will it pass?

[Bottomfeeder]

Do you think HR669 will pass?...the pet trade brings in billions of dollars a year...and with the economy supposedly gone to crap, i think it would be dumb to pass it. (for other reasons too :grinyes:)

so do you think its gonna pass?...

[Lupin]

Hopefully not.

[cichlid2006]

so any news on how your fight is going?
hope its going well. I dont want to be invaded by yankees lol.:p

[benzjamin13]

Due to the economical status of the US, the pet trade does help generate money so I don't think that it'll pass.

[Delhezi222]

Not a chance. I never thought it would, and I still don't.

[Banjardini]

I think it will. invasive species cause alot of money to remove.

[Hap3niz]

screw this thing..

[srikamaraja]

It is the duty of a righteous man to defy an unjust law.

When tropical fish are outlawed, only outlaws will have tropical fish.

::straps on banderilla::

[jmart.cooper]

It would make a lot more sense to just increase the fines dramatically for people who release non-native animals or do other in appropriate things involving pets. This would still let the pet trade produce trade in the US giving the govt money from taxes and it would give the govt a second source of income in the form of fines.

[joworth]

It would make a lot more sense to just increase the fines dramatically for people who release non-native animals or do other in appropriate things involving pets. This would still let the pet trade produce trade in the US giving the govt money from taxes and it would give the govt a second source of income in the form of fines.

they wouldnt be able to catch half of the idiots down in south florida who get bored and dump thier bucket of fish in the water. i dont think it will pass though. not in this economy.

[RARE AFISHINADO]

The money the Govt spends to control Invasive species is more than the entire animal trade profits in a year. Im sure thats how the opposition will present it,, I know if I was for the Bill that would be the argument I would make..

[wolfsburgfanatic]

I don't think it will pass but I still wrote a letter to my representative (like they even give a crap) and printed some flyers to throw around town. Its bad enough to see the car hobby headed for hard times... I can't lose this hobby too!

[MeiTnerium109]

Even if I didn't have a connection to the fish trade, I'd still doubt it will pass.

Not only is the idea horrendous, but now is not the time to "crack down" on the pet trade.

[bumpylemon]

the fact that we are addressing this is stupid. so basically close down petco and petsmart? not gonna happen...

[AU_Arowana-RG]

The bill is stupid. If congress even has half a brain, it wouldn't pass.

[uncwnells]

what happens if it does i mean, I know what will happen, but that would seriously change the way america works, freedom? ha. we wouldnt wven have the freedom to choose our pets.

[ewurm]

A better approach would be education against releasing pets, not legislating an expensive measure to ban most pets.

[Retuks]

The money the Govt spends to control Invasive species is more than the entire animal trade profits in a year. Im sure thats how the opposition will present it,, I know if I was for the Bill that would be the argument I would make..

though those numbers are bitter sweet, the gov would then say that having NO profit and then having increased expenses to staff officials who can regulate and enforce this new law would be even more loss, on top of that the jail population will increase if jail time is one of the sentences, adding even more expense to keep the offender alive.


my favorite activity (sarcasm), the open revolts that will take place, new trade routs and smuggling methods that even MORE specialized officials will have to be hired for to keep us underground fish keepers from smuggling in anything...

A typical talk between customs agents:
"We got another illegal import sir!, what do we got this time? piranhas again?... yellow damsels sir! gasp* tag em and bag em boys!"

[driftwood]

I can just picture Congress sitting around and this bill comes up for discussion and they all see the words Nonnative species and vote in favor of the bill without even thinking about the ramifications. Its happened before with different bills so it could happen again. I will be very upset if this bill passes.

[koop171]

My wonder is how many congressmen and women have no knowledge of this bill and will simply pass it b/c they hear Invasive and non native and atuomatically think BAD.

Let's face it there is alot of legislation passed around this country that Few people know what it means till after they say ok let's pass this bill.

[BPags52]

The bill is stupid. If congress even has half a brain, it wouldn't pass.

That's never stopped them before! :wall:

So, when is the vote on this bill?

[Fly River]

It won't pass. Our whole country will be effected one way or another.

[gavigan1]

Our freedoms are becoming more restricted everyday, what is this country coming to........... The fallout from this would cost the economy billions.:banhim:

[Nic]

the economy is shot... they pass it more buissnesses close more people loose houses etc etc.... it wont pass...

[misterjose23]

if this HR669 Bill S**T passes excuse my language im moving to canada.
america was the vision of the whole world, where all your dreams can come true.
now its more like america where you see all your dreams go down the drain.
dont get me wrong i love this country of mine, but Sh*t like this is what brings it down.

[Cholly]

My wonder is how many congressmen and women have no knowledge of this bill and will simply pass it b/c they hear Invasive and non native and atuomatically think BAD.

Let's face it there is alot of legislation passed around this country that Few people know what it means till after they say ok let's pass this bill.This is why it is so important to write your representatives and alert them to the fact that something stinky is being cloaked under a feel good language title. Something that was anything but was passed under the name of the "Patriot Act".
if this HR669 Bill S**T passes excuse my language im moving to canada.
america was the vision of the whole world, where all your dreams can come true.
now its more like america where you see all your dreams go down the drain.
dont get me wrong i love this country of mine, but Sh*t like this is what brings it down.I love it, I served in the military in a time of war, I want better out of it, and I'll be d***** if I'll let some overprivileged pissant ruin it.
Guam deserves a better representative than Delegate Bordello. I do not doubt that she means well, but her thinking process with this bill is extremely flawed and her ego endangered. If she wants the bill to succeed, it will have to be utterly revamped and her removed from it. Her ego is blatantly caught up with it though, she will not make or allow the necessary changes, nor will she step down, this is her baby. Let her do some of our work for us, the high handed way she handled the subcommittee hearing will grate on other large egos in the House and she and the bill will go down in flames.
I know I froth at the mouth whenever her name is mentioned in my presence, especially after watching the hearing.

[AU_Arowana-RG]

That's never stopped them before! :wall:

So, when is the vote on this bill?

Umm, them still possibly passing this means that they don't have brains, simple as that.

[swede]

I haven't heard anything about this bill lately

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

no
but then again I didnt think a communist would become president(i was wrong there)

[Ophiuchi]

why cant they just make laws that make people aware of the dangers of releasing fish, so we can be responsible... live fish stores never warn you against release, some people might not know how bad it is for ecosystems... public service announcements! dont release your goldfish! they wont be free! they dont long for the wild! i don't know why people aren't trying to go about this another way... maybe putting bounties on the heads of wild caught invasive species :D fun and functional! catch a snakehead in Louisiana? heres 500 dollars and well put the guy on ice for good! i think they can try harder to make happy ecosystems and diverse aquariums less mutually exclusive.

i think it'll pass... congress is stacked with environmentalists at the moment.... they dont trust us to take care of the planet
mean paternalistic government *curses under breath*
by the way government! i want an axolotl and a snakehead! and someday ill move to where i can get one gosh durn it

[thefishgeek]

I will do everything in my power to stop this. This would be a really stupid move because not only like Bottomfeeder said it also in my opinon teaches people about responsiblity and the fragile balance between man and nature. if future generations dont learn this the world would be a diffrent horrible place

[Allan01230]

Alll this talk about invasives. What about the destruction of the rainforest and other areas that once gone could not be replaced. Man is constently eating up wetlands rainforest forests and what not and we are worried about a zebra mussel? Crazy! Sorry had to vent!

[Itsadeepbluesea]

I think and really really hope it doesn't pass

[Lucifersam]

If this passes I seriously hope the united states Govt does something stupid and really causes an issue for them. Because if there is a revolt good ridance to all the idiots that were elected by idiots who do idiotic things like try to total kill and industry while dumping a HUGE amount of money into others because they think companys should be preserved I'm sorry but this has just set me off today So i'm oing to keep on ranting.

If anyone on this forum can name anything USEFULL to the common every day citezen that actually Works and provides for his family, that was done by this government that was elected the same way Hitler was who then proceded to try and salvage an Auto industry. Infact the companies should have been forced to file bankrupcey first because the idiots refused to keep quality up and get rid of unions.

Plus this thing that potentially Bans ALMOST EVERY PET? I mean WTF are these IDIOTS thinking.

In fact if it were not for the fact that I love my state of Texas I would Be in England Or Germany right now because the elected officials here are idiots and more importantly the Stupid population that voted for a whole collection of worhtless bueracrates IS KILLING THIS COUNTRY!



Okay I'm done and i have calmed down now.


but Either way DOWN WITH THIS WORTHLESS ACT OF LEGISLATION

[Mr Pleco]

Knowing how strange this current admistation is with their views and policies......I'm sure a lot of unjust legislation will pass in the next 4 years.:headbang2

[Lucifersam]

Haha well anything worth passing.

[Allan01230]

How about the last administration that got us in this mess to begin with? 8 years of uncontrolled spending complete with a war that we can't win. Go figure

[Lucifersam]

Hey if you want to blame somebody then get to know what you are talking about lol, this economic S&^* hole we are in now is because of the Citezens Of the United states not an Administration. i'm sorry but if you beleive a Government should have its hand in everything and control people then bend over and take it from scocialism.

Plus what would you have done if your nation was attacked by terrorist harboured by foreign countries?

[T.K.O.P. 8=X]

If you really think about it or pond to wonder the benefits. Fish keepers in general are an asset to rotating/stimulating the economy. Fish trades private or marketed, fish foods, aquarium supplies,feeders, water & electric companies power to run & water consumptions.

Jeez I can ramble on forever with this theory. But in the end of discussion on HR669 of being passed is all facts bottom line. Now if the government doesn't realize it, since they pretty much like control everything in the U.S. & the outsides/foreign countries. Too much greed i think sets them on their ways look into it... past - present - future & so on & so on it's a never ending thing.

[Allan01230]

Hey if you want to blame somebody then get to know what you are talking about lol, this economic S&^* hole we are in now is because of the Citezens Of the United states not an Administration. i'm sorry but if you beleive a Government should have its hand in everything and control people then bend over and take it from scocialism.

Plus what would you have done if your nation was attacked by terrorist harboured by foreign countries? I answered this one but the mods deleated it. Must of thought it was a little bit much.

[dragonfish18]

i dont think this law will pass. it dosent make sense most tropical fish dont even live in most of our climates or temps in north america.
if it does many ppl would probly still be able to get these animals through the black market with a huge demand....then release them because they cant sell them with out risk

[Unholy1761]

when it does come to vote just vote it down we make the ultimate decision:irked:

[Unholy1761]

i know if my rep. supports it i wont vote for him next time ill tell you that much.

[CichlidsRool]

no-way it will pass!! if it dose??!! i am moving out...:D

[L021]

If it passes, i'm moving in with some of my friends from Canada

[Trigga]

I'm not in the us but honestly guys do you honestly think they will stop something that will shut down an entire industry? Especially at a time like this.

[Danger_Chicken]

This would affect the hobby in other countries as well. The US is a large market, if the market was outlawed then International companies (hardware) wouldn't be able to sell their products here. Hence they'd make less product, so they would be buying less raw materials, so they'd be getting less of a volume discount and the price would go up. I imagine it could cause layoffs at these companies too, depending on the volume of their sales in the US. If the US makes up a large portion of their sales it could put them out of business. That would make less products to chose from and potentailly less R&D in the hobby. Not to mention a helleva lot of pissed off Americans.

[coolblue]

I'm not in the us but honestly guys do you honestly think they will stop something that will shut down an entire industry? Especially at a time like this.

They would. I hope they don't, but I don't think that they care what/when/how they pass any bills.

[luv012]

i hope it doesn't pass

[Aeroxide]

If this were to pass it would do more harm than good. It might prevent some invasive species problems, but not enough to be effective and to be worth the economic damage it will cause.

Just one example that comes to mind is the Emerald Ash Borer - the beetle that's been killing ash trees by the tens of millions in the midwestern states and is continuing to spread. The theory is that the beetle first came to the US on wooden crates and packing materials that arrived in Michigan from Asia. A bill like this does nothing to stop that from happening.

If it were to pass, we'd still have invasive species problems, and we always will have them.

[gigas12]

Hi,hopefully it will not pass.

[trojan09]

i dont think its gonna pass because why try to pass it while there are already billions of pet in the unites states already. and plus how can u stop them from breeding? its a natural thing. if the unites states passes it im moving to canada or australia!

[komodo182]

I live in canada. So at this time, the bill does not affect me. I agree it will affect me if it passes since a lot of fish come from teh states I imagine. Plus, I imagine it will come to canada if it passes in teh states anyway.
if it does pass, I do not think it will stop anyone from having pets...they will just buy them another way.
like illegal drugs.
you will have people at the back of corner stores trading fish for money haha
so if it passes, the gov't will just lose taxes and the GDP will decrease. LOL
and the recession will continue, maybe turn into a depression eventually. gov't will print more money to cover costs, thus increasing inflation which helps destroy an economy.
joys
lol
my ripple of doom...

[hervoicewasgray]

You know, the initial idea of it was bad.
I wrote a long opposition letter and sent it all over the place.
But after watching the hearing, I think it would be a good idea.
I mean, it needs ALOT of work, no doubt.
But if there was a compromise, I don't think it'd be totally bad.

Of course, it doesn't solve all of the existing problems, and human responsibility needs to be the first thing.

[jakezori]

Not a chance. I never thought it would, and I still don't.

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