My turn....

[turkeyboy85]

Marble isnt eating ... tried starving her for shrimp because she is still on earthworms, noticed she wasnt eating that or moving around that much and now she refuses earthworms, did another water change, and put her in my Pup cage so she can be alone. Also I noticed some disk raising but not death curl more like irritation so i dosed with some melafix. Also its almost like she is (coughing) at points

[DB junkie]

You too? I'm sorry to hear this man.....

Sounds similar to what my other little girl was doing yesterday...

Hows her breathing? Is it accelerated?

[keepinfish]

man sorry to hear, sucks cause you had her with the leo's too.

Good luck man keep ups updated.

does she have skin peeling etc..?

[Gr8KarmaSF]

Turkey and DB are your rays from the same stock perhaps? just curious...

[tank125]

Marble isnt eating ... tried starving her for shrimp because she is still on earthworms, noticed she wasnt eating that or moving around that much and now she refuses earthworms, did another water change, and put her in my Pup cage so she can be alone. Also I noticed some disk raising but not death curl more like irritation so i dosed with some melafix. Also its almost like she is (coughing) at points


My new MM/Mantilla male was disc raising, so I took out the sand (estes) and it ceased after a couple of days. I don't think the sand caused it, it just didn't help. Not sure what caused it, but I upped the w/c's as well and he is all good now.

[turkeyboy85]

breathing is a little accelerated this morning, also gr8 this is the marble i got from aquascape

[keepinfish]

db's did not come from aquascape.

turkey, any other signs?

[turkeyboy85]

she isnt gonna make it.... front of her disk is curling bad and she is curlin oposite of the death curl

[tank125]

I have had this happen before, things seem fine for a week or two, following importation, and then bam they are curling. I noticed it most frequently with Motoro's out of Columbia. Never happened to me with a Peru Motoro.

[turkeyboy85]

i have had her for a good couple months too... went back to normal .... :/

[keepinfish]

man all you can do is keep the water clean as possible....GL

[Gr8KarmaSF]

I noticed it most frequently with Motoro's out of Columbia. Never happened to me with a Peru Motoro.

Very interesting, why do you think that is?

Was this pup CB thou? I could see it making a difference if it was imported, but if it was CB, how could it make a difference?

i have had her for a good couple months too... went back to normal .... :/

Weird....

Like others said, I wouldnt be so fast to medicate, I would just keep the water very clean, lights down low, and worms avilable to eat 24/7. Just my .02

[turkeyboy85]

all i did was a half dose of mela, and secluded her from my male motoro, since they were seculuded from the rest of the pack. She is wild, the one i got from aquascape

[tank125]

Very interesting, why do you think that is?

Was this pup CB thou? I could see it making a difference if it was imported, but if it was CB, how could it make a difference?



Weird....

Like others said, I wouldnt be so fast to medicate, I would just keep the water very clean, lights down low, and worms avilable to eat 24/7. Just my .02


Why... becuase I think that they get treated like garbage at collection, transport, holding, tranship, or a combination. I firmly believe that this is why so many "teacups" do so poorly, they are cheap and get treated as such.


Sorry this is happening Turkey, it is so hard to watch.

[Florencebigfish]

Good luck the one i had died and the males not looking to good. The other two i have are doing great. Hope it works out.

FBF

[turkeyboy85]

well just got back from class she is still alive, threw some worms next to her and she ignored them.... and btw i did quarenteen her for 2.5 weeks with prazi pro as well..... before adding her to my main tank

[Gr8KarmaSF]

Ummm seems like you are doing everything by the book....gluck!

[turkeyboy85]

she keeps doing this....

[turkeyboy85]

after lookign at her her again its almost like something is messed up with her spine..... right no her back there is a huge sharp lump type thing... like her spine is out of place

[keepinfish]

did one of your bigger rays bite it?

[turkeyboy85]

only ray that was in with her was the male motoro, since my female is about to give birth i have them seperated from the other group, the front is in with them as well, he would charge the rays but never bite them...

[turkeyboy85]

broken back?

