Superspot had 3 premature pups... [Archive]

vamptrev

01-07-2009, 9:13 PM

looks like they r premature... they r very small, about 2 to 3 inches. very healthy lookin!! but alot smaller then her first litter...

my armatus was eyeing them like a snack:irked:

im wondering why she had 3 early?? i can tell she still has at least 2 inside her because shes still pretty fat...

will she hold the rest for a few weeks til they r mature? any one have experience w this?

ill get pics of the pups up in a min...

angelo21

01-07-2009, 9:14 PM

that's awesome dude!

vamptrev

01-07-2009, 9:27 PM

that's awesome dude!

thanks!!!

they r in a 50 gal breeder... for size reference...

angelo21

01-07-2009, 9:30 PM

that's pretty sweet! i didn't know there are premature births in the fish world!

turkeyboy85

01-07-2009, 9:32 PM

well lets hope they make it, how early are they? they look fully developed, i have heard of females giving birth then two weeks later releases more pups....

vamptrev

01-07-2009, 9:36 PM

well lets hope they make it, how early are they? they look fully developed, i have heard of females giving birth then two weeks later releases more pups....

maybe im trippin because they just look rely small compared to all the adults.

they look about 2 weeks early...

turkeyboy85

01-07-2009, 9:40 PM

how many pups did you have last time, 2-3" is still small but i think they should be fine. Hystrix and scobina pups are always around 2-3" and they make it

Mrs. Kitty

01-07-2009, 9:41 PM

Congrats on the pups! I hope they make it.

john C

01-07-2009, 9:46 PM

2nd litter isn't she like 1 1/2 years old ?
i think one of Brents leo's had pups then a few days later had a couple more ?
congrats anyways they look good

tonymofo

01-07-2009, 9:47 PM

Congratulations!!!!!, I wonder why they premature??

Save me a female dude!!!!

vamptrev

01-07-2009, 9:51 PM

how many pups did you have last time, 2-3" is still small but i think they should be fine. Hystrix and scobina pups are always around 2-3" and they make it
4 her first litter... i think they will be fine, they r swimmin all over the place already...
Congrats on the pups! I hope they make it.
thanks!
2nd litter isn't she like 1 1/2 years old ?
i think one of Brents leo's had pups then a few days later had a couple more ?
congrats anyways they look good
ya shes prob around that... im hoping she has like 4 more...:nilly:
Congratulations!!!!!, I wonder why they premature??

Save me a female dude!!!!

im not sure... the third one was stuck for a few seconds too..

the weird thing was, my male wasnt even curious at all..

ill deff save u one...

one has a ton of spots... and all the spots are touching...

BRYANT MONSTER

01-07-2009, 9:52 PM

Congrats on the pups

biggfish

01-07-2009, 10:00 PM

Got picks of the parents for comparison?

vamptrev

01-07-2009, 10:08 PM

Congrats on the pups
Thanks!!!
Got picks of the parents for comparison?

here is the mom, but not sure who the dad is... he is either a reg motoro or a MM/motoro

amazongirl

01-07-2009, 10:10 PM

vamptrev

01-07-2009, 10:15 PM

I have seen that pup size can vary from the same parents. Do they still have a yolk sac attached and if so, how big is it? If no yolk I don't know that I'd say that they are necessarily premature.

Keep in mind that rays have 2 uterus- one on each side of midline. It might be possible to have pregnancy occur on both sides simultanously, perhaps with slightly different conception dates or gestation times. I don't know that this has been documented yet, but could be possible?

this might be he case because she is very lop-sided...

ill check on the yolk sacs...

ShadowStryder

01-07-2009, 10:24 PM

Congrats dude, spotting looks good.

vamptrev

01-07-2009, 10:30 PM

Congratulations!!!!!, I wonder why they premature??

Save me a female dude!!!!

all 3 are males:(

Congrats dude, spotting looks good.

thanks..

yolk sacks are all very small... so they r prob not as premature as i thought...

ronin_man

01-07-2009, 11:33 PM

congrats

mauihana2001

01-07-2009, 11:49 PM

Nice job!:headbang2

fastfreddy

01-08-2009, 12:01 AM

Brents ray had 3 premature pups and poped out 4 healthy pups 3 or 4 weeks later. I wouldn't be surprised if your ray does the same thing. Do you see any movement?

vamptrev

01-08-2009, 2:21 AM

congrats
thanks
Nice job!:headbang2
thanks
Brents ray had 3 premature pups and poped out 4 healthy pups 3 or 4 weeks later. I wouldn't be surprised if your ray does the same thing. Do you see any movement?

i think ur right... yes she is still pretty fat w lots of movement.

benzjamin13

01-08-2009, 2:27 AM

Cute little fellas:D

Nic

01-08-2009, 2:49 AM

they dont look very premature...

keepinfish

01-08-2009, 9:36 AM

that is crazy, i have never heard of this. that one looks like he is gonna have great spots.... Good luck man, how many days was she preg?

hbluehunter

01-08-2009, 9:47 AM

Hey post up a pic of that one with the touching spots, might be interested if it's not spoken for..:naughty: But either way would be cool to see it..

