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Pyramid_Party
06-23-2009, 6:10 PM
My firemouth was found this morning on his side. Still alive but cant stay upright. I moved it to another tank, added a heater, filter and powerhead. Seems the fish is trying to fight but I feel it may die. I dont know what to do for it. It mostly lays on its side or back, then sometimes it gets upright and sometimes it trys to swim but it swims really disorientated and darts around mostly, then back on its side or back. I also noticed its fins are a little ragged. Any suggestions? Thx

Pyramid_Party
06-23-2009, 10:35 PM
Wow - nobody knows?

Any suggestions?

TwistedPenguin
06-23-2009, 11:23 PM
Did you just get him recently? I don't know, Pyramid.....the only times I've seen that with fish they've died pretty quickly. It may be a genetic problem. It's so hard to tell what it is.
I'm sorry though.

Quentin
06-23-2009, 11:28 PM
Are there other fish that may have been beating it up? Losing equilibrium is one of the first signs of life fading from fish. I'm sorry, but the future does not look bright, and recoveries after such a symptom are usually uncommon.

Pyramid_Party
06-24-2009, 4:03 AM
Fish is still alive even now, and its still on its side. Breathing is kinda normal. Just on its side though. No fish were picking on it,, the firemouth was more of the aggressive/feisty one.

Dmaan.
06-24-2009, 4:45 AM
it sounds like a swim blatter infection.
that crap looks terrible, i don't know if that disorder ever gets better?

CubanB
06-24-2009, 5:44 AM
yeah sounds lke a swim bladder disorder or bloat. unfortunately i don't think it's future is looking too bright :(

Spaz
06-24-2009, 7:41 AM
Try adding epsoms salt at 1Tbs to 5 gal.

piranhakeeper800
06-24-2009, 10:27 AM
it does sound like a swim bladder and it is not good

dent20
06-24-2009, 10:51 AM
The first Green Terror I ever bought ended up with a similar problem just a few weeks after I purchased him. I tried water changes and medication, but nothing helped. After a few days of watching him struggle on the bottom, I took him out. He was dead within seconds.

Pyramid_Party
06-24-2009, 3:20 PM
Yeah hes still alive now, hes on his side/back and still breathing. Breathing is kinda normal, just cant get upright. He doesnt look too good I dont think hes ever gonna get upright and back to normal. How can I euthanize him? I dont have any clove oil.

ward1066
06-24-2009, 3:25 PM
Yeah hes still alive now, hes on his side/back and still breathing. Breathing is kinda normal, just cant get upright. He doesnt look too good I dont think hes ever gonna get upright and back to normal. How can I euthanize him? I dont have any clove oil.

can you try moving him to a hospital tank? I have used a 5 gal bucket before with an airstone, make sure water temp and ph are similiar as tank, add lots of salt and epsoms. worth a try

indiana.dutton
06-24-2009, 3:36 PM
can you try moving him to a hospital tank? I have used a 5 gal bucket before with an airstone, make sure water temp and ph are similiar as tank, add lots of salt and epsoms. worth a try[/QUOTE]
I agree, isolate and treat him!

Dmaan.
06-24-2009, 3:42 PM
i don't know if you should keep this guy alive for much longer?
life would sure suck to live like that!

Citrinellus
06-24-2009, 4:07 PM
can you try moving him to a hospital tank? I have used a 5 gal bucket before with an airstone, make sure water temp and ph are similiar as tank, add lots of salt and epsoms. worth a try



I agree, isolate and treat him!


My firemouth was found this morning on his side. Still alive but cant stay upright. I moved it to another tank, added a heater, filter and powerhead. Seems the fish is trying to fight but I feel it may die. I dont know what to do for it. It mostly lays on its side or back, then sometimes it gets upright and sometimes it trys to swim but it swims really disorientated and darts around mostly, then back on its side or back. I also noticed its fins are a little ragged. Any suggestions? Thx

He already moved it to another tank. Sorry pyramid, but i have a feeling he is heading down the wrong path. I hope he is able to pull through.

beginneralex14
06-24-2009, 4:49 PM
is it still eating if so give him some peas

TwistedPenguin
06-24-2009, 6:09 PM
Yeah hes still alive now, hes on his side/back and still breathing. Breathing is kinda normal, just cant get upright. He doesnt look too good I dont think hes ever gonna get upright and back to normal. How can I euthanize him? I dont have any clove oil.

If you don't have clove oil the next best thing would be to put him in the freezer. I hate doing it that way but it beats letting him suffer.

Pyramid_Party
06-24-2009, 9:24 PM
Ive added salt already. I even added some antibiotics. It may be what is keeping the fish alive for a bit. I jsut dont know if I should try to keep him going. Hes on his side all the time. I see him move around and try to get up but cant do it.

It looks like hes suffering, for 2 days hes been on his side with fins moving. But moving very weak looking.

Im wondering if I should add another airstone, and maybe use something to prop him up and keep him upright. It just looks sad watching him the way he is.

bluehairman
06-24-2009, 9:43 PM
Don't add any current if he can't move he'll just die faster.
Something happened on the inside that probably wasn't your fault. It could be genetics, who knows.
Wait a little while.

seaofdreams
06-24-2009, 9:49 PM
You never know what will happen so don't do anything too drastic just yet. He might get better and it's hard to estimate pain in a fish.

KCOXTWO
06-25-2009, 12:21 PM
Same thing was going on with my clown loach, Bluehairman suggested I soak his food in meds before feeding. He's doing better now, its been 4 weeks not completely better still having some swimming control issues, but he's no longer laying on his side on the bottom. Hope this helps, Good luck with your sick guy too!

Pyramid_Party
06-25-2009, 5:50 PM
I dont think I can get any food to him, I dont think the fish will even know food is there, let alone have the strength to eat it.


Genetics could be a reason too for this. I had a firemouth previously that died similar to this one. And later I bought another and both came from the same place. These could jsut be weak fish.

bluehairman
06-25-2009, 8:32 PM
The aquariums at the fish store could be infected with a pathogen, but the fish are able to fight it off enough to stay alive. Then when put under stress of a new tank the infection gets the best of them.

Lumpy Gravy
06-25-2009, 8:55 PM
I wouldn't jump to any conclusions too quickly. My old Dempsey has a (presumably) genetic disorder which resulted in complete loss of swim bladder control. I tried every many medications, but nothing helped. He is still happily living on the bottom of the tank (soft sand) even a year later. He still eats and swims fine, but when not moving remains on the bottom of the aquarium. He got smart, and props himself up in the fake plants.

I talked with a vet once who said that it's likely a genetic disorder due to improper/poor breeding. I acquired the fish back before I started buying from reputable breeders, so it doesn't surprise me.

In your case, the rapid degradation may indicate something other than genetics. Try the salts an medicated foods first. Maybe increasing the temperature a couple of degrees will work it out. I would just make sure that the fish is eating. Make sure the food (sinking) gets close to it, so it doesn't have to move much.

Longimanus
06-25-2009, 9:25 PM
What kind of medication do you all recommend though? I have a Bala Shark with the same issues right now.