HR 669 S@#KS!!

[M4K3L4]

I TYPICLY STAY PRETTY QUIT ON THE FORUMS I BELONG TO BUT THIS ONE IS DRIVING ME NUTS. I DONT WANT TO START RANTING BECAUSE I WONT STOP BUT THE THOUGHT THAT OUR GOVERNMENT IS SPENDING ITS TIME DEBATING WHAT BREED OF FISH I CAN KEEP IN (IMPORT TO) MY HOME IS SICKINING. I THINK AS A COUNTRY WE HAVE FAR MORE PRESSING ISSUES.

I DONT WANT TO GET INTO SOME HUGE LIFE STORY HERE BUT I AM A RECOVERING ADDICT, SOBER FOR ELEVEN YEARS, AND FISH KEEPING HAS BEEN A SOURCE OF PIECE AND ENJOYMENT FOR ME. TO ME THERE IS NOTHING MORE RELAXING OR REWARDING THAN COMPLETING A NEW SET UP OR JUST SITTING BACK LOOKING AT AN ESTABLISHED TANK, AND THE THOUGHT THAT SOMEONE IS GOING TO PUT LIMITS ON WHAT I CAN HAVE IN MY HOME MAKES ME WANT TO PUKE:wall:

ANYWAY, THANKS FOR A PLACE TO VENT AND I GUESS IF THIS GOES THRU ILL HAVE TO SIGN UP FOR MONSTER GUPPIE KEEPERS.:cry:

[rallysman]

Ranting wont help, but signing the petition will. I'm sure you have, so relax and know that there are hundreds of other members that feel the same way. We'll do what we can, but we need to do it in a relaxed and structured way.

BTW, congrats on being clean.

[invisyblegypsey]

Ranting wont help, but signing the petition will. I'm sure you have, so relax and know that there are hundreds of other members that feel the same way. We'll do what we can, but we need to do it in a relaxed and structured way.

BTW, congrats on being clean.
:iagree::iagree: absoultley right git yourself and your freinds on board!!!!!!!!!
welcome to MFK's

[Lupin]

You can write them a letter but please make sure to keep your letter as positive as possible. Harassing them will not help. If I receive a mail of harassment, I would also throw that letter in the bin from their perspective.

[M4K3L4]

I INTEND TO WRITE A LETTER AND WOULDNT THINK OF PORTRAING MYSELF OR THIS WONDERFULL HOBBY IN A NEGATIVE WAY. I JUST READ ABOUT THIS TODAY AND IT HAS BEEN BOTHERING ME SINCE I DID . I JUST THOUGHT THIS WAS AN APROPRIATE PLACE TO VENT MY FRUSTRATION

[rallysman]

I INTEND TO WRITE A LETTER AND WOULDNT THINK OF PORTRAING MYSELF OR THIS WONDERFULL HOBBY IN A NEGATIVE WAY. I JUST READ ABOUT THIS TODAY AND IT HAS BEEN BOTHERING ME SINCE I DID . I JUST THOUGHT THIS WAS AN APROPRIATE PLACE TO VENT MY FRUSTRATION

Absolutely, but don't let it raise your blood pressure too much. We'll do what we can, and with the amount of people on MFK, that's quite a bit:)

[M4K3L4]

THE BLOOD PRESSURE HAS SETTLED. :ROFL:( I WISH THE CLOUD IN MY NEW TANK WOULD!) BUT ANYWAY, PLEASE KEEP ME POSTED OF ANYTHING I CAN DO TO HELP. PATITIONS, LETTERS, WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!

[SpitRhyma]

I'm quite confused here. I mean on one hand I don't think they should STOP allowing people to own non-american species in america because north america is lame. But there DOES need to be something done about how many fish have to die so ONE can get to your local petshop. They say about 9 fish die for every 1 fish that you purchase.

I say: The only way you can get exotic fish is if you order them individually (personally) from foreign countries. So I call someone IN africa or w/e and tell'em "click click pop pop" and they tell me how much I owe them and they catch and ship the fish.

From lake to aquarium (or river or w/e it's from)

I love fish and I think people need to stop abusing them!

No offense but most "monster fish keepers" are fish abusers that keep giant fish in tiny tanks.

