View Full Version : HELP!!!!!! aro is still alive
dodgefreak8
06-13-2005, 6:06 PM
hey everyone I really need your help here. this morning my aro was in bad shape. kind of just floating around the tank. He is still alive after I changed 50% of the water added salt and raised the temp to 82. I just got home and he is about the same but still alive, so I did a 50% change of water on my 29 added the max dose of salt 1 tablespoon for 5 gallons and added a half dose of melafix. i am also slowly raising the temp to 85. his slime is fine I tried to upright him and move him back and fourth through the water to circulate water through his gills and I shut the lights off. Now what should I do?? help me out
piranha45
06-13-2005, 6:09 PM
I think you've done all you can do, now you just have to sit back and hope. Some fish have the will to make it through these things, but many just die off...
DanDanUK
06-13-2005, 6:10 PM
:cry: Pray !!!! hope he survives :cry:
Why a 50% water change in the first place? Any anti-chlorine been used?
dodgefreak8
06-13-2005, 6:14 PM
sorry i should of told you what I think the problem is. I added seachem flourish excel, flourish iron and a pad that removes phosphate to my tank last night. I did it under the suggested dose but I still think one of these is the culprit. I did use prime as a dechlorinator with the water change but thats why I did it. to get rid of some of the chemicals
dodgefreak8
06-13-2005, 6:21 PM
man this sucks this fish has been my life for the last 6 months. I guess you shouldn't get attatched to fish
sorry i should of told you what I think the problem is. I added seachem flourish excel, flourish iron and a pad that removes phosphate to my tank last night. I did it under the suggested dose but I still think one of these is the culprit. I did use prime as a dechlorinator with the water change but thats why I did it. to get rid of some of the chemicals
But 50% is too much. Your aro could have suffered from ph shock too. To remove those chemcial, you can try adding a bag of active carbon with minor water change,;)
man this sucks this fish has been my life for the last 6 months. I guess you shouldn't get attatched to fish
All fish lovers will...;)
dodgefreak8
06-13-2005, 6:26 PM
seachem guy said that carbon does't affect these chemicals and my ph is out of the tap around 7.2 I keep my ph at 7 so I am still at a loss. also his nostrals are opened up like sores so at first I thought hith but its just his nostrals no other sores. and I did the water change after he was in bad shape so that isn't the cause. please keep drilling your brain for me and give me some more possibilites. thanks for your comments also
seachem guy said that carbon does't affect these chemicals and my ph is out of the tap around 7.2 I keep my ph at 7 so I am still at a loss. also his nostrals are opened up like sores so at first I thought hith but its just his nostrals no other sores. and I did the water change after he was in bad shape so that isn't the cause. please keep drilling your brain for me and give me some more possibilites. thanks for your comments also
My best guess now is that there's too much chemical in there and causes a big change in the water parameter.
dodgefreak8
06-13-2005, 6:34 PM
yea somthing changed I did check everything this morning and it was perfect. Nitrite 0, ammonia 0, nitrate 15, and ph 7.1, can phosphate affect your fish? because its off the chart over 10 ppm because a 50% water change and it still read 10ppm. that is why I added the pad to my filter
yea somthing changed I did check everything this morning and it was perfect. Nitrite 0, ammonia 0, nitrate 15, and ph 7.1, can phosphate affect your fish? because its off the chart over 10 ppm because a 50% water change and it still read 10ppm. that is why I added the pad to my filter
How's your aro's behaving now?/ breathing fast and heavy?
dodgefreak8
06-13-2005, 6:38 PM
breathing slow little slower than normal. still sitting vertically on his nose. he is responsive his eyes will look at me and when i moved him he tryed to get away from the net. he didn't try to swim this mornig
neoprodigy
06-13-2005, 6:39 PM
50% water change follow by another 50%.... do you dechorine? how cold was the water b4 and after the water change? i think you are doing a bit too much....
dodgefreak8
06-13-2005, 6:43 PM
I did a 50% change in my 220 then I did a 50% change in my 29 so I could move him over there. the nitrates were a little high. the temp was exactly the same 82 degrees i check with a digital thermometer
I suggest adding more aceration in there for the aro and observe further. No more chemical of any sort plus no feeding for now. I dun think he'll eat anyway.
dodgefreak8
06-13-2005, 6:48 PM
I did add more airation forgot to mention that. I covered the tank with a towel to keep te stress down and I will just observe for now. thanks alot for your help this site is the greatest when it comes to help *********** I haven't gotten one post yet.. thanks again guys
neoprodigy
06-13-2005, 6:49 PM
dodgefreak8, do what Koji said... he is the Master... :)
dodgefreak8, do what Koji said... he is the Master... :)
ehh...I'm not ya. Just hope I can help. :redface:
I did add more airation forgot to mention that. I covered the tank with a towel to keep te stress down and I will just observe for now. thanks alot for your help this site is the greatest when it comes to help *********** I haven't gotten one post yet.. thanks again guys
Just try to intro ore oxygen into the tank for the aro. I worry that too much water changes plus the previous chemical attack may causes some harm to the gills.
