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hi guys,
anyone here keeps pb? i've just started keeping them cos i just love the green color on them and of course not forgeting the peacock like eye at the tail :hearts: . bought a pair of 2 inches pb to start off with. hoping to learn somehting about them from members here.
DanDanUK
06-12-2005, 7:37 AM
For starter's mate do you realize how big they can grow???
redtailfool
06-12-2005, 8:54 AM
For starter's mate do you realize how big they can grow???
Danny those are grown in the river. They would not hit that size in the home aquaria. We must realize that max size in the wild will differ against the size fish
will hit in aquariums.
piranha45
06-12-2005, 11:05 AM
Danny those are grown in the river. They would not hit that size in the home aquaria. We must realize that max size in the wild will differ against the size fish
will hit in aquariums.
Or maybe people just aren't keeping them in the aquarium sizes they need... perhaps the small peacock bass found in the aquaria are a sign that 240g is not suitable for life, for Temensis at the very least. Only speculation, since I have no hard evidence, but I think its still a very viable argument.
xrtg a 125g would prolly work for a year or two, depending on your peacock's specie... since you're in singapore, I don't have any clue whether temensis is regularly available there or not. Temensis is the biggest specie, which can reach 3 feet. The other two species available, ocellaris and monoculus, max around 2 feet.
peacock bass make good tankmates for arrows and datnoids and most large popular fish for that matter. Feed them the same stuff you feed your other fish, and keep them at the same temp you keep your other fish. But if possible, it would be best to feed your peacocks live feeder fish such as barbs or platies; peacocks are fish-eaters in the wild, and so they'd appreciate live food the most. Expect growth around 1" a month till maybe 8" or so.
Hi guys,
Thanks for the info on the growth rate and max size. Currently they are housed in a 3 feet tank. I'll house them there till they reach 6~8 inches else my arowanas will make a meal out of them. They will be transfered to my 5feet tank once they reach that size. :)
Depending on situation, if i fail to get a larger tank when they out grow my 5feet tank, I'll release them back to the reservoir where many other pb can be found. :)
I can't tell the breed of pb i'm having as the pictures on the web are all about huge adults. How can I tell?
PeacockBass
06-13-2005, 1:25 AM
Danny those are grown in the river. They would not hit that size in the home aquaria. We must realize that max size in the wild will differ against the size fish
will hit in aquariums.
Oh?
Please, tell me why. Tell me why a tank raised fish will automatically me smaller then a wild fish.
Elaborate, please.
P45 is correct.
yes. please tell us why this is so. :)
any ideas on what type of peacock bass they are? :)
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=564/medium/13_June_2005_001.jpg
e!o!z!
06-13-2005, 10:08 AM
size of a tank even a huge tank like 1000 gallons does not come even close to the miles of river that fish in the wild have to roam. That is the major reason the second would be volume of food. Your tank would be a consist mess if you tried to feed the fish like it eats in the wild.
iheartfishies
06-13-2005, 9:48 PM
I've killed 3 PB's!
3!!
I've also killed 3 SILVERS.
3!!!
That makes me cry.
Good luck to you sir.
I don't know ANYONE else who has killed Pb's.
Only I. :cry:
rayman45
06-13-2005, 10:11 PM
haha
ashdavid
06-13-2005, 10:35 PM
Or maybe people just aren't keeping them in the aquarium sizes they need... perhaps the small peacock bass found in the aquaria are a sign that 240g is not suitable for life, for Temensis at the very least. Only speculation, since I have no hard evidence, but I think its still a very viable argument.
xrtg a 125g would prolly work for a year or two, depending on your peacock's specie... since you're in singapore, I don't have any clue whether temensis is regularly available there or not. Temensis is the biggest specie, which can reach 3 feet. The other two species available, ocellaris and monoculus, max around 2 feet.
Firstly, I agree with P45 most of the time Pbass are not given a suitable tank size in the first place.
size of a tank even a huge tank like 1000 gallons does not come even close to the miles of river that fish in the wild have to roam. That is the major reason the second would be volume of food. Your tank would be a consist mess if you tried to feed the fish like it eats in the wild.
But if given a big tank, and 1000g is not a big tank for a Pbass, Imo depending on the footprint 1000g would be fine for a Pbass, what I am talking about is a really big tank, then the possiblity for a captive Pbass to grow as big as a wild one is definately there. Sure swimming room will be more restricted than the wild but quality and quantities of food could be greater and better than the wild, not to mention more frequent, and about filters not handling the bio-load is totaly false, there are filters that will get nutrients in the water to match or even lower than the wild. :)
The TRUST
06-13-2005, 11:38 PM
ashdavid,
that would be very cool if you get into Peacock Bass. Seeing so many nice specimens in Japan you are lucky to have to have so many nice rare specimens available to you there.
