i wanna go fishing for GT and JDs etc... HAWAII MFK

[Retuks]

where can i find Jacks and GTs on Oahu? i wanna go fishing tomorrow and catch a bunch.

so far i know of these spots with some good cichlids:

Sunpress: Convicts / Labiatus Red Devils / Silver Tilapia.

Haleiwas: Convicts / Tilapia / Pbass

UH campus: Convicts / GTs / ??

Lake wilson: Tiger Oscars / Midas Red Devils / ??

i mostly seek wild jack dempseys and green terrors. where can i find them?

[KuricX]

You can find some baby kind GT in Manoa Stream and some bigger ones in the deeper area. How is there Pbass in Haleiwa lol? i got family there and have never seen pbass there expcept for lake wilson

[Retuks]

You can find some baby kind GT in Manoa Stream and some bigger ones in the deeper area. How is there Pbass in Haleiwa lol? i got family there and have never seen pbass there expcept for lake wilson

haleiwa joes. lol not the foreal haleiwa area. the restaurant with a gazebo and 2 man-made memorial lakes in the back. im attempting to de-rez that man made pond and put some fish of my own flavor into there. right now it has the load of convicts and tilapia for the most part. i want to change that. and since that is an entirely man made pond with filtration system and everything it was never really meant to have any certain species of fish in the first place. i fancy the thought of having arowanas gliding through the gazebo peer where people get married under..

manoa stream? i cant find it. lol is it under that concrete bridge?

[Retuks]

ok i JUST came back from the manoa stream today. (Bussed it from kaneohe X(...

IM SOOOOOOOOOO PISSED!! i went to the deepest part of the pond i could find (having never gone there before). i trekked myself down the hill to the spot right below the small power plant at the campus... i SAW ONE GT... ONE!!!!... and whats worse is i couldn't catch it! i have never been so pissed in my life! i always catch the fish im after...

i kept catching convicts from 12pm till 7:30pm... breadballs, rods, and nets. i couldn't even spot a damn GT anywhere after the initial siting! what am i doing wrong!!! am i at the wrong spot? all there seem to be in this pond are corys and pink/reg convicts everywhere!!! im about to cyanide that ****er and hope it doesnt kill them!!! ARRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

biggest waste of time in my life... what the hell am i doing wrong?

[Ak-Kronic]

ummm you are fishing for cichlids in hawaii, that sounds messed up enough as is......

[sandtiger]

ok i JUST came back from the manoa stream today. (Bussed it from kaneohe X(...

IM SOOOOOOOOOO PISSED!! i went to the deepest part of the pond i could find (having never gone there before). i trekked myself down the hill to the spot right below the small power plant at the campus... i SAW ONE GT... ONE!!!!... and whats worse is i couldn't catch it! i have never been so pissed in my life! i always catch the fish im after...

i kept catching convicts from 12pm till 7:30pm... breadballs, rods, and nets. i couldn't even spot a damn GT anywhere after the initial siting! what am i doing wrong!!! am i at the wrong spot? all there seem to be in this pond are corys and pink/reg convicts everywhere!!! im about to cyanide that ****er and hope it doesnt kill them!!! ARRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

biggest waste of time in my life... what the hell am i doing wrong?

Fishing requires patience, it makes the desired catch all the more enjoyable when you finally do get it. Just be happy you live in a place where these fish live, even if its messed up that they do in the first place (like Kronic said).

[Retuks]

Fishing requires patience, it makes the desired catch all the more enjoyable when you finally do get it. Just be happy you live in a place where these fish live, even if its messed up that they do in the first place (like Kronic said).


i kept catching convicts from 12pm till 7:30pm...

im not fishing for 1... nor am i fishing for enjoyment. i am a speed/power fisher and i can catch most freshwater fish within 30 minutes at any 1 spot.

i went to catch red devils in a certain canal they have been seen, i caught red devils... i went to catch pbass at lake wilson, i caught pbass. i went to hunt for the tulip eel in the Rehab center's stream... you get the point.

and to tell you the educated truth, the green terrors themselves do not affect the O'opu's habitat, especially since O'opu never occured in Manoa stream; the only established place to find green terrors. (and they are rare since pink and stripe convicts rule the area... those of which i decapitate when caught... and i catch plenty)

O'opus were the only freshwater fish living in the islands pre-human contact from fossil record. that is the truth. since they are still common, at least they are not endangered.

litterally every other fish you can find in the water here are non native unless its an o'opu. lemme give u a list of the most common fish:

Guppies and mosquito fish = Non native
Red Crayfish = non native
Plecostomus = non native
tilapia = non native
convicts = NN
pbass....

the list goes on. for every fish living here that isn't an O'opu. it isnt Hawaiian.

PS: dont yell at ME for catching non-native species. yell at the college students from PETA who steal the fish from their doorm buddies at night and "liberate" them.

[thesamas]

ur lucky enough that u could go fishing and catch something....here in bangalore there is no place to even think of going fishing for any of those fish u mentioned

[KuricX]

Sorry for your bad day of fishing :( But at least you know where one is lol

[Retuks]

UPDATE:

this is my second day going there... havent caught anything but convicts again... i spotted 3 GTs this time! they were literally a foot away from me in shallow water... but they are so un-aggressive with food that i know why im not catching any! the convicts chase them around inside the stream and they dont even go for the bread while the cons race to it! they show no motivation to eat the bread and will just slowly swim to the bread and if a convict tries to fight for it the GTs immediately stop caring about it and swim away with that crybaby style of "i didn't want it anyway..."

im going to plant a drift net in there sometime this weekend. and i have a benefitial plan...

i will catch hundreds of fish. most of them will be convicts. the guppies will fall through. as i sort through them, i will cut every convict in half and throw them back and spare the GTs and any other fish i find that isnt a convict. i will take all the GTs with me and release the other fish...

mission complete.

[KuricX]

UPDATE:

this is my second day going there... havent caught anything but convicts again... i spotted 3 GTs this time! they were literally a foot away from me in shallow water... but they are so un-aggressive with food that i know why im not catching any! the convicts chase them around inside the stream and they dont even go for the bread while the cons race to it! they show no motivation to eat the bread and will just slowly swim to the bread and if a convict tries to fight for it the GTs immediately stop caring about it and swim away with that crybaby style of "i didn't want it anyway..."

im going to plant a drift net in there sometime this weekend. and i have a benefitial plan...

i will catch hundreds of fish. most of them will be convicts. the guppies will fall through. as i sort through them, i will cut every convict in half and throw them back and spare the GTs and any other fish i find that isnt a convict. i will take all the GTs with me and release the other fish...

mission complete.
Ever try walking in there with a scoop net?

[Retuks]

Ever try walking in there with a scoop net?

yea. i did that today... they are too fast and far for a scoop net. or they hide in the over-bite caves made by the river bank, unaccessible from that angle.

today i was there from 10am to 6:30pm... saw more... caught none :(:(:(:(:( i think i have been pretty patient... and im in no way an amatture angler... GTs man!! this shoulda been cake!!!! ARG...

PS: how do you spell ammature? amature? amatture (google doesn't mind this way)... but firefox keeps saying its wrong... stupid firefox cant even auto correct.

[Retuks]

im going again on friday... this time i will invest in the drift net and will take plenty of pictures.

[sandtiger]

im not fishing for 1... nor am i fishing for enjoyment. i am a speed/power fisher and i can catch most freshwater fish within 30 minutes at any 1 spot.

I don't know why you're getting defensive about it, I wasn't attacking you just giving advice. I suppose if you want to live the rest of your days pissed off that you didn't get what you wanted thats fine by me.

i went to catch red devils in a certain canal they have been seen, i caught red devils... i went to catch pbass at lake wilson, i caught pbass. i went to hunt for the tulip eel in the Rehab center's stream... you get the point.

Yeah, I get the point. You're used to getting what you want and when you don't you allow it to ruin your day. God forbid you ever come up empty handed.

and to tell you the educated truth, the green terrors themselves do not affect the O'opu's habitat, especially since O'opu never occured in Manoa stream; the only established place to find green terrors. (and they are rare since pink and stripe convicts rule the area... those of which i decapitate when caught... and i catch plenty)

O'opus were the only freshwater fish living in the islands pre-human contact from fossil record. that is the truth. since they are still common, at least they are not endangered.

I don't recall ever mentioning Hawaii's native freshwater fish.

PS: dont yell at ME for catching non-native species. yell at the college students from PETA who steal the fish from their doorm buddies at night and "liberate" them.

I was not "yelling" at you, I merely made an observation that its a shame they are there but if they are I could care less what you do with them, you might as well use them if you can. Sorry if you took my post personal, I didn't realize how sensitive you are.

