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i juz bought a 4" adonis pleco for my comm tank with aro, dats,flagtail n senegal bichir....n slowly i started taking the likes of pleco n wanted to get more plecos...but i heard that the adonis is really agressive towards other plecos n grow really large...is there any compatible plecos to grow along with it??
when they are young, its easier to keep other plecos with them, but when they are older, they are aggressive, and its hard to keep them with others, esp. in a smaller tank. depends if you've got another tank to transfer over. you could try a L001, or L083, they will grow reasonably large and be able to hold their own for a bit. or maybe a GN. depends how long your thinking of keeping the plecs together. post a pic of the adonis!!!
WyldFya
06-09-2006, 3:07 PM
You can keep most plecos with adonis. They will be aggressive, but if there is a large plec in the tank there won't be any problems. In time the fighting stops, and all will be fine. They are just establishing heirarchy. Mine has a little clown a big L264 sultan and a big chocolate, he doesn't fight with any of them. Offer lots of good hiding locations, and lots of food and there won't be any problems.
not when they get to 2 foot :naughty:
a L025 or L024 might look good in there. or an L011 may look really nice in there.
oriolesdt09
06-09-2006, 3:29 PM
anybody have pics of one?
L11, L001, L24, L25 and an albino L083
WyldFya
06-09-2006, 4:28 PM
not when they get to 2 foot :naughty:
a L025 or L024 might look good in there. or an L011 may look really nice in there.
If kept with the other plecs from a small size there isn't any problem. its when new smaller plecs are introduced that fighting happens.
WyldFya
06-09-2006, 4:29 PM
anybody have pics of one?
This is mine, he is still a baby.
and heres a bigger one :naughty:
Thomascl
06-09-2006, 9:02 PM
nice one davo
even when they are are 2 ft its ok as long as they are together since young?
if the tank is big enough, you'll probably be alright as long as you choose bigger plecos that can handle there own and wont get bullied out of food. just watch them
if the tank is big enough, you'll probably be alright as long as you choose bigger plecos that can handle there own and wont get bullied out of food. just watch them
mine is in a 5 ft tank with 1 long fin senegal bichir, 1 black aro, 2 tiger dats, 1 flagtail...any recommendation
how wide is it? you can keep a whole lot of plecos together in that size tank. but i personally wouldn't have 2 2ft plecos in that size tank. but temp. definately put another few in. how big is that adonis now?
how wide is it? you can keep a whole lot of plecos together in that size tank. but i personally wouldn't have 2 2ft plecos in that size tank. but temp. definately put another few in. how big is that adonis now?
its 2 ft wide....the adonis is only 4" right now....not yet a monster hahahah
at 4" you'll be able to have quite a few more plecos in that size tank for probably a good few years
at 4" you'll be able to have quite a few more plecos in that size tank for probably a good few years
what happen after that??he goes on a rampage??? kill the rest of the plecos?
plecos become more and more territorial as they get older (and therefore bigger). this is especially true with males. basically if there are lots and lots of hiding places, plants/caves etc. then plecos may have a couple of territorial disputes (males, usually fight to have dibs on best cave, while females are more nomadic). some males will kill other males of the same species (eg GN's and bristlenoses). if there are lots of hiding places then everything will be fine. when they get bigger, there is going to be less room, less places to hide and less preferable spawning sights, so they may start fighting.
WyldFya
06-11-2006, 3:23 PM
If the hiding spots are adequate and plentiful, and the plecos have lived together for quite a while there won't be any problems generally. You also have to rely on the pleco itself. Sometimes you will just get a crazy one. I had a BN go crazy on a chocolate twice his size, and killed him. Also he killed a chocolate cat, striped raphael cat, banjo cat, pictus cat, talking cat, bumble bee cat and a couple small common plecs.
any recomendation for other pleco tankmates for adonis?
look at the first half of the thread, there is multiple amount of plecos there.
WyldFya
06-11-2006, 4:01 PM
any recomendation for other pleco tankmates for adonis?
Just about any pleco will work with and adonis, assuming yours isn't insane. Just do what you would for any pleco tank with numerous males.
WyldFya
06-12-2006, 9:43 PM
Not sure. Haven't gotten a good view of papila. By odontal growth it does appear to be female though.
she'll look good when bigger. i found females tend to keep the colour better than males in some cases.
WyldFya
06-12-2006, 9:47 PM
Yeah, I'm hoping, but then Adonis in general tend to lose there spots quite a bit when they get big regardless of sex. On a good note mine is covered in spots for its size.
i think they look great when they are jet black though. and monster of course :naughty:
WyldFya
06-12-2006, 9:57 PM
Thats the a. hystrix or p. hystrix that looks like that. The A. adonis will still have some dots, not many but some.
they usually only keep them on the fins
WyldFya
06-12-2006, 10:05 PM
The large adonis I have seen always have the spots on the head still.
interesting. the ones i see lose the head spots first, then the body, usually ending up with spots on the fins and sometimes not even the dorsal
WyldFya
06-12-2006, 10:07 PM
Weird. Only ones I've seen that lack all spots are the p. hystrix and a. hystrix.
these were def adonis. one of them i raised (or half raised)
WyldFya
06-12-2006, 10:12 PM
Then again I have a young L200 with next to no spots. Each fish is going to be different.
trying to find some adult pics of the adonis on the net, with not much luck at the moment
big E
06-12-2006, 10:15 PM
Wow! you guys really have great plecos!!!!! Plecos suck!!! :ROFL: (plecos rule);) :D :thumbsup: :ROFL:
WyldFya
06-12-2006, 10:16 PM
trying to find some adult pics of the adonis on the net, with not much luck at the moment
I should have a pic of an adult Adonis.
this is the only one i have
WyldFya
06-12-2006, 10:21 PM
I found that one as a. Hystrix. those are bubbles on the picture.
yea they are. look closely at the fins, and you can see the spots
WyldFya
06-12-2006, 10:25 PM
Here is an a. adonis that is supposed to be over 20".
WyldFya
06-12-2006, 10:26 PM
HERE'S A LITTLE BABY A. ADONIS!
WyldFya
06-12-2006, 10:26 PM
I love the Lyre tail on the end of that baby!
cool baby
that first pic is from http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.aquascape.co.uk/Acanthicus_adonis.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.aquascape.co.uk/picture.html&h=140&w=350&sz=12&tbnid=ERASHvC0emuK0M:&tbnh=46&tbnw=116&hl=en&start=83&prev=/images%3Fq%3DAcanthicus%2Badonis%26start%3D80%26sv num%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN
but cant find where it says 20", it seems much less. heres a couple more i found, one i wasnt sure about id wise, and one showing it losing the spots from the head.
"Hard to mistake with any other loricariid other than perhaps Acanthicus hystrix when adult. Quite slender in relation to body length, even delicate in appearance when very small, although as they grow they become much more robust. Small specimens have spots over the whole body, which become bands on the caudal filaments. These spots become relatively smaller and fewer in number with growth, they are reduced to remaining on the caudal peduncle and sometimes on the leading rays of the pectoral fins. Larger adults lack white spots. When adult the pectoral fins can be in excess of 15 cm in length, giving a remarkable front profile. Acanthicus adonis is distinguished from all other congeners in having a juvenile coloration of white spots, a more pointed (vs. rounded) snout, and reduced odontodal growth on the snout margin and the preoperculars. The original description also alludes to additional color differences (pitch black for A. adonis and dark brown for all other Acanthicus)."
quote from planetcatfish. red bit is the bit under dicussion, and the orange bit highlighted next to it is what i love in the adults, as it adds more to how they move
WyldFya
06-12-2006, 11:28 PM
Very odd. The adonis I have seen have gone both ways, now that I think about it. However the first one I saw was nearly 25", and had spots, no where near as many but still had quite a few, but they were considerably smaller.
they will definately outgrow there spots, as in, they wont produce more, nor will the spots grow in size. that is if they dont lose them at all
WyldFya
06-12-2006, 11:33 PM
This is true, but look at that baby I posted earlier. By the time that one is 6" it will have next to no dots.
some of them have reasonably big spots and few when young, others have more smaller ones. personally i like your one wyldfya, because it is imbetween the two
WyldFya
06-12-2006, 11:36 PM
Yeah, it is a great fish. Also, its much friendlier than the L264 who will go out of his way to tail swipe me, and strike at me with his odontodes.
i have to say i have never had an agressive pleco (towards me). but i have been spiked a couple of times on my own fault. (the price of deciding not using nets to transfer plecs
WyldFya
06-13-2006, 1:52 AM
our last big common cut me on numerous occassions. My L264 was very tame and gentle, but my wifes will try to gouge me. He has latched on and sucked very hard to the palm of my hand, to the point that it hurts.
dr10d, is your adonis male or female?
dr01d
06-13-2006, 11:46 AM
sorry guys....it just died today...most probally of food poisoning....i checked the PH it was fine at 7...... :(
WyldFya
06-13-2006, 12:14 PM
That sucks. What were the other water params?
wow that does suck. how big was it? food poisoning? of what?
dr01d
06-14-2006, 12:04 PM
its around 4"....maybe overdose of melafix.....but i thought its safe....
could have become concentrated in the food, but i dont know how bad that would be for plecs. sorry for you loss though. did it look healthy otherwise, and have plenty of places to hide?
WyldFya
06-14-2006, 2:18 PM
Melafix is safe in the right amount. If you use it in a tank with plecs, I recommend half strength. That is what took out my first L190 royal.
the only med ive ever used for plecs is whitespot treatment and had no casualties what so ever. and i completely overdosed the whole tank
it looked helthy until the day it died...i notice something strange on the day it died...it was out in the middle of tank...without hiding...thats strange.....guess i found out the answer later that night.....
WyldFya
06-15-2006, 11:51 AM
No sunken stomach, stringy or miss colored poo? was there red where the fins connected to the body?
it was already eating after 2 days....not sure abt red marks...but its whole body turned white....when it died
that would just have been it dead and not to do with cause.
i think i notice something pinkish but not red....
was this when its dead or alive. its hard to see that kind of thing when it is dead, just because depending on how long its been dead, everything can change
dr01d
06-16-2006, 11:47 AM
when its dead....didnt notice anything strange abt it when its alive...except the strange behavior of not hiding on the last day....
Red Devil
08-01-2006, 7:29 PM
I am so sorry to hear about your Adonis.. it was a beauty..and i enjoyed all the info you both wrote on the Adonis.. i have one for over a year now and i did not know all the little things that you mentioned.. thanks