Others they have done in the back holding pens.
None have been very successful at all.
blacktip
03-02-2006, 1:39 PM
I know they are hoping to catch another one this year to put on display. Since I blew it and didn't get to see the last one, I'll be one of the first in line if they put another one on display.
frasse
03-03-2006, 1:05 PM
aint there any sites about buying and keeping small sharks such as bottom dwellers???
Fish Finder
03-03-2006, 1:35 PM
aint there any sites about buying and keeping small sharks such as bottom dwellers???
If your looking for shark's this site is the best
http://www.oceanlifeaquatics.com/id34.html
He can get any kind of leagl shark avai. But just rember that for the smallest shark avaiable you will need min 250G
frasse
03-03-2006, 4:02 PM
yes i know but i have 750 G
DeLgAdO
03-03-2006, 4:41 PM
Children and kittens might work for awhile but he is gonna need something larger as he grows. I suggest republicans.
teenagers :D
they put up quite a fight :)
frasse
03-03-2006, 4:55 PM
Well im not teenager i been involved with saltwater for about 10 years.
Do anyone have a good idea of shark i could by???
rook45
03-03-2006, 6:49 PM
bala shark,irridesent shark,red tailed shark,ect
Princley
03-03-2006, 6:54 PM
Well im not teenager i been involved with saltwater for about 10 years.
Do anyone have a good idea of shark i could by??? with a 750 salt tank many not no black tip tho
sandtiger
03-03-2006, 7:37 PM
bala shark,irridesent shark,red tailed shark,ect
He's talking about real sharks.
skinless
03-04-2006, 6:19 PM
Some guy in Ace Ventura had a healthy looking GW in his tank.
ARGH!! "Its not Snowflake"!!!! ARGHH!!
USMCtanker
03-04-2006, 7:09 PM
those pics look fake.
sandtiger
03-04-2006, 7:23 PM
It's real.
fmanulla
03-05-2006, 9:29 PM
there's a compny on another site i visit called tropic marine and they sell cool sharks. you should check em out. I've never bought from them before but if i ever get my shark aquarium (in my dreams!) i'll give em a try. they even have hammerheads!!! Here is the link www.sharksondemand.com. If you by from them let me know how it goes.
sandtiger
03-05-2006, 11:38 PM
Why do I have a feeling that some of those sharks aren't legal and if they are should not be kept by anyone. They sure are expensive.
zachtos
03-06-2006, 8:53 AM
1
david b
03-06-2006, 1:52 PM
that would be crazy to own a shark like that and have it eat all the fish lol
Zoodiver
03-06-2006, 2:46 PM
Why do I have a feeling that some of those sharks aren't legal and if they are should not be kept by anyone. They sure are expensive.
Yes, some of the sharks offered there are ILLEGAL to own. I'd guess they aren't even collected legally. I wonder how mayn have actually sold. A lot of those species are pretty hard to ship with any success rate.....even for a professional.
Some are WAY over priced and a lot should never be owned by a private party. :screwy:
rumblesushi
03-06-2006, 2:52 PM
which ones are overpriced Zoo? I don't know much about the shark market :D
How would you ship a 3ft shark?
Zoodiver
03-06-2006, 3:03 PM
which ones are overpriced Zoo? I don't know much about the shark market :D
How would you ship a 3ft shark?
The black tips, the scallop hammers (at that size), bamboo (at that size), Atl sharpnose (at that size).... A 28" bull is a pup that probably hasn't even eaten yet, let alone be stable enough to collect and ship.
Some of the sizes point to illegal collection. In the US, you MUST have a special permit to catch and keep sharks under 36" - ANY shark. On top of that, you have to have a transport permit and a lot of states won't let you keep something that is considered a "native" anyway.
I say that because when we collected in the Gulf of Mexico for zoos all over the US, we had a binder full of permits, and were stopped twice to have them checked. We were in constant communiction with local officials so they knew exactly who we were and where we were going to be collecting.
Shipping larger sharks should be done via truck. Air freight is as good as dead. They don't do well with the pressure changes. No larger bodied fish does. Truck freight means either a tank big enough to keep them free swimming the entire time or a coffin box with an O2 line, a circulation pump and being in the water with them to "walk" them the entire time. Not to mention mixed water to do water changes. Sharks are swimming ammonia bombs when it comes to transporting them. Either way, shark shipping should have a person there to watch them the entire time.
I'd also like to point out that the site fails to note the ADULT sizes these animals reach. Not to mention the size of an enclosure or food requirements. Kind of negligent if you ask me.
EDIT: I found the "size guide"......the sizes are so far off, they aren't even worth posting. :WHOA: A place like this needs to be shut down.
gomezladdams
03-06-2006, 4:59 PM
Its cool that theyve finally managed to keep a great white for a while wish I had seen it
i could never keep one 1 they belong in the wild 2 my dumb self would deffinatly get attacked probally eaten
frasse
03-07-2006, 6:26 AM
Well i just want a small shark that i can have in a 750 G salt tank cant anyone recomend something im gonna buy the book aquarium sharks&rays but it would be kind if someone could give me a hint about someone...
