what is a smallest arowana? [Archive] - MonsterFishKeepers.com

ethnics

11-21-2008, 3:34 PM

if u have to have a arowana, i'd go with a silver. not everyone realizes they have the most sleek and easy to turn around body design. jardinis and leichardti's have stiff bodies compared to silvers. even tho they get bigger, then can get by.

of course it aint right, but my friend grew a silver aro in his 80gal 20" wide tank for 4.5 yrs and grew it to 27 inches. i do not see this happening with a jardini. deforimty will be a guarantee

Bartek

11-21-2008, 4:26 PM

so you are telling me that I can keep silver arowana in my 50cm width aquarium?
my aquarium is about 150g/750litres

AquataHolic420

11-21-2008, 4:29 PM

get the butterfly.

dzb912

11-21-2008, 4:40 PM

just because they are flexible dosent mean you can put em in small tanks tho
what if it was you?
thatd hurt lol

Hao

11-21-2008, 4:41 PM

africans are no no O_O they grow to 40 inch

Miguel

11-21-2008, 4:49 PM

Even silvers and blacks get deformed from lack of space.

And blacks are, imo, the smallest and the slowest to grow....

jay17

11-21-2008, 5:24 PM

so you are telling me that I can keep silver arowana in my 50cm width aquarium?
my aquarium is about 150g/750litres

you could put him there.. but put yourself in the aro's shoes (if he has one :D), would you like to be put inside a small aquarium all your life?

Bartek

11-21-2008, 5:52 PM

you could put him there.. but put yourself in the aro's shoes (if he has one :D), would you like to be put inside a small aquarium all your life?

maybe may aquarium isn't widest one but I'm sure that is not short.
2 metres,that is two lengths of silver arowana,most people keep them in 5 foot aquarium :/

at least it will have some space to swim

ethnics

11-21-2008, 5:56 PM

everyone can always tell u bigger, but buy what you want. a 150gal tank is plenty. especially one that is 20" wide. or 19.68 inches to be exact. buy yourself a baby arowana, 2-5 inches and enjoy it. try to upgrade later if you can, or plan ahead n maybe try to find a keeper in ur area who may adopt it a year or 2 down the road. my 20" wide 150gal tank currently houses my 22 inch leichardti. before i had that, and before i bought my 400gal tank, i had 2 silver arowanas each over 20 inches, and a jardini about 22 inches.

of course people say put yourself in his shoes, but he'll be fine for at minimum 1.5 years. just feed him every other day as a youngin, then as he passes 12 inches feed him once every 3-4 days. it'll reduce the supposed 1-3 inches a month rule cuz people always stuff their aro's daily and it speeds up the growth dramatically.

everyone has an opinion, you asked about aros and you were looking for answers. instead you got people telling you to buy some other weird fish, and avoided your question entirely. the choice is yours, the answers are on the table. n then there are the opinions

Bartek

11-23-2008, 8:56 AM

I love fish's too much to treat them like that.
what other fish that is similar to arowana could I keep in my aquarium?
200cm length 75cm deep 50cm wide 750litres

cl0wn knife

11-23-2008, 10:41 AM

http://www.jjphoto.dk/fish_archive/aquarium/papyrocranus_afer_x.jpg il get a pic of mine 2 night mines more black then this 1 Papyrocranus afer also known as reticulated knife other name the arowana knifefish mines 15 inches if ur interested pm

cl0wn knife

11-23-2008, 10:42 AM

max size in captivity 60cm but rarely reaches 50

Bartek

11-23-2008, 11:42 AM

no thanks,I have look up some info on this knife fish and I don't like it too much.
it does not look like arowana :(

Noto

11-23-2008, 6:24 PM

Other somewhat arowana-like fish:

You could go with dragon/ violet gobies in a brackish setup. They typically get to about 15".

http://www.thefishworld.co.uk/id184.htm

Smaller bichirs such as Erpetoichthys calabricus, Polypterus senegalus, P. palmas, and P. delhezi would also do well in that tank (they are strictly freshwater species, not brackish); the Polypterus I mentioned reach about a foot in length, the Erpetoichthys is longer but slim and eel-like. They have a whole section in the Ancient Fishes subforum; just read through the stickies down there.

