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[RARE AFISHINADO]

I like em if you dont thats cool.

check em out

[Gr8KarmaSF]

Interesting, im curious what would you relate it to when touching it? leather? any special skin considerations when keeping it?

[RARE AFISHINADO]

They feel like very smooth extremely soft leather or suede.

The only special requiremnt I have noticed is they need more humidity when shedding and a good soak does em good every few days. Just like some geckos if kept too dry the shedding skin can form rings on their toes and cut off circulation. A good soak and spilling their water bowl once a day fixes that.

[Fishes33]

The second picture, it looks like those people with severe burn on their skin...

[Will Hayward]

Interesting, im curious what would you relate it to when touching it? leather? any special skin considerations when keeping it?
Supposedly they are sensitive to intense UV such as high watt Mercury Vapor, or more intense lamps. Source of info was from a reputable breeder.

[RARE AFISHINADO]

I think the source of reference was from somebody who never owned them.. I have a few and I use mercury vapor bulbs with no ill effects... most of what you read about them is bs regurged from people who have never owned them....

[RARE AFISHINADO]

agreed thats exactly what I though the first time I saw one...

second thing I thought was, I gotta have some

third thing I though was wtf close to a grand a piece I must be crazy

thoughts 4 5 and 6 were similiar to thought 3 lol

[Will Hayward]

I think the source of reference was from somebody who never owned them.. I have a few and I use mercury vapor bulbs with no ill effects... most of what you read about them is bs regurged from people who have never owned them....
I think, you don't know who I'm talking about. The breeder has experience with them.

Obviously there are variables, and not every MV in every application will show a certain result.

[RARE AFISHINADO]

Name the breeder.and his experience with them.. only a very small handful of breeders have bred these in the US.

Post the link?

always like to hear the facts...and experiences of others...

[Will Hayward]

Name the breeder.and his experience with them.. only a very small handful of breeders have bred these in the US.

Post the link?

always like to hear the facts...and experiences of others...
I'm not in the US. There is no link, it was a conversation.

Good luck wading through all the online regurgitation. Also, check out www.uvguide.co.uk if you are interested in UV information. There are plenty of dangerous bulbs on the market, and commonly available bulbs that if used incorectly have dangerous side effects.

[RARE AFISHINADO]

I didnt know these were imported into Canada there are 2 lines the Italian and the US line. I dont have to wade through online regurg I have my own experience and expertise in this area.

Dangerous bulbs are just that Dangerous bulbs....

Earlier you said they are sensitive to MV bulbs etc

My arm is sensitive to a match if you hold it against my skin

I think the problem has everything to do with the bulbs and nothing to do with the dragons skin.

I dont know why naming the breeder would be a problem...

[RARE AFISHINADO]

I didnt know any Breeders in Canada were working with scaless.

I see no harm in posting the name of the breeder.

I will not wade through all the bs online I have firsthand experience and expertise with these animals and would rather deal with truths rather than regurged falsehoods

You now are saying the bulbs are dangerous well if thats the case they will harm any animal not just scaleless beardies

I think the problem has everything to do with the bulb and nothing to do with the beardies having no scales

I have been using MV bulbs for the last 8 months with no ill effects, The bulb is 7 inches or so from the basking spot and no problems at all.

If you post useless info that you cannot substantiate on forums it just gives the other regurgers something to post all over the internet. B4 u know it everyone is saying that u cant keep em under MV bulbs.

One lies the other swears to it :)

SHOW ME REAL INFORMATION OF A SCALESS BEARDIE BEING BURNED ETC FROM A MV BULB WHERE THE SAME BULB WAS USED SUCCESSFULLY ON A SCALED BEARDIE

Sorry if I am coming off rude but if you make a statement be prepared to back it up :)

[RARE AFISHINADO]

I didnt realize my earlier post was posted and had to retype from memory. when I hit the reply button my IE showed an error message

[Will Hayward]

Nah, the thread just rekindled my interest in UV discussion for a moment, so I began rambling. But i've all but left reptile keeping, and haven't had much interest in UV since. There is a Yahoo Group that is about UV bulbs and Metering Units. A member there was talking about doing test with her scaleless dragon vs her normal. they posted some results using shed skin in UV metering. I left reptiles before finding out if the person followed through with any tests/results/whatever.

Well, you've got your own expertise, so what do you need a name for. I don't need to put past friends on the spot over a conversation we had long ago.

[Dmaan.]

i want a huge reptile when i'm a little older.
what do they call these bad boys? rapists?
it kinda looks like a jail bird with lots of jail art tatties, i like the way he looks.

[lmartelli77]

i want a huge reptile when i'm a little older.
what do they call these bad boys? rapists?
it kinda looks like a jail bird with lots of jail art tatties, i like the way he looks.


huh?

[Horiyoshi III]

what do they call these bad boys? rapists?
Derail of the year.

Yessssssss.......

[RARE AFISHINADO]

Regurgitation without references is contagious :)

Dmaan,,, your insane :)

[RARE AFISHINADO]

Hey Will how did you and your so called friend breeder discuss scaless bearded dragons long long ago when they were just developed within the last 2 years and only became available within the last year?

Me thinks you heard this info on some forum from a regurger and reposted it..

its cool just dont regurge anymore bad info about them unless its verified

[ray777]

Awesome!!!!

[milokai]

nice!!!thanks for sharing

[coura]

They are odd for shure:D

[bangerang103]

awesome, I hate you tho.

[Will Hayward]

Hey Will how did you and your so called friend breeder discuss scaless bearded dragons long long ago when they were just developed within the last 2 years and only became available within the last year?

Me thinks you heard this info on some forum from a regurger and reposted it..

its cool just dont regurge anymore bad info about them unless its verified
I only used the word 'long' once actually.

[Nic]

very nice.... i saw one at the hamburg show.... somebody bought it so i couldnt really see it as it was behind the table kinda...


how much do there guys go for?

[RARE AFISHINADO]

1000 each for youngsters adults can go 1500-3000 all depends

[RARE AFISHINADO]

hey you need any adult breeder female balls?

I may wanna get rid of a few morph and reg female breeders...

drop me an email when u have time

awesome, I hate you tho.

[bangerang103]

I want some hatchlings!

[Nic]

wow didnt relize they were that much.... that one had a female mark on it and was pretty big...guess i wont be adding one of those to the collection anytime soon...

[chefjamesscott]

i want a huge reptile when i'm a little older.
what do they call these bad boys? rapists?
it kinda looks like a jail bird with lots of jail art tatties, i like the way he looks.'

well anyone who can look at a rapist in a good light (such as you seem to think its a cool name for a lizard) really needs a good headshaking :screwy:

[milokai]

very nice dragon....I like

[logo]

Well they are different thats for sure. I think it would take me time to get used to them. Still cool though.

[Red Devil]

he is very sweet ... and delicate

[CVHoover]

Lookin good!!

[Jeox]

Awesome beardies.
If anyone wants to know exactly what they feel like, go touch a leo, or tokay.

[uncwnells]

wouldnt pay that for them thats for sure. they would make a nice shoe though.

[AttackFish]

If I had the money I'd buy a pair for sure.
Interesting creatures.