[Hap3niz]

:popcorn:

[uncwnells]

lol this guy/gal obviously hasnt been fishing for very long. Its nor about catching the fish its about getting outdoors and enjoying nature. Maybe you would enjoy being a commercial fisherman using huge nets and killing anything and everything that you catch, thus further raping this planet of its wildlife.

[Louie]

UPDATE:

this is my second day going there... havent caught anything but convicts again... i spotted 3 GTs this time! they were literally a foot away from me in shallow water... but they are so un-aggressive with food that i know why im not catching any! the convicts chase them around inside the stream and they dont even go for the bread while the cons race to it! they show no motivation to eat the bread and will just slowly swim to the bread and if a convict tries to fight for it the GTs immediately stop caring about it and swim away with that crybaby style of "i didn't want it anyway..."

im going to plant a drift net in there sometime this weekend. and i have a benefitial plan...

i will catch hundreds of fish. most of them will be convicts. the guppies will fall through. as i sort through them, i will cut every convict in half and throw them back and spare the GTs and any other fish i find that isnt a convict. i will take all the GTs with me and release the other fish...

mission complete.


I have tried to catch convicts for a year now and not one not a bite. I envy you.

Why kill them?
I know they are non native but are they actually taking a toll on Hawaiis native fish?
Its possible they dont bother anything.

Here the cichlids and other non natives for most part live in man made canals that are way to hot for native suns and bass they dont take a toll on anything .
I certainly would never kill one.

[Modest_Man]

Man, sorry I ever told you where the GT's are. You're a douche. :(

I hope you never catch them now, honestly. If you do, what are you going to do with them?

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[ceeej31]

I have tried to catch convicts for a year now and not one not a bite. I envy you.

Why kill them?
I know they are non native but are they actually taking a toll on Hawaiis native fish?
Its possible they dont bother anything.

Here the cichlids and other non natives for most part live in man made canals that are way to hot for native suns and bass they dont take a toll on anything .
I certainly would never kill one.
some fishermen will kill more common species in order to increase the chances that they will catch more desirable fish, ive seen boston fishermen throwing skates unto the beach, my cousins used to smash bluegill with rocks, and this guy apparently does it with convicts

[Retuks]

I don't know why you're getting defensive about it, I wasn't attacking you just giving advice. I suppose if you want to live the rest of your days pissed off that you didn't get what you wanted thats fine by me... (rest of quote)

number 1. maybe i should mention you guys are reading what i type rather than listening to me speak and therefore misunderstand me. i noticed that has caused alot of bashing against me and i apologize for making me sound like a "douche".

1) im not really "pissed" as i like to type. i went home rather calmly and quietly like i normally do and just type it out in much exaggeration. i do not ALWAYS get what i want. not even half the time. i just wanted to explain that if i desire something in the world of legal fish atleast, i will **work very hard** towards acquiring it and as i said before, this being my first inability to catch one is uppsetting. having the motivation to take a 3 hour bus ride there, spending the whole day, and coming back again empty handed and willing to try again later is what i like to do. though i did not at all portray that before.


2) that reply on my sensitivity was (apparently) a failed joke about peta..:(. again a missunderstanding. remember you are reading what i type and not hearing it, my mistake for assuming people can pick up the sarcasm/joking.

1) Uncwnells, i understand you go out and fish to see the great outdoors, but with your assumption discounting my entire life living near the shore and quite easily accessible streams and fishing with my father (RIP) does beg to differ my experience with fishing. in my introduction post on MFK i explained that i kept saltwater fish before this. my dad and i used to sports fish for Ahi and i started my fish keeping hobby with a baby hammerhead i accidentaly caught off kaneohe bay at the sandbar (being 8 and having an over-supportive dad let me keep it in a 75 gal). i guess you can say i havent been fishing with YOU that long :). but doesn't everybody fish for different reasons? i fish because i want the fish. theres nothing wrong with that i dont think.


Louie) to tell you the truth, yes i AM going to go out there again with a net this time. the rest of my plan? tottal BS and frustration. dont worry. no convict will be deliberately harmed. i shudder at sawing any creature in half that isnt a bug, its hard to watch crickets get cut in half to be honest. though the stream is not man made. it has no natives to fight anyway.

