gill curls

[dragonfish18]

so i got this RTC it developed a gill curl i know im going to have to cut it off to fix it...can you guys give me some tips to sterilize blades and what i can use to sedate the fish so he dosent fell so much pain?

[bigfishsmallpond]

no
why the hell would you do this ?
heat the tank to 86F
add salt to the tank 1tbs for 5 gal
so if you have a 50gal you put 10tbs of salt in it
and see if it gos away
so lets cut out the gills so thay dont curl
mybe if you did cleaned the water you would not have a f up fish!!
put it down and call it a day

[I<3fish]

so i got this RTC it developed a gill curl i know im going to have to cut it off to fix it...can you guys give me some tips to sterilize blades and what i can use to sedate the fish so he dosent fell so much pain?
Tank size, water change schedule. Cutting it off will not solve it. Water changes, warm temp tank, and salt will.

[dragonfish18]

no
why the hell would you do this ?
heat the tank to 86F
add salt to the tank 1tbs for 5 gal
so if you have a 50gal you put 10tbs of salt in it
and see if it gos away
so lets cut out the gills so thay dont curl
mybe if you did cleaned the water you would not have a f up fish!!
put it down and call it a day
breh i asked a few ppl bout this at a few lfs before i came to this conclusion one of them even reffered me to a dude that do sugury for them...but then again they can be BSin me......scince we recession i though id skipp the billls...and i got him from the store that way for your personal infermation

[dragonfish18]

Tank size, water change schedule. Cutting it off will not solve it. Water changes, warm temp tank, and salt will.i have my rtc with my silver aros in a 100gal for now ive had it at about 89 for a few weeks with salt becuase be arows always smack their barbells and bust their lips...it didnt seem to get better...u think its just a birth defect?...thanks for your imput

[Hayabusa]

Its not a birth defect its poor water, thats it.

Do some googling, there is a way to massage the gils flat again, but unless you fix the underlying reason for the cause of the gil curl (poor water maintenence) it will just come back, it will also effect your arrowana at some point as they are also very prone to it.

Your tank is to small is what it comes down to tbh, thats why your arrowana is having problems as well.

[Hayabusa]

Oh and you say "arros" meaning more than one arrowana, plus a rtc, in a 100gal?

[dragonfish18]

Oh and you say "arros" meaning more than one arrowana, plus a rtc, in a 100gal?
coo.....dont trip tho im upgrading a few weeks....and my aros r fine they jus smack their faces up against the glass really hard

[Hayabusa]

coo.....dont trip tho im upgrading a few weeks....and my aros r fine they jus smack their faces up against the glass really hard


:screwy:

[chefjamesscott]

coo.....dont trip tho im upgrading a few weeks....and my aros r fine they jus smack their faces up against the glass really hard

umm might I ask what size they are if they are smacking their faces really hard against the glass

any pictures

[dragonfish18]

umm might I ask what size they are if they are smacking their faces really hard against the glass

any pictures
they bout 17in one of thems jus gets spooked really easily the other one got perfect barbells...i wish i had a camera tho

[Hayabusa]

17in arro in a 100gal tank, with other arros, and a rtc, and you cant understand why the arros are smashing themselves up, and the rtc has gil curl?

Speachless.

[Hayabusa]

But to answer your original question about gil curl, while they are housed in a stupidly small tank there is absolutely NOTHING you can do to fix it.

Sure you can temporarily fix it, but it WILL come back.

[chefjamesscott]

they bout 17in one of thems jus gets spooked really easily the other one got perfect barbells...i wish i had a camera tho


I will not join the flame the op movement what size is the tank you are upgrading to

I got flamed by people when I rehomed 2 pacu and 3 iri shark and put them in a 180g, it was funny cause I had lined up a 300g but they did not bother to ask me that. Even better I just found a 8 ft 420g so guess the rehome is working

im interested in what tank you moving them to

[dragonfish18]

I will not join the flame the op movement what size is the tank you are upgrading to

I got flamed by people when I rehomed 2 pacu and 3 iri shark and put them in a 180g, it was funny cause I had lined up a 300g but they did not bother to ask me that. Even better I just found a 8 ft 420g so guess the rehome is working

im interested in what tank you moving them to
right on breh out here in cali we dont talk Sh*t den jus hide behind computers...some ppl dont git that we in a bad recession here but im hopeing to get either 2 6x2x2 180gals for each of my aros or a 8x30x30 360-375gal

[Hayabusa]

I will not join the flame the op movement what size is the tank you are upgrading to

I got flamed by people when I rehomed 2 pacu and 3 iri shark and put them in a 180g, it was funny cause I had lined up a 300g but they did not bother to ask me that. Even better I just found a 8 ft 420g so guess the rehome is working

im interested in what tank you moving them to


Thats all good and well, but his RTC and arros are both suffering at the moment.

If a dog was starving to death you wouldnt ask what food you were thinking of buying in the future would you?

There is a big difference between healthy overcrowded fish waiting upgrade and unhealthy fish that are suffering waiting an upgrade.

Besides all this he wanted to know about how to operate on his RTC himself due to the credit crunch and saving money.

Doesnt sound like someone who is about to line up a real home for these fish to me.

[Hayabusa]

right on breh out here in cali we dont talk Sh*t den jus hide behind computers...some ppl dont git that we in a bad recession here but im hopeing to get either 2 6x2x2 180gals for each of my aros or a 8x30x30 360-375gal

Talk **** and hide behind their computers?

Put the crack pipe down...

[dragonfish18]

Talk **** and hide behind their computers?