dodgefreak8
06-13-2005, 6:53 PM
I will put another air stone in the tank right now thanks again
I will put another air stone in the tank right now thanks again
Good luck buddy;)
ashdavid
06-13-2005, 10:43 PM
Was this fish becoming sick sudden? Or was it showing signs beforehand ? What else did you do to the tank before it becomming sick? What is it doing now?
dodgefreak8
06-13-2005, 10:57 PM
Was this fish becoming sick sudden? Or was it showing signs beforehand ? What else did you do to the tank before it becomming sick? What is it doing now?
it was pretty sudden. I fed him last night and he ate great. this morning he was in bad shape. he is still setting vertically in my hospital tank. he seems to be breathing a little better but he isn't doing much. as for anything else to the tank I have done nothing else
ashdavid
06-14-2005, 12:01 AM
Thats pretty strange. The only thing I can think of is that the chemicals that you added did not sit with the fish well. That is probably obvious at this point. How often are you doing water changes now? I would be doing 50% everyday until he is looking better, and if you are going to use salt, 1 tabblespoon per 5g is not enough, I would go 1-2 teaspoons per 1g of water and if that concerns you just go with 1 teaspoon per gallon, but add it slowly and watch the fish for any negative reactions. One last thing it is probably not a good thing to add chemicals while treating with salt.
predprey
06-14-2005, 12:23 AM
its a great looking fish similar to a saratoga or not?
ashdavid
06-14-2005, 1:51 AM
its a great looking fish similar to a saratoga or not?
What do you mean?
its a great looking fish similar to a saratoga or not?
It is saratoga:p
dodgefreak8
06-14-2005, 8:31 AM
still no change this morning but h is still alive. thanks
dodgefreak8
06-14-2005, 5:27 PM
update my aro is still alive but looks the same. the only difference is he is trying to pass feices and its a long string of bright yellow. it has never looked this way. its usually little red pellets. can anyone explain this could he have a digestive problem? if so whats the cure?
update my aro is still alive but looks the same. the only difference is he is trying to pass feices and its a long string of bright yellow. it has never looked this way. its usually little red pellets. can anyone explain this could he have a digestive problem? if so whats the cure?
You can only observe for now. I guess too much chemical in there screwed up it's digestion as well. You mentioned feeding before the water changes ansd the adding of chemical??
dodgefreak8
06-14-2005, 6:05 PM
its call ascites. caused by bad meat or sharp objects. treat with anti bacterial med and pray I guess. he is more active today though trying to swim a little more. I quess the stomach swells and puts pressure on the swim bladder and thats why he sits vertically. I think I am doing everything right though. thanks
its call ascites. caused by bad meat or sharp objects. treat with anti bacterial med and pray I guess. he is more active today though trying to swim a little more. I quess the stomach swells and puts pressure on the swim bladder and thats why he sits vertically. I think I am doing everything right though. thanks
Hope she'll recover fully.:)
rayman45
06-14-2005, 7:06 PM
i had an aro do this
he pulled threw
i just added salt
dodgefreak8
06-14-2005, 7:16 PM
holy crap a ray of hope. I don't want to get my hopes up though but that just made my day. thank you.
dodgefreak8
06-14-2005, 7:17 PM
can i mix melafix and tetracyclene? I read that tetracyclene is what to dose with for this condition.
DeLgAdO
06-14-2005, 7:40 PM
try melafix AND pimafix, he dosent need medicine like tetracyclene that could harm him more anyways.
dodgefreak8
06-15-2005, 7:10 PM
well no change today so I lowered his water level to twice his hieghth I will leave it like that for a while and then slowly add water. I have to keep my ammonia down somehow but my filter won't work at this low water level so hope it works.
thanks
phene4grene420
06-17-2005, 4:51 AM
so.......what's the status?
dodgefreak8
06-19-2005, 1:27 AM
getiting worse. I am trying epson salt tomarrow so we'll see. it doesn't look good though. thanks
aquafan2001
06-19-2005, 11:04 PM
Just continue to keep the water clean, add salt, and raise the temp slightly. Do not try to feed the aro until he looks like he is recovering. Just monitor closely.
dodgefreak8
06-21-2005, 7:11 PM
well he is laying flat on the bottom of the tank and seems to be more energetic than the last couple of days. I think he is getting better but it might be to little to late. what sucks is my zebra plecos are ready to be shipped but he is taking up there tank. here is a pics of him now
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/dodgefreak8/sickaro1.jpg
redtailfool
06-21-2005, 8:39 PM
Doesnt look good. Hope the aro makes it.
dodgefreak8
06-22-2005, 9:11 PM
just wanted to update. my aro seems to be getting better. he is swimming for short periods of time and staying upright. he get more and more boyant everyday. his cloud eye is going away and he is looking better. now I just hope he gets better before he starves to death. thanks again
Justin
islander671
06-22-2005, 9:33 PM
just wanted to update. my aro seems to be getting better. he is swimming for short periods of time and staying upright. he get more and more boyant everyday. his cloud eye is going away and he is looking better. now I just hope he gets better before he starves to death. thanks again
Justin
Glad to hear hes doing better
redtailfool
06-22-2005, 9:34 PM
Good news. A glimmer of hope. WHen was the last time the aro ate?