Modest_Man) its fine that you called me a douche and posted those pics as if ur rubbing it in that i didnt catch any and wishing i never will... but im going to keep them as i think they are the prettiest pred. cichlid on earth.

ceeej31) i guess. but if i was really gonna kill the cons id have to say because they out-preform the GTs in the race to establishment and the slaughter would give the GTs a leverage window, atleast in that portion of the stream. but i dont like to watch fish die unless they are going to get eaten, and even then, i hope they die quickly. when my oscar ate a swordtail tail-first, i wished it had went in head first since the tetra now has to feel the oscar smashing every bone in its body until it dies instead of crushing the head first. also the reason why i did not want to buy exodons at first because the video of them shredding at the guppy ended in the scale-less guppy still alive and wriggling to the bottom to die later.

i like fish that take out their prey fast for my personal opinion that its more comfortable to me yet cool enough... i also love to type. you guys should see my blogs, however, i like my privacy and try to keep internet-forum life shielded from my direct-personal life to a point.

well. im still gonna go on friday and i will turn up pics for you guys, if i remember to bring my camera. it should be interesting this time with a net. i hope they still sell them at nanco...

[HarlanAshmore]

poor cons

[Retuks]

I have tried to catch convicts for a year now and not one not a bite. I envy you. .

to help you on this i can find only 2 reasons your not catching them

1) your bait
2) their existence in the area you are casting your rod.

though reason 2 is prolly a dumb one since if u believe u saw convicts, they probably are convicts. lol

well i cant really think of why u cant catch them, but i can tell you how i ALWAYS catch them, and if the laws of time and space are still intact, you should have convicts on your line in no time.

Bait:

i use whitebread balls. white bread is more processed and has sticky flower in it that holds moister better than wheat bread. convicts love any bread but white bread will stay on your line longer and wont crumble off as easily.

use a small hook: small mouths = small hook. it can be fatal to use a hook size too deeply curved because if you catch a small convict, the hook can snag the fish right through the eye or face when it should only be the lips. hook sizes are measured in either fractions of an inch, mm, or centimeter depending on what country it was made in, so the higher the number the smaller the hook. didnt really need to tell you though cause you have eyes. lol


roll your breadballs as TINYYYY as possible and stick them on closest to the point of the hook as possible. it makes it harder for fish to avoid the hook when they bite down on the bread and swim away to get snagged. this rule applies for all cichlids and other smaller-jawed fish.

Convicts like to swim near cover. you can catch them in open water, but you usually catch them right next to the bank your standing on (if it has a pocket of land protruding out that the convicts hide in and use for territory). or near rocks, high vegetation, etc. just lower your line into the water below your feet (if its deep and the conditions are met). convicts will rush out of their caves and try to snatch it.

use your eyes. if you see smaller convicts and fish (namely guppies) nibling the bread off before a big convict comes, try to avoid that and pull the line away from them. unless you see a big one in with the party, then let it have its chance at the bread. and also, if you can see good sized convicts from where you are, simply place your line where they are. the particular convict you see will most likely be the one you catch since its the closest.

well, im getting pretty tired... ahh. one last thing.

if you cant catch cons with a line, move to the shallowest spot in the lake and throw a loaf of bread in until the water churns with little convicts and whatever other fish are in there. get a fairly large scoop net and scoop away. here in hawaii, i have managed to scoop a sizable amount of cons going after my spit in the water. swing hard, swing fast. scoop as much water as possible rather than graze it 50/50. convicts swim into the net more than they run away once they are within the perimeter of it. or they get temporarily stunned by the slapping of the net.

wow... im sure tired. im gonna go to sleep and if u need any further help dont be afraid to ask. if u came to hawaii i would take you fishing at the best spot and you could catch pink and stripped cons to your heart's content. free99

[Retuks]

poor cons

lol poor cons... poor every other fish that used to be there before the cons drove them out! :(:(:(:(:(.. and poor GTs getting ganked by them every day. lol

[Louie]

to help you on this i can find only 2 reasons your not catching them

1) your bait
2) their existence in the area you are casting your rod.

though reason 2 is prolly a dumb one since if u believe u saw convicts, they probably are convicts. lol

well i cant really think of why u cant catch them, but i can tell you how i ALWAYS catch them, and if the laws of time and space are still intact, you should have convicts on your line in no time.

