whats your biggest cat?

[ZOO YORK 207]

what is your biggest catfish mine is 13.5" necrocanis what is it now like 29" or something

[rallysman]

I had an 18" albino channel, but I just got rid of it a few days ago:(

[DeLgAdO]

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=22053&size=1 (http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=22053&size=1)

[DiXoN]

i only have a 10'' tigrinus at the moment

[Tigrinus]

3" gold nugget pleco :grinyes:

[Snake_Eyes]

3" Bumblebee. :headbang2

[ZOO YORK 207]

I had an 18" albino channel, but I just got rid of it a few days ago:(
ive never seen a channel cat in captivity ive caught one like 25" tho

[KNH]

I currently have 3 cats and I'm working on obtaining 2 more. The largest is an 11" giraffe cat.
KNH

[rallysman]

ive never seen a channel cat in captivity ive caught one like 25" tho
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29395&stc=1&d=1147298633


I miss this cat already. It's a totally awesome fish.

[rottbo]

my albino channel cat is about 19"

[ZOO YORK 207]

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29395&stc=1&d=1147298633


I miss this cat already. It's a totally awesome fish.
that is beautiful why did you sell it.....you make me want a albino channel now:grinyes:

[rallysman]

my albino channel cat is about 19"

I thought you said 16" earlier :ROFL:
Are you upstaging me?! :ROFL::ROFL

[rallysman]

that is beautiful why did you sell it.....you make me want a albino channel now:grinyes:
It was too active and too much of a problem causer. Eventually it would have been too big for my 265 or even my 300, so I decided to let it go to a better home. It's now in a 1500 gallon indoor pond.


I will miss it.

[necrocanis]

28 1/2 inches still, but i am sure he'll break the 29 inch mark before next month. The next thread should be what's your smallest catfish! Someone will probably have some kind of pygmy syno or something like 1/2 inch.

[cichlid savage]

ive never seen a channel cat in captivity ive caught one like 25" tho


channel cats are super common most lfs's have them. what part of maryland are you in? My paulica cat is my largest abot 7" but he spends most of the time under the root wood so pic opportunities are few an in between

[necrocanis]

you got a jau too? Some of you guys make me jealous lol!

[ZOO YORK 207]

28 1/2 inches still, but i am sure he'll break the 29 inch mark before next month. The next thread should be what's your smallest catfish! Someone will probably have some kind of pygmy syno or something like 1/2 inch.
my smallest is a little over an inch it is an emerald cory i have had him for over 2 years still hasnt grown at all what a runt

[ZOO YORK 207]

channel cats are super common most lfs's have them. what part of maryland are you in? My paulica cat is my largest abot 7" but he spends most of the time under the root wood so pic opportunities are few an in between
sorry my fault i meant i have never seen one in captivity bigger than 7"

[buckeyenut222]

my biggest catfish is a cory cat that is about --------------- <This long lol

[necrocanis]

is it also your smallest?

[rottbo]

I thought you said 16" earlier :ROFL:
Are you upstaging me?! :ROFL::ROFL
i am guessing on both truthfully he is bigger than i originally thought i need to actually measure him.. sorry not trying to upstage

[xxblwn408]

Here is all 25-26" of planiceps:headbang2

[rottbo]

nice

[ZOO YORK 207]

Here is all 25-26" of planiceps:headbang2
how long have you had him?

[xxblwn408]

A little over a year. I want to put him in my 600g, but im afraid for all my other fish. He has been on a killing spree lately.

[buckeyenut222]

nope the other one is smaller lol, i dont have a tank big enough for big cats yet. i am looking for some kind of non sucker mouth cat to go in a 55 with cichlids.

[JD7.62]

15" B. Juruense here. Im kind of kicking myself though for passing up on a 24"+ planiceps for only $80!

[ZOO YORK 207]

A little over a year. I want to put him in my 600g, but im afraid for all my other fish. He has been on a killing spree lately.
what size did you get him at mine right now is 7" do you think it will grow that big in a year.............do you know the growth rate? i could never find it

[FlammingWoodChuck]

here are my cats. they are just over an inch. Not for long tho :grinyes:

[ZOO YORK 207]

15" B. Juruense here. Im kind of kicking myself though for passing up on a 24"+ planiceps for only $80!
i would be too!:duh: :duh: :duh: :duh:

[necrocanis]

:banhim: :screwy: can i kick you too? JK lol:eek: but seriously can i kick you too?


15" B. Juruense here. Im kind of kicking myself though for passing up on a 24"+ planiceps for only $80!

[necrocanis]

xxblwn408 when my planiceps is finally that size I can put him in my pond with the big boys. Is that substrate on his head?

[ZOO YORK 207]

xxblwn408 when my planiceps is finally that size I can put him in my pond with the big boys. Is that substrate on his head?
if you look closly its black sand

[xxblwn408]

what size did you get him at mine right now is 7" do you think it will grow that big in a year.............do you know the growth rate? i could never find it

When I got him, he was 2" at the most. I got him for $30.00.


necrocanis-Yes thats black sand on his head. He had just turned around and made a little sand storm and some of the sand came to rest on his head.

[cane]

my little juruense:D 8"

[Paul_MTS]

My biggest is my 12" Megalodoras uranoscopus although at the wideest point he is 5" across not including pectorals.

Closely followed by my Ageneiosus Brevifilis, whos a bit longer but not as big in the body he's about 14" long.

[fisher12889]

My biggest cat was a 13lbs channel that I had in my pond. It was probably about 30"

[tank90]

i have a 13 inch tsn, a 15 inch tsn, a 8 inch marmoratus and a 2 inch rtc/tsh mix

[ZOO YORK 207]

i have a 13 inch tsn, a 15 inch tsn, a 8 inch marmoratus and a 2 inch rtc/tsh mix
your hybrid will grow at least an inch or more a month

[Honda12]

I have a 7in synodontis eupterus, and a 6in TSN.

[Jox]

I'm not sure which is bigger. Not sure of the Sun cats size but its around 5-6 inches and really fat. I have a Lima which is longer but skinnier around 6-7 maybe.

[Rich_1833]

I have a 15 inch Channel cat. (im working on pics )

[necrocanis]

i GOT A TEN FOOT MEKONG that's me on the right!

[necrocanis]

:naughty: Pick didn't show up. Oh well. I was lying anyways!!!

[amazonfishman]

12" TSN and 7" Lima hopefully adding 10-12" planiceps or tigrinus soon.

Zoo: your planiceps should grow at a similar rate to a TSN I would think, not weight wise but length wise because they will always be slimmer then the TSN more like a Lima in body shape even at adult size. So probably 1-3" a month depending on how much your feeding it up to about 2ft then it should slow a little bit ~Trent

[ZOO YORK 207]

12" TSN and 7" Lima hopefully adding 10-12" planiceps or tigrinus soon.

Zoo: your planiceps should grow at a similar rate to a TSN I would think, not weight wise but length wise because they will always be slimmer then the TSN more like a Lima in body shape even at adult size. So probably 1-3" a month depending on how much your feeding it up to about 2ft then it should slow a little bit ~Trent
those planiceps are agressive i threw a couple rosie reds in there because i didnt have any sinking carnivore pellets and he ate like 6 really big ones wow they are pigs

[xxblwn408]

Don't you just love how they jusrt sit there and when a fish touches his barbles, then with just one kick of his tail. BAAAMMM no more fish.

Here is another cat of mine. My acara cat

[ZOO YORK 207]

Don't you just love how they jusrt sit there and when a fish touches his barbles, then with just one kick of his tail. BAAAMMM no more fish.

Here is another cat of mine. My acara cat
hes fat. and they dont even hit the barbels on my planiceps its like he knows they are there

[black_monster]

i want a planiceps..

[cichlosoma123]

the red tail catfish in my pond is 37.5" long....booyah!:woot:

[finsandfangs]

mine is just a strong 16 inches

[ZOO YORK 207]

mine is just a strong 16 inches
my red tail has black on it tail as well why?

[finsandfangs]

no clue? i wondered why it seems no one else's had it

[ZOO YORK 207]

no clue? i wondered why it seems no one else's had it
i will post a pic later in the weekend my rtc has a big black spot on it, its kinds of weird

[Carl D]

The giraffe is just over 12 inches now, and the limas are 12 inch.