Zoodiver
03-07-2006, 10:03 AM
I'd like to correct myself on a comment made in my previous post. I said any shark smaller than 36"....I meant any large bodied shark (bulls, hammers, spinners etc...). Obviously, you can keep things like Horns and Port Jacksons of smaller size. Usually, those are captive bred anyway.
In a 750, you can do a Horn, Port Jackson, Bamboo (depending on size and shape of the tank) or a Cat shark. Mostly bottom dwellers, but still interesting in their own respect. I used to breed white spot bamboo sharks and send them to other institutions to use as education animals or in touch pools.
frasse
03-07-2006, 11:28 AM
Wich free swiming shark could i keep??
And wich cat shark do u mean??
KillerKlover
03-07-2006, 9:43 PM
Dang that is one big fish
fmanulla
03-08-2006, 9:48 AM
I emailed the company with your comments zoodiver and the guy actually called me to tak to me! He is very smart and has been working with these sharks for over twenty years! the reason their so pricey is the cost of the permits and the cost of bringing em back. he says they transport the m by truck and have to monitor them constantly. they mostly sell to public aquariums but that sometimes there are peopl with tanks big enough. I hope i'm one of those people some day!
fmanulla
03-08-2006, 9:57 AM
hey zoodiver,
I just read the introduction page on that website www.sharksondemand.com and noticed that they do tell you that these sharks get big and might be illegal for som people to own in certain states. It says the customer should know the laws wher they live and to be prepared for the sharks eventual size. the prices aren't bad at all when you think about the cost of delivering by truck. I don't think I would want to drive these things around for chump change.
Zoodiver
03-08-2006, 10:00 AM
Wich free swiming shark could i keep??
And wich cat shark do u mean??
No free swimming shark will fit a 750.
Any of the cat sharks stay small enough.
fmanulla - If they truck ship, why does the site say the air freight them?
Even so, the sizes for the tanks they need are still WAY off.....sounds more like someone interested in making money to me.
Example: A 12' round pool is suggested for a bull shark. What part of a 12' shark is going to be able to live in a 12' pool? It's just wrong. It's irresponsible to sell these types of animals to the general public.
fmanulla
03-08-2006, 10:11 AM
If you read the price list it will tell you that only the sharks markd with an asterisk can be air shipped. the others have to be truck delivered. It a lso states that the sharks they sell are newborns and juveniles not 12 footers. And they do tell you that these sharks get big and you should be responsable when buyng. i understand your concerns and agree that someone without the right tank or experience should not buy these. but i would not blame the company for trying to sell these to others that can take care of them. I will tell the guy your concerns. He says he knows this forum.
frasse
03-08-2006, 11:31 AM
Good so now i know but here in Sweden its difficult too find a store that can take some species home i just know that they from time to time has the Chiloscyllium punctatum but noone else.. :cry:
Don4921
03-09-2006, 10:06 AM
tank sizes are way off
awesum
04-18-2006, 2:22 PM
This is what happend to that Great White:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6448213/did/7351538
Keeping Jaws in captivity sounds like a bad idea.
xxblwn408
04-18-2006, 2:45 PM
I envy her if she got to eat some bluefin tuna.
Don4921
04-19-2006, 10:03 AM
they should bring a nother one in
lnm130
04-19-2006, 11:22 AM
i saw her when i went to san fran to visit my aunt over spring break that year, she was very impressive...the entire aquarium is amazing!
edotero
04-19-2006, 11:27 AM
Remind me not to go swimming at CA.
Zoodiver
04-19-2006, 11:40 AM
You can find sharks in any waters. I'd go swimming with ANY of them :D
rayman45
04-19-2006, 11:43 AM
they got rid of her because its nose was getting all ripped up...`
water_baby83
04-19-2006, 5:40 PM
they got rid of her because its nose was getting all ripped up...`
Not quite, there was a lot more involved than just that. And though that was a concern, it wasn't the pushing factor in the release. I had just finished my internship there when she was brought in, and so I hung around for a while longer. It was awsome, however it was a battle from day one - lots of fun, lots of lessons, and a lot of stress. I was not by any means in charge of anything, just another aid, but it was great. There was so much behind-the-scenes "adventures" that I wish we could have recorded and released simply for educational purposes, however that was not up to me,LOL and considering the polictics that were involved, yeah, not a good idea. I was gone before she was released as I was back in Texas by then, but looking forward to next time. Like zoodiver said, sharks are everywhere, in like every body of water nearly, and I will willingly jump in with any of them, anytime, any place! Awsome~!
water_baby83
04-19-2006, 5:42 PM
Oooooo....
OK I gotta say this...I LOVE YOUR AVATAR!!! LMAO
milk_and_mallard
04-20-2006, 4:01 AM
Look at the nose of the shark in the first picture. That's when you know that you've taken a migratory animal out of its habitat. All that scar tissue is from bumping on the sides of the tank. Another note, at sea world here in san diego, the reason why shamu's (killer whale) dorsal fins curl down is cause the water level is too low, to where it's exposed to the sun and it curls that way. It's used to deep oceans, not a plexiglass swimming pool. In the wild they're not like that. Kind of sad to think about it.
