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Zander_The_RBP
01-05-2010, 7:11 PM
hi guys im sort of nervous of posting here as i know im going to get flamed but here we go:

ive been keeping several convicts in with my piranhas originaly out of the hope that they would breed and i could use them as feeders well recently my only pair out of the 4 got busy and theres probably 50 or so little babies swimming around next to mummy and daddy. Heres the problem today the convicts were obviously doing the usual thing and keeping the piranhas at the other end of the tank and away from their babies (its rather funny to see a 3 inch fish chase off six 5 inch ones lol) apparently though daddy got a little too aggressive with one of the piranhas and tried to "lip lock"(you know how cichlids usualy fight) with one of them and well leave it at piranhas have some nasty teeth the poor fella lost his lower lip (just the lip though the mouth seems to be intact it seems as he can still eat normaly)and has some damage to his upper lip


my question is do you think the " lip" will ever grow back ?
if you guys need pics ill see if i can get some


and believe me ive learned my lesson no more cons with my piranhas as soon as the babies get a little bigger the cons are going back into my 29 as i dont like to see them suffer like this :(


EDIT: woops just noticed i put this in the media lounge if a mod could move it please it would be much appreciated

devder1
01-05-2010, 7:13 PM
hi guys im sort of nervous of posting here as i know im going to get flamed but here we go:

ive been keeping several convicts in with my piranhas originaly out of the hope that they would breed and i could use them as feeders well recently my only pair out of the 4 got busy and theres probably 50 or so little babies swimming around next to mummy and daddy heres the problem today the convicts were obviously doing the usual thing and keeping the piranhas at the other end of the tank and away from their babies (its rather funny to see a 3 inch fish chase off six 5 inch ones lol) apparently though daddy got a little too aggressive with one of the piranhas and tryed to "lip lock"(you know how cichlids usualy fight) with one of them and well leave it at piranhas have some nasty teeth the poor fella lost his lower lip (just the lip though it seems as he can still eat normaly)and has some damge to his upper lip


my question is do you think the " lip" will ever grow back ?
if you guys need pics ill see if i can get some


and belive me ive learned my lesson no more cons with my piranhas as soon as the babies get a little bigger the cons are going back into my 29 as i dont like to see them suffer like this :(
lol if it is suffering take it out and cut it into strips and then put it back in and see if it tries to fight ur phiranha

Pharaoh
01-05-2010, 7:15 PM
I doubt it will grow back!

Zander_The_RBP
01-05-2010, 7:25 PM
lol if it is suffering take it out and cut it into strips and then put it back in and see if it tries to fight ur phiranha
Sorry what was that ? a cruel attempt at a joke thanks your really helping me out here

you have 2k posts id figure by now youd be a little nicer by now geuss not or maybe all cichlid owners are like this and you'd see why i was hesitant to post here in the first place :irked:


suffering would be an exageration it would probably be nothing more than a mere inconvienence to him as hes eating normaly (tossed in a few flakes to see if he could)


I doubt it will grow back!

thanks for the quick and polite reply that sucks if it wont grow back :(


ill keep and eye on it to make sure it dosen't get any fungal/bacterial secondary infections

Bderick67
01-05-2010, 7:49 PM
lol if it is suffering take it out and cut it into strips and then put it back in and see if it tries to fight ur phiranha

:ROFL: Good sound advice.

Sarah88
01-05-2010, 7:49 PM
i would go ahead and separate them after all they are convicts they can always make more babies lol, and i would also put salt in the 29 with them (1tsp per gallon) to help his lip heal and help prevent infection, also if its just the very outer lip portion then it might grow back but if its going into the jaw part then i doubt it will but as long as he is still eating fine and everything he should be fine GOOD LUCK

devder1
01-05-2010, 7:54 PM
Sorry what was that ? a cruel attempt at a joke thanks your really helping me out here

you have 2k posts id figure by now youd be a little nicer by now geuss not or maybe all cichlid owners are like this and you'd see why i was hesitant to post here in the first place :irked:


suffering would be an exageration it would probably be nothing more than a mere inconvienence to him as hes eating normaly (tossed in a few flakes to see if he could)


haha im being dead serious! i know many phiranha keepers use convicts as feeders for their p's, and if it is too aggressive for your P to eat, you can put it out of its misery in a humane way while still getting a good feeder out of it ;)

peathenster
01-05-2010, 8:35 PM
I guess it depends on how much he lost. If it's the entire lower lip, it probably won't grow back.

Can he still eat?

the animal guy
01-05-2010, 8:39 PM
yes the lips do grow back.

I've seen fishes lips ripped off hanging to all the way off with no lips. They all grew back. For fishes older than half their life spans might take longer or might not. idk.. The bigger and older they are the longer they take to heal.

Sorry to hear about that.. Take good care of the poor thing please.. He's hurting bad.

peathenster
01-05-2010, 8:43 PM
You'll probably get better feedback (or guesses) if you can post some pictures...

the animal guy
01-05-2010, 8:46 PM
You'll probably get better feedback (or guesses) if you can post some pictures...
yeah man if you have a camera, you need to post pix.. That's the rule!

BastardFish
01-05-2010, 9:05 PM
If it is only a little damage to the actual lip than yes it will most likely grow back. However if it is like most P Bits I have seen on cichlids and like what I personally had happen years back with a large male Jag. Which is the lip area & a part of the lower jaw that gets ripped off along with it. Than the answer is no that does not and will not grow back! If the fish is somehow able to still eat than it will live and it is possible. My jag lived for 5 years after the incodent and grow to over 13.5'' before he meet an untimely end via the Cat!:grinno: A picture would be worth a thousand words and best guesses though to tell you for sure. Take one and post it up.

cchhcc
01-05-2010, 9:45 PM
"Healing" and "growing back" are two different things.

Regardless, the fish shouldn't be allowed to suffer. If it were me and the damage was as bad as you describe it, I'd euth the fish.

Zander_The_RBP
01-06-2010, 3:37 PM
no way im euthanizing him yet. if it dosent grow back i definatly will but im going to give him a chance to see if it will grow back first. hes eating albeit once or twice it does "fall out the bottom" but for the most part he eats and succesfully swallows saw him pick through the gravel today like most of the cons do so he cant be too bothered by it. ill give it a few weeks and see how its progressing and if it isnt getting better ill consider euthanizing




ill see if my dad will let me use his camera and take some pics worst comes to worst ill take him out into a net and get a close up video of the damage with my Ipod which actualy doesn't have half bad picture quality and post it up on youtube and put a link in this thread

jmatthewvan
01-06-2010, 3:51 PM
My male Buttikoferi got his lower lip fully bitten off twice during spawning with my female Butti.Each time it grew back 100% in about 2 months or so.

Zander_The_RBP
01-06-2010, 4:01 PM
My male Buttikoferi got his lower lip fully bitten off twice during spawning with my female Butti.Each time it grew back 100% in about 2 months or so.
good to hear lets hope cons regenerate in the same way

calicichlid
01-06-2010, 9:15 PM
Yes it will grow back. If aggression continues i think you should seperate. treat with Melafix and depending how bad 2months you should see signs of wound healing.

LobstersGoPeenchPeench
01-07-2010, 1:38 AM
i bet he learned his lesson
"it falls out the bottom" hah. ridiculous
but i bet it grows back. but remember ur piranha has tasted him. now the frenzy will be on for the parents. hope u have some caves that only the cons can get in

NOLAGT
01-07-2010, 11:14 PM
I thought lips generally wouldn't grow back...but I was wrong...now it may depend on the size/age of the fish and if its still growing...or it may not I have no idea. But on one of my africans I had the lfs people move it out the original tank so it wouldnt get sold before I went and got it a couple days later. In that time someone traded in a fish and put it in the same tank and it beat the snot out of my fish but I still got it. The lip was gone...seeing teeth and all...now 6 months later u cant even tell.

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