Quest for Channa Marulioides LFS [Archive]

skareb

12-01-2008, 7:38 PM

I've heard from a fren that theres a house convert to lfs in Puchong around IOI mall area, this guy collect beautiful wild caught Channa Marulioides from all over the lakes n rivers, If this is true then this is great news for us, the pricing according to him aint cheap, we're talking about 6" can easily cost you RM200 for a 7banner.

Anyone heard where is this location exactly?

VinLwj

12-01-2008, 9:06 PM

skareb

12-01-2008, 11:30 PM

I live in Kepong (KL)...
I never heard that guy before...

theres a guy in kepong also hardcore, he collect his species from kenyir area, but a fren of mine bought a few babys from him at rm50/pc and it grew up just like those in lfs:(

intrxz

12-02-2008, 2:17 AM

skareb : can asked your friend to post pics of his fish ? d contact of d LFS as well then i might make a trip up to KL

skareb

12-02-2008, 5:59 AM

I'm trying to establish contact with this guy I've asked my fren to intro me, its kinda complicated.

VinLwj

12-02-2008, 9:19 AM

I got heard that guy but never meet him before...and dunno where he live.

I also interested to see your friend to post pics of his fish.
Thanks.

skareb

12-02-2008, 7:40 PM

I got heard that guy but never meet him before...and dunno where he live.

I also interested to see your friend to post pics of his fish.
Thanks.

Dun think so picture taking is allow, last nite I heard he is a middleman sorry for the confusion, he brings in wild caught fishes everyweek. I'm in fact hvg problem going there without a fish shop as I think he do not entertain retail buyers. I'm still blur with the exact details, but I heard there is a load coming in this saturday nite.

According to this fren of mine his bunga all sold out within 1-2 days, and ppl que up and wait for him at the gate when he brings back fishes, everyone wan to select first. I'm actually begging him to get me connected with this guy but due to his position I'm giving him a hard time as its conflicting his career. (you guys should know what I mean)

skareb

12-03-2008, 12:15 AM

I manage to establish contact with that guy, its very complicated and I cannot discus in the open, btw 8" = 300 a pc.

intrxz

12-03-2008, 2:32 AM

8" - 300 is very costly. judging on what u stated sounds like his fishes r top quality especially people waiting at his gate....

hermandrum

12-03-2008, 5:11 AM

8" - 300 is very costly. judging on what u stated sounds like his fishes r top quality especially people waiting at his gate....

absolutely agree:grinno:

skareb

12-03-2008, 11:59 PM

I've spoken to another lfs, now something new to me, he told me the rarest bunga is call "for mei" means fire tail, instead of white dot the fish has very bright red dot covering the entire dorsal, tail and anal fin. Any idea? dun say see b4, I've never even heard such thing b4.

coming back to this saturday meeting, the puchong guy claims the wild bunga has white dot at the 3 unpaired fins and connecting flower, does this sound more like thai bunga? or does malaysian variety shows the same trait?

intrxz

12-04-2008, 7:33 PM

skareb

12-04-2008, 8:40 PM

skareb : never heard anything about fire tail..sounds interesting. if u could get any pics of d two stated species all of us will be greatly appreciated. might be a new species or spec from neighbouring countries. someone did told me there's another type of maruloides from wild (very rare) with red colour flowers !! but until now i have not seen one. i'm dying to get hold one these specimen

I'm trying to find out more too about the fire tail. About our local toman, is it rite to say theres a sub cat:

1: they call Kuang the least beautiful bunga
2: yellow belly, individual flower (no white spot on fins)
3: Red eye, yellow belly, connecting flower, white spot on fins n body.
4: and the latest Fire tail, red spotted.

intrxz

12-04-2008, 11:51 PM

previously i was informed there're 2 types :

1. yellow base with red eyes
2. black base

interesting should there're a few sub-cat

skareb

12-05-2008, 12:16 AM

previously i was informed there're 2 types :

1. yellow base with red eyes
2. black base

interesting should there're a few sub-cat

if you take note some are white spotted and some are without

skareb

12-05-2008, 10:37 PM

Update, the guy came back from trengganu, and caught nothing, all the fish was drown. Apparently I got to understand is he ask the local Asli to catch those bunga and house them in a cage by the swamp, and the place had a massive flood and 20+ bunga was drown.