Keeping a parakeet in a small cage and bringing it out to fly around in your house and sit around on your indoor trees is quite diff. than keeping a fish to live and die in a tiny glass box.

[SpitRhyma]

Ok I just heard that it's for the intention or preventing animals from being released into new territories and messin things up well that's bogus. Most of the fish we import wouldn't even survive in the united states.

Crazy talk!

I hope this bill doesn't go through but there should be laws placed against tossing these fish around back n forth...

[M4K3L4]

I love fish and I think people need to stop abusing them!

No offense but most "monster fish keepers" are fish abusers that keep giant fish in tiny tanks.

Keeping a parakeet in a small cage and bringing it out to fly around in your house and sit around on your indoor trees is quite diff. than keeping a fish to live and die in a tiny glass box.[/quote]
OK NOW IM A LITTLE CONFUSED, WOULDNT THE BIRD JUST BE IN A BIGGER "BOX". I THINK IF YOU READ THRU SOME THREADS YOU WOULD REALIZE ITS A HUGE DEAL HERE FOR FISH KEEPERS TO PROVIDE THERE FISH WITH A BIGGER BOX AS YOU CALL IT. WE ARE WAY OF THE ORIGINAL TOPIC BUT SO FAR IN MY SHORT TIME HERE ON MFK HAVE I GOTTEN THE IMPRESSION THAT NO ONE HERE WANTS TO HOUSE THERE FISH IN AN UNDERSIZED ENVIROMENT.

[groovitudedude]

No offense but most "monster fish keepers" are fish abusers that keep giant fish in tiny tanks.


Can you please elaborate on this? I'm not sure I quite grasp the concept. We do not support keeping oversized fish in small tanks, but some people do (and it is wrong).

[chefjamesscott]

No offense but most "monster fish keepers" are fish abusers that keep giant fish in tiny tanks.

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UMMMMM I MEAN THIS WITH THE DEAREST OF ENDEARMENT FRIEND

:WTF: :nutkick: :owned:

SERIOUSLY DUDE MOST MFKER I KNOW HAVE TANKS YOU COULD SWIM IN :naughty:

might I ask what sizes your tanks are and your stock

[jmotion]

Without turning this thread into some bashfest. I believe the intention of true MFKers is to educate those into providing adequate quarters for their pets. Whether it be a tetra or a pima. However as with all suggestions, there will be those that choose to not care about the information contained within this site.

As for the 9:1 ratio. I have never heard of that before. However that can also be attributed to mishandling at the store or other factors. You will always have your casualties, but a well maintained store/keeper can definitely reduce that ratio.

[Cholly]

Whoa, enough with the all capitols, eh? One word here or there for emphasis, but all caps all the time is even hard to read. I understood it in the first post, you were beyond honked off, but you've done it in every post.
No offense but most "monster fish keepers" are fish abusers that keep giant fish in tiny tanks.Offense taken. I will not take on a fish I cannot house properly, which means I may never realise my dream of keeping a clown knife. The majority of people registered on this forum are monster tank owners because of the fish they want to keep. This forum is here not just to share our experiences but to educate newbies.

As for HR669, it is well meant, but horrifically wrong in the way they want to implement it. As worded it would not only destroy our hobby, but the entire pet industry. Tropical fish were just a by blow, this was aimed at herps and other "dry" exotics. This will destroy the entire pet industry unless you want a dog or a cat, end of choices. It would eliminate serious hobbyists, period, unless you are independently wealthy. Not just well off, we're talking filthy, stinking rich.
Breeding will be illegal, even if you have "grandfathered" fish or other animals.
This is one scary bill people. I have written to all the committee members from my state, whether they were "my" representative or not, I signed the site's petition, I've talked about it on every forum I participate at, brought it up at the local fish club and told a guy that I know that's active in herp circles. In short, I am doing everything within my power to get this bill derailed. While it's still a bill, we have a chance. Make some noise, dammit.