ashdavid
06-23-2005, 12:00 AM
If he had a cloudy eye along with those other symptoms, it sounds like a water quality problem to me. Have you discovered the source of the problem?
dodgefreak8
06-23-2005, 12:13 AM
no he hasn't eaten for a week and a half. I think he moght start soon though if he keeps improving. He got the cloud eye when he was laying on it for a few days in the hospital tank. in my 220 he had water parameters that couldn't get more perfect. I think he got a swim bladder problem from a stomach problem. he has been passing weird poo lately. I added epsom salt for a laxative and thats when he started improving. I don't know if he got an infection in his stomach or if he had worms or just constipated. thanks for the reply's guys
Get a water report from your utility, it should tell you thier standards and wether they use chlorine or chlorinase. This won't help now but might in the future, chlorinase is harder to break down.
bro, i would suggest you try to position your aro in an upright position. Meaning that you try to use something that is heavy like bricks, etc to sandwich your aro to an upright position (enough strength to hold the aro will do). with that, place an aeration right in front of your aro......Once your aro is feeling better, he will swim out by itself.....
At the same time, try to do water change of 10-15% daily.....this will help to clear all toxic in it and get the water perimeter right......dont forget to add in salt and increase the temp....
Hope that your aro will be able to pull thru.......
dodgefreak8
06-23-2005, 10:55 PM
bro, i would suggest you try to position your aro in an upright position. Meaning that you try to use something that is heavy like bricks, etc to sandwich your aro to an upright position (enough strength to hold the aro will do). with that, place an aeration right in front of your aro......Once your aro is feeling better, he will swim out by itself.....
At the same time, try to do water change of 10-15% daily.....this will help to clear all toxic in it and get the water perimeter right......dont forget to add in salt and increase the temp....
Hope that your aro will be able to pull thru.......
thanks for the reply,
my aro is holding himself vertical on the bottom of the tank now. he will still lay over periodically. if I tried to wedge him in somthing he would just swim away. I am doing daily water changes and adding salt and epsom salt. along with melafix. I just recently lower the temp back to about 82 to raise the disolved O2 level in the tank. I hope he continues to get better all I can do is watch. I also hope he eats soon. its been about 10 days. thanks again
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/dodgefreak8/000_0059.jpg
redtailfool
06-24-2005, 12:02 AM
thanks for the reply,
my aro is holding himself vertical on the bottom of the tank now. he will still lay over periodically. if I tried to wedge him in somthing he would just swim away. I am doing daily water changes and adding salt and epsom salt. along with melafix. I just recently lower the temp back to about 82 to raise the disolved O2 level in the tank. I hope he continues to get better all I can do is watch. I also hope he eats soon. its been about 10 days. thanks again
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/dodgefreak8/000_0059.jpg
salt and epson salt?? you might be adding to much nacl into the tank ...
Masa_Rov
06-24-2005, 12:42 AM
[QUOTE=dodgefreak8]thanks for the reply,
my aro is holding himself vertical on the bottom of the tank now. he will still lay over periodically. if I tried to wedge him in somthing he would just swim away. I am doing daily water changes and adding salt and epsom salt. along with melafix. I just recently lower the temp back to about 82 to raise the disolved O2 level in the tank. I hope he continues to get better all I can do is watch. I also hope he eats soon. its been about 10 days. thanks again
[QUOTE]
You are doing a wonderful job taking care of your aro. I hope it all ends up well.
Masa
dodgefreak8
06-24-2005, 5:48 PM
salt and epson salt?? you might be adding to much nacl into the tank ...
they are 2 totally different compounds. NaCl and magneseum sulfate. you can add up to 0.4% solution with epsom salts. I was told this by Vetduck on arofanatics. that guy deffinatly knows his arowana's. thanks for the reply
bluedempsey
06-24-2005, 7:23 PM
well hows it doin
dodgefreak8
06-25-2005, 1:19 AM
about the same not much improvment today but it didn't get worse.. thanks for asking
redtailfool
06-25-2005, 1:29 AM
they are 2 totally different compounds. NaCl and magneseum sulfate. you can add up to 0.4% solution with epsom salts. I was told this by Vetduck on arofanatics. that guy deffinatly knows his arowana's. thanks for the reply
Cool! i just dont want you to dump too much stuff in the water.
Have you bumped up your temp yet??
dodgefreak8
06-25-2005, 1:54 AM
I am keeping the tank at about 85 degrees. I am not adding anything else to the tank. I stopped the melafix when the cloud eye was gone. I am just letting him do his thing now and keeping the water clean.. thanks alot
dimebag
06-28-2005, 4:45 AM
don't change the water frquently!ur aro will get stressed and might die...and don't put too much stuff in ur aro tank.