[keepinfish]

WOW! That is something different than everybody elses bacteria problem.

i would say something is broken, but i have not idea.

[keepinfish]

maybe he is obsessed with bubbles?? lol

sorry this is not the time for jokes. I hope it works out for you.

[skynoch]

My one that is sick also experienced this look before it stopped eating? I was thinking something was blocked up? It went away but so did her eating.

[turkeyboy85]

lol, but this is a she... they are sopose to be smarter then that ;)

[Gr8KarmaSF]

If its possibly caused from a blockage then I wouldnt feed her anymore and let her system clear. Additional worms might make the problem worse IF this is the cause...

[turkeyboy85]

her breathing is very speratic, and i moved my input from my tank to blow on her a lil and she just kinda slid to the other side of the "tank" from the current.... its not looking to good

[skynoch]

Not sure if it was a blockage on mine but it looks identical to mine and it went away so that would be a guess only.

[DB junkie]

After doing some reading, it seems that using Binox as a PERCAUTIONARY measure on W/C rays would be a good practice... Just like Prazi.... Maybe I'm wrong but going back to the basics it seems kinda hard to doubt Ross.

For clarification Turkeys, and my rays are not from the same place, however maybe thier point of collection is similar....

My lil girl will raise herself up completely off the bottom of the tank, almost like she's assuming the eating possision but no food. Still refusing all worms.

Mine was also breathing REALLY fast up until the Binox dose 2 days ago, since then her breathing has calmed, don't know if it was from the Binox, or seperating from the other fish....

[vamptrev]

i find it very ironic that this is happening to everyone at the same time.

GL!!!

[DB junkie]

I'm telling you.... They are all down in Colombia sippin "special" kool aid....that lays dormant for a month or so. Awaiting the apocolypse going out on thier own terms..... LOL.... errrr...

Not everyone...... If I'm not mistaken it's just people with fresh imports.....

Crazy thought for you guys to wrap your heads around....

People can get Bird flu. Can rays be getting our flu or something similar?

[turkeyboy85]

it is.... and all of us got new rays recently... im woundering if they were put in the same system at some point.... all seem they might have come from columbia except keep's hystrix....

[Gr8KarmaSF]

Not everyone...... If I'm not mistaken it's just people with fresh imports.....



i find it very ironic that this is happening to everyone at the same time.

GL!!!


Not everybody. :D

[DB junkie]

Not everybody. :D

So care to expalin to us how you avoided this?

Could really use some help about now.

Glad to see someone's all smiles. Give me your address Gr8.... I have a Motoro shaped cookie I can send you so you don't feel left out.

[Gr8KarmaSF]

So care to expalin to us how you avoided this?

Could really use some help about now.

Glad to see someone's all smiles. Give me your address Gr8.... I have a Motoro shaped cookie I can send you so you don't feel left out.

To be honest, I dont have any secrets. :D

Only thing Ive done is barebottom with weekly water changes. I quarnt. for a few weeks BUT did not treat with anything. The lack of treatment during quarnt. seems to be the only real difference I can think of. :confused: She is even eating krill already.

Perhaps the quarnt. treatment SOMEHOW is linked to this outbreak? :confused: Could it possibly house or act as a host to something bad thus causing this? :screwy: I know it sounds far fetched but I cant think of anything else thats different from what you guys have done...

:nilly:

Do I still get a cookie? =)

[skynoch]

Mine were brazilian import and did not treat with anything upon arrival

[keepinfish]

mine were brazil and i treated with prazi a few weeks after having them..

[DB junkie]

I never treated mine with anything. The one I lost was a cb.

Sure you can still have the cookies. I actually have a really nice Marbled pizza too if you're still hungry after the cookie.

[turkeyboy85]

def was bacterial im thinking... just lost her

[Gr8KarmaSF]

Dayum! Hope everybody elses pulls through...

So sorry!!!

[Griff1327]

sorry about your loss. she was a beaut

[turkeyboy85]

all the redness came post motrim as well... any ideas? im taking all my sand out right away

[T1KARMANN]

all the redness came post motrim as well... any ideas? im taking all my sand out right away

i know its to late for advice but sorry for your loss

very small pebble gravel all the way

[Fish Room Plus]

Is there anyone out there that could find out what is was. Maybe you could take a scrap of the skin and overnight it to a marine pathologist.