Brent

01-08-2009, 10:21 AM

yeah i had three pups than 3 weeks later had for more
the first three died on me though hopefully youll be alright

vamptrev

01-08-2009, 12:32 PM

Cute little fellas:D
thanks
they dont look very premature...
they might not be that small... deff half the size of her first litter...
that is crazy, i have never heard of this. that one looks like he is gonna have great spots.... Good luck man, how many days was she preg?
not sure how many days...
Hey post up a pic of that one with the touching spots, might be interested if it's not spoken for..:naughty: But either way would be cool to see it..
ill try to get pics but it might be hard because the cool one is very very white and its hard to see the spots...
yeah i had three pups than 3 weeks later had for more
the first three died on me though hopefully youll be alright

anything u wish u would have done diff with the three that died, to help keep them alive? did u keep them in the same water as the parents?

Jamieishard

01-08-2009, 1:18 PM

just checking in on the babies i hope they are doing okay.

Bogwoodbruce

01-08-2009, 6:17 PM

Congrats!

vamptrev

01-08-2009, 8:13 PM

just checking in on the babies i hope they are doing okay.

Congrats!

thanks!!!

pics of the nutty spotted one coming right up....

le patron

01-08-2009, 8:16 PM

congrats! they dont look too bad, hope they make it

vamptrev

01-08-2009, 8:24 PM

they look good. they r darkening up nice

check this guy out... ive never seen so many spots, and touching too...

i gues the spots will prob seperate with age...

hbluehunter

01-08-2009, 8:32 PM

He looks sweet :drool:, let me know if you decide to sell him...:D

spotfin

01-08-2009, 8:37 PM

Congrats! Hope these pups do well. My female had a premature pup last fall, 3 weeks early, that was still born I think. He would have been a very impressive ray. He still had the remnants of a yolk sac, it was about 1/3" long.

vamptrev

01-08-2009, 8:51 PM

He looks sweet :drool:, let me know if you decide to sell him...:D
they will all be for sale... as soon as they r strong and eating.
Congrats! Hope these pups do well. My female had a premature pup last fall, 3 weeks early, that was still born I think. He would have been a very impressive ray. He still had the remnants of a yolk sac, it was about 1/3" long.

sorry to hear that.:( how big was it?

spotfin

01-08-2009, 9:48 PM

I think he was about 3 1/4".

vamptrev

01-08-2009, 9:59 PM

I think he was about 3 1/4".

that would prob be a still birth, not premature...

i just tried to measure these little guys and they are about 2 1/4 inches...

keepinfish

01-08-2009, 10:09 PM

that one looks awesome, i cannot believe they are that small....

ShadowStryder

01-08-2009, 10:17 PM

^ Agreed.

turkeyboy85

01-08-2009, 10:24 PM

im thinking that they were getting to much for her to handle so her body flushed them out and kept some of the rays to fully mature

Kolossus

01-08-2009, 11:59 PM

Good luck with the little guys trev.

ShadowStryder

01-09-2009, 3:21 PM

I have seen that pup size can vary from the same parents. Do they still have a yolk sac attached and if so, how big is it? If no yolk I don't know that I'd say that they are necessarily premature.

Keep in mind that rays have 2 uterus- one on each side of midline. It might be possible to have pregnancy occur on both sides simultanously, perhaps with slightly different conception dates or gestation times. I don't know that this has been documented yet, but could be possible?

If this is possible, does this also make it possible for a female to conceive with with two different males. I mean if you have two
different conception dates, who is to say it isn't with two different males.

vamptrev

01-09-2009, 6:49 PM

im thinking that they were getting to much for her to handle so her body flushed them out and kept some of the rays to fully mature
i was thinking the same...
Good luck with the little guys trev.
Thanks
If this is possible, does this also make it possible for a female to conceive with with two different males. I mean if you have two
different conception dates, who is to say it isn't with two different males.

i think its unlikely but could happen...

well, she had 2 more pups last night. both very healthy but still very small. one got bit by the male but its not that bad...

ill get pics soon,

man, the one i took pics of with all the spots, looks totally different then all the others.... time will tell...

fastfreddy

01-09-2009, 6:58 PM

Brents premature pups didn't make it through the nite. I'm sure yours will be o.k.

Juxtaroberto

01-09-2009, 7:00 PM

Ha ha, they're BITE SIZED rays!

vamptrev

01-09-2009, 7:33 PM

Brents premature pups didn't make it through the nite. I'm sure yours will be o.k.
thanks! im sure they will... they were all pretty fat when born
Ha ha, they're BITE SIZED rays!

we were lucky she had them when we were home.. my armatus kept going at them like he was gonna eat them. we had to keep hitting the glass so he wouldnt....

keepinfish

01-09-2009, 7:38 PM

so is she done, see any more movement???

vamptrev

01-09-2009, 8:56 PM

so is she done, see any more movement???

ya shes done... 5 total and she is flat as a pancake...ha ha

Kolossus

01-09-2009, 9:36 PM

5 pups...sweet! Updated pics on the rest and the one with the awesome spotting?

vamptrev

01-09-2009, 10:03 PM

5 pups...sweet! Updated pics on the rest and the one with the awesome spotting?

pics r on page 4... im gonna wait til they darken up a little b4 i take more.

2 of them have the crazy spotting... im wondering if ur MM/motoro is the father...

the weird thing is... wednesday she gave birth to 3 males. thursday she gave birth to 2 females...:screwy: