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fishyboi
06-10-2006, 9:14 PM
I saw this bumble grouper at my a lfs near a PC Bang. I jsut went inside and saw the bumble bee grouper. It was 7-8 inches and they were asking $150, but It was saltwater, the lady said they never live in freshwater and should stay in salt and I told that she was crazy. I was wondering can u change back to freshwater??
they are saltwater i think, and ones that are living in freshwater, have been acclimatised
Justin_James
06-10-2006, 10:54 PM
I've been in the marine hobby for a number of years and never heard of someone changing a grouper to fresh or even brackish water. They are a marine fish. The only fish I know of that can go from salt to fresh and back again is a molly. Marine fish should stay marine unless you want to drasticly shorten their lifespan or most likley kill them.
fishyboi
06-10-2006, 11:13 PM
I know bumble bee groupers change to salt, but isnt that when they are older and when young they stay in fresh. Just wanted to know if it was possible to change them back
rkc772
06-10-2006, 11:25 PM
from what i heard these types of grouper can be from saltwater to freshwater.. vise versa.. should be able to. i don't see any reason why. long term effect... i really don't know since i don't have one and they cost a fortune to get one. i'll stick with dats for now.:)
i think they are a saltwater fish, along with as far as i know all groupers. however, there are bumblebees that have been acclimated to fresh. there are a few people on here that have them in fw. use the search function ;)
Justin_James
06-11-2006, 12:50 AM
They must not be a true grouper. ??? Groupers are born and raised in the ocean. It's like calling a freshwater redtail shark a real shark, am I right??? or am I wrong???
Epinephelus polystigma is the only true fw grouper and is found in brackish too i think.
they are converted bumblebees, heres a video by alfon76 http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28897&highlight=bumblebee+grouper
and another byR1_Ridah http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23593&highlight=bumblebee+grouper
some pics of ones fugupuff the com. seller was selling http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5718&highlight=bumblebee+grouper
neos himselfs BG http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1045&highlight=bumblebee+grouper
and there are plenty of others
They must not be a true grouper. ??? Groupers are born and raised in the ocean. It's like calling a freshwater redtail shark a real shark, am I right??? or am I wrong???
Unfortunately you are wrong,
the groupers are part of the family Serranidae, almost all are salt water but a few are brackish, some spend part of their time in freshwater, and one is a freshwater to brackish water fish and (as far as I know) has never been found in full seawater. It is the white-dotted grouper (Epinephalus polystigma), it is an attractive fish that I have never seen sold, pity, becuase it would be perfect, getting to a max of just under 16" and breeding in brackish and freshwater as small as 8" long. here is a picture by Randall.
The Bumblebee grouper is a huge and rather unattractive fish as an adult and has been recorded at around 10' long and 800 lbs. Keeping them in freshwater lowers there resistance to disease and I have found no records of them reaching any where near maturity in FW, they seem to requie more and more salt as they age and by the time they are 4-5' long (in the wild) they are solitary hunters near reef systems. IMO they are not a good choice for private fish keepers.
yea thats the one. i would love that fish. where do they inhabit guppy?
Indonesia, the Philippines, Papua New Guinea, and the Solomon and New Ireland Islands.
rkc772
06-11-2006, 2:51 AM
Unfortunately you are wrong,
the groupers are part of the family Serranidae, almost all are salt water but a few are brackish, some spend part of their time in freshwater, and one is a freshwater to brackish water fish and (as far as I know) has never been found in full seawater. It is the white-dotted grouper (Epinephalus polystigma), it is an attractive fish that I have never seen sold, pity, becuase it would be perfect, getting to a max of just under 16" and breeding in brackish and freshwater as small as 8" long. here is a picture by Randall.
The Bumblebee grouper is a huge and rather unattractive fish as an adult and has been recorded at around 10' long and 800 lbs. Keeping them in freshwater lowers there resistance to disease and I have found no records of them reaching any where near maturity in FW, they seem to requie more and more salt as they age and by the time they are 4-5' long (in the wild) they are solitary hunters near reef systems. IMO they are not a good choice for private fish keepers.
i agree with you!:D bumble bee grouper or queensland grouper are too big and they do loose the yellow color once they grow big (as in big). but an 18 inch one will still have the color. i just wish they won't grow too big but they do. i would buy them because they are beautiful for the time being.:)
Indonesia, the Philippines, Papua New Guinea, and the Solomon and New Ireland Islands.
damn it, to far for me to go fishing for one! ahwell. maybe if enough interest is shown, maybe someone will get one in
I know they are just fish, and you can always eat it, but keeping them when they are small, knowing that they will die young, strikes me a bit like drowning kittens when they are no longer cute.
On the other hand I like keeping american eels knowing that they will never mature, let alone breed in a FW tank. Oh well, I guess I am not very consistent, heheh.
rkc772
06-11-2006, 3:02 AM
is their any way we can change it not to grow bigger than 10 inches to keep it nice and fun. "guppy" do you mean it will have a shorter lifespan if changed to fresh water? :screwy: i like colorful fishes and some predatorial fishes are just not too colorful for me. not to derail this but yellow on fish is really nice or super red arowana (nah.. illegal.. i'll keep my distance).:naughty:
I know they are just fish, and you can always eat it, but keeping them when they are small, knowing that they will die young, strikes me a bit like drowning kittens when they are no longer cute.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: good one
ive got to say, as beautiful as they look when young, i do disagree with converted fish, and it always seem that people want to convert saltwater to fw, as its more convinient. the worst is morays. i feel sorry for them
rhinod56
06-11-2006, 4:38 AM
can't answer the salt portion, but I must say after looking around, that seems like a really good price..
is their any way we can change it not to grow bigger than 10 inches to keep it nice and fun. "guppy" do you mean it will have a shorter lifespan if changed to fresh water? :screwy: i like colorful fishes and some predatorial fishes are just not too colorful for me. not to derail this but yellow on fish is really nice or super red arowana (nah.. illegal.. i'll keep my distance).:naughty:
I mean that I have never heard of one in a private tank that survive more than a couple years or got bigger than 2'. I also mean that I think that out of the few I have heard of people aquiring over the last year they are also now dead. There maybe exceptions but not many.
rkc772
06-11-2006, 4:17 PM
ok... at least now we know. it's really nice to have them. but spending $$$ for one fish and not being able to survive in it's full term. i think that doesn't sound right to have one. just leave them in the wild.:)
so.....
anyone in Indonesia, the Philippines, Papua New Guinea, and the Solomon and New Ireland Islands want to catch me the white dotted grouper?
rkc772
06-11-2006, 5:07 PM
so.....
anyone in Indonesia, the Philippines, Papua New Guinea, and the Solomon and New Ireland Islands want to catch me the white dotted grouper?
i can get you one if the stock comes in. :) no BS. PM me is you're really interested. this would be a saltwater fish.:)
i thought they were mainly freshwater occasionally found in brackish?!? also im in the UK, so guess it would be hard
If they are salt water they are probably one of the Following;
E. coeruleopunctatus 30" whitespotted grouper
E. summana 21" summan grouper
or
E. ongus 16" white-streaked grouper
all the pics are by Randall
These three are similar in looks, salt water, and are reported as being imported for the pet trade.
nope. theyre not the ones for me :(
CHUM BUCKET
06-11-2006, 9:31 PM
They start off nice, with the yellow and black. They start to loose that color at about 18"