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texcichlid
07-02-2005, 12:13 PM
thinking of setting up a na tank w/ different types of sunfish. the types of fish i would like are a single large mouth bass, pumkinseed sunfish, and long eared sunfish. my questions are:
1. tank-how big? i know the bass will be large.
2. other fish? could i mix w/ cichlids, or anything else?
piranha45
07-02-2005, 12:25 PM
cichlids and centrarchids are practically twin fish families, I'd totally mix them up. Long-term I'd consider at least a 360g for the bass, but a 240g will last you a couple years if you want to upgrade later.
consider mixing 6 sunfish, one largemouth bass, 6 african cichlids, and 3-4 4-10" american cichlids (like JDs, salvini, convicts, rainbow cichlids, severums, istlanum, grammodes,) for a tank that would totally rock like no other.
If you want to stick with N.A. fish you could add Texas cichlid, yellow bullhead, yellow sucker. and bonytail ( 10", biright silver), stonerollers are cool also. Yould need a tank 240-350g but won't need a heater or chiller.
piranha45
07-02-2005, 1:29 PM
well, according to scientific studies, texas cichlids can't survive below 58F, so make sure its at least 60F...
texcichlid
07-02-2005, 1:33 PM
thanks! i thought the bass would need a huge tank. as for water conditions w/ sunfish, do they do well w/ a ph of 7+? if i mix, it will be w/ ca and sa cichlids. as for the bass it will be in a tank for a while (until too big), then i will make a pond and keep out side.
piranha45
07-02-2005, 1:37 PM
ph 6.5-8.5 is excellent for all cichlids and centrarchids
thanks! i thought the bass would need a huge tank. as for water conditions w/ sunfish, do they do well w/ a ph of 7+? if i mix, it will be w/ ca and sa cichlids. as for the bass it will be in a tank for a while (until too big), then i will make a pond and keep out side.
Without the bass you could get away with a 150g easy, as far as ph and hardness, sunnies are very adaptable, I've even seen them in tidal waters that turned somewhat brackish at hightide.
u dont neccessarily need a north american ONLY tank
i currently house smallmouth bass with Pbass, 11in male JD, wolf fish , jurenese cat, jardini , pickerel, clown loaches
and so on
tigerfish
07-03-2005, 3:12 AM
get a carpinte,just tell everyone it a texas
:hitting: Cheat :hitting: get a carpinte,just tell everyone it a texas
aztecfred
07-03-2005, 10:18 PM
Brother Delgado...
Our LOVELY San Diego tap water is HARD as a rock!! And alkaline as your
aunts underwear when hand washed in a vat of bicarbonate of soda!!!!
It SUCKS to drink(As you no doubt know) but AFRICAN CICHLIDS,
SUNFISH, LARGEMOUTH BASS and BULLHEAD CATS and CHANNEL CATS
SEEM to thrive in it. Also Midas cichlids and Dempseys and a lot of other
S. American Cichlids do ok in it.
As far as the heater..toss it, you wont need it. As far as mixing S. Americans and
Natives are concerned, I dont have much expereince in that, but if other people
here with way more experience than me in that area say it is ok...Id trust them.
There are a lot of sources for native fish out there, the classifieds here,
the Native American Fishs Association, and the various retailers and lfs.
Keeping natives is cool and isnt what everyone else has in their tanks.
Congrats!! PM me when you get time. Gonna send that heater temp info out
to you tonight.
AZTEC FRED
DeLgAdO
07-05-2005, 1:29 AM
It SUCKS to drink(As you no doubt know)
nope, i love to drink it right outta the tap, good stuff, i dont see how people dont like it, I HATE PURIFIED WATER!!, taste funny without the minerals and coldness.
the only purified water i like is aquafina,
btw, when i was in new york (manhattan)on spring break the hotel water TASTED JUST LIKE AQUAFINA!!!!!! i told my friends about it, they tries it and were tripin on that ****. i filled afew bottles and drank em as i went along the city.
aztecfred
07-05-2005, 3:19 PM
Bruddah.........Bruhhad...Bruddah...... :shakehead :shakehead :shakehead
You actually **DRINK OUR WATER**??? :lipsseale :eek:
(Aztec Fred takes Bro Delgados temps-via ear- to find out if he is suffering from a bout with Flu or Bird Flu or West Nile Virus)
You gotta be kidding? :hitting:
Man...the stuff tastes like......dirty aquarium water when you siphoned the oscar tank but stayed on the hose to long and now you are choking...choking..on this foul ass tasting stuff........... :cry:
I tend to like bottled water..OUR tap water is to hard for me(Does that make me soft?)
Man....I never thought Id find anyone that drank our stuff staright from the tap.......you ARE hardcore. :iagree:
(Aztec Fred tips hat to Delgado in recognition of his tougher digestive system)
Most Sincerely,
Your so cal bro,
Aztec Fred
DeLgAdO
07-05-2005, 6:08 PM
(Aztec Fred takes Bro Delgados temps-via ear- to find out if he is suffering from a bout with Flu or Bird Flu or West Nile Virus)
Man....I never thought Id find anyone that drank our stuff staright from the tap.......you ARE hardcore.
(Aztec Fred tips hat to Delgado in recognition of his tougher digestive system)
I tend to like bottled water..OUR tap water is to hard for me(Does that make me soft?)
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl: :rofl:
FYI - every largemouth bass I've ever kept in an aquarium has been super aggressive. They tend to outgrow a 75 gallon within 2 years. Good luck, local fish are neat.
Suggestions: Redfin picks stay smaller, white/yellow perch, sunnies all make better pets than bass
Small LMBass get picked on by same size bluegill, A little time goes and the tables are turned. They make fine pets when kept alone and canned be hand tamed like oscars but like mbhw says, THEY GROW QUICKLY, even a 150g will crowd it before very long. Their are lots of fine natives out there including some colorful darters that reack 10"s or more. look up the rainbow darter, so much color it looks like it should be salt water.
thamunsta
07-08-2005, 11:05 AM
i have a largemouth bass but its only this[ ]big it barely eats ground up flakes i also had a few fry but unfortunately they where quite delicate and died :(
i have a largemouth bass but its only this[ ]big it barely eats ground up flakes i also had a few fry but unfortunately they where quite delicate and died :(
It will like rinsed brine shrimp and black worms or tubifex.
Yr in Texas, so you should consider the state fish-the Guadalupe Bass. They're beautiful and not as mean/big as LM's. They are easier to get legally, too. You don't wanna get popped by the wardens just trying to stock a tank. Guadalupes are game fish, so they must be caught on hook and line, but there is no size limit. Drop a worm on a small hook in riffles near minnows in some Central Texas Rivers, and you could snag a little 'lupe. Check out Logperch, too. They're like overgrown, tiger-striped darters.