View Full Version : Urgent.... Need help and advice
Hi, HAPPY MERRY CHRISTMAS to everyone.
I got one big, one small stingray and 5 comet(5inch) in 10ft tank. Since the big stingray ate one comet, and this big stingray never intake anything already 5 days.
i'm sure that's not water temperature, ph, water quality. I also do change water every week 50%. Because i check all of this. And the small stingray keep eating and eating. Only the big one in trouble in this moment.
Is there any PRO Monster Fish keeper may give me some advice??
I'm worry about the stingray can't starving.... getting slim.:cry:
ashleysomething
12-25-2008, 7:17 PM
we've had some great success with uncoated vitamin b1. i've heard vitamin b12 works too, but make sure it's not coated.
keep temperature at 30 degrees C, or 86 degrees F.
try changing up the foods, too. earthworms and black worms generally do very well. if that doesn't work, try raw market shrimp.
hope that helps.
and good luck!
wetsocks
12-25-2008, 7:23 PM
[quote=ashleysomething;2573917;]we've had some great success with uncoated vitamin b1. i've heard vitamin b12 works too, but make sure it's not coated.
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i never hear of that before?
so you just buy Vitamin B1 from the store and feed it to the ray?
i have a similar problem, will it help?
sodenoshirayuki
12-25-2008, 7:32 PM
feeding strikes with rays are pretty common, nothing really to worry about. Itll probably start eating again in a few days.
ashleysomething
12-25-2008, 7:52 PM
[quote=ashleysomething;2573917;]we've had some great success with uncoated vitamin b1. i've heard vitamin b12 works too, but make sure it's not coated.
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i never hear of that before?
so you just buy Vitamin B1 from the store and feed it to the ray?
i have a similar problem, will it help?
what we've done is crushed it up (put the vitamin in a folded piece of paper so crumbs will not fly everywhere and we just smashed it with a hammer, ha). and then we added the powder to the water slowly.
we just bought ours from wal-mart.
hopefully that works for you like it has for us.
keep the tank warm and dark.... cover it if needed to keep light out of it and offer worms.... KISS is so fricking simple
[quote=wetsocks;2573926;]
what we've done is crushed it up (put the vitamin in a folded piece of paper so crumbs will not fly everywhere and we just smashed it with a hammer, ha). and then we added the powder to the water slowly.
we just bought ours from wal-mart.
hopefully that works for you like it has for us.
how long have you guys been keeping rays..........just curious
ashleysomething
12-25-2008, 8:58 PM
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how long have you guys been keeping rays..........just curious
we got our first ray in october. :)
armac
12-26-2008, 11:00 AM
With only a month or two experience, are you comfortable giving out advice?
Tom500
12-26-2008, 11:03 AM
I hope it pulls through but stingrays can fast randomly so it will probably be ok.
ashleysomething
12-26-2008, 11:23 AM
With only a month or two experience, are you comfortable giving out advice?
Yes. I do.
We do our research, and we're learning. I'm always open to be corrected. I feel like if anything, giving out advice helps us learn because there's always someone more experienced than me that will be able to be right behind me with better suggestions or corrections.
I didn't realize there was a minimum ray-keeping period to be able to give out advice. As far as I'm concerned, someone could learn a lot more from those who have the perspective that we do rather than someone going around saying that people are not qualified to give advice.
Not only that, but you have no idea the amount of time we put into stingrays... or how much they mean to us. We are constantly learning about them. Where most people treat them like the next exotic fish, we're treating them much like our mammal pets.
If you felt there was something wrong with my advice, maybe you could just say that so we can all learn from it. And if you're wanting to help a new MFK member, it would be a lot more respectable for you to message them instead of question their adequacy publicly.
wetsocks
12-26-2008, 6:55 PM
thx ashleysomthing,
i'll try that out tomorrow.
btw, how many tables/ dosage do you use?
many thx.
thx ashleysomthing,
i'll try that out tomorrow.
btw, how many tables/ dosage do you use?
many thx.
every breeder all over this world i have spoke to has never heard or will try this.... it may work but im all for kiss and would try the dark warm tank first... this usuall never fails....`
abortedsoul
12-26-2008, 8:28 PM
every breeder all over this world i have spoke to has never heard or will try this.... it may work but im all for kiss and would try the dark warm tank first... this usuall never fails....`
You might not have spoken to this one:
also,,,,,,,,,you may want to try vitamin B1 & B12 tablets (dry pills,not gell or gell coated you can buy at any phamacy) in your filter.
As the Vitamins desolve they add to the water what the ray maybe missing and B12 will usually kick-start hunger and feeding
I've heard it recommended a few times, it is found naturally in their diet and it probably helped in our case. Keeping it dark and warm is also good thing with almost anything wrong with your rays, and it is worth a try.
abortedsoul
12-26-2008, 8:31 PM
thx ashleysomthing,
i'll try that out tomorrow.
btw, how many tables/ dosage do you use?
many thx.
We used 1/2 standard tablet size (250mg of B1, listed in the nutritional value section on the bottle) per 50 gallons. That is what was recommended to us, we tried it, and it appeared to have worked.
Have you tried offering the ray different foods? I've heard of rays refusing blackworms and gobbling down pellets; might be worth a try, if it does get beyond what you feel comfortable with or you have the other foods lying about.
Good luck, and hope the little sucker gets back to chowin' down again! :headbang2
You might not have spoken to this one:
I've heard it recommended a few times, it is found naturally in their diet and it probably helped in our case. Keeping it dark and warm is also good thing with almost anything wrong with your rays, and it is worth a try.
only person i have ever spoken that has said it.... i support KISS and have bred rays just keeping it real simple.... ray dont eat... warm dark tank and live worms never has failed me yet
abortedsoul
12-26-2008, 8:36 PM
only person i have ever spoken that has said it.... i support KISS and have bred rays just keeping it real simple.... ray dont eat... warm dark tank and live worms never has failed me yet
We need a sticky/thread for things like this. Maybe a treatment thread? I'll see if I can find anything on it, or if miles or anyone else has any material lying around to get it started.
With only a month or two experience, are you comfortable giving out advice?
Sometimes I like you so much because we think so much alike..
but then sometimes I don't ;)
mmmmmm..
Ok let's not derail but the Vitamin B1 I believe is stated in alot of the stingray books because Dr. Richard Ross was an advocate of supplementing vitamin B, especially when feeding goldfish because they contain thiaminase which makes some fish thiamin deficient..
My only thought ... aren't most vitamins water soluble? ie: useless unless ingested...? (this is why pelleted food is more nutritionally advanced.. beblondie has a great thread/post about vitamin consumption) http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65770&highlight=vitamin+thiaminase&page=3
Goldfish have sharp spines.. could have poked him in the stomach and he just need time to heal.
Goldfish could of been 'copperized' from treatment - but these sounded like pet goldfish not feeder goldfish so they probably weren't 'copperized' recently..
Could of had a disease - but the other rays and goldfish would likely show signs..
offer live worms... keep the tank warm and dark... motorrrrros are tough you should be fine.. I wouldnt worry for another week or so
abortedsoul
12-27-2008, 1:38 AM
I'm only posting this because it is related to the original question.
My only thought ... aren't most vitamins water soluble? ie: useless unless ingested...?
Not to be contrary here, but I think you have it a bit backwards Miles. I'm no vitamin expert, but I do know a bit about chemistry and biology and "water soluble" simply means that it dissolves in water. "Fat Soluble" would mean that it doesn't dissolve in water, and would therefore need to be eaten.
I'm also no expert on elasmobranch physiology, but I just figured that it was worth mentioning. :)
yeah that is what I said..
but I think fish have to ingest both types in order for them to be effective..
Fish can't absorb or render it useful once it's in the water... atleast that is my understanding?
Read that link I posted up you will like the nutrition section.. It says at the bottom of the nutrition part that Vitamin B12 loses 90% of its potency within 30 seconds of going in the water..
abortedsoul
12-27-2008, 11:11 AM
yeah that is what I said..
but I think fish have to ingest both types in order for them to be effective..
Fish can't absorb or render it useful once it's in the water... atleast that is my understanding?
Read that link I posted up you will like the nutrition section.. It says at the bottom of the nutrition part that Vitamin B12 loses 90% of its potency within 30 seconds of going in the water..
I read the link you posted; I'm not certain on this, but at least try to follow the reasoning behind my incomplete understanding on the subject.
premise:
1. Vitamin B1 kick-starts ray hunger.
2. Prazi Pro is water soluble. It becomes very diffuse when put into a tank, and it somehow enters the digestive system of rays by some other means besides being consumed. While there, it can still be in high enough concentrations that it has a meaningful effect (i.e. eliminate gut parasites).
Method of Reasoning:
Even at 10% Potency (or much less), when left to be absorbed in a way similar to Prazi, there should still be some meaningful absorption of B1, even if it is only absorbed in the digestive tract in a similar manner as Prazi.
Conclusion:
Adding B1 to the water leads to stingray hunger.
I know, there are quite a lot of holes there. I am thinking that if there is anything useless about the practice, then it is caused by the fact that B1 doesn't in-fact stimulate hunger in rays. I've tried it, it appeared to have worked but the fact that it might have been a coincidence can't be ruled out. Fortunately, I don't have like 20 tanks full of rays refusing to eat, so I can't test out the idea. :)
wetsocks
12-27-2008, 7:35 PM
I know, there are quite a lot of holes there. I am thinking that if there is anything useless about the practice, then it is caused by the fact that B1 doesn't in-fact stimulate hunger in rays. I've tried it, it appeared to have worked but the fact that it might have been a coincidence can't be ruled out. Fortunately, I don't have like 20 tanks full of rays refusing to eat, so I can't test out the idea. :)
i've tried it today, and it seem to work. the ray is taking live shrimps at the minute.
however, i notice that the water goes very cloudy when i added B1 into water, even spending 15mins mixing the crush powder with water before adding into the tank.
armac
01-01-2009, 10:47 AM
Sometimes I like you so much because we think so much alike..
but then sometimes I don't ;)
Hey Miles, had your court date yet?;)