PeacockBass
06-14-2005, 2:12 AM
size of a tank even a huge tank like 1000 gallons does not come even close to the miles of river that fish in the wild have to roam. That is the major reason the second would be volume of food. Your tank would be a consist mess if you tried to feed the fish like it eats in the wild.
Incorrect.
Cichla dont migrate. They dont "Use up" the entire river.
Do you use the entire world to walk around? NO, you walk around your house and drive to the store.
Cichla set up large territories. Just as most cichlids.
As long as the cichla has room to swim around and "jolt" in times of feeding, thats all the room they need. a 2000-3000gallon tank is perfect. Although a 5000gallon tank would be the best idea if you had unlimited funds.
Also- Captive raised fish eat more then wild fish. Unless of course you moderate their feeding.. something I dont recomend with cichla, especially while they are under 12 inches.
swiming space does not limit growth UNLESS its in the extremes.. such as 100gallon tanks or smaller. Even then, Temp, Water quality, and Food are the limiting factors in growth.
ashdavid
06-14-2005, 2:54 AM
ashdavid,
that would be very cool if you get into Peacock Bass. Seeing so many nice specimens in Japan you are lucky to have to have so many nice rare specimens available to you there.
I am seriously considering it, the only problem is that I a bit worried about them eating my firemouths and convicts ect. I agree with you there, we have some of the rarest fish here, it is unbelieveable. :)
ashdavid
06-14-2005, 2:57 AM
As long as the cichla has room to swim around and "jolt" in times of feeding, thats all the room they need. a 2000-3000gallon tank is perfect. Although a 5000gallon tank would be the best idea if you had unlimited funds.
If I had unlimited funds I would not be stoping at 5000g's!LOL :drool: Sorry for the extra post. :topic:
PeacockBass
06-14-2005, 7:19 PM
hahah either would I brother, either would I.
anybody keeps this type of pb? looks nice. :drool:
i don't think my small buggers will look like this..
http://www.peacockbassonline.com/images/facts_butterfly.jpg
PeacockBass
06-15-2005, 10:37 PM
anybody keeps this type of pb? looks nice. :drool:
i don't think my small buggers will look like this..
http://www.peacockbassonline.com/images/facts_butterfly.jpg
that is cichla orinocensis.
yes a few people are keeping these.
that is cichla orinocensis.
yes a few people are keeping these.
do you happen to know any links or writeups on these amazing fish? i'd like to read more about it. :)
thanks in advance.
PeacockBass
06-15-2005, 10:59 PM
Ask me anyquestions you have.
I will be glad to tell you everything about these fish.
Ask me anyquestions you have.
I will be glad to tell you everything about these fish.
how old will they have to grow till they mature? and how big would they be by then. :)
PeacockBass
06-16-2005, 2:14 AM
how old will they have to grow till they mature? and how big would they be by then. :)
It is said to be around 2-3 years for sexual maturity.
The size will varry depending on diet and tank size. But expect a 15+ inch fish.
It is said to be around 2-3 years for sexual maturity.
The size will varry depending on diet and tank size. But expect a 15+ inch fish.
thanks. 15+ inches is good
from that we would only be able to tell the males from the females at maturity? or can we tell them earlier. :)
Mr_Fantasy
06-16-2005, 2:57 AM
I've a 6" Emperpr bass, & i think it is an amazing fish. For a start, it is veri hardly, and seems 2 do well in any water condition. I'm having it alone in a 2 ft tank tank 4 the time being, b4 transferring it 2 my 4ft. It is super territorial, and can't stand tankmates.
It was most fascinating come feeding time. I feed my bass feeder catfishes. The bass just engulfs its prey with such speed, and precision. It'll gorge itself full after each feeding.
Right now, I'm hoping its colour & design will turn out better as it grows bigger.
I've a 6" Emperpr bass, & i think it is an amazing fish. For a start, it is veri hardly, and seems 2 do well in any water condition. I'm having it alone in a 2 ft tank tank 4 the time being, b4 transferring it 2 my 4ft. It is super territorial, and can't stand tankmates.
It was most fascinating come feeding time. I feed my bass feeder catfishes. The bass just engulfs its prey with such speed, and precision. It'll gorge itself full after each feeding.
Right now, I'm hoping its colour & design will turn out better as it grows bigger.
wow. an emperor bass. do you have any pictures of it? i'm still growing my tiny tiny peacock bass. hope they'll grow up real soon so that i can add them into my main tank. :)
PeacockBass
06-16-2005, 4:12 PM
thanks. 15+ inches is good
from that we would only be able to tell the males from the females at maturity? or can we tell them earlier. :)
15+ for sexual maturity... NOT max size... Cichla Orinocensis is the second largest and usually reaches sizes comparable to Temensis... 28-36 inches.
You can easily vent these fish at around 12 inches IME.
There isnt much difference in color. unless they are spawning.
The TRUST
06-16-2005, 4:31 PM
I am seriously considering it, the only problem is that I a bit worried about them eating my firemouths and convicts ect. I agree with you there, we have some of the rarest fish here, it is unbelieveable. :)
U can't be serious????? You're worrying about firemouths and convicts???? Convicst are like a plague. they breed like almost non stop. Once you get some big Cichlas in there you'll forget about them. Might actually be cool watching the Peacock bass hunt them down. hehehehe
U can't be serious????? You're worrying about firemouths and convicts???? Convicst are like a plague. they breed like almost non stop. Once you get some big Cichlas in there you'll forget about them. Might actually be cool watching the Peacock bass hunt them down. hehehehe
OMG!!!:eek:
streaker442
06-16-2005, 5:33 PM
i want a bigger pb but ti cant find more then like 2 inches
The TRUST
06-16-2005, 5:36 PM
OMG!!!:eek:
Actually I had a friend that did something similar. He had african cichlids with tons of rockwork. Really hard to catch all the fish in there. He wanted to move to big predators. So after an hour of trying to scoop fish out. He said F@CK IT! Went to the Pet shop and got a bunch of red snakeheads. The African cichlids never had a chance. LOL!
i want a bigger pb but ti cant find more then like 2 inches
They're fast growing fishes. Just feed them alot daily soon you'll have a monster.;)
MouthWash
06-16-2005, 6:25 PM
use sand as a substrate and they will be happy monsters.feed them leeches and crawdads for food.
use sand as a substrate and they will be happy monsters.feed them leeches and crawdads for food.
Leeches?:eek: This is something new to me...:D
ashdavid
06-16-2005, 11:17 PM
U can't be serious????? You're worrying about firemouths and convicts???? Convicst are like a plague. they breed like almost non stop. Once you get some big Cichlas in there you'll forget about them. Might actually be cool watching the Peacock bass hunt them down. hehehehe
Yeah it is sad. But if I was going to have my small cichlids eaten I would probably go with a snakehead. Has anyone keep snakeheads with big cichlids?
piranha45
06-17-2005, 12:05 AM
Yeah it is sad. But if I was going to have my small cichlids eaten I would probably go with a snakehead. Has anyone keep snakeheads with big cichlids?
I've never heard of anyone keeping a micropeltes or marulius in an appropriate-sized tank/pond, nor of anyone who's kept them with large adult American cichlids. I've read of cramped 15-20" giant snakeheads destroying juvenile cichlids though.
rayman fed a 6" devil to his 30" red sh, the sh apparently had no trouble gulping that specimen. They were not raised together though, as yours would be.
ashdavid
06-17-2005, 12:43 AM
I've never heard of anyone keeping a micropeltes or marulius in an appropriate-sized tank/pond, nor of anyone who's kept them with large adult American cichlids. I've read of cramped 15-20" giant snakeheads destroying juvenile cichlids though.
rayman fed a 6" devil to his 30" red sh, the sh apparently had no trouble gulping that specimen. They were not raised together though, as yours would be.
I wouldn't mind putting in a micropeltes, but I just dont have the guts to yet. I might just give it a try.
The TRUST
06-17-2005, 12:49 AM
Yeah it is sad. But if I was going to have my small cichlids eaten I would probably go with a snakehead. Has anyone keep snakeheads with big cichlids?
Well most of the SHs I have seen with big cichlids like Midas get their asses beaten. Unless of course the cichlids are bite size.
Since ur in Japan you should try getting Channa pleuropthalma. very cool fish with very nice blue colorration.
Although I know that in my experiences, Snakeheads and gars get along really well.
piranha45
06-17-2005, 12:53 AM
well yeah, im sure any mid-sized snakehead specie will do great with cichlids, if it doesn't get harassed too much by the cichlids. i like to focus on the monsters though when it comes to channa :D only for channa though :P
ashdavid
06-17-2005, 12:56 AM
Well most of the SHs I have seen with big cichlids like Midas get their asses beaten. Unless of course the cichlids are bite size.