He says he will be making another trip there next week. So another 7 days to go.

intrxz

12-06-2008, 12:16 AM

so sad...the asli should have known it's raining season. keep us update

skareb

12-07-2008, 9:36 PM

actually I've no idea how long I've to wait so got myself a micro yesterday:banhim:

RM3 for a 3" micropeltes, RM1 = 1":ROFL:

hermandrum

12-07-2008, 11:43 PM

what is kuang???

VinLwj

12-08-2008, 4:03 AM

Kuang is other name of Toman Bunga, Channa Marulioides.
My Uncle and parents all call the Channa Marulioides as Kuang.

skareb

12-08-2008, 7:22 PM

what is kuang???

perak side they call kuang I think

intrxz

12-08-2008, 7:26 PM

skareb : i tot previously u gave up all your maruloides and nw rearing a banjar red arowana.

skareb

12-08-2008, 7:28 PM

skareb : i tot previously u gave up all your maruloides and nw rearing a banjar red arowana.

Yea, I change from banjar, then to RTG, then to MG now back to micro while waiting for the bunga

intrxz

12-08-2008, 10:40 PM

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DfrQDLioyU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DfrQDLioyU) maruloides nest - how i wish i'm there....

skareb

12-08-2008, 11:18 PM

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DfrQDLioyU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DfrQDLioyU) maruloides nest - how i wish i'm there....

when on snakehead hunting, if you find a virgin pond or swamp, this is what its like. And its every fishermans dream, thats why they kept the secret location so secretive, you'll need rambo torture to make them talk:nilly:

intrxz

12-09-2008, 12:59 AM

i agree they wont reveal d location. too bad all the fishes died and those anglers dont even practice hook & release for the next generations.....

hermandrum

12-09-2008, 1:11 AM

argee both of you said

hermandrum

12-09-2008, 1:12 AM

they r indo?? or melay?

intrxz

12-09-2008, 7:59 PM

looks like malay. m'sia still consists of many unexplored ' virgin jungles ' thus deep within those jungles many micro, lucius, maruloides, straita r swimming freely....

skareb

12-09-2008, 9:23 PM

looks like malay. m'sia still consists of many unexplored ' virgin jungles ' thus deep within those jungles many micro, lucius, maruloides, straita r swimming freely....

From my experience deep jungle virgin ponds do not have micros, unless a lake with feeding from rivers, those micro we get in ponds are release by humans.

Peat swamp will normally get bujuk n bunga....damn I miss those days....

hermandrum

12-10-2008, 5:36 AM

skrab bought a new marulia.... very nice... full of white dots

skareb

12-10-2008, 7:02 AM

skrab bought a new marulia.... very nice... full of white dots

hahaha...yea thanks to you, anyway the fish is in very bad condition, the lfs I think never feed the fella, the connecting dots are nice and I hope I can groom her to a beauty. According to the lfs this is a wild caught pc the ex owner bought from young.

Anyway here she is, Snakehead from africa

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/3480/day1mb7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By skareb (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/skareb)

tropheus

12-10-2008, 7:05 AM

Snakehead from africa

By skareb (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/skareb)

??????

very nice looking marulia though , should be back in good condition in no time , they have a very quick healing time

cheers col

skareb

12-10-2008, 7:11 AM

the other side

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3614/day1bcd0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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my soon to be food micro

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9248/microur4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By skareb (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/skareb)

hermandrum

12-10-2008, 7:50 AM

??????

very nice looking marulia though , should be back in good condition in no time , they have a very quick healing time

cheers col
can u identify the fish from?? izit thai marulia?

VinLwj

12-10-2008, 9:59 AM

intrxz

12-10-2008, 8:57 PM

your marulia really in bad condition...in a month time u will see the difference. how much u paid for ?

intrxz

12-10-2008, 9:08 PM

mine sold off few months back

skareb

12-10-2008, 9:26 PM

I paid RM100 for this fella, you confirm this is thai marulia? it looks like it

intrxz

12-11-2008, 7:16 PM

rm100 quite reasonable. any other specimen they have there at the LFS?

naser90096

12-12-2008, 3:15 AM

hahaha...yea thanks to you, anyway the fish is in very bad condition, the lfs I think never feed the fella, the connecting dots are nice and I hope I can groom her to a beauty. According to the lfs this is a wild caught pc the ex owner bought from young.

Anyway here she is, Snakehead from africa

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/3480/day1mb7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By skareb (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/skareb)

ai du ... very nice piece ... what's the size..??
is it better to keep them in light base background & bottom or dark base..??

skareb

12-12-2008, 8:51 AM

rm100 quite reasonable. any other specimen they have there at the LFS?

only one he bought from his customer...

ai du ... very nice piece ... what's the size..??
is it better to keep them in light base background & bottom or dark base..??

Thanks...actually dark background is much better, they;re camouflage fish...

Here is the latest shot I took, color is more stable

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5558/bunga1yw3.jpg

intrxz

12-12-2008, 7:41 PM

superb shot bro. hope d damaged fins grow back soon

naser90096

12-12-2008, 10:00 PM

only one he bought from his customer...

Thanks...actually dark background is much better, they;re camouflage fish...

Here is the latest shot I took, color is more stable

wow!! getting nicer already ... so how big is this fella?? u think mine can become something like urs..?? :naughty:

skareb

12-12-2008, 10:08 PM

superb shot bro. hope d damaged fins grow back soon

Thanks bro...yea I hope they can grow back to original without any scars.

wow!! getting nicer already ... so how big is this fella?? u think mine can become something like urs..?? :naughty:

The fish is about 20", About yours I'm not sure, bunga are a tricky fish to play, every fish is an individual which makes them unique, and keeps the chase going. I dun think theres much we can do other than giving them your best TLC, 80% would depend on gene.

from my expirience in fish keeping, a balance diet can help, feed min 50% with live feeder fish, fish scales contain a very unique compound call guanine (i think its spelt that way) this would help your fish to max out the color n scale lustre. gut load your feeder with high quality pellet. By feeding fish you make sure your fish gets all the nutrient it needs.

Then you pump up the fish with superworm to get the shape you want, not like this fella look like come from africa, they contain the highest fat % known, followed by market prawn which of cause contains a lot of carotein which helps in the development of color compound.

Keep a dark background, the fish will adjust itself.
Water quality of top quality,
NH3/4 = 0
NO2 = 0
NO3 below 50PPM
PH 6 or lower
when you fish is of excellent health they will show thier best color...

This fish was kept in a 6x3x3 FGT pack with almost 20 monster fish, I can bet the NO3 is more than 150PPM probably followed by high ammonia. The fish was so washed out and bacteria noid had form in the head and scale was chipping and gilled curled in due to high nitrate exposure, was so badly abused. I hope the fella can have a full recovery.

intrxz

12-13-2008, 2:48 AM

what skareb stated r true. in less than a month u will obtained d max recovery

skareb

12-13-2008, 8:24 PM

what skareb stated r true. in less than a month u will obtained d max recovery

I hope so too:)

Oleoleole

12-14-2008, 11:24 AM

I paid RM100 for this fella, you confirm this is thai marulia? it looks like it
I can confirm it's not thai marulia, it should be marulia from India or south asia.

skareb

12-14-2008, 7:45 PM

I can confirm it's not thai marulia, it should be marulia from India or south asia.

Thanks for the reply, I read back some of the thread, that India Spec you get those vicious teeth, this pc has very very fine blunt teeth, nothing of the obvious

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/6928/teethln0.jpg

I've sent the pic to a fren of mine whom are fish exporter n breeder for 20 years, he too gets confused, according to him the long slender shape makes it look like marulia, the white spotting also says marulia, but the head and pattern look maruliodes. But he is leaning more to Thai spec maybe some remote area which isnt familiar.

Any chance this is a cross bred?

naser90096

12-15-2008, 2:47 AM

Thanks bro...yea I hope they can grow back to original without any scars.

The fish is about 20", About yours I'm not sure, bunga are a tricky fish to play, every fish is an individual which makes them unique, and keeps the chase going. I dun think theres much we can do other than giving them your best TLC, 80% would depend on gene.

from my expirience in fish keeping, a balance diet can help, feed min 50% with live feeder fish, fish scales contain a very unique compound call guanine (i think its spelt that way) this would help your fish to max out the color n scale lustre. gut load your feeder with high quality pellet. By feeding fish you make sure your fish gets all the nutrient it needs.

Then you pump up the fish with superworm to get the shape you want, not like this fella look like come from africa, they contain the highest fat % known, followed by market prawn which of cause contains a lot of carotein which helps in the development of color compound.

Keep a dark background, the fish will adjust itself.
Water quality of top quality,
NH3/4 = 0
NO2 = 0
NO3 below 50PPM
PH 6 or lower
when you fish is of excellent health they will show thier best color...

