Eartheater ID?

[BRYANT]

Old thread: http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3592847&posted=1#post3592847
ID HELP? Thanks. Here are better pics:

[sick_lid]

I stick with my original guess, Alti type or Dicro.. Of course lots of people are going to guess Abalios because it's one of the easiest/closest guesses out there that seems to make them feel more credited here...

[darth pike]

I wondering if they aren't mixed. In that last pic, if you blow it up ... the fish on the far right with it's head cut out of the pic has a spot of only 3 scale lengths, which is an altifrons. But the main fish in the pic, the one looking up has what looks to be a spot 6 scales wide, which wouldn't be altifrons. I don't see any black mark on that one's cheek at all, which would rule out dicro's.

[raymondk]

idk 2 hard 2 tell

[BigPic]

I was at the store last night, I took a real good look at the Abalios and I thought of your other thread. Here are a couple pics of the Abalios in the store. . .

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/rayq/cichlids/geophagus-abalios-02.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/rayq/cichlids/geophagus-abalios-01.jpg


Dicrozoster don't have the split (or twin if you prefer) bars on the flanks, they do have solid wide bars and the bar in the same position on the flank as the lateral spot is forked.

This may just be one of those undescribed varients that were collected in large numbers at some point and are making their rounds in the hobby mis-identified.

I think the best thing in this case and many others, let em get to 5" or more and then we can have a go at an ID :ROFL:

[abarilot]

Sick_lid there is no need to be a douche! If you dont think I'm right about an ID tell me why so I can defend myself or learn something.

In the last thread Julian270 pointed out it might be G. altifrons "tocantins" and after looking at this site http://eartheaters.qldaf.com/index.php?page=altifronstocantins1
I agree. Unlike the other varieties of altifrons it seems this one has a much larger lateral spot.

Nice photos Bigpic! And yes as they get older the easier the ID will be!

[BigPic]

Thanks abarilot. Sick_lid, can I ask why you think that Abalios is the cop-out answer with this ID? There seem to be a lot of similarities IMHO, of course, I am by no means an expert.

[edburress]

My opinion: The pictures aren't sufficient for a definitive I.D. But, the first two lateral bars appear to dorsally bisect, a defining character of G. abalios, and generally speaking the eyes, flanks and tails all look suitable for G. abalios. The mid-lateral band seemingly does not split, nor do the fish seem elongate, and there does not seem to be any pre-opercular marks which should be visible in G. dicrozoster at that size (or at least soon). So, those things in combination, I don't think G. dicrozoster. There has been a fish circulating this year mis-labelled G. altifrons "Tapajos" that also resembles these fish. That fish is seemingly G. aff. altifrons with a regular sized abdominal spot and generally has a silvery-gray base color; and from Brazil (so not G. abalios, nor true G. altifrons).

Over 90% of the I.D. threads this year have been Geophagus abalios, that's probably why it's getting redundant.

OP... a side shot that clearly shows the stress bars would be great. They are nice looking fish either way :)

[BigPic]

My opinion: The pictures aren't sufficient for a definitive I.D. But, the first two lateral bars appear to dorsally bisect, a defining character of G. abalios, and generally speaking the eyes, flanks and tails all look suitable for G. abalios. The mid-lateral band seemingly does not split, nor do the fish seem elongate, and there does not seem to be any pre-opercular marks which should be visible in G. dicrozoster at that size (or at least soon). So, those things in combination, I don't think G. dicrozoster. There has been a fish circulating this year mis-labelled G. altifrons "Tapajos" that also resembles these fish. That fish is seemingly G. aff. altifrons with a regular sized abdominal spot and generally has a silvery-gray base color; and from Brazil (so not G. abalios, nor true G. altifrons).


I wish I could have put my thoughts to the keyboard so eloquently.

[BRYANT]

My opinion: The pictures aren't sufficient for a definitive I.D. But, the first two lateral bars appear to dorsally bisect, a defining character of G. abalios, and generally speaking the eyes, flanks and tails all look suitable for G. abalios. The mid-lateral band seemingly does not split, nor do the fish seem elongate, and there does not seem to be any pre-opercular marks which should be visible in G. dicrozoster at that size (or at least soon). So, those things in combination, I don't think G. dicrozoster. There has been a fish circulating this year mis-labelled G. altifrons "Tapajos" that also resembles these fish. That fish is seemingly G. aff. altifrons with a regular sized abdominal spot and generally has a silvery-gray base color; and from Brazil (so not G. abalios, nor true G. altifrons).

Over 90% of the I.D. threads this year have been Geophagus abalios, that's probably why it's getting redundant.

OP... a side shot that clearly shows the stress bars would be great. They are nice looking fish either way :)
Black spot isn't visible due to stressed from being netted out but here ya go..

[BRYANT]

Vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NekO73sdvaI

[zero_go]

Edburess is the man!

[BRYANT]

Edburess is the man!
:headbang2

[sick_lid]

Sick_lid there is no need to be a douche! If you dont think I'm right about an ID tell me why so I can defend myself or learn something.

Easy cowgirl, I don't recall pointing you out. I told you I was confused at your answer in the last thread, and you failed to give me a reasonable answer.

I have never seen an Abalios with spotting like that, on the body and on the tail. I'm no expert, it was just my answer. Granted there is a LOT of Surinamensis types that resemble an Abalios, it seems it's always the first name to be thrown out there. The fish in question also seems to be too long for an Abalios.

[CarlosN]

Seems like Surinamensis to me.

[ronnie08]

Old thread: http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3592847&posted=1#post3592847
ID HELP? Thanks. Here are better pics:

sorry to dig an old thread up but..i just wana comfirm that is it ok to have scat's in full fresh water as per in the photo's...thanks.

[BRYANT]

sorry to dig an old thread up but..i just wana comfirm that is it ok to have scat's in full fresh water as per in the photo's...thanks.
People say that they should be in brackish, but imo I have kept them in full fresh and they're fine along with other members on here. Just make sure you feed them at least once daily because they feed nonstop.

[ronnie08]

cool thanks...just what i wanted to hear...oh well iam off to the lfs..