AU_Arowana-RG

11-24-2008, 7:52 AM

An Afro Butterfly fish looks like this:

http://www.aquariumfish.net/images_01/african_butterfly_102_w360.jpghttp://www.aqua-fish.net/imgs/fish/african-butterfly-fish-1.jpghttp://members.tripod.com/extreme_skier/fish/butterfly3.JPGhttp://www.petshop-zoomania.com/PREDATORS/Pantodon%20Buchholzi%20.jpg

These fish only max out at about 4-6 inches, so the specs of your aquarium could house a good-sized school of these.

These are pretty nice fish that garner the name "Mini-Arowana" and are a suggested alternative for anyone who doesn't have a tank for any of the True Arowanas or Middle Arowanas.

However, the specs of your tank could hold an Asian for quite some time (Provided you could afford a Green).

Bartek

11-24-2008, 11:35 AM

wow that butterfly fish is awesome!
I could have like ten of them in my aquarium but there is only one problem,where could I buy one?

Bartek

11-24-2008, 12:31 PM

I have looked up on green arowana and I have found out that they grow up to 60cm but average size in aquarium is only 50cm so that means that my aquarium would be perfect to house one green arowana....
is green arowana hard to keep and would may aquarium be big enough to house one green arowana?

Bartek

11-24-2008, 12:49 PM

or just jardini arowana on its own?
they grow up to 55cm and my aquarium is 50cm wide so that sound perfect for one jardini.

cl0wn knife

11-24-2008, 12:56 PM

please 4 the last time listen 2 us ur tanks water volume is 2 small 4 an arowana of any kind why ask questions when ur gonna ignor the advice cos u dont wanna hear it?

cl0wn knife

11-24-2008, 1:00 PM

Bartek

11-24-2008, 1:05 PM

please 4 the last time listen 2 us ur tanks water volume is 2 small 4 an arowana of any kind why ask questions when ur gonna ignor the advice cos u dont wanna hear it?

even you said that jardini is going to be okay in my aquarium and please take in calculations that one jardini wouldn't have to turn around as much as in 5 foot aquarium as my aquarium is 200cm long so that's means that this is four lengths of a jardini arowana.
lets wait for others,for some people that have owned jardini arowana or just had it!

David R

11-24-2008, 1:08 PM

please 4 the last time listen 2 us ur tanks water volume is 2 small 4 an arowana of any kind why ask questions when ur gonna ignor the advice cos u dont wanna hear it?

The tank is 190g, the volume of water is fine for a jardini, its the stupid dimensions that are the problem.

Bartek if you want an aro then sell that stupid tank and buy a standard 6'x2'x2' and you'll be able to keep a jardini, asian or black happily for years. Tanks that are taller than they are wide are utterly useless for most large fish...

Bartek

11-24-2008, 1:09 PM

the tank needs 2 b 20cm wider then the fish.......... they cant turn on them selves the need space dont b cruel 2 the fish thats like saying ur say 18 inches wide we will put u in a 20 foot long room that is 15 inches wide think about it
what about keeping an silver arowana in a 3 foot tank?
silvers get up to four foots/120cm and people still have them in 2 foot aquariums!maybe jardini is not as flexible as silver but cmon,is always better to keep one jardini in 50cm wide tank that keeping one silver in 60cm tank!
jardini should turn easily!!

cl0wn knife

11-24-2008, 2:23 PM

Bartek

11-24-2008, 2:29 PM

btw bartek ii have owned african arows silvers black and jardinis so ty think ive had my fair number of experiences true i cant tell u bout asians but 4 last time listen 2 people its not right keeping a fish ina tank the same width or shorter then the fish... get a normal dimension tank not a stupidly large community tank that is narrower then it is tall

Okay than you won!happy?
how about this?
I will buy an silver arowana and keep it in my aquarium for one or two years until it grows 20"+ and than I will upgrade to monster size aquarium
250cm in length 60cm wide and 60cm deep,around 900litres.
that sized aquarium costs about £600 on ebay
hows that?

Noto

11-24-2008, 2:38 PM

Tank first, then fish.

Bartek

11-24-2008, 3:13 PM

Tank first, then fish.
this will never happen as is just stupid to me to keep an 10inch fish on its own in 900litres aquarium!
nothing bad would happen to fish if it will be kept in a bit smaller aquarium for a year or two!

cl0wn knife

11-24-2008, 3:15 PM

tank b4 fish there are 2many monsters that need homes cos people cant give them proper caring when they first get them saying they will upgrade

cl0wn knife

11-24-2008, 3:16 PM

i give up on u i think its a lost cause dont know why u even started this thread u havent listend at all n u just thinking of ur own pleasure b4 the fishes interests gl with ur fish keeping hope u sort it all out

David R

11-24-2008, 3:21 PM

how about this?
I will buy an silver arowana and keep it in my aquarium for one or two years until it grows 20"+ and than I will upgrade to monster size aquarium
250cm in length 60cm wide and 60cm deep,around 900litres.
that sized aquarium costs about £600 on ebay
hows that?

You're not getting it eh. 60cm is not wide enough for a silver aro long term, it will do for 2-3 years then you'll need something wider. A jar or asian would be very happy in that tank though.

Bartek

11-24-2008, 3:38 PM

You're not getting it eh. 60cm is not wide enough for a silver aro long term, it will do for 2-3 years then you'll need something wider. A jar or asian would be very happy in that tank though.

that's fine,it make no difference to me,I will get an aquarium when I will go to my first job.
and I also want to point up that I'm not sure if I really will be buying an arowana as I'm thinking about an catfish set-up as well.
I just need to get an idea what could I keep in my aquarium and I need to find out what set-up I really want,I got lots of time before I will be moving houses,I plan to get an arowana as it always was a fish that I wanted to keep.I have started already saving up money for some bigger aquarium but as I said it will take some time as I'm just 14!

LemonHead

11-24-2008, 3:52 PM

:ROFL:

Freke

11-24-2008, 5:19 PM

I always gone, fish first then upgrade, untill now. Then i got a 255x75x75cm tank then 1month after did my 4 asian arive and now they got a silver and 2 rays as tankmates and i think a normal 900l as we have here in sweden 200x75x60cm will be just fine for you.. So ill say get the fish if ur sure u can upgrade when its time for it.

Austin

11-24-2008, 5:26 PM

wow......i'm at a loss for this whole thread....

David R

11-24-2008, 5:29 PM

that's fine,it make no difference to me,I will get an aquarium when I will go to my first job.
and I also want to point up that I'm not sure if I really will be buying an arowana as I'm thinking about an catfish set-up as well.
I just need to get an idea what could I keep in my aquarium and I need to find out what set-up I really want,I got lots of time before I will be moving houses,I plan to get an arowana as it always was a fish that I wanted to keep.I have started already saving up money for some bigger aquarium but as I said it will take some time as I'm just 14!

If you're only 14 then have a think about what you're going to be doing in the next few years, moving out of home, uni/work etc. A big tank with big fish is a pretty serious commitment. I'm not sure if you've ever tried moving a 2' aro before, but it aint easy! Maybe stick with the butterfly fish til you're settled.
Either that or just don't move out of home for the next 10 years! :ROFL:

Bartek

11-25-2008, 1:24 AM

If you're only 14 then have a think about what you're going to be doing in the next few years, moving out of home, uni/work etc. A big tank with big fish is a pretty serious commitment. I'm not sure if you've ever tried moving a 2' aro before, but it aint easy! Maybe stick with the butterfly fish til you're settled.
Either that or just don't move out of home for the next 10 years! :ROFL:

that is what I'm doing,i gonna stay with my parents till 22-26!
i have plan everything for my future!
when i finish school i gonna go to college and work on weekend in my LFS
and there will be no problem with moving aquariums and aro as my dad have a huge van.when i will finish college i will go to university and when i finish i will try to find proper job,earn some money and rent a house.

AU_Arowana-RG

11-25-2008, 4:08 AM

wow that butterfly fish is awesome!
I could have like ten of them in my aquarium but there is only one problem,where could I buy one?

Other than the internet, checking LFS, or inquiring here about where to get, I'd say special ordering from somewhere.

Bartek

11-25-2008, 9:49 AM

some fish's are just so hard to get,I was looking for my red tail catfish for 3months and I founded one shop which had them.

cl0wn knife

11-25-2008, 10:14 AM

u have a red tail............ r u thick red tail get 2 4ft

cl0wn knife

11-25-2008, 10:15 AM

im sorry i dont c how u can b classed as a mfk true u have monsters but u dont give them the requrements they need 4ft red tail would outgrow my 450.. let alone ur tank

pwmin

11-25-2008, 10:33 AM

ya, if you got an RTC, then a silver is the least of your worries.

Bartek

11-25-2008, 1:14 PM

ay wait the second!
yes i do have an red tail catfish and i know how big does it get!
i always wanted to have one and i got my self one when i was ready for it but before i bought it I contacted LONDON AQUARIUM if they would take him when he will be 50cm or bigger,they said that they will take him any time with no problems!!!!
I'm not stupid,I never buy any fish before reading some iformations about them,before i bought red tail catfish i spend over week to get some knowledge about them!!

Austin

11-25-2008, 7:13 PM

:nilly::nilly::screwy::screwy:

BIGtyme

11-25-2008, 8:51 PM

all this flaming in nonsense, why do all you people just rag on the kid, he's pry been told he'll need a bigger tank a hundred times, and he says he will so why not leave him be? and to your question, you could keep a silver for 6-8 months, just feed him every other day, he wont grow as fast, problem solved lol

AU_Arowana-RG

11-25-2008, 9:31 PM

Since when was it that you ALWAYS needed to get the tank needed for the full-grown size first?

Provided with what he has, it would actually be good to grow out a small 3-4 inch individual in the tank he has right now and either give it to someone or upgrade later. Keeping such a small fish in a big tank would probably be hassle for a number of cases as you'd always worry about your fish being dead if you can't find it.

HECK, I'm going to probably comm some 6-8 baby aros in a 50-75g tank with some smaller preds until they grow to 6-10 inches, after which, then they get deported to the big tank.

There is absolutely no problem wih using this tank as a growout and getting the bigger one later.

As for your inquiry for Afro butterflies, try asking around MFK for some info on where to buy. Just find some guys who live in the same area as you to get some help.

manbai

11-25-2008, 9:35 PM

cnt help u in dis topic...diff location n diff pricing!! so den if u want 2 get it cheap, cum 2 malaysia den ;p

Bartek

11-26-2008, 10:39 AM

are arowanas cheap in Malaysia?
if yes how much are they?

Noto

11-26-2008, 10:42 AM

There's no problem with growing out a fish in a smaller tank if you know you will have a place to put it when it outgrows that tank. I'm just worried that the OP will not be able to get this bigger tank when he needs it. It's easy to bite off more than you can chew, especially when you're young.

We're not trying to rain on anyone's parade, we just don't want the OP to get in over his head. That won't do anyone any good.

Is that enough metaphors?

T1KARMANN

11-26-2008, 12:00 PM

you live in London like me

so you would be crazy not to go with a Asian aro they are legal hear un like the US :D

rubbish a green aro will grow to 2ft max in a tank

but if you want my opinion you tank is not wide enough for any aro

it maybe long but surely the aro will need to turn around when it swims the length of you tank

Bartek

11-26-2008, 12:34 PM

cl0wn knife

11-26-2008, 12:42 PM

wait till u get the bigger aquarium then get the arrow just incase anything goes wrong u never know what could happen in between that time just save up 4 a bit longer and buy a different tank 2 the 1 ur gonna get soon...

Bartek

11-27-2008, 9:42 AM

I can't,why?
oh well I'm not going to keep one arowana in 1000litres aquarium on its own!
6cm arowana in that big aquarium would be scared just like an baby corn snakes,they have to be keep in a small terrariums otherwise they are very scared and also it would be hard to look on 6cm arowana in 1000litres aquarium.

Bderick67

11-27-2008, 12:07 PM

If you are going to start witha 6cm aro, you'd better do your research. Aros this small need to be raised without any or very select tankmates. Baby aros are very fragile.

You also will need to start in a smaller tank but not because the aro will be scared.
Feeding the aro is much more difficult in a large tank. Best bet is to go with a 55g tank until it is about 8" long.

T1KARMANN

11-27-2008, 12:23 PM

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i know that is not wide enough but I'm planing bigger aquarium in future.
asians aros are way 2 expensive.
silver £30-50
green £100-200
rtg £300+
and so on up to over £50000 for an arowana with two heads

if you think £100-200 is to much for a fish i think you should look at other fish apart from aros

how much do you think its going to cost to set up a tank for a silver or black aro

a lot more than £100-200 it will cost you more than that for the filters

you would be able to keep a green aro in a 6x2x2ft for life

a 6x2x2ft tank is a lot cheaper than a 8x3x2

Bartek

11-27-2008, 12:32 PM

Bderick67

11-27-2008, 1:45 PM

maybe,i got to think about it but on other hand if green aro dies that would cost me £120 but when a silver aro dies that would cost me about £30 !!
I'm not a rich kiddo and even now I'm helping my dad in his work on weekend to raise some extra money for my hobby,as soon as i will turn 16 I will be looking for some job on weekends.

This is crazy, you should be planning for the fish to be living, not planning for the fish to be dying. Personally I don't think an arowana is the right choice of fish for you.

David R

11-27-2008, 3:22 PM

if you think £100-200 is to much for a fish i think you should look at other fish apart from aros

how much do you think its going to cost to set up a tank for a silver or black aro

a lot more than £100-200 it will cost you more than that for the filters

you would be able to keep a green aro in a 6x2x2ft for life

a 6x2x2ft tank is a lot cheaper than a 8x3x2

Bingo. And I fully agree with Bderick67 too. I think you need to grow up a bit before making such a big commitment. I just forked out NZ$1000 for a green aro for the exact reasons T1KARMANN outlined above. I know its going to die one day, but if you aren't confident that you can keep it alive then you probably shouldnt be buying it in the first place...

Bartek

11-27-2008, 3:44 PM

David R

11-27-2008, 5:23 PM

I have been keeping tropical fish's for few years,I have read many books and read throw internet

And you still haven't learned that the word "fish" is both plural and singular? ;)

What about a black or jardini? I just had a look on http://www.aquarist-classifieds.co.uk and it would seem that you could pick either of them up for £50-100, and both would be alright in a standard 6x2x2' for a long time.

If you're really serious about the silver then why not sell your current tank and get a 6'x2'x2' so you don't have to move it for at least a few years.

Bartek

11-28-2008, 1:17 AM

i may think about it,and also i make lots of spelling mistakes as I'm not English.

Ramesh

11-28-2008, 1:34 AM

We don't want to discourage you and your interest in the hobby of keeping fish but the smallest Arowana is the one that you don't yet own.
It's simply that they are all large long lived fish that you should really plan for carefully and must have no doubt in your mind of housing an Arowana well into it's future.

T1KARMANN

11-28-2008, 2:46 AM

I have been keeping tropical fish's for few years,I have read many books and read throw internet and have learn many skill from my own mistakes and I'm confident about my skills but some fish's just die for no reasons,it happens to everyone,I just cant afford and mistake,6cm arowana's are weak,just like every other fry,£120 is a lots of money,I prefer to spend more money on aquarium and set-up because I know that it will not die.

for 1 you wont be buying a 6cm green aro as they are not even imported into the UK until they are 6 inch not 6 cm

they are a very strong fish and you would need to do something silly for it to die

i NEVER buy a fish thinking what if it dies :screwy:

Bartek

11-28-2008, 10:21 AM

so do I but I'm not rich.
is different if you have an steady job and earn money.

Tom500

11-28-2008, 10:25 AM

Id definitely say jar!

T1KARMANN

11-28-2008, 11:23 AM

so do I but I'm not rich.
is different if you have an steady job and earn money.

you have answered your own ? don't get a aro
when it grows it will cost you £10 per week in food

a fish is for life not just for Christmas

get the aro when you can afford it not because you want it

if you think £200 is to much then you will not be able to afford the money it will take to take care of the fish

your money your fish your tank but i know 1 thing for sure i wouldnt leave myself broke over a fish

Bartek

11-28-2008, 1:31 PM

bitteraspects

11-28-2008, 1:34 PM

why so much for oscars? they eat garbage. just buy a 50lb bag of dog food and youve got food for a long time

T1KARMANN

11-28-2008, 2:20 PM

is not that,I already spend over £10 a week for food for my Oscar's,is that if I would buy green arowana and if it would die I wouldn't be able to afford another green arowana,
I gotta think about it.

well if you paid £200 for a green and it died surly you would be crazy to buy another one :screwy:

asian aros are not hard to take care off for the last time unless you dont ever do water changes you have no cover glasses on your tank or dont think about rehoming your oscar before you buy the aro they are bullit proof

how many 6inch asain aros do you hear that die for no reason

Bartek

11-28-2008, 3:11 PM

dunno, but I'm sure that there were some.
well I spend £10 on my Oscar's food as I'm buying about 50 river shrimps for £4-5
and some frozen foods such as bloodworm's,mussels etc and also red tail catfish food is killing me but is well worth it :)
there are some pictures of my superb Oscar's and red tail catfish.
my red tail catfish was about 2-3inch and 2months later is over 8inch but is very peaceful towards other fish's :)
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bitteraspects

11-28-2008, 5:31 PM

sounds like a waste of money on food for an oscar. but to each his own

Bartek

11-29-2008, 2:02 AM

what do you mean?
this is worth it and I got to say that that I know some people that spend even more.

David R

11-29-2008, 2:44 AM

Yikes!! You better watch that fire eel with the RTC...

Bderick67

11-29-2008, 11:59 AM

There is no way you can keep any type aro in that tank.

TimTheBadass

11-30-2008, 5:03 PM

Okay my friend. I have some good, solid advice for you. I am from the UK so I know what's available and where to get it.
1. I'm guessing the tank you are planning on getting is a rena 200 (judging by the dimensions). This is a bad idea. Rena tanks are very expensive and are just too thin for large fish at only 50cm wide. I own one myself and raised a silver arowana in it till he was 50cm long and at this point the tank was to small for him.
2. Instead I would suggest you get a 6x2x2.5 ft wide tank. You can get one for £237 from this website http://www.freewebs.com/poseidonspalace/fishtankprices.htm
Then you will have to make a solid cabinet and hood which is quite inexpensive, around £100. On top of that you will just need filters (fluval fx5 recomended), heaters and light units. I'm estimating you could do a full setup for under £700.
3. Choice of arowana would then have to be a jardini. They don't grow too big and you can get them pretty cheap. I think a 6x2x2.5 should be ok for life aswell. The main problem you have in my opinion is your redtail cat. It grows extremely fast as you already know. You would either have to buy a large jardini or raise a small one in a separate tank so it doesn't get eaten. You can get a 5" jardini for £30 from here http://www.cheapfish.co.uk/tropical.htm
I hope you will find this info useful and take it on board. If anyone has anything to add or disagrees please comment.

Bartek

12-01-2008, 12:50 AM

okay my friend,I don't plan on getting an Rena 60 as I got it already,I'm planing to get this aquarium in about one or two years:
aquarium 96 X 24 X 24 (240cm X 60cm X 60cm)
over 800litres.
hood will be made by my dad as well as cabinet.
it looks like a fair price,I paid more for Rena.
http://www.acaquatics.co.uk/Prices.htm

and how come that fish's on that website are so cheap??!!

pwmin

12-01-2008, 9:45 AM

some people just don't listen...

cl0wn knife

12-01-2008, 9:58 AM

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Bartek

12-01-2008, 10:37 AM

what do ya mean that i don't listen?
are u blind or something#!!
many people said that i can keep an jardini or green arowana in that sized aquarium for an life time!!

Bartek

12-01-2008, 11:06 AM

clown knife some people told me that my aquarium is toooooooooo small for an arowana and i get it and understand it but also many people told me that it would be fine to keep an jardini or asian arowana in my aquarium for a one year and then upgrade,i have said that i will upgrade and i know it!!
so what is your problem?
250X60X60 this aquariums should be fine for an jardini for life!!
people said that i can keep an jardini in 6'X2'X2' aquarium but im gonna get even bigger over sized aquarium!!
and u are still moaning!!
cant ya just shut up?
you are not the cleavest one in this thread,forum so why u think that you are so extra?
u said that u have keept like 3 arowana's and u are moaning at me?
you are 16 and u already had three arowana's............what happened to them?
they died?or u had to give them back because your aquarium was too small?!!
u aint better than me so just shut up!
you are selling like a lots of fish's that would even outgrow your aquarium and why?
because some stupid kid bought too many monster fish and realize that he can't afford to keep them all?!!