[Florencebigfish]

I tryed feeding my one male again tonight but no luck. The rest ate ok. It was only the two that i thought was breeding. I even tryed stuffing food under him to eat and he just moves away. This sucks a big one. Ive had these guys for about 8 months now....i had a water issue awhile back i dont know if that did it but this is crazy. I do a 50% water change twice a week and i feed every night. Very little sand on the bottom also. Sorry to use your thead on this but cant get no hits on my other one. I wish everyone good luck on theirs.


FBF

[vamptrev]

I tryed feeding my one male again tonight but no luck. The rest ate ok. It was only the two that i thought was breeding. I even tryed stuffing food under him to eat and he just moves away. This sucks a big one. Ive had these guys for about 8 months now....i had a water issue awhile back i dont know if that did it but this is crazy. I do a 50% water change twice a week and i feed every night. Very little sand on the bottom also. Sorry to use your thead on this but cant get no hits on my other one. I wish everyone good luck on theirs.


FBF

everyone is stumped on the cause. im convinced that everyone needs to do more waterchanges....

[spotfin]

Sorry to see she died. She was a great looking ray. How are the others in your tank doing?

[JOEG.]

Sorry for you loss. I had a female motoro awhile back that passed on and her underside looked almost like that. Very very red and irritated underneath on a bare bottem tank. I phoned a vet that handles all the aquatic animals here at the Tenn Aquarium and he felt it was an underlying parasite/bacteria. I should have taken her to me for checkup but it was too late.

[Florencebigfish]

Was it red right off the back...as soon as you took her out? Or after she was out of the water after awhile.

[sebarau]

sorry for your loss turkey..she was a beauty..hope the rest will be OK..

[turkeyboy85]

i noticed the redness when i took her out, nothing before that, im guessing bacterial so im removing all the sand just in case.... all other tankmates are fine, between the 3 of them they ate a whole lb of shrimp last nite

[Florencebigfish]

Everyhing in my tank is eating fine except the larger male. The female that died was white on the bottom and really slimy.

[DB junkie]

My condolences Kevin. I know this sucks. We all need to put our heads together and figure out what's going on.

[Nic]

My condolences Kevin. I know this sucks. We all need to put our heads together and figure out what's going on.


maybe go back to simple???

[DB junkie]

maybe go back to simple???

Yup. And things can stress them, plain and simple?

[Gr8KarmaSF]

everyone is stumped on the cause. im convinced that everyone needs to do more waterchanges....

Interesting thought...

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224933

[Nic]

Yup. And things can stress them, plain and simple?


always can and will be stress..

[tank125]

i noticed the redness when i took her out, nothing before that, im guessing bacterial so im removing all the sand just in case.... all other tankmates are fine, between the 3 of them they ate a whole lb of shrimp last nite


sorry if over analyzing... but how big are the other 3 if they can consume a pound of shrimp!!! If they are that big, I can't imagine that the ray that died was all that comfortable in the tank with them! Not trying to flame, I really want to know, b/c a pound of shrimp is, idk, enough for 3 x 20" rays?

Sorry for your loss.

[DB junkie]

^^ I'm pretty sure this played a part in mine. She was fine until introduction of 2 larger rays that were VERY aggressive during feeding time....

[turkeyboy85]

sorry if over analyzing... but how big are the other 3 if they can consume a pound of shrimp!!! If they are that big, I can't imagine that the ray that died was all that comfortable in the tank with them! Not trying to flame, I really want to know, b/c a pound of shrimp is, idk, enough for 3 x 20" rays?

Sorry for your loss.


The three rays that ate the shrimp are my prego female motoro - 15" male leo- 18" and female leo 15" , there was a divider set up in the tank, to seperate those three from my male motoro (9") and this little girl (6"), the male motoro had 3 shrimp, so to state how hungry the rest were i left him out of it

[tank125]

I would assume that the ray in question was stressed, even with a divider.