EDIT: Here's a link to a good place to monitor this abomination:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-669

[M4K3L4]

WOW, MY FRUSTRATION WITH A BS BILL HAS TURNED INTO A DEBATE ON FISH KEEPING PRACTICES. I THINK THAT ITS SOMEWHAT THIS TYPE OF THINKING THAT IS FUELING THE BILL. PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE HOBBY HAVE A MISCONSEPTION THAT FISHKEEPERS JUST BUY WHATEVER, WHERE EVER AND THROW IT IN THE 29G THE BOUGHT AT WALMART AND WHEN THE FISH GETS TO BIG WE FLUSH IT DOWN THE TOILET OR TURN IT LOSE IN OUR LOCAL TROUT POND. WHILE I DO REALIZE NON NATIVE SPECIES HAVE INVADED NORTH AMERICAN WATERS, WHY SHOULD WE ALL PAY FOR SOMEONES IGNORANCE.

[M4K3L4]

Opps, didnt even realize the caps where on and I did it again before I read your post.:nilly:SORRY


MFK; a weath of fish keeping knowledge and typing etiquette:ROFL:

[Cholly]

:headbang2No worries, we're together where it counts.(In opposition to this incredibly stupid bill):headbang2

[vanimate]

Make your voice heard people.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230852

[Lupin]

:headbang2No worries, we're together where it counts.(In opposition to this incredibly stupid bill):headbang2
Absolutely!:thumbsup:

[Bottomfeeder]

I'm quite confused here. I mean on one hand I don't think they should STOP allowing people to own non-american species in america because north america is lame. But there DOES need to be something done about how many fish have to die so ONE can get to your local petshop. They say about 9 fish die for every 1 fish that you purchase.

I say: The only way you can get exotic fish is if you order them individually (personally) from foreign countries. So I call someone IN africa or w/e and tell'em "click click pop pop" and they tell me how much I owe them and they catch and ship the fish.

From lake to aquarium (or river or w/e it's from)

I love fish and I think people need to stop abusing them!

No offense but most "monster fish keepers" are fish abusers that keep giant fish in tiny tanks.

Keeping a parakeet in a small cage and bringing it out to fly around in your house and sit around on your indoor trees is quite diff. than keeping a fish to live and die in a tiny glass box.
Not here we dont.

[Pharaoh]

No offense but most "monster fish keepers" are fish abusers that keep giant fish in tiny tanks.

this statement explains why I just bought a 500 gallon tank. LOL

[Retuks]

i keep an oscar, jack dempsey, AND a silver aro in a 29g...


and there is my 110g fused tank waiting for the cichlids when it grows... the arowana is for investment purposes and did not plan to keep it past 10''

i think people will blow their worries out of proportion until it seems true to them that it is actually happening on a much bigger scale than it really is. hence the creation of most "Environmentalists" who are fueled only by personal opinion and try to yank some science and "feel good inc." out of it to gain followers. in which case those who spend their lives worrying about not being ignorant will ironically fall into conformity and then pure ignorance themselves upon contact with retards like these...

[rainbowfishpc]

MONSTER GUPPIE KEEPERS.:cry: Nope, I don't think guppies are on the okay list, even though they live in some parts owned by the US (puerto rico I think)

[rainbowfishpc]

No offense but most "monster fish keepers" are fish abusers that keep giant fish in tiny tanks.

Smart one, if you read any of these threads you'd realize that this site is to prevent that from happening. So, what do you keep, eh? Let me guess, one of those "cute little oscars in a 5 gallon? Or one guppy 'cause that's all you can keep alive.

[Bottomfeeder]

Smart one, if you read any of these threads you'd realize that this site is to prevent that from happening. So, what do you keep, eh? Let me guess, one of those "cute little oscars in a 5 gallon? Or one guppy 'cause that's all you can keep alive.
BRINGIN DA HEAT!!!! :FIREdevil

[Perun]

From the Pet industry joint advisory council:
IT IS PARAMOUNT THAT ALL SEGMENTS OF THE PET INDUSTRY ARE PERCEIVED AS HIGHLY PROFESSIONAL THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THIS PROCESS. IF PERCEIVED OTHERWISE, WE WILL LOSE OUR CREDIBILITY AND WITHOUT OUR CREDIBILITY, OUR COLLECTIVE AND INDIVIDUAL VOICES WILL HAVE LITTLE TO NO IMPACT.

http://www.pijac.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=504

[rainbowfishpc]

BRINGIN DA HEAT!!!! :FIREdevil

Yeah, I got a bit carried away, mi dispiace (I'm sorry)