This fish was kept in a 6x3x3 FGT pack with almost 20 monster fish, I can bet the NO3 is more than 150PPM probably followed by high ammonia. The fish was so washed out and bacteria noid had form in the head and scale was chipping and gilled curled in due to high nitrate exposure, was so badly abused. I hope the fella can have a full recovery.

thx bro for ur info ...

what type of feeders are u refering to..?? i'm feeding mine a mixture of goldfish n platy ... oso giving mp now.

tropheus

12-15-2008, 9:12 AM

teeth are as maruliodes in that pic , but every thing else shouts marulia. it is maybe the fact that some marulia have the same rounded teeth that maruliodes has but we just do not relise it yet.

i have only personally checked inside of the mouth of indian marula and pseudomarulia and both of those posess the pointed standard maruilia teeth pattern.

real shame we do not know the true locality of this specamin

cheers col

skareb

12-15-2008, 7:17 PM

thx bro for ur info ...

what type of feeders are u refering to..?? i'm feeding mine a mixture of goldfish n platy ... oso giving mp now.

temporary tilapia only, they're so greedy its easy to gut load.

teeth are as maruliodes in that pic , but every thing else shouts marulia. it is maybe the fact that some marulia have the same rounded teeth that maruliodes has but we just do not relise it yet.

i have only personally checked inside of the mouth of indian marula and pseudomarulia and both of those posess the pointed standard maruilia teeth pattern.

real shame we do not know the true locality of this specamin

cheers col

Yea its a shame we've no idea of the origin..

skareb

12-15-2008, 9:05 PM

Another thing I forgot to mention is TDS should be kept below 100 for optimum result.

Oleoleole

12-16-2008, 9:37 AM

Thanks for the reply, I read back some of the thread, that India Spec you get those vicious teeth, this pc has very very fine blunt teeth, nothing of the obvious

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/6928/teethln0.jpg

I've sent the pic to a fren of mine whom are fish exporter n breeder for 20 years, he too gets confused, according to him the long slender shape makes it look like marulia, the white spotting also says marulia, but the head and pattern look maruliodes. But he is leaning more to Thai spec maybe some remote area which isnt familiar.

Any chance this is a cross bred?
It's different from Thai marulia everything. All spec of marulia that found in Thailand and SEA not like this spec. Don't forget a lot of variety of marulia from south asia too. In case of cross breeding, I don't think so.
I think I found marulia that look like this spec (except head shape) in LFS in BKK last week, size 16" but I don't interesting and take pic because its body is curve. LFS call it as Indain marulia. I will go back to compare it again.

skareb

12-16-2008, 9:42 PM

It's different from Thai marulia everything. All spec of marulia that found in Thailand and SEA not like this spec. Don't forget a lot of variety of marulia from south asia too. In case of cross breeding, I don't think so.
I think I found marulia that look like this spec (except head shape) in LFS in BKK last week, size 16" but I don't interesting and take pic because its body is curve. LFS call it as Indain marulia. I will go back to compare it again.

Thank you for the trouble, hope we can solve the mystery soon.

skareb

12-19-2008, 5:18 AM

was at KOK aquarium PJ old town just now, they've a lot of bunga, 6-8" RM8 and 12-18" RM50, quality so so only for the bigger ones,

skareb

12-29-2008, 11:25 PM

Latest pic, the finns has grow back 80%, fish is slightly fatter, but very skittish fella, will swim only when no ones around.

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/4233/bungavs5.jpg

PhullTank57

12-30-2008, 12:16 AM

Wow! it is looking very nice, scareb! Good job nourishing back to health.

Will look even nicer as time passes by! :thumbsup:

skareb

12-30-2008, 2:43 AM

anyone interested I'll let go for RM100 same price I got this, you can continue the grooming as the LFS said he might get a wild caught for me by next month when the flood stop in trengganu.

naser90096

12-30-2008, 3:15 AM

skareb

12-30-2008, 3:49 AM

wow!! great recovery ...

so bro, is it still called toman bunga or something else..??

btw, what's the growth rate for this fella?? mine is ard 15-16", with frequent water change & gd feeding, normally how fast do they grow?? any chance to stunt or slow down the growth?? cos mine is kept in a 3X2X2ft tank for now ...

thanks bro, dun think you can stunt them on a 3 footer, however, they'll never reach thier maximum size.

This fella I've still no idea from where it came from no one seem to be able to identify 100%