cl0wn knife

12-01-2008, 11:11 AM

nah sold them (reason why i sold them was because i got good enougth offers for them no other reason they could all happily live in my tank) sorry i dont understand the bit about having alot of fish that would otugrow my tank? name 1 fish on my list of fish 4 sale that would outgrow a 450 gallon? i dont have an arapima a pangasuis etc any fish i add to my aquarium i mak sure i have the tank to hold it when its full sized before i buy the fish i dont make deals with aquariums 2 take fish off me when they outgrow my tanks because i dont tihnk thats fair if you can house the fish for its whole life with the tank i already have then i will buy it otherwise i wouldnt buy it

cl0wn knife

12-01-2008, 11:13 AM

and the thing bout having a jardinin in a 6x2x2 is fine just u dont have a 6x2c2 u have/ getting a 7x1.5x1.5 which isnt wide enougth also i dont pay 4 my hobby my dad does he's a lawyer and earns quiet a bit of money true i pay 4 my fish but he pays 4 upkeep etc so does that shut u up? just cos u cant afford a 450g no need 2 b rude bout it?

Bartek

12-01-2008, 11:19 AM

no it couse u keep telling me that this aquarium is too small and i end up selling aro but just look at you,how many fish do u have for sale and how many did ya sell?
why? ''FISH ARE FOR LIFE NOT JUST FOR CHRISTMAS''!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and is not ........X1.5X1.5
but aquarium that i will get is 8' by 2' by 2' !!!!!!!!!!!
makes difference?!
read!!

cl0wn knife

12-01-2008, 11:27 AM

no just when you tend to have a large agressive community of fish like mine fights will happen at first this was fine so i put them in different tanks but since my dad has fallen ill and is now in hospital (and looks like he will be for a very long time) its not practical to house all my fish

Bartek

12-01-2008, 11:28 AM

yeah sure :P
cmon kiddo just face it u ''BITE MORE THAN YOU CAN SWALLOW''

cl0wn knife

12-01-2008, 11:34 AM

i havent bitten off more then i can swallow

2 im hardly going 2 lie bout my dad having cancer am i like i said im 16 can hardly live on my own or suport my tanks financialy that is why im selling alot of fish atm if you dont believe me ask tom500 i had 2 put our deal on hold 2 buy my tigrinus because of my dad n im hardly going 2 put a deal on hold if i need money unless its serious am i? or u cna ask synodontis jack he has had a similar experience with a deal at same time

Bartek

12-01-2008, 11:50 AM

i dont care about your dad,you have bite more than you can swallow in my opinion as you are 16 you should be able to make your own money like i do and im just 14.
all my aquariums,equipment and all related staff in aquarium category i bought for my own hard earned money!!
i have spend so much money on it that this is just insane!!
my dad said that i can have huge aquarium as long AS I CAN AFFORD IT.
my dad aint have bad job too,he owns a building company and when i said i aint reach keddo i meant me not my dad as my dad said too me that he would not support my hobby.
in my whole life i havent sale any fish without an emergency of its life,like in case of my oscars that started badly bulling eachother,i had to say good bye to my albion oscar.

cl0wn knife

12-01-2008, 11:52 AM

i do earn mony i work in my lfs 3 days a week after skl and on weekends just wen ur spending £200 on a fair few of ur fish helps 4 family 2 help contribute i didnt ask but my da dkeeps fish aswell and lieks my guys so he pays for a fair bit of my hobby this lets me have other interests in life. which i think by the sounds of it is something u need 2 do

Bartek

12-01-2008, 11:59 AM

Tom500

12-01-2008, 12:20 PM

i gotta other interest,I'm kinnda of musician,i play on 5 string bass guitar.
hows that?
but thats what i mean,u have bite more that ya can swallow because now u just cant afford to keep them all.

why do u think that i only have one aquarium set up?
not because i can't afford it,but belive me i could have set up other aquarium with no problems but keeping it running,there is an problem!
u just didn't look into it.

Hang on a bit so let me get this straight. Besides the fact you are being rude about his dad having cancer!!! I should think even a little kid like you would understand the severity of such a thing. Put your self in his situation you imagine the prospect of possibly not having a dad im sure it would bring you to tears to just think about it, anyway. You say and i quote "thats what i mean,u have bite more that ya can swallow because now u just cant afford to keep them all" so you think he should have factored in his dad getting cancer in the future when he was buying tanks and fish, oh ye very fair i can see that good point ill make a mental note to teach myself to see into the future before i buy another fish or tank.
I think you should just leave it tbh you get you get your aro let clown knife sell his fish and dont give us all the sob story of i have to earn all my own money thing, DONT WE ALL!! YOUR NOT THE ONLY ONE!