Put the crack pipe down...
breh this is all u got time for..go do sumthin produtive with your life..
and dont trip about wer i invest my money

O and i found this funny coming from u when i found this in your about me

"There are a lot of judgemental people in the world, and I think all those people are worthless dirtballs."
"The man who claims to be the boss in his own home will lie about other things as well."
"Stupid questions are better than stupid mistakes."
"Not one shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious."

[Hayabusa]

breh this is all u got time for..go do sumthin produtive with your life..
and dont trip about wer i invest my money

I care about the welfare of your fish, I couldnt care less wether you think I am flaming you, or I am "hiding behind my computer" you asked about gil curl, and I answered you, just because the answer isnt the one you were looking for doesnt change the fact that it is caused by your tiny tank and poor water management.

And I am doing something with my life thanks, I am sat here with my daughter teaching her how to read and write and trying to explain to someone who seems to be struggling with both of these subjects that the only way they can fix the problems they are having with their fish is to get propor housing for them.

OK heres the answer you were looking for....

Lower the water, chase the fish around untill they are exhausted then lift them out, snip the gil off that is causing issue and place the fish back in the tank, it will be fine in that tank for life, and the only reason the arros are smashing thmeselves up is because they are stupid.

[Hayabusa]

http://arowanaclub.com/ClubArticles/WanHu/GillCut.htm

Knock yourself out.

[chefjamesscott]

but the fix is easy for unhealthy overcrowded step up the water change regime, further I would prefer to take people at their word and then let them fail on their own rather than take a preemptive judgement stance on them, it tends to give people encouragement to do the right thing when they are met with a I believe you can do this rather than a I doubt you can do it.

I have seen the deals that are to be had in california as people have posted threads here about them and I for one believe that a person who has purposed to find that big tank will find it and they will find it at a price that is within their budget.

I would prefer to give people the hand up to help them rather than the armbar to put them down.

It is my hope that you find that big tank you are looking for and that your fish need.

I recommend seachem prime as a water treatment since it is such a kicking product and to fix the issue you are having bump up your water change by 5% in volume to see if that works to help your water quality. I do this for my waterchange regime, 3 weeks of the month its 30-40% but for the 4th week its a 50% so as to give the tank a killer freshness. I would also recommend that you do a minimum monthly cleaning of your filter body, by this I mean move out the media and keep it alive in tank water then using the hottest water you can stand sterilize your filter body but not the baskets that hold your media, make sure the impeller is free and clear to work at max then put the filter back together.

[dragonfish18]

but the fix is easy for unhealthy overcrowded step up the water change regime, further I would prefer to take people at their word and then let them fail on their own rather than take a preemptive judgement stance on them, it tends to give people encouragement to do the right thing when they are met with a I believe you can do this rather than a I doubt you can do it.

I have seen the deals that are to be had in california as people have posted threads here about them and I for one believe that a person who has purposed to find that big tank will find it and they will find it at a price that is within their budget.

I would prefer to give people the hand up to help them rather than the armbar to put them down.

It is my hope that you find that big tank you are looking for and that your fish need.

I recommend seachem prime as a water treatment since it is such a kicking product and to fix the issue you are having bump up your water change by 5% in volume to see if that works to help your water quality. I do this for my waterchange regime, 3 weeks of the month its 30-40% but for the 4th week its a 50% so as to give the tank a killer freshness. I would also recommend that you do a minimum monthly cleaning of your filter body, by this I mean move out the media and keep it alive in tank water then using the hottest water you can stand sterilize your filter body but not the baskets that hold your media, make sure the impeller is free and clear to work at max then put the filter back together. thanks i apperciate your help and actually acknowleding that i will be using water treatment i use this forum in search of answers from nice helpful ppl like your self....insted of others that id just be better off talkin to my wall

[Wet Whiskers]

So I've cured gill curl without surgery. Depending on how far along the problem is you can follow this method, and avoid hurting you little guy. If the gill curl has not advanced to the gill plate, and is still only on the soft part you can massage it away. Catching my TSN was the hardest part. I drained the water down to where he could only swim side to side. I used a towel to catch him as a he has outgrown my net. :)

Anyways, I put some of the tank water in a rubber maid tub, added some erythromycin (a strong broad spectrum antibiotic), and prime to help with the loss of slime coat. He finally settled down enough that he would let me support his with one hand and massaged the curled flap of skin between my index finger and my thumb. You need to get under the flap with your thumb, but not too far in so you don't damage anything. I was just really gentle and would rub for a few seconds and then let him breath. Eventually the gill laid back down. You can feel the gill flap get thinner and thinner between your fingers as it starts to flatten out. I made sure the water was nice and clean and kept prime in the tank while he was healing. Anyways, this was like 3 months ago. He's doing great and the gill curl hasn't come back. I didn't put any antibiotics, just in the tub so that I didn't introduce any bacteria.

By the way, this all got started from an ammonia spike after a tank broke and a bunch of fish had to be added all at once. Once the curling started it continued to get worse until I did this, even though the ammonia never went back up.

Good luck!

[flyin lizard]

Where do you get erythromycin ?

[Wet Whiskers]

Where do you get erythromycin ?

Erythromycin can be found at fish stores in different forms ranging from capsules to tablets that all dissolve in water. I think I used Maracyn under the brand name Mardel, but it doesn't really matter. It is convenient in that this can be found at petco or petsmart. It is a little more advanced than penicillin, but not over the top so that you start breading any sort of super bugs. Another one you can use is amoxicillin, but I might wait to use that for serious infections. Another really great topical antibiotic is neomycin. This can also be found at fish stores, but usually a little harder to come by. This is one of the ingredients in Neosporin, but please don't use that! It would cover the gills and suffocate the fish.:WHOA: So, of all three of these, I would probably use the erythromycin being that it is about the right spectrum and easy to find in the right dosage forms for small amounts of water. Let me know if you have problems finding it. :)