Since ur in Japan you should try getting Channa pleuropthalma. very cool fish with very nice blue colorration.
Although I know that in my experiences, Snakeheads and gars get along really well.
What do they look like, how big do they grow?
The TRUST
06-17-2005, 1:02 AM
Here's a juvenile
http://www.snakeheads.org/images/pleurophthalma/cPleurophthalmaFukumini00.jpg
Here is an older one but not a full adult yet.
http://www.snakeheads.org/images/pleurophthalma/cPleurophthalmaChannaGrooveCafe06.JPG
http://www.snakeheads.org/images/pleurophthalma/cPleurophthalmaChannaGrooveCafe02.JPG
They get big but not MASSIVE like micropeltes.
ashdavid
06-17-2005, 1:06 AM
Here's a juvenile
Here is an older one but not a full adult yet.
http://www.snakeheads.org/images/pleurophthalma/cPleurophthalmaChannaGrooveCafe06.JPG
They get big but not MASSIVE like micropeltes.
That is a nice fish. :drool: I will have to do some searching to find out where I can get one.
The TRUST
06-17-2005, 1:08 AM
David,
Check this video out
Snakehead vs Red Devil.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/2942
hehehehhhee that answers ur question on Snakeheads and cichlids. But opposite to my original reply. LOL!
piranha45
06-17-2005, 1:09 AM
don't hesitate to bag on him about the tank, i had to let some steam out on him yesterday myself
The TRUST
06-17-2005, 1:11 AM
Yeah. We're still waiting for him to move that killer into a bigger tank
neoprodigy
06-17-2005, 1:15 AM
he got a new tanks coming.. :)
ashdavid
06-17-2005, 1:16 AM
Nice! :cry: I still should give it a go. :hitting:
piranha45
06-17-2005, 1:16 AM
and neither of them are any bigger than the tank its already in
The TRUST
06-17-2005, 1:16 AM
Nice! :cry: I still should give it a go. :hitting:
Before u throw in a snakehead in your tank to clean out all your cichlids, please take a vid :D
neoprodigy
06-17-2005, 1:20 AM
he will do a Snakehead only tank...
ashdavid
06-17-2005, 1:21 AM
Before u throw in a snakehead in your tank to clean out all your cichlids, please take a vid :D
Ha,Ha, I'll do my best. :22_yikes:
The TRUST
06-17-2005, 1:21 AM
Use a tripod. Trust me u'd get too exicted the cam will jigle a lot. LOL!
ashdavid
06-17-2005, 1:24 AM
gotcha. :headbang2
The TRUST
06-17-2005, 1:26 AM
I will hear audio like:
-SUBARASHIIZO!
-KAKKOII DARO!
-NANDA SORIYA!
Ahahhahahaha
neoprodigy
06-17-2005, 1:32 AM
hahaha.... jed slip couple japanese... LOL....
PeacockBass
06-17-2005, 2:24 AM
Hey!! THIS IS A CICHLA THREAD!! NOT A CHANNA THREAD!!'
Go back to your swamps you Channa loving bastards!
The TRUST
06-17-2005, 2:31 AM
Ahahahhahaha!
ashdavid
06-17-2005, 2:44 AM
I will hear audio like:
-SUBARASHIIZO!
-KAKKOII DARO!
-NANDA SORIYA!
Ahahhahahaha
I am from the kansai area so we don't say those kakkowarui words down here. Haha, lol Can you speak Japanese Trust?
I wonder if we mixed peacocks and snake heads....who would win the war.....it would be a crazy sight to see :screwy:
The TRUST
06-17-2005, 9:15 AM
I am from the kansai area so we don't say those kakkowarui words down here. Haha, lol Can you speak Japanese Trust?
LOL! Wasuremashta! Kansaiben dah!
Sukoshi dake :cry:
fester
06-19-2005, 8:23 PM
HELL YA!
hi guys,
managed to get my hands on another cute little peacock bass. :) this one looks diffrent from the ones i currently have. anyone have any ideas on what type of peacock bass is this?
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=573/medium/new_comer.JPG
its diffrent in term of its horizontal black line it has. the others that i've got has 3 disntict black stripes or spots. :)
Here's the diffrence.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=573/medium/new_bass1.JPG
PeacockBass
07-06-2005, 5:15 AM
That is a CIchla Temensis.
THose others are either Ocellaris or Monoculus.
great babies!
That is a CIchla Temensis.
THose others are either Ocellaris or Monoculus.
great babies!
thanks. both looks nice.
they are also very gready. look at their tummies.......bloated as they suck in small pieces of market prawns.
Peanut_Power
07-07-2005, 12:32 AM
Well, you've gone and done it!! Now your gonna be hooked on pbass for life!! They are absolutely pimp fish eh? First of all, you will want a lot of Ich treatment on hand. These guys are notorious for gettin ich when they are small...or even when they are large...but more so at smaller sizes. One thing that really helps is to keep the temp of the water high...like in the 82 to 84 degrees range...that seems to help keep the ich away. Secondly...i know its really kewl to see these guys smack those feeder fish, but you should really get them offa them as soon as possible. Cocktail shrimp, bloodworms, mysis shrimp are some great foods for baby pbass. Also, they seem to like to be in larger groups when they are smaller...so if you can get a couple more...say at least 3 more. Hope that helps some dude...and i hope you do have a larger tank for when they get larger. They WILL get large...no doubt of that...min. tank size you are gonna need is a 300gal...and that is really pushing it. Cheers,
Jer
Well, you've gone and done it!! Now your gonna be hooked on pbass for life!! They are absolutely pimp fish eh? First of all, you will want a lot of Ich treatment on hand. These guys are notorious for gettin ich when they are small...or even when they are large...but more so at smaller sizes. One thing that really helps is to keep the temp of the water high...like in the 82 to 84 degrees range...that seems to help keep the ich away. Secondly...i know its really kewl to see these guys smack those feeder fish, but you should really get them offa them as soon as possible. Cocktail shrimp, bloodworms, mysis shrimp are some great foods for baby pbass. Also, they seem to like to be in larger groups when they are smaller...so if you can get a couple more...say at least 3 more. Hope that helps some dude...and i hope you do have a larger tank for when they get larger. They WILL get large...no doubt of that...min. tank size you are gonna need is a 300gal...and that is really pushing it. Cheers,
Jer
yeah man. staring to like them more and more. quite cool when you see them snatch food from my albibno angels. i've already go them off feeders and they are now on market prawn diet. hoping to get them off market prawn and into pellets when the grow larger.
i'll stick to 3 of them for the time being cos i'll have problems housing them if i get more. :)
dialphantom
07-08-2005, 10:11 PM
i want some pb
i want some pb
then go get some. hehehe :)
redtailfool
07-08-2005, 10:37 PM
Or maybe people just aren't keeping them in the aquarium sizes they need... perhaps the small peacock bass found in the aquaria are a sign that 240g is not suitable for life, for Temensis at the very least. Only speculation, since I have no hard evidence, but I think its still a very viable argument.
xrtg a 125g would prolly work for a year or two, depending on your peacock's specie... since you're in singapore, I don't have any clue whether temensis is regularly available there or not. Temensis is the biggest specie, which can reach 3 feet. The other two species available, ocellaris and monoculus, max around 2 feet.
peacock bass make good tankmates for arrows and datnoids and most large popular fish for that matter. Feed them the same stuff you feed your other fish, and keep them at the same temp you keep your other fish. But if possible, it would be best to feed your peacocks live feeder fish such as barbs or platies; peacocks are fish-eaters in the wild, and so they'd appreciate live food the most. Expect growth around 1" a month till maybe 8" or so.
Just saw this thread again.
P45 - Exactly. How many home aquariums do you know have a capacity of at least 1 thousand gallons? How many here on this board?? less than 5 i would assume out of how many members we currently have?
I had the experience of owning a pond that was 15 ft long and 5 ft wide. I kept
hybrid tilapias and cichlids... pond was filtered properly, water was changed every 2 weeks and food adequate. I gave several pieces of tilapias to a friend who had dirt ponds with running water ( he was breeding apple snails.)... the tilapias i gave him were the smallest runts out of 200 pcs ++ .. in a month it was bigger than the biggest tilapia that i had ! By the way.. he never fed the fish anything.
Anyone care to guess why?
tilapia either like apple snails or filtered the water
i know they filter algae and pythoplankton as juveniles and as soon as they hit breeding age they are harvested in SA (in brazils jungles) farmers will fertilize the water and the algae will bloom while the tilapia are put in as juveniles
redtailfool
07-08-2005, 10:50 PM
The ones i gave were about 7-8 inches. Still juvies. ... they dont eat the snails.
Heres another one, how come asian aros are easily bred in earth ponds and very very rarely in tanks and concrete ponds ? Its common knowledge that fish grow rapildly and attain great sizes in pond than in aquaria. I cant give you concrete "from the book" data but any experienced fish keeper knows that. Why?