Found these pics of the 1st Great White Shark 2b kept in Captivity and survive. Nobody has ever got one of these truly MONSTER fish to eat b4. They have had 2release her back in2 the wild because she started eating her tank mates! Enjoy
Keeper of Sharks
04-21-2006, 12:47 AM
... Another note, at sea world here in san diego, the reason why shamu's (killer whale) dorsal fins curl down is cause the water level is too low, to where it's exposed to the sun and it curls that way. It's used to deep oceans, not a plexiglass swimming pool. In the wild they're not like that. Kind of sad to think about it.
I hate to say it but I disagree. They large whale at Sea World San Diego dorsal fin is they way it is due to genetics. That whale is from a pod that has curved dorsal fins. The dorsal fins are one of the ways researchers make IDs of the whales in the open ocean. They have ID books with hundreds of pictures of the dorsal fins of different whales. The grey\white saddle patch just behind the dorsal fin is something else used to ID the whales. The pod he is from has many whales with the same style of curvature. So knowing that the curved dorsal fin happens in nature, that is the open ocean, then the ocean must not be deep enough? Does that make since? You would be amazed at what stuff people come up with as to why dorsal fins are curved LOL.
And, working with great whites and other large sharks is out of this world! And I still have all my fingers and toes. Sure, a few scars here and there but that just adds character!
Don4921
04-21-2006, 9:27 AM
I hate to say it but I disagree. They large whale at Sea World San Diego dorsal fin is they way it is due to genetics. That whale is from a pod that has curved dorsal fins. The dorsal fins are one of the ways researchers make IDs of the whales in the open ocean. They have ID books with hundreds of pictures of the dorsal fins of different whales. The grey\white saddle patch just behind the dorsal fin is something else used to ID the whales. The pod he is from has many whales with the same style of curvature. So knowing that the curved dorsal fin happens in nature, that is the open ocean, then the ocean must not be deep enough? Does that make since? You would be amazed at what stuff people come up with as to why dorsal fins are curved LOL.
And, working with great whites and other large sharks is out of this world! And I still have all my fingers and toes. Sure, a few scars here and there but that just adds character!
you have sharks any pics?
I hate to say it but I disagree. They large whale at Sea World San Diego dorsal fin is they way it is due to genetics. That whale is from a pod that has curved dorsal fins. The dorsal fins are one of the ways researchers make IDs of the whales in the open ocean. They have ID books with hundreds of pictures of the dorsal fins of different whales. The grey\white saddle patch just behind the dorsal fin is something else used to ID the whales. The pod he is from has many whales with the same style of curvature. So knowing that the curved dorsal fin happens in nature, that is the open ocean, then the ocean must not be deep enough? Does that make since? You would be amazed at what stuff people come up with as to why dorsal fins are curved LOL.
And, working with great whites and other large sharks is out of this world! And I still have all my fingers and toes. Sure, a few scars here and there but that just adds character!
didnt know that was the reason
jrwagner
04-21-2006, 12:00 PM
how big is a 750 g. tank?? what arethe deminsions? I think a nurse shark would be your best bet, but I am positive it will still outgrow your tank in a couple of years.. plus the cost of feeding it.. they consume 50% of its weight a day.. so when it gets big? that is a lot of fish to feed it!
water_baby83
04-21-2006, 2:00 PM
I hate to say it but I disagree. They large whale at Sea World San Diego dorsal fin is they way it is due to genetics. That whale is from a pod that has curved dorsal fins. The dorsal fins are one of the ways researchers make IDs of the whales in the open ocean. They have ID books with hundreds of pictures of the dorsal fins of different whales. The grey\white saddle patch just behind the dorsal fin is something else used to ID the whales. The pod he is from has many whales with the same style of curvature. So knowing that the curved dorsal fin happens in nature, that is the open ocean, then the ocean must not be deep enough? Does that make since? You would be amazed at what stuff people come up with as to why dorsal fins are curved LOL.
And, working with great whites and other large sharks is out of this world! And I still have all my fingers and toes. Sure, a few scars here and there but that just adds character!
:grinyes: Just about sums it up. Glad you said it, cuz I have a bad habbit on rambling on, LOL! There is more to it - you know that, but I think for the comment you were replying to, that'll do donkey, that'll do! LOL I love shrek, sorry, hahaha.
justin
04-27-2006, 6:34 PM
Actually, if you do your research a Greatwhite was kept in captivity, I believe in the early eighties or even earlier. I saw Black and white video of it eating. Unfortunatlly they had to let it go due to a leak in the undersized tank. The one in Monterey Bay was the first long term captivity of something like 198 days. Prior to that was about 15 or 16 days.
pactrop
04-30-2006, 1:01 PM
I don't think the tankmate eating would stop them from keeping a great white.
capthowdysmember
05-05-2006, 5:40 PM
man i need to move to the west coast. closest decent aquarium to me is dertroit and thats bout a 5 hour drive:cry: