Catfish Bonanza

[basslover34]

You move quick lol.
LOL you need to know these things LOL and if you don't want it then I NEED TO KNOW these things LOL

[necrocanis]

I have to make quick decisions because my wife will only let me get cheap catfish for christmas and if I get this one I might be out of luck on the others I want..........Would be nice to still be able to raise my dream fish though.

[basslover34]

I have to make quick decisions because my wife will only let me get cheap catfish for christmas and if I get this one I might be out of luck on the others I want..........Would be nice to still be able to raise my dream fish though.
I say go for it! :grinno: I won't tell her :ROFL:

[malawi haps]

Sorry to hear about your loss clif !! I say go for it if it is your dream fish 60$ cant stand in the way of that.

[Salt Life]

nice cats fish man

[necrocanis]

Sorry to hear about your loss clif !! I say go for it if it is your dream fish 60$ cant stand in the way of that.

I think I will. Thanks for all the encouragement guys.

[necrocanis]

That wasn't a jau, so I have to do without. Here's some pics of the RTC in his makeshift q-tank, and back in the pond all healed up. Also some of the big boy already posted elsewhere. Enjoy!!

[TLkmDN]

That wasn't a jau, so I have to do without. Here's some pics of the RTC in his makeshift q-tank, and back in the pond all healed up. Also some of the big boy already posted elsewhere. Enjoy!!
oooo good to see that the fish are all pretty much back to normal! i like ure RTC he looks really goofy. its like his eyes are larger than usual!

[necrocanis]

oooo good to see that the fish are all pretty much back to normal! i like ure RTC he looks really goofy. its like his eyes are larger than usual!

Yeah, he has big white markings around his eyes. Makes them look larger than normal. He's a clown!!!:hitting:

[Mystus Redtail]

So cliff, I'm wondering if, all in all, you are happy with that 1100 gallon pond, I'm really considering going the same way in the next 8 months and I'm wondering how you would rate it? I know you're working on a new pond, but are you going to keep the 1100 going?

[necrocanis]

So cliff, I'm wondering if, all in all, you are happy with that 1100 gallon pond, I'm really considering going the same way in the next 8 months and I'm wondering how you would rate it? I know you're working on a new pond, but are you going to keep the 1100 going?

I rate it a 6 out of 10 for my situation. Maybe I just got a crappy one, but it leaks like crazy. I did a test filll when I first got it and it leaked. So I drained it found the leak and fixed it. Added a internal filter and bam leaks again. So again drain it and patch it and refill it. There were no holes just that when it would get scrapped it will leak and water will build up after a while. I tried adding sand hoping that tiny debris would fill any holes, well leaks worse. Stopped leaking for a while, I added rocks. 2 weeks later leaking again. Been leaking continously for 3 months now. Catfish punched a hole in the side one time and I had to patch that. It's just too aggrevating for me, but there's other members who say they never have a problem, but with all the problems I have fixed I could have built the new pond by now. So I am giving up on making it stop leaking and just building the bigger pond. I have the plans, most of the lumber is free, and I have help. So just time to get started! lol. I say just make sure you are really carefull and you could make it last a year or two probably. I can't tear it down to repatch it ever week or two so it's just gonna leak until the big one is finished. You may want to talk to other's about theirs as mine could just be a bad one, or one that sat in storage at a store for a few years and got dry rotted a little. Over all it works for the purpose of keeping fish, but IMO it's not the answer.

[Mystus Redtail]

That's what I was afraid of, the deal did sound a little too good to be true. How big is the new one going to be? And how long do you think it will take?

[necrocanis]

Gonna take a lil while I would imagine since I will be doing most of the work myself. Going to seal the inside with sweetwater epoxy after doing some fiberglass. Only doing like one coat of fiber glass and like 4 coats of epoxy, plus there will be a 5.5'x2.5' viewing window. The tank as of right now will be 14' x 10' x 3.5' Those are the outside dimensions the internal dimensions will be more like 13' x 9' x 3' The filter will be
10' x 3' x 3.5' sealed the same way as the tank at the same height as the tank. The filter will have a bottom drain that will provide gravity upflow hopefully keeping the bottom a lil cleaner. It will also have one overflow. The filter will be in two sections at the end of the tank. They both will have an upflow into the first chamber, which will be a settling chamber, after it flows up through that chamber it will overflow through poly batting into the drip tray. The drip tray will have a section under each that will be roughly 2' x 3' x 3.5' of wetdry pot scrubbies. Then it will flow into the basin where the pump will push the water back into the tank. That's pretty much it. It will also be insulated like house walls, and have a big sturdy lid with plenty of cross bracing.

[amazonfishman]

Haven't been on the boards lately that much but just reviewed your thread man. Really sorry to hear about the Jau, I will do my best to track you down another one because shortly after xmas I'm going on a rare catfish binge I think and I just might know someone able to find one...

In other news have you heard back from Dre yet about that fish you and I were looking for? I haven't heard anything from him in about a month and a half after I was told that the collectors were busy finding us some...just curious. I'm going to email him again later this week to find out what the deal is. Also some interesting pangasius news if you're interested pm me about that.

Lastly, with regards to the pond, I think you might have just gotten a "lemon." Mine was leak tested with various stages of water when I first set it up and no problems. Added 300lbs of pool filter sand and large driftwood pieces, still no problems. Fish have been in there for 6 months or more including several fish in the 2ft range (catfish) and still no leaks of any kind (knock on wood) I wouldn't rate it as the best setup by any stretch of the imagination but it gets the job done. Aesthetically pleasing, certainly not; functional, absolutely. I to plan on building a larger/better pond in the future but my means are at the limit on space right now so mine will have to wait. I'm looking forward to a full how to write up on your new pond and glad to hear that all your others are recovering from their "winter" Let it be known also now that apparently some of those SA cats are a little more cold hardy than most have thought; not necessarily long term but that temp is significanlty lower than any they would have encountered otherwise by 10 degrees or more probably and they survived. I will be breaking my pond down in the next week for some major maintence per se and it will be down for about 2 weeks. Hopefully if all goes as planned the fish will be enjoying a 2 week stay all expenses paid at "key promotional music" the dallas world aquarium! I have been talking with the owner/head of the aquarium and I think they have the space to house them for me while I rework the pond. It should be a good time to get some accurate measurements both length and weight on some of my bigger shovelnose.

Props on the growth of your little hyrbid, I'm toiling with the idea of investing in another one but I just don't want to get another and have it spotaneously die on me like the last one within a few days...also those niger x tsn hyrbids have been catching my eye lately and they don't seem to be plagued by the same sudden death that the marble x rtc's are... Those limas are looking great! ~Trent

[niblit]

Awsome fish tonight I'll figure out how to post pics of my cats

[CATFISHMAN41]

what is the name of the catfish that looks like a lepord . as in the fish name not what you named it.

[basslover34]

This one? It's a Hybrid


http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=151853&d=1197157780

[bukster]

rtc x tsn. by far the favorite of all my fish.

[Ben_Jam_In]

nice catfish i just read this whole thread im sorry about your jau thats was an amazing looking catfish. what happend to your little rtc you got. the second one?

[necrocanis]

nice catfish i just read this whole thread im sorry about your jau thats was an amazing looking catfish. what happend to your little rtc you got. the second one?

My wife happened to that one. She unplugged the tank I had him in while I was out at work, and hmm, for some reason she didn't realize that my fish might need filtration and air. So long story short he was almost a skeleton when I got home after a 5 day tour of duty.

Tnx for all the great comments guys. Trent there's someone working on the one you want the most right now. I'll keep you updated if I am able to get anything. I appreciate the heads up on the possible jaus. I am definitely pocketing some money for one just in case so that I can pounce on it.

[necrocanis]

This one? It's a Hybrid


http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=151853&d=1197157780

He ate 2 pompano that were 10" and 5" tall in about 20 seconds earlier.

[necrocanis]

Here's a few pics of my marble rtc. He's going into the big pond tomorrow, and I'll be puting my super wetdry on the big boy's pond. These pics were hard to take as the hybrid decided that he would just hide all day and I have to take blind pics in the night just to get a few of him. I know the tank needs cleaned too lol.:headbang2

[TLkmDN]

Here's a few pics of my marble rtc. He's going into the big pond tomorrow, and I'll be puting my super wetdry on the big boy's pond. These pics were hard to take as the hybrid decided that he would just hide all day and I have to take blind pics in the night just to get a few of him. I know the tank needs cleaned too lol.:headbang2
ooo big day for him! how big is he now??? wouldnt he get beaten up by ure RTC?

[necrocanis]

ooo big day for him! how big is he now??? wouldnt he get beaten up by ure RTC?

Big pond, plus he's about 15" and the rtc still is only about 16" I feel safe. He's growing faster than the rtc since the rtc got sick it cut some growth rate off. He's eating again now so we'll see who grows faster! Had the rtc for 7 months got him at 1.5" and had the mrtc for 5 months got him at 4"

[Ben_Jam_In]

i love all your catfish. i cant wait to see how big the marbled rtc in the pond. yeah i was thinking about geting the two limas at my work but after reading this thread im going to pick them up this week. i also might be geting a bigger lima donated to me.

[njackson]

here a website what tell what hybird u can get http://www.planetcatfish.com/shanesworld/shanesworld.php?article_id=180.

hope it helps

[necrocanis]

here a website what tell what hybird u can get http://www.planetcatfish.com/shanesworld/shanesworld.php?article_id=180.

hope it helps

That list is a little outdated, but cool none the less. A marble x lima seems pretty cool lol.

[njackson]

nice hybrid

i know its cool:)

but i have seen more hybrids like the rct x bolt catfish what not on the website page and more catfish

[ZOO YORK 207]

Awesome update Cliff.

Cliff I gotta ask what's next you crazy catfish freak lol. When my Paroon gets too big I'll send him to you ;). My LFS has 2 big cats waiting for you Cliff. A big RTC about 18" and a big ol Marble pim about 20".

[necrocanis]

Awesome update Cliff.

Cliff I gotta ask what's next you crazy catfish freak lol. When my Paroon gets too big I'll send him to you ;). My LFS has 2 big cats waiting for you Cliff. A big RTC about 18" and a big ol Marble pim about 20".

the marble would be nice. I've got a 17" RTC right now though lol. I'm far too far away though.:(

[peanut]

nice fish

[njackson]

have any body here of a Aguarunichthys inpai .

[Ben_Jam_In]

do yu have any new pics of your hybred you just put in the pond.

[necrocanis]

do yu have any new pics of your hybred you just put in the pond.

When I went to get the pond ready for his arrival. I noticed that all the fish in there had went through a growth spurt since the last time I had the tarp off the top. They are huge. He'll have to wait another month or two before he's ready to go in with the big boys. He's a little smaller than I though once I went to net him. Some of the catfish in the big pond are approaching 20". I'd have to say that the albino channel cat is right at that mark along with lumpy the oldest tsn. The rtc is right at 17" and fat as all get out. The hybrid mrtc is only about 14-15" and way too thin to be in with the rtc. His head is maybe 2-2 1/2" wide, and the rtc is 4" wide. That spells disaster wtih a newly introduced fish!!!:WHOA:

[Ben_Jam_In]

When I went to get the pond ready for his arrival. I noticed that all the fish in there had went through a growth spurt since the last time I had the tarp off the top. They are huge. He'll have to wait another month or two before he's ready to go in with the big boys. He's a little smaller than I though once I went to net him. Some of the catfish in the big pond are approaching 20". I'd have to say that the albino channel cat is right at that mark along with lumpy the oldest tsn. The rtc is right at 17" and fat as all get out. The hybrid mrtc is only about 14-15" and way too thin to be in with the rtc. His head is maybe 2-2 1/2" wide, and the rtc is 4" wide. That spells disaster wtih a newly introduced fish!!!:WHOA:

lol he would be a snack for the rtc i cant wait to see him in there.

[necrocanis]

There will be three little suprises at my house tomorrow!
can anyone say
Filamentosum
Jurense
Rita rita
if anyone is interest in getting one of these contact me for more info. I'd be glad to point you in the right direction! Pictures tomorrow or friday!!!

[basslover34]

Hey Cliff .. check this out it's a file I've had for a few weeks now, an x-ray pic of a Rita Rita :D

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[mkman]

Cliff, you owe me thanks for helping you find those surprises! :-) :-) :-)

[necrocanis]

Hey Cliff .. check this out it's a file I've had for a few weeks now, an x-ray pic of a Rita Rita :D

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I've seen that one on digimorph.com one of my favorite sites. They are parteners with the all species foundation. Rita rita get huge! Can't believe it was only $7. this will be my first catfish from India.

Cliff, you owe me thanks for helping you find those surprises! :-) :-) :-)

Yes, thank you very, very much! You came through in a big way to help me get my dream fish. Now if the air ports will cooperate and answer their phones I can get my fish tomorrow. If not it will be yet another week! grrrrrrrr:irked: I was hoping just for the Filamentosum, but getting the other two was a big suprise. These are three of the catfish that I have been researching for years, and never thought I would ever be able to own. I was hoping to be able to study skeletal articulations in a museum someday, but own one? This is nuts! Might have to up the gallonage on the 4000 gal. I need a quick fix to my leakage problem. So first tank will be in the 750 gal range. Like 8' x 4' x 3'. Then I can start on the Fila-tank of 6k+ gals. I'm just going to save the materials and plan it to the T! Shouldn't take too long to complete the 750 gal.

[Pleco-nation]

some great pick ups those are two fish on my hit list great job:headbang2

[mkman]

Cliff, you gonna have to post pics of the fila and the other two catfish when you get them. Awesome that you were able to finally get all three catfish you wanted!

How big do Rita Rita and Jurense get???

I'm waiting to get something in from the airport too! I'm sure you can guess what it is :-)

[mkman]

Oh yeah Cliff, how much is the rita ritas anyways?

[alex2158]

im quite a slow reader i just read word for word this whole thread and omg my head is bursting with info i love the thread man and i wish u luck with all ur catfish :) :)

[TLkmDN]

POST PICS !!! i wana see the new fish wen they come! cant believe u actually got ure dream fish..im so jealous :p

[necrocanis]

Cliff, you gonna have to post pics of the fila and the other two catfish when you get them. Awesome that you were able to finally get all three catfish you wanted!

How big do Rita Rita and Jurense get???

I'm waiting to get something in from the airport too! I'm sure you can guess what it is :-)

Jurense don't get much more than 2', but the rita can grow to 5'. Needless to say the jurense will be in the medium sized catfish tank I'll be setting up.

Oh yeah Cliff, how much is the rita ritas anyways?

$7

im quite a slow reader i just read word for word this whole thread and omg my head is bursting with info i love the thread man and i wish u luck with all ur catfish :) :)

Thanks

POST PICS !!! i wana see the new fish wen they come! cant believe u actually got ure dream fish..im so jealous :p


I would post pics, but for some reason the airport is not answering the phone for the dealer. Grrrrr!!! As soon as I have the fish I will post pics!

[milokai]

yeah!!!got my true dorado cat...filimentosum,,,about 4inches got 2 of them..very nice.:nilly:

[mkman]

Keep us updated when you get your cats! I got my cats right now! Picked it up from airport at 9:30 pm!!!

[headbanger_jib]

man that is o cool
i would love to see that filamentosum

[ITHURTZ]

Wheres the pangasius

[necrocanis]

yeah!!!got my true dorado cat...filimentosum,,,about 4inches got 2 of them..very nice.:nilly:

Keep us updated when you get your cats! I got my cats right now! Picked it up from airport at 9:30 pm!!!

Keep rubbing it in guys :cry:

Starting to get a little irritated. I want my cats. I paid for them. I still don't have them. Hulk getting angry!:nilly::FIREdevil

[mkman]

Cliff, the anticipation is killing you! lol. When they arrive you'll be jumping up for joy!
What do you recommend as food for small catfish?

[necrocanis]

I suggest blood worms or finely chopped krill or shrimp. The problem is he doesn't even know when he can ship the fish, and I am left here waiting with no info. I see everyone else has their's without a problem, but yet I wait. It frustrates me to no end.

[mkman]

I wonder if its your airport that is causing the delay? John was really quick in telling me when he can ship. Maybe there aren't very many flights going to montana or something like that.

[necrocanis]

I wonder if its your airport that is causing the delay? John was really quick in telling me when he can ship. Maybe there aren't very many flights going to montana or something like that.

We're trying again this comming monday and tuesday. Only difference is the order will now include a baby jau.
That's 3 new species and my 2nd jau.

[kntrygrl4lyfe]

Good thing it waited some! Im suppose to get mine tomorrow. Cost alot to get them over to me! He was saying on the phone how he has to try to ship them to montana again. Figured he was talking about you, lol

[necrocanis]

Good thing it waited some! Im suppose to get mine tomorrow. Cost alot to get them over to me! He was saying on the phone how he has to try to ship them to montana again. Figured he was talking about you, lol

Definitely talking about me. I don't think there's another catfish hoarder in montana. lol

[kntrygrl4lyfe]

LOL.

Sucks living where there isnt much. He was trying hard to find something to work to get them to me also. So don't feel bad.

[mkman]

Wonderful Cliff! You getting another jau! Hope mon/tue you get your shipment.

Both of you post what freebies John gives you.

[necrocanis]

Wonderful Cliff! You getting another jau! Hope mon/tue you get your shipment.

Both of you post what freebies John gives you.

Freebies would be a plus, hopefully they're catfish lol. Fish that aren't catfish generally end up as catfish food in my tanks. Somehow the 4 oscars living in the big pond with my rtc, channel catfish, and 2 tsn have not been eaten yet. They are fairly large though. One is pretty small and stunted. I just rescued 2 oscars and a free 55 gal tank that they lived in. That might just be the first home of the new cats lol. 3 of the four have huge growth potentials. I just hope I can keep up with them. I always manage somehow!

[kntrygrl4lyfe]

just got mine! I got some woodcats I think as my freebies? there where 3 one in its own bag then two in one bag. The one in its own bag looks different. BUT I got mine! The fila looks a little different then everyone elses. In the bag looked like he didnt have the spots like the others Ive seen post pics up. Maybe he is stressed. And the Jaus look good.

[necrocanis]

post pics somewhere!!! lol I have to live vicariously until I can get mine!

[kntrygrl4lyfe]

Sorry, had to find the camera.

Ok, here is the Fila and Jau #1
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/lilstrwburyangl/DSCF2055.jpg

Jau#2

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/lilstrwburyangl/DSCF2063.jpg

And the 3 free ones. The two lighter ones have a huge mouth, and the dark one has a tiny mouth. Dont know what they are. They are still in the bucket till I find a place for them.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/lilstrwburyangl/DSCF2038.jpg

[necrocanis]

I'm sure the pics look great, but lol, my work computers block all hotlink picture sites. If your pictures are hosted I can't see them. I'm really interested to see the jau, can you upload one of those directly through MFK so that I can see it? Or you can email them directly to me at clifford.kinsman@malmstrom.af.mil tnx

[Lion8974]

I just joined this board yesterday and I thoroughly enjoyed reading your posts and updates, necrocanis

[mkman]

AWESOME!! You got your cats and some freebie wood cats!!! :D :D

Be sure to post feedback for John and of course show some photos over you know where!

[basslover34]

WOO HOO ... those look awsome :D

Congrats, making me jealous

[headbanger_jib]

those jau look great
congrats dude

[headbanger_jib]

hey necro how come you don't have a tig:confused:

[kntrygrl4lyfe]

Sorry Cliff!

here these should work for you

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=42242&size=1 (http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=42242&size=1)

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=42241&size=1 (http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=42241&size=1)

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=42240&size=1 (http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=42240&size=1)

[kntrygrl4lyfe]

ok those three he sent with them are 2 unidentified wood cat from Peru and the single is an otorongo cat?

[necrocanis]

Can't tell from that pic what those are, but they all look great!

[mkman]

necro........planiceps are coming......HINT HINT act quick man.

KNTRYgrl let us know when you see the filas eating!

[wayne the pain]

post some pix of wood cats, the two are probably Trachelyichthys exilis, but would like a better look, and of the other one :)

[necrocanis]

necro........planiceps are coming......HINT HINT act quick man.

KNTRYgrl let us know when you see the filas eating!

I wish, wife would kill me though. I need a better paying job so that I can afford these cats when they are available. AKA during the winter. Heating bills kill during the cold a$$ winters here in montana. My bill ran $450 last month. Starting to think my house is not double insulated like the realator said!:irked: Had to put off construction on the tank some more due to these crazy bills too! Electric bills are up since the tank heaters are running like non-stop! GRRRRRR :wall::wall::wall::wall:

post some pix of wood cats, the two are probably Trachelyichthys exilis, but would like a better look, and of the other one :)

me too!

[necrocanis]

The only planiceps I owned was found after 7 years of trying. I would love to own another one, but I guess I will have to wait until next time if there is a next time. If anyone gets one and later on can't house it let me know in PM i'd take it off your hands after you grow it out. Hey that's a good idea. If you can't house any catfish you own, I promise that you can grow it out and give it to me for a finder's fee, plus shipping lol. Anyone interested? Get a planiceps to growout for me lol!

[mkman]

LOL. I don't see the big deal about planiceps anyways. Whats the update on your cats? Being shipped monday?

[necrocanis]

LOL. I don't see the big deal about planiceps anyways. Whats the update on your cats? Being shipped monday?

John is supposed to call me sunday, and tell me when they should be here. He says he will definitely ship them monday, and weather pending Hopefully I will get them monday afternoon or early tuesday.:D

[necrocanis]

I just joined this board yesterday and I thoroughly enjoyed reading your posts and updates, necrocanis

Sometimes it's hard for me to catch everyone's comments. Thank you very much and welcome to MFK. If you have any questions don't be affraid to ask!:headbang2

[necrocanis]

:irked:Looks like Montana winter weather may rob me of another chance to get my catfish here. Might be yet another week!:irked: Temps down to -7 on Monday and tuesday, and tons of snow over the next 6 days! :nilly: Anyone willing to let me ship my catfish to their house and then drive them to me? lol

[kntrygrl4lyfe]

If you wernt so far away I would! :)

I tried to get pics of the wood cats... they never want to come out:irked:

[mkman]

Keep your fingers crossed Cliff!!!! Definitely might be a better idea, have someone in a state close to you order and you pick it up at there house considering weather is sooooo bad were you are at.

[wayne the pain]

Hey Necro was at my lfs today, had a albino R rita in, worked out at about 30$.:)

[Mystus Redtail]

Here's one for your sig,


Hey necro, I don't know whether to consider you an inspiration or a bad influence. LOL

[necrocanis]

Keep your fingers crossed Cliff!!!! Definitely might be a better idea, have someone in a state close to you order and you pick it up at there house considering weather is sooooo bad were you are at.
Well seeing as how I have a crappy cavalier as my vehicle, montana is covered in snow, and the closest border is 4 hours away, I'm not willing to do that one lol. There's a mountain pass in every direction except canada! I get home later tonight. Right now no snow, but I'm not holding my breath for monday. I'll just play it safe, and he says we'll try later in the week.


Hey Necro was at my lfs today, had a albino R rita in, worked out at about 30$.:)
Did you get it? I love albinos, but I like the price of my $7 rita more, although with shipping, it's about the same.

Here's one for your sig,


Hey necro, I don't know whether to consider you an inspiration or a bad influence. LOL
Hopefully both. I want every MFK to have a huge catfish in their collection! It's my goal for global catfish domination (GCD):naughty:

[kntrygrl4lyfe]

both my Jaus died today. :confused: the first one was torn up looking,and then the second one its like the left side was dead... His whisker wasgone his gill wasnt moving onthat side andhis fin was almost gone. this morning they where perfect:confused::(

[basslover34]

both my Jaus died today. :confused: the first one was torn up looking,and then the second one its like the left side was dead... His whisker wasgone his gill wasnt moving onthat side andhis fin was almost gone. this morning they where perfect:confused::(
Sounds like a heck of a fight... Sorry to hear about your fish though :(

[mkman]

KNTRYgrl, were both jaus together in one tank??? Do you think they killed each other? Another member mentioned that his jaus showed aggression so he separated each other.

If they were perfect earlier then something happened!

[necrocanis]

That sux about the jaus. They are mean lil SOBs. They are gorgeous though.

[kntrygrl4lyfe]

They ever messed with each other. Guess they decided to be aggressive today. I would get some more but shipping over to me sucks! Its a hole in the pocket.

[mkman]

Sorry to hear about it. I'm sure John can get more and hey maybe during the summer you can order again???

Or convince hubby to let you order 1 more fila and 2 more jaus and thats it for a while?

[Tripletail]

Sorry for the loss kntrygrl. My 2 are still together, initially when I first put minnows in the tank, one of them got really territorial ,then once he had a full belly he was fine,and they dont seem to fight anymore. I have a lot of minnows in and they can catch dinner quick, I think if they hunted for along time with no minnows caught, and kept meeting another brother they would fight. They stay on opposite sides of the tank now, seems they have thier territories worked out.so far.

[Ben_Jam_In]

that sucks you didnt get your cats yet cant wait to see pics.

[necrocanis]

I have them, and I'll post up pics of everyone later!

[necrocanis]

Pics Pics Pics!

[mkman]

AWESOME CLIFF!! The jurense is a lot bigger than the fila but very soon the fila will over take it!!

Is that some kind of glass catfish above the lima? Its transparent

[Bgonz]

VERY, VERY NICE :drool:


Whats you projected cost to feed your Catfish Army at full size :D




bob

[Scorponok]

Very impressive collection.

How big is that TSN and where did you get it?

[basslover34]

VERY, VERY NICE :drool:


Whats you projected cost to feed your Catfish Army at full size :D




bob
about enough to buy a fishing boat LOL

[artemis1]

WOW! Nice fish man!!! How big is the pond?

Cool RTC and TSN B)

[necrocanis]

The pond is 1100 gals right now. I'd have to say if the fish were all full grown they would more than likely consume about 100 lbs of shrimp every other day, and that would just maintain them. The fila has yet to eat. All the other fish have eaten. The transparent catfish are an unidentified Ageneiosus species that stays really small.

[necrocanis]

Very impressive collection.

How big is that TSN and where did you get it?

There are three tsn, 20", 19", and 13". Got them all here at local petstores in montana. Everytime they accidentally get one I scoop it up before anyone else can. I don't let montana fish keepers keep large catfish. There is not many people here equiped to keep such fish. I've rescued many fish here, but unfortunately most are eaten by my catfish. I still have 3 rescued plecos, 4 rescued oscars, and a rescued jag. They were all big already or they would have been eaten. Mostly huge goldfish are what I rescued, but most don't play nice with my hybrid lol.

[bigfishsmallpond]

are we going to keep this thread on forever?.......LOL

[necrocanis]

are we going to keep this thread on forever?.......LOL

Cool cats, and if I can help it yes!!!

[mkman]

bigfish, is pic two a L. Alexandri aka pacman cat????

[wayne the pain]

bigfish, is pic two a L. Alexandri aka pacman cat????

No its a Chaca :)

[Kobeclone]

It took me two sittings to read this beast of a thread. Great cats necro. The size of the hybrid is astonishing. I have never seen one that large.

[artemis1]

nice tigrinum bigfishsmallpond :)

[karlamaria]

I loved reading this whole thread, and I am glad to see someone from Montana! I sure wish there was a montana club out there some where. :( thank you for the awsome insight on your fish.

[necrocanis]

No one says we can't start one. I know many people here in great falls, with fish. Seen some nice tanks up to about 750 gals.

[artemis1]

nice tigrinum bigfishsmallpond :)]

woops, meant tigirinus

[karlamaria]

No one says we can't start one. I know many people here in great falls, with fish. Seen some nice tanks up to about 750 gals.

are you willing to start a montana club? this way we can help each other out in finding more of what we want need, buy sell. :)

[bigfishsmallpond]

bigfish, is pic two a L. Alexandri aka pacman cat????

no its chaca chaca cat

[bigfishsmallpond]

]

woops, meant tigirinus

thanck you

[necrocanis]

few pics of some of my cats taken today.

[artemis1]

Nice pics and fish man! Are those MRTC MarblexRTC??? They're really cool fish in my opinion :D BTW, is that a fila?

[Kobeclone]

beautiful fish

[necrocanis]

are you willing to start a montana club? this way we can help each other out in finding more of what we want need, buy sell. :)

What are you looking for again? There would only be two of us so far lol.


Nice pics and fish man! Are those MRTC MarblexRTC??? They're really cool fish in my opinion :D BTW, is that a fila?

Top one is a fila, middle is a MRTC at 14-15", and the last one is my baby Jau. I know, I keep way too many monster cats together! lol.

beautiful fish

Thank you very much!

[necrocanis]

Here's the latest pics of my babies! Jau is now 6" and growing fast as hell. Piraiba is 5.5", and jurense seems not to grow at all, but eats ok. Also look at the colors on all my fish. They amaze me really!

[ITHURTZ]

pangasius ftw

[milokai]

NICE COLLECTION NECROCANIS!! filas doing good.

[X24]

It must feel kind of weird keeping all of these babies knowing they will eventually be larger then the tank they are in now.

I LOVE seeing all the kittens though!

[necrocanis]

Watch out though. The lfs got in a suprise today!!! Yeah, I'm gonna be bustin out my ears with huge catfish lol. That's ok though. I've got most of the wood for the big tank, and the glass, now I just have to start putting it all together, and get the fiberglass, and epoxy!

[bigfishsmallpond]

just got this one to day

[bigfishsmallpond]

more pics

[artemis1]

Whoah, nice niger!!!

[artemis1]

or turkershi...nice doradid! how about that lol

[Aqua Sanctuary]

Catfish Bonanza!!! looking good!

[necrocanis]

Those are blue catfish notice the straight edge on the anal fin, in channels it's curved kinda like a semi circle!

[fobrinkle]

Nice collection

[bigfishsmallpond]

look what i have
this planiceps is les than 1"
but will be a monster soon

[originalsurf]

Hey guys i'm looking for info on this new cat I got from John. He calls it a Blue Hasser from Peru.

[wayne the pain]

Sounds like Hassar wilderi :)

[Lion8974]

more pics


I wish I could get one of those bad boys! Unfortunately, it would be an expensive meal in the end to my RTC or TSN.

Side note: I just love this thread!

[necrocanis]

Here's some updated pics of all my fish. Big boy is really thick! He's been bulking more than growing lately. All the other fish are getting big also. Hope you all enjoy!

[ITHURTZ]

heres a update on my pangasius

My little guy, 3"
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3443/smallcatld4.jpg

My big guy, 5"
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4011/bigcatfo3.jpg

Stuffed with tropical crisps. It seems they are total pigs when the lights are off and there is food on the bottom

[oscar n redtail cat]

wow great cats guy's im picking up my rtc and tsn in 3 week's hopefuly :)

[oscar n redtail cat]

i luv the channle cats i want some but carnt find them !

[necrocanis]

Channel cats suprised me. I wasn't really into native NA cats until I rescued some channels. One is now 21" and the other was eaten by my now dead jau. Hopefully the new jau will find his place in the pecking order faster than the other one. Everyone has a good head start on him now though lol.

[necrocanis]

Wow, looking through my thread and I realize that you guys need an update on all my fish. I'll see what I can do tomorrow. The redtail looks tiny in these pics compared to how big he is now. Litterally in the last 3 months he's added about 7" in length. Definitely right at 24"+ right now and plans are in the works for him to go in with the big boy for a test run in a week.

[dragonfish]

Can't wait to see updates. Look forward to seeing mine grow like that.

[oscar n redtail cat]

update i still love this fish ill give u some updat of my tsn n rtc n my new cat ?? and when my niger catfish comes :D

[necrocanis]

Pictures say a thousand words, but as a quick update the big boy is healthy as ever and is eating tons, and growing tons. The rtc is growing out of control and eating way more than the big boy ever thought about eating. Found out today that my jurense only has one eye, but that doesn't stop him from finding his food, and he's now around the 10" mark. I have two imperial sharks, and two irridescent sharks growing like weeds. I have two SA bumblebee catfish that have grown from 1.5" to 3" in just 3 months. My smallest lima has grown from 1.5" to 5". He was free so it's all good. My neighbor has a rtc which might go into my tank if we can't get his tank built quick enough, but I want him to keep it for life. The jau is crazy huge at 12" now, and the Fila is 10" also. My MRTC and Smallest tsn were both moved to my pond. My only concern is they will not eat because of the huge rtc eating everything. Lumpy has been outgrown by bumpy, and Dumpy now lives with them and the rtc. So it's lumpy, bumpy, and dumpy all living together now.

Now for the dilema. I need to get the rtc out of the tank with all the mid sized cats. He has way outgrown them even though I got him way after them. He is approaching 25" if not already there, and is thick as all get out. He ate a half of a bag of shrimp and everyone else got the other half last night. I fear for my tsns while I am at work. My problem is the only other tank he can go in is the one with the bigboy. Looks as if the big boy couldn't eat him because his width, but I'm affraid he'll kill him like he did the planiceps. Here's what I am going to try, and let me know what you think. I remove the big boy to a small tub for 2 days, the mean while I put the rtc into the pond and let him establish a territory. Once the rtc is comfortable reintroduce the bigboy, and see what happens. My thing here is to stress the bigboy so that he doesn't want to kill the rtc at first sight, second thought is to rearrange his tank while he's gone so that he doesn't have a territory at first. Hopefully this will work, and it's my only option at this point as the wife has delayed my big tank building.

Enjoy the pics

[ZOO YORK 207]

WOOOOOOOOOOOW Cliff, amazing collection you got there! You need some Paroon Sharks now :). That Jau is looking sweet, how big is he? You're the only crazy catfish freak on MFK.. :uhoh: haha. Someone is selling a 26" Leucistic TSN. Only a low low price of $900. My Paroon might be shipped to you man, he's about 11" right now. I am trying to keep him on the small side :). I am in awe over you're RTC x TSN I remember that thing was 26" when I joined. Amazing man, you never cease to amaze me Cliff, you catfish freak. :D

[fishlover88]

necro- i like your plan. Works for cichlids and other territorial fish. I have done it in a couple of my tanks with territorial cats before. So i think that it will work. I only hope you dont stress out the big boy too much.

[necrocanis]

WOOOOOOOOOOOW Cliff, amazing collection you got there! You need some Paroon Sharks now :). That Jau is looking sweet, how big is he? You're the only crazy catfish freak on MFK.. :uhoh: haha. Someone is selling a 26" Leucistic TSN. Only a low low price of $900. My Paroon might be shipped to you man, he's about 11" right now. I am trying to keep him on the small side :). I am in awe over you're RTC x TSN I remember that thing was 26" when I joined. Amazing man, you never cease to amaze me Cliff, you catfish freak. :D

Jau is 12", I can only imagine if I still had the other one how big it would be.
It's crazy how big the big boy is. That TSN has been for sale for over two years now if it's the one I think it is. They listed it first when it was 10" at $1500. I'd gladely take the paroon for you. I want one, but it's hella hard to get one unless it's shipped in. I got the imperials, and ID sharks cause they are common and they accidentally got the imperials.

necro- i like your plan. Works for cichlids and other territorial fish. I have done it in a couple of my tanks with territorial cats before. So i think that it will work. I only hope you dont stress out the big boy too much.


I'm going to try it no matter what, just if he is aggressive I will move the rtc back to his tank, and go to plan "B". Plan "B" is to buy a 900 gal cattle trough. I don't like that plan because I will have to use the rest of the garage for building the big tank, and space will be very limited.

[ZOO YORK 207]

No man, Robkob has one for sale in the MFK buy and sell. I will probably ship you the paroon when he gets too big :).

[TLkmDN]

OMG ure RTC IS HUGGEEE NOW!!! almost didnt recognise...i think he/she shud be fine with big boy. RTCs r pretty hardy and can push back!

[BTD930]

cool

[necrocanis]

No man, Robkob has one for sale in the MFK buy and sell. I will probably ship you the paroon when he gets too big :).

I'll have to check it out. I try to stay away from there when I don't have any extra cash lol. Sounds great with the paroon.

OMG ure RTC IS HUGGEEE NOW!!! almost didnt recognise...i think he/she shud be fine with big boy. RTCs r pretty hardy and can push back!

I think so too, just don't want a repeat of what happened last year with my planiceps the big boy was 32" and the planiceps was 26". He ripped it's tail off and it died. The planiceps was a very agressive fish, but was no match for the big boy. I'll take pics and keep you guys updated. This should go down today and tomorrow.

[necrocanis]

So an update on the rtc situation. My rtc is a little battered after being put into the pond with the bigboy. I removed the big boy, and weighed him. He weighed in at 38 lbs. I put him in a 50 gal rubbermaid feed tub for 8 hours to stress him. I then moved the rtc to his pond. After the rtc was settled in I moved everything around in the pond, and after the 8 hours I put the big boy back in. They were fine for the first day and I thought maybe they liked each other, but yesterday in the afternoon I brought the rtc out in the open for inspection and his fins are all tore up, but on the plus side it seems he won the battle of wits for the hiding place rights, and now has an established territory in the tank. Also seems that the rtc is not as stressed as the bigboy. Bigboy wouldn't eat anything, and the rtc ate a few shrimp last night so I am optimistic about the situation. Not like it would hurt the bigboy to go without eating for a while anyway. RTC might get a chance to catch up a little.

[necrocanis]

oh and 24-25" laying beside 38" doesn't look so big lol.

[ITHURTZ]

those things are MASSIVE! you should put them in a tank and walk around the neighborhood and see people :nilly::nilly:

[necrocanis]

those things are MASSIVE! you should put them in a tank and walk around the neighborhood and see people :nilly::nilly:

Yeah I wish. lol. Tnx

On another note the RTC had to go back to his origional pond due to the fact that the big boy shreaded his fins and bit his head pretty bad. I would just have him tough it out, but some of the damage is to his gill covers and I don't need him getting damaged gills. Everything else can grow back, but damaged gills kill!!!. I don't think he'll eat again for a while now, but at least he's safe. Can't say the same for his tankmates once he's healed up. Going to have to find a quick solution really fast. Guess I am going to have to go with the wife's plan for now and get the 900 gal cattle trough until later when we can afford to go all out on the big tank build.

[amazonfishman]

Nice to see an update on all of your catfish Cliff. I haven't been around much lately but will throw in a little piece, my Piraiba is about the same size as yours maybe a tad smaller like 9" and growing slow but steady, I just got 2 ageneiosus sp cats from John this past week and they are doing awesome, Juruense is growing out with them, and my planiceps and hybrid rtc x tsn are growing out still in the pond with my piraiba and a smaller temensis. The planiceps is about 12" now and the hybrid is about 10" ~Trent

[amazonfishman]

a few pics of the various grow outs, some are pretty bad quality so bear with me... The pics of the planiceps/hybrid/piraiba are from early may so they are fairly old and all of those fish are several inches larger

[HPIZZLE]

neo............................................... .........................
thats the longest thing on the internet i have ever read:irked:
and you know what?
i would do it again. it was like a drama show and a happy kids show.........
and it just rocked.
oh and its like a law YOU HAVE TO KEEP US UPDATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

[necrocanis]

a few pics of the various grow outs, some are pretty bad quality so bear with me... The pics of the planiceps/hybrid/piraiba are from early may so they are fairly old and all of those fish are several inches larger

They look really nice. Hope that they grow into true monsters. Good to see an update from you. I see a lot of people that get into cats end up getting out after they see how fast and how large and aggressive some species can get, it's really nice to see someone sticking with it. Any aggression on that planiceps yet? Mine was mean as fire and would bite my hand when cleaning his tank.

neo............................................... .........................
thats the longest thing on the internet i have ever read:irked:
and you know what?
i would do it again. it was like a drama show and a happy kids show.........
and it just rocked.
oh and its like a law YOU HAVE TO KEEP US UPDATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

Thanks,

I enjoy sharing and hope it encourages others to share. This thread was started as a way for everyone to watch my fish grow with me. Kinda like my mini fish journal. I'm a catfish guy through and through so it's rare to see me stray into threads outside here. I'd say 90% of all my posts are in the catfish section.

As a quick update my sweet wife decided to actually feed my fish while I was at work this time and did good, but she failed to remove any uneaten food from the tanks and they were super stinky with rotten shrimp when I got home. Needless to say massive water changes on all my tanks first thing and meds for my fila as he's got an eye infection. His tank was by far the worst as there was very rotten shrimp smell and a dead pleco by the time I got home. I love my wife, but she needs banned from the tanks, lol.

The big tank build is still in question, but I redid my design so that I can go quicker and cheaper. Here's a google sketchup for you guys of it. let me know what you think. 14' x 8' x 3.5'

[necrocanis]

the model in the pic above is 6' tall for reference only

[Miguel]

awesome Tank Neocranis, awesome plan....go for it!!!!!!

[HPIZZLE]

hellz yaz!!!!!!!

[necrocanis]

Thanks,

Everything in the plan is not exact it's just kinda an idea that I threw together really quick. It's either this or a 900 gal cattle trough. This tank would cost me roughly 3x what the trough costs and would be 2500 gals roughly.

[Miguel]

Go bigger, if bigger is possible...we always regret, afterwards, not having done so....

[necrocanis]

I'm still young this is the first in line of a few large tanks. This one should work for many years.

[HPIZZLE]

good luck. keep us updated:)

[amazonfishman]

No aggression problems on either of the planiceps I've kept. Mine is growing like a weed though, bought at about 3-4" and now is 12" in a few months. I think I picked it up near the end of march so 4 months it's grown 8 inches which is pretty good I think.

I'm about to move again and the 480 gallon pond that is set up here is probably moving with me to my apartment balcony on the first story and getting some hardcore insulation but if not the fish I'm growing out are small enough to live in the 240 for the next year until I can start the "real" pond construction or have a mega tank built at a more permanent residence :)

[necrocanis]

Cool I started cutting the wood for my mega tank today! My fish should be swimming happy in the next couple of months. hehehe

[basslover34]

Cool I started cutting the wood for my mega tank today! My fish should be swimming happy in the next couple of months. hehehe
You know the rule... LOTS OF PICS... :D

[necrocanis]

yeah, I am debating on weather to do it in the diy section or here in the catfish section since it will be an almost strictly catfish tank.

[amazonfishman]

Put it in the DIY section probably and cross link it here under this thread. I'll have to get in touch with you sometime relatively soon Cliff to find out a little more about this pond your building, I've been out of the loop to long but saw the demo pics of it a couple pages back. It looks like it's going to be awesome! ~Trent

[chonhzilla]

nice collection :)

[necrocanis]

Put it in the DIY section probably and cross link it here under this thread. I'll have to get in touch with you sometime relatively soon Cliff to find out a little more about this pond your building, I've been out of the loop to long but saw the demo pics of it a couple pages back. It looks like it's going to be awesome! ~Trent

Yeah I hear you man. It's too bad you had to give up some of your cats, but at least they are living it up in a huge aquarium. Hopefully the pond will be awesome. Going to take me a few months though. Hopefully I can get it done before winter, that's the goal. I have a thread in the diy section that I had already started a while back for the origional design, but so much has changed since then. I could have went the easy route and bought a fiberglass tank at a supply store by here that is 2000 gals, but it's only 18" deep. That's just not deep enough. To me I am making mine almost bare minimum deep. It also costs $4000. For that kinda dough I can make mine awesome. lol

[necrocanis]

pretty excited I have all the wood for my tank now. Final costs for the tank minus heaters and pumps will be around $400. Not bad for a 3000 gal tank? Other things not included are lighting, filter, ect. Glass was free. Going to be fiberglassed and coated in sweetwater epoxy.

[l3raD]

wow they are Big Catfish whoaaaaa!!!!!
sssssoooo niceeee

=D

[basslover34]

pretty excited I have all the wood for my tank now. Final costs for the tank minus heaters and pumps will be around $400. Not bad for a 3000 gal tank? Other things not included are lighting, filter, ect. Glass was free. Going to be fiberglassed and coated in sweetwater epoxy.
where did you get free glass??? :D

[necrocanis]

it was a used table top that's 1/2" thick. Too bad I accidentally broke it trying to cut it today though. Guess that gives me a reason to try and find larger glass panes and make this a true monster tank. Just don't know how I will fit that into the budget.

[necrocanis]

Oh yeah here are some updated pics, and there's also one of the tank in progress what you see is a 9' x 3' section. It's pretty much the left side of the tank. It this section is now swung out at a 90 degree angle to the wall in the pic and has another 2' added on as of this morning. There's also a pic of my rtc eating a perch that died during a fishing trip. There's a pic of my friend's kid with a bullhead she caught(didn't keep it). There's also a pic of the squirrel that was stalking me along the fence on the way to the garage.

I put in some pics of my biggest tsn which is currently outgrowing my rtc. Feeding time is really exciting lately. All the fish swarm the surface until gorged with food. Kinda scared to put my hand in their tank as they will bite my hands and arms looking for food. After they are all fed I can hand pet them without worries. Even the oscars.

[basslover34]

Awsome ... I love the excitment in that kids eyes... it's really cool to see that from them :D

one of these days that fence rodent is going to end up as food for some of your fish LOL

Lovin the start of the Pond... can't wait for the regular updates :D

[dragonfish]

Looking great. How big's the jur?

[plecos_rule5000]

hey guys here are some pics of my catfish for you to enjoy. I thought you guys might like an update so here they are. I know ahead of time you guys might warn me that my rtc x tsn will probably eat my tsn x blochii sometime in the near future, but I am not that worried. The biggest fish that I could get him to eat so far was a white sucker at 10". I stuff him with shrimp every other night. He also has never shown any aggression to him. The other fish eat pellets from the top after the lights go out. It is pretty funny to watch. I wish I had a night vision cam so that I could share it here. I also have included pics of my other catfish from my smaller tanks. My Sorubim lima has grown from 2 1/2" to 7 1/2" in just 3 1/2 short months. I might get him a companion sometime soon. Anyway enjoy and I am open to your comments! is that a redtail tiger shov??? pm me with answer pls.

[basslover34]

None of the ones that Necro showed here are the Hybrid... His Hybrid is a Beast though, Perhaps he would grace us with an updated photo ;)

[necrocanis]

:D Here's the hybrid with the rtc before he tried to kill him. They make a cute couple huh? Too bad.....

None of the ones that Necro showed here are the Hybrid... His Hybrid is a Beast though, Perhaps he would grace us with an updated photo ;)

[basslover34]

Looks like Fat Albert would fit nicly in BigBoyz Mouth LOL

[X24]

How do you move those giants?!?!?!?!

[GatorGabe]

:D Here's the hybrid with the rtc before he tried to kill him. They make a cute couple huh? Too bad.....

The rtcXtsn hybrid is one of my absolute favorite fish of all time. XD i remember the first time i saw o0ne i was confused as hell...lol i looked at the rtc and then at the tsn and then the hybrid. after continuing this confused dance of back and forth i finally asked the owner what it was i even sugg the possibility of a hybrid he insisted that it was a rtc. obviosly i didnt buy one cuz id be posting my would be proud pics all over this site =pppp. Needless to say.. CONGRATZ man that is a work of art. man did something good with nature for once =P

[necrocanis]

Looks like Fat Albert would fit nicly in BigBoyz Mouth LOL

He tried, but fat albert's head is too wide. I measured today and fat albert has a 6" wide head, and the big boy has a 8" wide head. Kind of why I seperated them. My plan now is to finish the big tank, put the smaller catfish in there over the next winter and next summer add the big boy. Gonna powerfeed the hell out of them all and hope for the best. I could do the reverse, but that huge tank for one fish doesn't seem right lol.

How do you move those giants?!?!?!?!

Simply net them out with a koi sock net that is 50", and 11" dia hoop. It holds water and is supposed to be less stressfull, but it's kind of a pain to move a 30+ lb fish, and 3 gals of water at the same time while the fish is thrashing about. I have used a large pillow case in the past. He's really tame so I can just scoop him up no problem fun happens after he's out of the water. lol

The rtcXtsn hybrid is one of my absolute favorite fish of all time. XD i remember the first time i saw o0ne i was confused as hell...lol i looked at the rtc and then at the tsn and then the hybrid. after continuing this confused dance of back and forth i finally asked the owner what it was i even sugg the possibility of a hybrid he insisted that it was a rtc. obviosly i didnt buy one cuz id be posting my would be proud pics all over this site =pppp. Needless to say.. CONGRATZ man that is a work of art. man did something good with nature for once =P

Thanks I just hope I can grow him even larger in the tank I am building. Want to have him around for many years to come.

[kntrygrl4lyfe]

:D Here's the hybrid with the rtc before he tried to kill him. They make a cute couple huh? Too bad.....

Wow, I would of been scared to try that out. Both are looking great.

[Jackd]

Great fish and nice setup. I did the same sort of thing when I had my big RTC that got about that size. Probably fight in not enough filtration. That is a big issue and big challenge with the big cats. Sounds like you are doing the right things. Disappointed to hear the TSN X RTC is 38" . I had hoped they stayed smallers. Will be interesting to see what mine does over time.

Thanks for sharing,
Jack

[X24]

He tried, but fat albert's head is too wide. I measured today and fat albert has a 6" wide head, and the big boy has a 8" wide head. Kind of why I seperated them. My plan now is to finish the big tank, put the smaller catfish in there over the next winter and next summer add the big boy. Gonna powerfeed the hell out of them all and hope for the best. I could do the reverse, but that huge tank for one fish doesn't seem right lol.
.

The big boy is probably closing in on his max size and even if it gets bigger chances are the growth rate isn't going to be nearly as ludicrous as all your other monster cats.

I wouldn't be surprised if you could move the big boy in before winter is over.

[HPIZZLE]

looking good cliff:drool:

[gourami]

What are they in, in that pic? Like a pool or something:confused: .....

[necrocanis]

I think the big boy is maxing out, but that's not to say that he won't grow more. They grow their entire lives, it just slows way down. He still gets spurts every now and then, but I have noticed lately that he eats way smaller meals and still adds weight, but not much length. The RTC however is adding both, but he has even slowed down some. I'm gonna keep him well fed, and if I get this tank finished before winter I'll at least put all the smaller fish in it. After they are all large enough that I don't fear them being killed or eaten I will try out the big boy. Might be next summer.

Here is a link to the tank build for anyone who hasn't seen it. Thanks for everone's insights and thoughts.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159289

This tank is a big transition. I should have started it a long time ago, but I had other priorities.

[necrocanis]

What are they in, in that pic? Like a pool or something:confused: .....

350 gal cattle trough, and the others are in a 300 gal cattle trough. The new tank will come out to just under 4000 gals.

[HPIZZLE]

350 gal cattle trough, and the others are in a 300 gal cattle trough. The new tank will come out to just under 4000 gals.


wow:WHOA:

can i get an update on your MRTC?
please?:)

[catman]

I love your thread and cant wait to see the new tank and how happy the cats will be. Keep up the good work.

[necrocanis]

been really busy lately, but planning on updating my fish sometime in the next five days. My hybrid MRTC is right around the 20" mark. I'll try to get some updated pics of him next to the RTC for comparison.

[basslover34]

been really busy lately, but planning on updating my fish sometime in the next five days. My hybrid MRTC is right around the 20" mark. I'll try to get some updated pics of him next to the RTC for comparison.
You do realize that now that you said that... your MRTC will not go next to your RTC at all right? LOL

[necrocanis]

You do realize that now that you said that... your MRTC will not go next to your RTC at all right? LOL


Well they're always together so i don't see that he has a choice lol. My biggest TSN is huge!!!!! He's by far outgrowing lumpy and the RTC. I think he'll be a monster for sure!!!

[necrocanis]

Here's the pics!

[necrocanis]

one more

[basslover34]

Nice pics... I think that pond is looking alittle ... ummm cramped LOL

[basslover34]

Fat ALbert is starting to lose his Juvie Spots I see... Busters are still Huge...

[necrocanis]

there's the other side of this pond since it's 3' x 10', but they just all stay on one end. The only fish missing in the overall pic is the ACC. Doing water changes 2-3x per week now. I really need to finish the big tank. The big boy is in his pristine tank all by his lonesome. Too bad he tries to kill everything I put in with him. Funny how the rtc and mrtc get along with no problems except the mrtc steals a ton of food from the slower rtc, but when the rtc was in with the big boy all hell broke loose. Not much I can do unless I set up yet another pond which will take away from the big tank funds. I'm going to look around and see what I can find though. Might set up a small kiddie pool for now in the 400 gal range. The only reason I have that cattle trough set up is that the 1000 gal intex pool I had them in leaked to no end. I've never had one of the cattle troughs leak though. Might be some clearance pools I can get my hands on though. I have an extra pump or two. Would be easy to make a filter for the time being. Seems frustrating everthing takes away from the big tank build lol.

[necrocanis]

Fat ALbert is starting to lose his Juvie Spots I see... Busters are still Huge...

yeah, it's taking him a hella long time compared to others I've seen. His coloration is striking though. Since I've added about 25% hot dogs to his diet he's really got some color in him. Could just be him getting more mature though. I really wish I could keep him in the big boy's pond, but they don't play nice. The jau doesn't play nice either. I just moved him into the 75 gal as his next step, but he shredded the fins of my flash zebra, limas, and my stone cat. He'll go back into solitary today in his 55 gal pond. If I can keep fat albert growing at this pace for another month or two I might try him in with the big boy again. He's definitely the biggest waste producer in the tank. My 200 gal tank could be finished soon if I put my mind to it. That would help some. 350 gals seems really small when you have huge fish lol.

[basslover34]

there's the other side of this pond since it's 3' x 10', but they just all stay on one end. The only fish missing in the overall pic is the ACC. Doing water changes 2-3x per week now. I really need to finish the big tank. The big boy is in his pristine tank all by his lonesome. Too bad he tries to kill everything I put in with him. Funny how the rtc and mrtc get along with no problems except the mrtc steals a ton of food from the slower rtc, but when the rtc was in with the big boy all hell broke loose. Not much I can do unless I set up yet another pond which will take away from the big tank funds. I'm going to look around and see what I can find though. Might set up a small kiddie pool for now in the 400 gal range. The only reason I have that cattle trough set up is that the 1000 gal intex pool I had them in leaked to no end. I've never had one of the cattle troughs leak though. Might be some clearance pools I can get my hands on though. I have an extra pump or two. Would be easy to make a filter for the time being. Seems frustrating everthing takes away from the big tank build lol.
Just add filtration to this one and then worry about the Big Pond... Funds need to be dirrected towards that so you can free up the smaller ones that you already have not add more of them LOL (trust me I have the same problem)

[necrocanis]

lol, I guess I could make a 55 gal barrel filter like on the big boy's tank, or somehow connect both ponds to it. I'm going to get some lumber for the 4000 build and get cracking lol.

[necrocanis]

So the fish all switched tanks. I figure in the short term it will work better if the smaller catfish have more room to grow while the big tank is in the works. Hopefully by the time it's all done I can move several of them in with the big boy also. We'll see. Here's a few pics though.

[necrocanis]

Oh yeah, the small rtc in the pic is redtailnobs'. It's in one of my tanks til we can get his massive tank built.

[necrocanis]

Here's a few updated pics! There's also a pic of the tank I am building for these guys and redtailnobs for measurement! I'll try to link up a crappy vid of me petting the big boy. He was a little cranky. Also a couple other crappy vids of me feeding my biggest pond, and my jau.<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/QW4Vr6i5W1U&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/QW4Vr6i5W1U&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object><object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/GPiMIKqgs4U&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/GPiMIKqgs4U&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object><object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/4l77JmNrIcI&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/4l77JmNrIcI&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

[TLkmDN]

wowww that tank looks huge with u lying in it. and i know ure a big dude

[killerfish]

lookin good necro haven't visited this thread in a while as all ways the photos are great

[necrocanis]

wowww that tank looks huge with u lying in it. and i know ure a big dude

That's actually not me. That's redtailnobs my neighbor, but also a member on here. He's 6' tall.

lookin good necro haven't visited this thread in a while as all ways the photos are great


Thanks

[srikamaraja]

I think it's a testament to the adaptability and distribution of the White Sucker (Catostomus commersonni) that I use them during the summer to feed my Redfin Pickerel, all the way over here in CT.

[necrocanis]

Here's a few more pics I took last night. I think fat Albert has some nice color to him! Be back in 5 days!:headbang2

[Thedaniokeeper]

Are there any smaller types of that kind of fish?
some sources say they need 300gs, whereas others say 2000gs.

[necrocanis]

Here's a video of me petting the big boy! Enjoy!
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[sick_lid]

so when you move them to that massive tank, are you going to fish them out with hook and reel, or just jump on top of them?!

[HPIZZLE]

wow, looking good necro. so, the RTC is deffinatley starting to get his mature reds, looking good i might add. good luck with big boy and the big tank

[necrocanis]

so when you move them to that massive tank, are you going to fish them out with hook and reel, or just jump on top of them?!

I usually use a koi sock net, but the big boy will be too big for it to use it safely this next time. It's a 40" long net, but it's only 11" wide. made for show koi, but works great on medium sized catfish. Now though I am going to use a large pillow case! usually have to climb in the tank and wrestle him into a net.

[necrocanis]

wow, looking good necro. so, the RTC is deffinatley starting to get his mature reds, looking good i might add. good luck with big boy and the big tank

Thanks, hopefully everything will work out great!

[dragonfish]

I usually use a koi sock net, but the big boy will be too big for it to use it safely this next time. It's a 40" long net, but it's only 11" wide. made for show koi, but works great on medium sized catfish. Now though I am going to use a large pillow case! usually have to climb in the tank and wrestle him into a net.

There will definitely have to be video of that.

[necrocanis]

There will definitely have to be video of that.

Yeah, you can bet that now I know how to transfer vids from my phone to my computer there will be plenty from now on. I'm going to use a high quality digicam from my friend when I transfer the fish. Should be hillarious.:nilly:

[blurock]

Can't wait to see that vid! haha
Hey necro... how deep is that pond you got your big guys in right now?

[necrocanis]

Can't wait to see that vid! haha
Hey necro... how deep is that pond you got your big guys in right now?

in the vid it was drained for cleaning and only about 14", it's normally 30".:D

[HPIZZLE]

waitin on them pics of the lima:D

[HPIZZLE]

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[chandler]

I'm new to the monsterfishkeeper but those are some nice cats

[necrocanis]

Sorry guys here's the pics of my limas, jau, rtc, fila, and jur. They are all getting huge. Also a couple pics of my id sharks, and pangasius sharks. Just for some size updates.
Jau-11"
Jur-11"
Fila-10"
RTC-28"
MRTC-22"
ACC-26"
TSN-28"
TSN-19"
Bullhead-13"
Lima-16"
Lima-12"
Lima-7"
ID shark-8"
ID shark-7"
Pangasius Shark-6"
Pangasius shark-5"

[Redtailnobs]

Hey there's a pic of my RTC in there also. 2nd pic from the bottom is "SmallBlock" my RTC at 13-14". He's temporarily in necro's tank until we get mine finished. I think we have a quick solution to get him back to my place though. More to come!!!

[dragonfish]

Nice update on the cats but one ? How do you tell the ID sharks from the pangassius?

[Redtailnobs]

The pangasius have a shorter distance from the tip of their snout to the base of their dorsal fin. They also have almost no lump on top of their head in comparison to the ID sharks which have a large lump right above their head. Not really large just slight, but the pangs have just a smooth head. The pangs are also much thicker at a large size than IDs. Most pangasius species look very similar at a small size. Even hard to tell adults apart unless you know what you are looking at. This is what Necrocanis is telling me anyway. He's sitting right next to me lol. I just using his computer to check things out!

[necrocanis]

rtn is right! They stuck out like a sore thumb when I bought them. The owner had them labeled imperial sharks, and when I started doing some research I found pics of baby pagasius pangasius, and that's exactly what it was. So I now have two species of pangasius, and plan on getting some Paroons sometime next year. Then I'll have three, and hopefully more than that in the long run.

[wayne the pain]

Can you post more pix of the Pangasius sp you have, as im lost now :confused:

[necrocanis]

Here are some pics that should demonstrate what I am talking about. Let me know if there is still anymore confusion. The top one is Pangasius hypothalamus, and the bottom is Pangasius pangasius.

[basslover34]

Once you know the difference they stick out as to which is which... when you don't know... they look identical... Takes some time to learn the difference... and usually it's easier to tell in person

[HPIZZLE]

i see no real difference

[wayne the pain]

Look the same to me also. As P pangasius comes from India and Myanmar i very much doubt that these fish came in with P Hypophthalmus, which is from south east Asia. My feeling is it a P Hypophthalmus, and just showing sexual dimorphism, larger fish with slight lump being female. :)

[necrocanis]

They didn't come in an order of hypothalamus. They come in as pangasius sharks. They get the ID sharks seperate.

[wayne the pain]

:eek:

[wayne the pain]

Still see no difference, will have to agree to disagree :D My thoughts are still P hypophthalmus. :)
But if it grows a yellow tail i may believe you :D

[HPIZZLE]

wo wo wo, i see the difference. the ration of the distance between those to bottom fins are different, plus you can really see the difference in bodie shape on the two.

[basslover34]

Still see no difference, will have to agree to disagree :D My thoughts are still P hypophthalmus. :)
But if it grows a yellow tail i may believe you :D
Finally the Pain doesn't get it :D... I knew you had a weak spot :grinno:

[wayne the pain]

If you only knew :D ;)

[basslover34]

:ROFL:

[dragonfish]

Which is this?

[HPIZZLE]

^^thats the one thats not the other one;)

[dragonfish]

^^thats the one thats not the other one;)

Could you please try to be a little cryptic in your responses.;)

[wayne the pain]

^^thats the one thats not the other one;)

Thats the best answer ive ever seen :ROFL:

[HPIZZLE]

Thats the best answer ive ever seen :ROFL:


well thank you. took me 48mins and 3 red bulls to help me focus.;)

[HPIZZLE]

no but really, dragonfish yours is a Pangasius pangasius.

[necrocanis]

I'm not going to argue which is which anymore, that can be up to everyone else, but here's some awesome pics I've been getting of my cats the past week. There's some pics of my jau that are in my pg, but wanted to share them here also. Also some pics of the jur, and fila yawning. Think the fila might actually be a B. capapretum, but of course on other sites I got nothing but attitude for trying to help others and come up with the truth. lol. Oh well. Maybe one day the elusive filamentosum will be mine, but for now I'm convinced that this and the others shown earlier this year are capapretum. Thanks to another member on here for bringing the scientific discriptions to my attention, and after i just recently studied it a little closer, I found that mine actually is a capapretum. At this size the spots are two to four times the size of the eye in capapretum, and in filas of the same size the spots are less than half the size of the eye. Capapretum don't grow nearly as large, or as fast as filamentosum.:nilly: