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reefman
07-17-2005, 8:06 PM
I getting a rtc x tsn tomarrow I read the other tread on them but not that much info ive had both fish but its the first time combined can i get some info like growth rate do they grow like a weed like rtc or slower like tsn what do the adults look like there is one I already no its gonna be a eating machine because both fish are gluttons and when you combine two gluttons together you got a garbage disposal :hitting:
luvredtails
07-17-2005, 8:36 PM
spotted shovels are there name i got one he is growing like a weed
Nate_N_Nicole
07-18-2005, 12:22 AM
One of my good friends has a redtail*tiger shovel nose mix there sweet
WckedMidas
07-18-2005, 5:29 AM
mine didnt grow that fast . mine was aprox 9 inchs give or take in 9 months. ive herd they grow faster i herd slower. depends on actual fish and they will eat anyfish that fits there mouth
bluedempsey
07-18-2005, 5:21 PM
i believe... it depends on diet and changing water..... in 2 months
my rtc went from 3.5 inch to 13inchs :22_yikes:
this is no bull**** i swear!!!!
bluedempsey
07-18-2005, 5:25 PM
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^ but then again mine has a varied diet.... three blue dempseys, 2 full grown
firemouths, a 6 inch festae, 5inch dovii, and a normal diet of raw shrimp
pellets.... other than that he is growing pretty :swear: fast
RhomBeusBoi
08-01-2005, 9:47 PM
What size tank.
DRaGoNoVA
08-02-2005, 5:09 AM
think they grow faster than an average rtc or shovelnose
snogard
08-02-2005, 12:08 PM
i have all three (RTC, TSN, TSNxRTC). its all on their diet, like wickedmidas said, will eventually depend on the individual. My RTC and TSN is now a lot bigger than the hybrid. although they all started the same size, same tank. the hybrid is also the aggressor between the three.
Peanut_Power
08-03-2005, 3:39 AM
I have some sort of RTC hybrid...some sort of pim...i'm thinkin its either a sailfin or some other larger pim....he is growing very fast though!! Faster than most RTC and hybrids. in a little over a month he has grown a little over 4"!! GEEZ!! I don't have horribly good pictures...but i will get some. I even tried slowing him down by feeding every other day just enough to round his belly. He was in a 125 also..but i moved him to the 300gal about 3 days ago. Hes about 7" now. Gonna start to power feed him now! Should take off! :D
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/Peanut_Power/Catfish/rtchybrid.jpg
WckedMidas
08-03-2005, 4:00 AM
man makeing me cry i miss my catfish realy bad. Im either picking a jurense up or a lungfish to make my blues go away this week its final.
Peanut_Power
08-03-2005, 12:05 PM
go with the Jur...unless you get a Aussie lung or a SAL...lol...:D
WckedMidas
08-03-2005, 12:07 PM
i duno what they got localy and neither do they all they no its a lung fish they got two of them aprox 14 inch in size. 50 bucks a pop
evilfish
08-03-2005, 12:19 PM
rtcxtsn is not a good fishy to go for. scientists stripped down the genes of both fish and merged them. basically it is a clone. do not buy one!!! the longest recorded they have lived is 6months.
Peanut_Power
08-03-2005, 12:27 PM
Well I guess I'm doing good then cuz I've had mine for almost 3 now...:P....but mines not a RTCxTSN hybrid...its RTCxsomething else....and you really believe that they stripped down the genes and cloned it? Seems like too much work and effort...plus the price would be higher. Seems like most of the pims would interbreed if no other same species was available...
jsodwi
08-04-2005, 6:41 PM
wHERE CAN i FIND ONE OF THESE cATS and How much I'm in New Jersey
reefman
08-04-2005, 7:54 PM
ask your lfs they usually can get them
CentralMayhem
08-06-2005, 2:19 PM
they will grow fast. i had a rtc grow from 2" to 14" in about 8 months. they will grow slower if fed less often, but it always depends on the individual. not every fish from a spawn reaches the same size or grows at the same rate. if all fish are power fed, you will still have some that grow faster than others even if they are fed the same amount of food and kept in ideal conditions. genetics plays a big part. but when your dealing withthese types of cats, you can count on some serious growth no matter what as long as you provide for their needs.
AmazonPredator
08-11-2005, 10:14 AM
Peanut Power,
Your cat looks like a RTC x P. perruno aka L. marmoratus hybrid. Also, to avoid confusion, there is a genuine species of catfish called a spotted shovelnose, Psuedoplatystoma coruscans. That hybrid thing should not be called a spotted shovelnose...maybe a shovelnose red tail. I sincerely doubt that any of these cats have been cloned. :headshake
wickedworm76
08-17-2005, 5:02 PM
i agree. :)
snogard
08-19-2005, 4:15 PM
yep here's my RTCxTSN. They're lab produce for food consumption, and I'm sure will have the same life span as the parents. I've had mine for longer than 6months. ;)
snogard
08-22-2005, 1:09 PM
one thing im interested of knowing is the price range they go for?
reefman
08-22-2005, 7:01 PM
i think there about 40 is my guess mine was only 12 i get every thing wholesale :headbang2
snogard
08-23-2005, 11:16 AM
wow that was a great bargain. what size was your pick up?
redtailfool
08-23-2005, 11:29 AM
I have some sort of RTC hybrid...some sort of pim...i'm thinkin its either a sailfin or some other larger pim....he is growing very fast though!! Faster than most RTC and hybrids. in a little over a month he has grown a little over 4"!! GEEZ!! I don't have horribly good pictures...but i will get some. I even tried slowing him down by feeding every other day just enough to round his belly. He was in a 125 also..but i moved him to the 300gal about 3 days ago. Hes about 7" now. Gonna start to power feed him now! Should take off! :D
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/Peanut_Power/Catfish/rtchybrid.jpg
Pretty soon that thing wont be enough to measure that cat ! Theyre nice and sweet!
evilfish
08-31-2005, 9:37 AM
that is how they're bred!! it's not too much work, it was a funded experiment that somehow found its way into the aquarium trade!!!if anyone has 1 over 15inches, then pm a pic of it to me next to a tape measure.
Serygo
09-03-2005, 3:03 AM
never had one,,, kinda want one cuz their so ugly they turn cute....
Redtail_Watcher
08-11-2006, 12:32 AM
redtail hybrids size? it get about at least a foot a year in right conditons (in 6 months for 2-3 inches my redtail was already a foot in 6months) i use to had a RTC for 3 years it was 32inches i have one now that for 25inches almost 2years already.
As for RTC hybrids i have 2 of them for 1week it was 2-3 inches now it is 3-4inches, they dubble their size that quick i feed them gold fish close to their own size that is why they grow so fast.:D
baracuda
08-11-2006, 3:07 AM
these fish grow fast and they eat a ton. hope you have the budget to feed these suckers cuz they will eat you out of house and home bro. Mine grew to about 17 inches in one year and ate all the other smaller fish so dont mix them with slow growers because sooner or later they will end up lunch.
stotty
08-11-2006, 4:07 AM
This will tell you all
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32232&highlight=NECROCANIS
I have one had him for about 1 year growth on them is monster and well I have had to build a pond for my one.
You can PM NECROCANIS he did the thread above and big cats are his thing.
this is my one
necrocanis
09-02-2006, 8:52 PM
I'll try to get a pic of mine next to a measuring tape for everyone to see, he is currently around 28 1/2 ->29 inches and still growing. eating about 1-2 lbs. of shrimp per week, plus ocassional white suckers, and cichlid pellets. Might be a day or two though got a lot on my plate right now. Too many hobbies too little time and money lol!
blue_pill85
09-24-2006, 12:26 PM
:jaw: Im in love, I work at a lfs and I have never come across this. Time to pester some distributors! If anyone knows where these came from A heads up would be SWEET! Id definitely be willing to get one for whoever can get me a distributor name, that is assuming I can get my boss to go through them!
AwolAngler
03-05-2007, 4:55 PM
one thing im interested of knowing is the price range they go for?
Just bought an inch and a half little guy a week and a half ago for 30 from a lfs
fishaddict
03-11-2007, 9:32 PM
wHERE CAN i FIND ONE OF THESE cATS and How much I'm in New Jersey
fisharium.com his in new jersey too.
fishaddict
03-11-2007, 9:34 PM
wHERE CAN i FIND ONE OF THESE cATS and How much I'm in New Jersey
Fisharium.com his in New Jersey too.
fishaddict
03-11-2007, 9:36 PM
sorry for double reply:irked:
aquaticdesignsp
03-16-2007, 10:28 AM
At 21 inches mine is unbelievable. These things will eat you of house and home and car and spouse and .............you get the point. The worst part is, it's worth it. Man lookat that what a cool man made animal.
AliceInChains
03-16-2007, 12:54 PM
how much do these things cost? and are they rare?
kwl1111
04-08-2007, 9:36 PM
Do the hybrids foul up the water by regurgitating?
AwolAngler
04-17-2007, 9:58 PM
At 21 inches mine is unbelievable. These things will eat you of house and home and car and spouse and .............you get the point. The worst part is, it's worth it. Man lookat that what a cool man made animal.
This guy looks more like a normal tsn then any i have seen... Luke to see more pics...
And Ya I've seen my guy regurgitate some liver once... He is a true glutton though!
Discus741
04-21-2007, 11:28 PM
I think having one of these along with a rtc and tsn is an awsome sight.
necrocanis
04-29-2007, 4:53 AM
Mine's now 33-34". He regurgitates when you overfeed him. I usually feed him about 2-4 pounds of shrimp and fresh fish per week.
courtneem
04-29-2007, 8:43 PM
I have always loved the RTC but these hybrids are amazing. So beautiful and stunning!!!
I am realistic and know I could never give one a proper home so I drool over others LOL Unless someday I marry a man that is as much into fish as I am and will turn a basement into a large pond LOL I stick to my smaller pictus cats.
Curiosity here...
Are these hybrids tame like many RTC are known to be? Or are they a bit more aggressive? I am not sure how aggressive tsn are or if they are more aggressive or if they like affection like RTC are known to.
I would really like if any of you with these hybrids could upload some videos to youtube or something. :) It is rare to find vids of them. I would love to see them in action.
AwolAngler
04-29-2007, 11:28 PM
my hybrid swims around real slow like with complete confidence. He hasn't eaten the 2 small sunglow cats (yet) and he easily could. I hardly ever see him picking on n e one. (I've seen him hit my tsn every now and then over a hiding spot) Other then that he's really chill but a def glutton!!!
necrocanis
04-30-2007, 3:48 PM
I have always loved the RTC but these hybrids are amazing. So beautiful and stunning!!!
I am realistic and know I could never give one a proper home so I drool over others LOL Unless someday I marry a man that is as much into fish as I am and will turn a basement into a large pond LOL I stick to my smaller pictus cats.
Curiosity here...
Are these hybrids tame like many RTC are known to be? Or are they a bit more aggressive? I am not sure how aggressive tsn are or if they are more aggressive or if they like affection like RTC are known to.
I would really like if any of you with these hybrids could upload some videos to youtube or something. :) It is rare to find vids of them. I would love to see them in action.
Mine is becoming really aggressive after being alone for several months. I put my planiceps in with him and he ripped half it's tail off. He's claimed the whole pond as his territory. He was fine when he lived with 2 different hybrids, and a huge pleco. They all died due to several crappy moves over a few months, and now he's alone until I get my mega tank built. Mine is really tame and lets me pet him and feed him by hand like a rtc, but every now and then he gets a little spooked like a tsn. I guess it depends on how good of a day he's havin. I would love to put up some vids, but I don't have a video camera so until I can bribe someone that's a no go. lol. I'd love to have a video of me feeding him some huge pompano whole.
plausible
05-29-2007, 9:37 AM
feed like 300grams a day maybe i wouldnt grow so fast.
plausible
05-29-2007, 9:38 AM
my rtc only grew 2-3" in about a month it is fast anyway?
necrocanis
05-31-2007, 7:03 AM
That is normal and maybe just a little fast. Depends on what size it is already. If it is less than 6" that is normal over 10" and doing that much in one month is fast. Go over 20" and you'll be lucky to see an inch per month.
i bought 10 RTC 2 years ago ,they were about 6 inchs long, now the biggest is around 25 inchs .they live in a pond and i dont feed them ,i put some giant gourami and pacu for it.
Is it a good size for a 2 years old RTC?
Fish Eater
06-01-2007, 12:54 AM
what about a pic??? ive never seen one of these before.thanx
necrocanis
06-12-2007, 12:51 PM
here's a pic of me hand feeding mine. Enjoy, he's at 35".
black_monster
06-23-2007, 12:40 AM
my rtc's went from 1 1/2" to 14" in 6 months!
BigWig25
07-20-2007, 9:02 AM
Hey eivlfish u r wrong about the Hybred only live 6 months, I had one 4 over 2 years in a 150, yes it out grow the tank but it didn't die in 6 months, so please get facts right b 4 u post them there r people who really need help on the fish they got not Jokes!!
necrocanis
07-30-2007, 8:34 PM
Hey eivlfish u r wrong about the Hybred only live 6 months, I had one 4 over 2 years in a 150, yes it out grow the tank but it didn't die in 6 months, so please get facts right b 4 u post them there r people who really need help on the fish they got not Jokes!!
He posted that 2 years ago. I've had mine for 2 years now and the previous owner had it for a year. So it is 3 years old. Currently 3'.
thebestincali2000
07-30-2007, 9:25 PM
wow.dont bring that to louisianna
grey'goose
07-31-2007, 1:56 AM
i believe... it depends on diet and changing water..... in 2 months
my rtc went from 3.5 inch to 13inchs :22_yikes:
this is no bull**** i swear!!!!
i testify
mine did the same thing
went from 2" to 10" in 2 1/2 months
moronchicken
10-26-2007, 10:56 PM
yep here's my RTCxTSN. They're lab produce for food consumption, and I'm sure will have the same life span as the parents. I've had mine for longer than 6months. ;)
Wrong!!!! Not a RTC x TSN. This BEAUTIFUL specimen is none other than a red tail catfish crossed with a perruno catfish. Note the spots on dorsal side...not stripes. Also, notice the head. Very round like the RTC. Unlike the shovel nose head of the hybrid that you refer to. This fish is MUCH cooler than a RTC xTSN, often called the "Dorada" catfish in the Amazon as it is tragically and savagely a delicacy for cowards and fools. Take excellent care of him.