Bait:

i use whitebread balls. white bread is more processed and has sticky flower in it that holds moister better than wheat bread. convicts love any bread but white bread will stay on your line longer and wont crumble off as easily.

use a small hook: small mouths = small hook. it can be fatal to use a hook size too deeply curved because if you catch a small convict, the hook can snag the fish right through the eye or face when it should only be the lips. hook sizes are measured in either fractions of an inch, mm, or centimeter depending on what country it was made in, so the higher the number the smaller the hook. didnt really need to tell you though cause you have eyes. lol


roll your breadballs as TINYYYY as possible and stick them on closest to the point of the hook as possible. it makes it harder for fish to avoid the hook when they bite down on the bread and swim away to get snagged. this rule applies for all cichlids and other smaller-jawed fish.

Convicts like to swim near cover. you can catch them in open water, but you usually catch them right next to the bank your standing on (if it has a pocket of land protruding out that the convicts hide in and use for territory). or near rocks, high vegetation, etc. just lower your line into the water below your feet (if its deep and the conditions are met). convicts will rush out of their caves and try to snatch it.

use your eyes. if you see smaller convicts and fish (namely guppies) nibling the bread off before a big convict comes, try to avoid that and pull the line away from them. unless you see a big one in with the party, then let it have its chance at the bread. and also, if you can see good sized convicts from where you are, simply place your line where they are. the particular convict you see will most likely be the one you catch since its the closest.

well, im getting pretty tired... ahh. one last thing.

if you cant catch cons with a line, move to the shallowest spot in the lake and throw a loaf of bread in until the water churns with little convicts and whatever other fish are in there. get a fairly large scoop net and scoop away. here in hawaii, i have managed to scoop a sizable amount of cons going after my spit in the water. swing hard, swing fast. scoop as much water as possible rather than graze it 50/50. convicts swim into the net more than they run away once they are within the perimeter of it. or they get temporarily stunned by the slapping of the net.

wow... im sure tired. im gonna go to sleep and if u need any further help dont be afraid to ask. if u came to hawaii i would take you fishing at the best spot and you could catch pink and stripped cons to your heart's content. free99


Thanks.

The area I found them in was a pond fed by a canal with tons of rocks and your right rock over hangs they hid under.
I used wax worms and caught few real pretty jewel cichlids but 2 hours and convicts would not bite.

The cons by you sound like the jewel cichlids here they hit anything but the cons here seem reluctant to bite.

I went back last week and the pond was bone dry . The birds,racoons,snakes took care of the fish.

I just bought a net to try to catch spotted plecos in area but will just take pic than release it. I hope to come across convicts again but not as established in area as other cichlids.

[Louie]

Man, sorry I ever told you where the GT's are. You're a douche. :(

I hope you never catch them now, honestly. If you do, what are you going to do with them?

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Wow you caught him? Outstanding catch. Thats one exotic not found here.

[Retuks]

Thanks.

The area I found them in was a pond fed by a canal with tons of rocks and your right rock over hangs they hid under.
I used wax worms and caught few real pretty jewel cichlids but 2 hours and convicts would not bite.

The cons by you sound like the jewel cichlids here they hit anything but the cons here seem reluctant to bite.

I went back last week and the pond was bone dry . The birds,racoons,snakes took care of the fish.

I just bought a net to try to catch spotted plecos in area but will just take pic than release it. I hope to come across convicts again but not as established in area as other cichlids.

usually they are the first to be established if u were to say, put 6 of a few different cichlids into a pond. they are the most invasive. but damn that sucks. sounds like a story at the amazon with the pond drying up and the birds picking everything off. lol... is it seasonal? or did something happen?



........... and OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i woke up at 1 today for no reason AHAHAHAHA i cant go there today >_<... i will go tomorrow...

[Retuks]

"I don't recall ever mentioning Hawaii's native freshwater fish."

oh yea. i forgot to reply to this. u both said how messed up it was that they are here. making me believe you guys are thinking about how invasive they are. but if you dont think they're messed up because of that, then why DO you???? lol.

[AttackFish]

Wow.
Even if you do catch them, where are you going to keep the GT?
Your tanks are already ridiculously overstocked.

[uncwnells]

So your going to ride on a bus for three hours with the GT in a bucket? Do it a favor and leave it in the water. Go to the store and buy a GT that hasnt been taken from the wild.

[Retuks]

Wow.
Even if you do catch them, where are you going to keep the GT?
Your tanks are already ridiculously overstocked.

im going to keep them at haleiwa joe's. its a memorial man made pond, the only way it gets water is when it rains. even has mechanical filtration and pumping. originally it had no fish when it was build, just meant to look nice. then all the fish came on their own (or dumped). and i would love to have some in there available. my plan is a custom breeding ground for the GTs that is near my house and out of the way. once they establish, any1 can have one. even though i think im the only one who ever goes fishing there. but any1 who wants to go can go. (as long as they're not causing a big disturbance to the place).

image from the net.

[Retuks]

So your going to ride on a bus for three hours with the GT in a bucket? Do it a favor and leave it in the water. Go to the store and buy a GT that hasnt been taken from the wild.

are you ****ing kidding me?? why would u use a bucket??? i have a packing box with a sponge filter that was DESIGNED to ship fish in... i have always moved fish like this.

and GTs arent being sold anywhere on the island.

ADD: not to mention, you would prolly spill all the water in a bucket on the bus. i noticed you only attack my posts. starting to sound as grumpy-rednecked as that man on your avatar. are you just looking for an E-fight? stop.

[MN_Rebel]

why lots of swearing in here??

[Retuks]

why lots of swearing in here??

well you cant see it. but every1 here takes me for a fool and i am not. almost everything that lumberjack types is an assumption and i take offense to that.

[uncwnells]

wow, why do I sense such a hatred for the south? I dont believe in removing fish from the wild when they are sooo easily attainable in stores, especially fish like GTs.

Dont mess with the hacksaw! WOOOOOOOOOOO

[MN_Rebel]

well you cant see it. but every1 here takes me for a fool and i am not. almost everything that lumberjack types is an assumption and i take offense to that.
Actually I dont see anyone make assumptions, just you made them. But I just dont like the way you talk when you get mad or want cut up convicts which its odd for me..

[Retuks]

its got nothing to do with the south. there are more lumberjacks in the north. lol

and i was born in texas.

id rather this thread be locked... it isn't helping anyone at all. a forum is suppose to provide passive and indiscriminate help and knowledge to anyone. so far only kuricx has said anything this thread should contain.

and GTs are available in LFS where you live. not me.

[Retuks]

Actually I dont see anyone make assumptions, just you made them. But I just dont like the way you talk when you get mad or want cut up convicts which its odd for me..

i already said i dont really do that.

and to be technical, they are invasive fish hurting natives elsewhere. people trap and kill mongoose here that eat native birds. do you find that odd too?

i did not say EVERYONE. i said that lumberjack. lol ONE PERSON.
assumption 1) "you probably havent been fishing very long" Uncwells
then he assumed i use a bucket to transport fish on the BUS... :irked:

[KuricX]

Actually there are GT's in pet stores here occasionally like Moanalua and Mililani Pets
Sorry for not telling you this earlier :(

[uncwnells]

I asked a question stating, "what are you gonna do ride three hours on a bus with the tank in a bucket?" Thats a question, not an assumption.

I am not a lumberjack, that is Hacksaw Jim Duggan, HOOOOOOOOO, so thinking that I was in fact a lumberjack is an assumption on your part.

I also stated that you havent been fishing for very long, meaning less than 20 years. Did i assume your age wrong or no?

You also misquoted me.

[MN_Rebel]

Yeah you did make assumptions, not one assumption. No one ask you about invasives and there was never mention about Hawaiian natives. And I hope it dont get locked.

[Retuks]

Yeah you did make assumptions, not one assumption. No one ask you about invasives and there was never mention about Hawaiian natives. And I hope it dont get locked.

ok. read the first few posts on this thread.

they think its messed up that cichla exist here in hawaii. now, i asked what could they possibly think its messed up for if they dont think it has anything to do with the native species??

isn't the reason people think its wrong to dump non-native fish in the water in the first place is because they compete for native habitat or destroy it??

because if thats not the reason they think its messed up, please! enlighten me!


ummm you are fishing for cichlids in hawaii, that sounds messed up enough as is......

Just be happy you live in a place where these fish live, even if its messed up that they do in the first place (like Kronic said).

[k7q]

did u get any gt yet? take pics of the lake or pond in hawii? i would like to see hawaiii

[Retuks]

did u get any gt yet? take pics of the lake or pond in hawii? i would like to see hawaiii

i certainly will once i go out there again.

it doesnt look like its happening tomorrow either though. im going out with my grandparents to eat lunch, their visiting :).

that pic of haleiwa joes looks very postcard hawaii i think. theres actually a paved, long windy hill you gotta go down from that particular spot though its the only official entrance.

Manoa stream is more natural looking though, haleiwa joes has a way more intentional placement of plants and grass since its a tourist spot.

[sandtiger]

"I don't recall ever mentioning Hawaii's native freshwater fish."

oh yea. i forgot to reply to this. u both said how messed up it was that they are here. making me believe you guys are thinking about how invasive they are. but if you dont think they're messed up because of that, then why DO you???? lol.

Invasive fish don't only influence fish life. Amphibians, invertebrates, plants...invasive species can affect anything that share their ecosystem. Just because you cannot see the damage they may be doing does not mean it is not being done. Anyway, I'm not blaming you for the fish being there, I'm just saying its messed up that people in general would release non-native wildlife in the first place. Cichlids don't belong in Hawaii but if they are there you might as well use them (I would).

[likestofish]

Invasive fish don't only influence fish life. Amphibians, invertebrates, plants...invasive species can affect anything that share their ecosystem. Just because you cannot see the damage they may be doing does not mean it is not being done. Anyway, I'm not blaming you for the fish being there, I'm just saying its messed up that people in general would release non-native wildlife in the first place. Cichlids don't belong in Hawaii but if they are there you might as well use them (I would).

Cichlids dont belong in florida but the peacock bass was intentionally stocked by fish and game

[sandtiger]

Cichlids dont belong in florida but the peacock bass was intentionally stocked by fish and game

Yeah, I realize that. And carp don't belong in the U.S., brown trout are from Germany, rainbow trout are from the west, largemouth bass from the east. Starlings and house sparrows were intentionally released into NYC, pheasants come from Asia...the list goes on. No matter who does it though I don't have to agree with it.

[Retuks]

oh, i know what your saying now. the fact that they were released is bad, because of the chance* one takes on damaging the eco...

in analogy, its still messed up to shoot at you, even if i miss. right?

i have been "called into action" the past weekend, heh... so i did not get to go... damn these odd jobs... i will go eventually though. and i will put up some pics.

[sandtiger]

oh, i know what your saying now. the fact that they were released is bad, because of the chance* one takes on damaging the eco...

in analogy, its still messed up to shoot at you, even if i miss. right?


You got it! :thumbsup: Perhaps part of the reason you're not catching the GTs is your use of bait, bread right? They don't strike me as being big bred eaters, I would try live bait.

[Delhezi B]

Or a Small spinner or just about anything shiny that moves

[Retuks]

Or a Small spinner or just about anything shiny that moves

would shiny work in a tree infested area? not much sun hitting it. maybe some cut tilapia with skin left on it? i had very small luck with artificial bait. didnt know they ever worked :o lol.

[likestofish]

try flies like flyfishing poppers or adams dry flies.

[Retuks]

try flies like flyfishing poppers or adams dry flies.


will do. i got the load of those somewhere in my closet. they seem kinda big though about dime sized thick

[graffito]

pics???

[Retuks]

pics???

of the GT? or the fly bait?

[bumpylemon]

figure i would throw in my 2 cents. you need to get a seine. a 4'x4'. walk right up the streams with it....or kick seine....thats how i catch all my natives...ive caught every species that i wanted with it.

[Retuks]

figure i would throw in my 2 cents. you need to get a seine. a 4'x4'. walk right up the streams with it....or kick seine....thats how i catch all my natives...ive caught every species that i wanted with it.

how do i go about this in say, 1-3 feet deep (mostly 1 with rocks/twigs/and leaves), and about a 30 foot wide area with GTs handing out around the middle?

[henria86]

are you trying to catch GT giant trevally.... there great fighters...

http://www.hammer-head.jp/denis.nc66k.jpg

[esparonisproud]

soo did u catch them!!??

[Retuks]

are you trying to catch GT giant trevally.... there great fighters...

http://www.hammer-head.jp/denis.nc66k.jpg

LOL.

yes, in stream 3 feet deep with a 5lb line... i wonder why i never caught one yet???

and no i decided to leave the GREEN TERRORs be. i found fish i like better.

[esparonisproud]

so what did u go for??

[Retuks]

so what did u go for??

currently looking for glass headstanders in the trade. and when i get the time and money i'll head to lake wilson to catch some preds like silver needle fish.

[Sancha]

I think you should go back for the GTs!

[Retuks]

I think you should go back for the GTs!

they do seem like an interesting fish for the future. but recently i have had a taste for fish with large jaw structures and teeth.

the jack dempsey has a very tiny mouth and compared to a jag, pikes, or jack dempsey. it looks like it eats ants.