Not too bad lol.

Carl.

[sje106]

My biggest cat is my 18 inch Red Tail Cat, i had me a 16 inch TSN too. altho me Dad had a 40 inch!! yes 4 0 Inch Red tail cat lol (i kno small for a RTC but big for us) he was a monster!!

[Bashiba]

I have 12inch Synodontis Decorus - Was the first fish I ever purchased going on ten years old.
Also Have a 22lb Tabby.

[Kuda]

i hope to own a tig soon

[ZOO YORK 207]

awesome if you get one u better post pics!

[Kuda]

i definatly will, im getting a hardwood floor this month, the i'll be bringing in my first real monster tank, a 180, i hope to find a good sized tig when i do begin looking for one

[necrocanis]

someone has a video of a huge rtc, with a big paroon shark, and other large cats in the video gallery. http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/4933/cat/520
check it out! yeah!

[xEchOx]

Lol, that thing could eat me!! Sweet vid.

[Kuda]

thats an awsome video, and rtc!

[cichlid_keeper91]

This is my biggest cat. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[stotty]

I had an 18" albino channel, but I just got rid of it a few days ago:(


:WHOA: Why did you git rid of it rally? i thought he was one of your faves!

This is my TSN and my TSN/RTC Cross about 17"

Also my channel cat in my pons he is about 18"

[Oscarboyz]

10" perruno or marbeled pim

[Fishpaste]

LOL mine is 3" but hey leave him alone that guy will kill any unsuspecting shrimp btw hes a spotted talking catfish.

[ZOO YORK 207]

my shovelnose is now 14" and RTC 11"

[Red Devil]

Wow some great cat pictures.. really enjoyed seeing them all

[mudskipper]

right now, a 7" feather fin syno., and a 5" striped rapheal. The biggest 2 I have kept are my 8-9" e-cat(I miss him), and a 13-15" albino pleco. I a eager to get my hands on M. irwini and shovelnose in the future

[STATIC X]

I SO MANY BIG CAT FISH LIKE THE TIGER SHOVEL-NOSE 10'', CLARIAS 14'' , ROYAL PLECO 10''


BUT U LIKE MORE GO TO THE WEB'''''www.planetcatfish.com

[bolty]

some pics of my cats (past) but cant give a size as i dont have them anymore

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/bolty22/fish/old%20tank/peruno/peruno00715aug04.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/bolty22/fish/old%20tank/pangaseas/pangaseas00318dec04.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/bolty22/fish/old%20tank/syno%20cats/syno00418aug04.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/bolty22/fish/old%20tank/tiger%20shovelnose%20cat/shovelnose03417jun05.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/bolty22/fish/old%20tank/walking%20cat/clarius03120jan05.jpg

[Red Devil]

I like them all but especially the chocolate spotted color one on the last picture..what kind is it? I think i have the same as your 3rd picture down.. syn. cat??? too bad you do not have them anymore..

[ZOO YORK 207]

I like them all but especially the chocolate spotted color one on the last picture..what kind is it? I think i have the same as your 3rd picture down.. syn. cat??? too bad you do not have them anymore..
i think the spotted one is a claris cat but im not too sure

[joeytoe]

I used to have a 16" Marble cat. Right now my biggest is a 10" TSN

[necrocanis]

oh, those clarius are sweet. Hmmmmm, too bad. I would love to have one.

[ZOO YORK 207]

oh, those clarius are sweet. Hmmmmm, too bad. I would love to have one.
same here but i have not seen one in person

[IMFishHead]

I have many cats over 12" This is my Leiarius Pictus , got him from George at Shark Aquarium year and 1/2 ago at 12" he is now a whopping 20" ( Not counting whiskers ) I NEED BIGGER TANKS!!!!

[necrocanis]

Zoo I am almost certain that clarius cats are illegal in the USA. They have taken a foot in florida and there are reports of people seeing them walking across the roads on rainy nights! I wish I could see one walking across the roads here I would do the environment a favor and keep it for myself! ;)

[ZOO YORK 207]

haha same here

[vanimate]

3" gold nugget pleco :grinyes:

For you Logan, that is a SMALL cat! ;)

[bolty]

I like them all but especially the chocolate spotted color one on the last picture..what kind is it? I think i have the same as your 3rd picture down.. syn. cat??? too bad you do not have them anymore..
he is a claris/walking cat
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/bolty22/fish/old%20tank/walking%20cat/clarius02615oct04.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/bolty22/fish/old%20tank/walking%20cat/clarius02212sept04.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/bolty22/fish/old%20tank/walking%20cat/clarius02316sept04.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/bolty22/fish/old%20tank/walking%20cat/clarius02012sept04.jpg

[Red Devil]

wow these are some nice pictures and it is nice seeing them both together and with tin foil bobs..{sp.} really beautiful those walking cats! thanks for sharing.

[Redtail_Watcher]

i have a 25inch retail, my largest one was 32inches it died last year from fungis her name was baby blue from the dark blue eyes and she was my baby.... It made me wanted to cry when that sh^t happen!:cry:

[gRRRR]

Mine at the moment is a 5.5" Upside down ^^

[stotty]

Thought i should add my claris/walking cat

[stotty]

Zoo I am almost certain that clarius cats are illegal in the USA. They have taken a foot in florida and there are reports of people seeing them walking across the roads on rainy nights! I wish I could see one walking across the roads here I would do the environment a favor and keep it for myself! ;)


Also Clarias are not only banned in a number of countries with a tropical climate but extends into a number of non-tropical zones including some of the European mainland for example, it is against the law to keep such a fish in Germany. But in the UK is fine i have had a few and have had the one i have now for about 3 years

[karpomatic]

A few years ago I had 2 Tiger Shovelnose cats. I bought them at about 4" each and quickly reached 2 feet. I would do regular water changes and would do the maintence like clockwork but, for an unknown reason I lost both of them within a few days of each other. These fish are very nocturnal. They look amazing when they're small but, are voracious eaters and not to be kept with anything that will fit in their mouth.

[blissful_sky]

I have a 18" red tail catfish that was kept in a 40 gallon tank by a horrible fish store. I had to rescue him and brought him home right away and plopped him in my 100 gallon tank. Though now even that tank is much too small for him and I need to find a way to get a 300 gallon tank for a good price..I fell in love with my catfish and would hate to give him away when I just brought him back to health.. (lots of jumbo shrimp:) )

What is the best way to get a good tank for an afforable price.

[necrocanis]

cattle trough or homeade pond. Costed me $150 for a 6ft dia 350 gal cattle trough and my fish have been in it a year now. My rtc x tsn is now 30 inches. I'll be moving soon, and I am thinking before next summer gets around I am upgrading to a 8 ft dia 700 gal pond. costs like $250, I will make a filter from my small pond which I am replacing with an aquarium.

[amesbien]

i have 3 cats.

1 native bullhead in my small 90 gallon pond (outside) he's only about 4 inches. Hes become quite friendly with the goldfish coming up to eat the floating pellets i give them.

and then 2 larger cats in the 250+ gallon koi pond (also outside). I caught em about 2 years ago and theyve grow alot. Id say there about 18'+ inches.

[amesbien]

i have 3 cats.

1 native bullhead in my small 90 gallon pond (outside) he's only about 4 inches. Hes become quite friendly with the goldfish coming up to eat the floating pellets i give them.

and then 2 larger channel cats in the 250+ gallon koi pond (also outside). I caught em about 2 years ago and theyve grow alot. Id say there about 18'+ inches.

[amesbien]

sorry double post

[Roel]

trile post now :banhim:

[Dr.Pez]

I have a 18 " lince catfish (Platynematichthys notatus)

[ZOO YORK 207]

i've got to find me a Lince Cat.

[taksan]

a Lince is my dream fish ..... :nilly:

[ZOO YORK 207]

Same here...:)

[KEVIN B]

i have a 22'' red tail cat that is only 9 mnoths old.pics as soon as i learn how to put them on my web...

[KEVIN B]

i also have a 9" asian red tail.but it is sort of scaredish.doesn't come out that much..

[ZOO YORK 207]

Lets see those rtcs!


Oh yeah Welcome to MFK!

[Honda12]

Mine would be the 10.5'' tig I pick up this thursday:headbang2

http://aquaticpredators.com/forums/uploads/post-26-1159576491.jpg
Photo by E_americanus.

[ZOO YORK 207]

Mine would be the 10.5'' tig I pick up this thursday:headbang2

http://aquaticpredators.com/forums/uploads/post-26-1159576491.jpg
Photo by E_americanus.

Honda your buying that tig for $300? You are one lucky man my friend!


Nice tig i want one but they are out of my price range.

[Honda12]

Honda your buying that tig for $300? You are one lucky man my friend!


Nice tig i want one but they are out of my price range.

They are pricey but worth it to me, although this guy is costing me two paychecks.

[ZOO YORK 207]

They are pricey but worth it to me, although this guy is costing me two paychecks.

WOW!

[Honda12]

WOW!

Thats only 4 days worth of work. I made it sound worse than it really is. I work 2 days a week and get paid weekly.

[ZOO YORK 207]

Thats only 4 days worth of work. I made it sound worse than it really is. I work 2 days a week and get paid weekly.

Must have a awesome job!

[Dr.Pez]

Another big catfish Hemisynodontis membranaceus 12"

[Red Devil]

Mine would be the 10.5'' tig I pick up this thursday:headbang2

http://aquaticpredators.com/forums/uploads/post-26-1159576491.jpg
Photo by E_americanus.

wow that is a great looking cat.. lots of luck and please post pics after you get him.

[carsanfish]

My biggest catfish are my RTC's at 25'' and 27'':headbang2

[necrocanis]

i think this thread has been around long enough and is full of awesome pics and threads to become a sticky! Anyone else agree???? Just a thought. Oh and to stay on topic my rtc x tsn should hit the 31" mark soon. He amazes me, shows no sign of slowing his growth, but I know my move in 2 weeks will stress him, because I have to modify his tank for outside weather here in montana. So he goes in a temp tank for a couple days/weeks til the project is finished and I am satisfied my catfish will be safe outside. I have all my catfish handfeeding now, and my planiceps has grown from 13"-15" since I have had him.

[TheFishGuy]

Here's my TSN, he's about 18" or so... He's my second one. I didn't do any research when I got my first one years ago and he out grew my 185 and is currently on display at a local shop.... I decided when I got this one last year I was going to keep him for life. So I built an 800 gallon tank for him.... He was 3" last august. The last time I measured him he was 17" last month.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/jjstraz/DCP_4704.jpg

VIDEO :

http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/jjstraz/?action=view&current=MOV02725.flv

[Red Devil]

All the cat pictures are awsome.. i really love all cat fish.. i was taking a couple pictures of my other fish but my Upside down Syn. cat caught my eye with his antics so i took a couple pictures of him too..

[ZOO YORK 207]

yeah...come on people keep the thread alive!

[TheFishGuy]

Here's an old pic of my marble cat:

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/jstraz/MyPictures0003.jpg

[amazonfishman]

necrocanis where are some new planiceps pics, zoo you to post the planiceps love! MONSTER in the making my huge planiceps at a whopping.......5" :) soon though he will be huge ~Trent

[necrocanis]

mine is now 15" i have some actually pics of him in an aquarium. He's in a 125 till he's big enough to go in the pond with the big boys. i will get them on here tomorrow I hope with some updated pics of my big ones.

[ZOO YORK 207]

necrocanis where are some new planiceps pics, zoo you to post the planiceps love! MONSTER in the making my huge planiceps at a whopping.......5" :) soon though he will be huge ~Trent

man my dad killed mine:( i was on vacation and i asked him to take care of him and he fed him about 10 rosies at once and it choked i want to get another one....im going to wait a bit longer tho...

RIP little buddy

[pumbus]

heres a pic of my 14" claris cat,in the process of setting up a breeding tank for this bad boy

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a107/pumbino/DSC00473.jpg


http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a107/pumbino/DSC00491.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a107/pumbino/DSC00457.jpg

[DIESELMACK]

I have many over 19" but this is my biggest guy(note the tank is 30" tall ;) and 6x4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqMsGa8xfyk

[Red Devil]

heres a pic of my 14" claris cat,in the process of setting up a breeding tank for this bad boy

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a107/pumbino/DSC00473.jpg


http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a107/pumbino/DSC00491.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a107/pumbino/DSC00457.jpg

Your Clarious is beautiful.. i love his markings.. your going to breed him?

[pumbus]

yea thats the plan anyway,i have a few people waiting for some so i gotta get at it soon:D ,the person that gave me the idea to breed him is the guy that i got him off about 5 months ago,the LFS has to large females for me whenever i go to pick them up,i'm still in the process of getting the plants for the tank,and i might have some wild caught black barred silver dollars on the way which i am REALLY cyked about

[Red Devil]

That is great..does the clarius require anything special ..is it hard to breed them.. does the female have his markings too.. good luck to you.. very exciting about those silver dollars too..

[pumbus]

pretty much the only thing claris's needs is ALOT of food,for breeding then they need a place about 30cm's in diamiter cleared out for spawning,the females that the store has for me are similer but not to his extent,from what i have read there not hard to breed,yea i can't wait for the SD's,and i was going to ask will silver dollars school with different species,beceuause the same guy that has the banded ones also has some red hooks and guyana ones,

[TheFishGuy]

Yes, silver dollars will school with others, in a big enough tank it looks awesome....

[ZOO YORK 207]

Thank you Li for making this thread a sticky:)


:headbang2 ::::::MFK RULES:::::::headbang2

[pumbus]

hey fishguy,where have i seen that name before i wonder :D

[IITUFFTOBEATII]

Still babies

[ZOO YORK 207]

Still babies

I hope you have a BIG tank. These get 5'+!:nilly:

[TheFishGuy]

hey fishguy,where have i seen that name before i wonder :D

:naughty: Only just about every other fish forum on the planet:D

[newt0524]

hey all

this guys not huge yet but he is my girlfriends and mine biggest one.

He is a 10" albino walking catfish. About 2.5-3" around and his name is snowflake.

pretty darn cute if you ask me. he likes to be pet, will eat out of your hand, he eats all the snails you pick up in plants and eat just about anything.

I havn't seen many of these on here, in fact none that i can think of. Any reasons? i think there illegal in some states, but not in canada.

Anyways, he'll be moving into a 300 Gal with my TSN (about 5" but not for long) and a 1 year old pacu in a month or so.

hope you dig em

newt

[TheFishGuy]

Cool....

[newt0524]

they are kind of neat. one of the few fish that breathes air!

but if you don't take well enough care of the tank...they will push the top off and walk away usually to be eaten by a cat or dry up on your living room rug.

newt

[ZOO YORK 207]

nice catfish i want one now.

[IITUFFTOBEATII]

I hope you have a BIG tank. These get 5'+!:nilly:

I am well aware, I am working on a very large enclosure for them.

[doubledragon]

My biggest cat is my 18 inch Red Tail Cat, i had me a 16 inch TSN too. altho me Dad had a 40 inch!! yes 4 0 Inch Red tail cat lol (i kno small for a RTC but big for us) he was a monster!!

40 INCHES WOW now that's a hog I bet he ate a wallet full.:ROFL: But if i had the space it would be worth it just to watch that monster:drool: was he in a huge tank or a pond setup? got any pics

[doubledragon]

hey all

this guys not huge yet but he is my girlfriends and mine biggest one.

He is a 10" albino walking catfish. About 2.5-3" around and his name is snowflake.

pretty darn cute if you ask me. he likes to be pet, will eat out of your hand, he eats all the snails you pick up in plants and eat just about anything.

I havn't seen many of these on here, in fact none that i can think of. Any reasons? i think there illegal in some states, but not in canada.

Anyways, he'll be moving into a 300 Gal with my TSN (about 5" but not for long) and a 1 year old pacu in a month or so.

hope you dig em

newt

how much do those cost? They are some sweet cats

[sje106]

yeah the red tail was in a 7x3x3 about 15 or 16 years ago. it was feed mostly on whole trout from the supermarket. mum went down shop and got them each week lol the only pics i have are actual photo's. i will try nd get them on here somehow, but i dunno how.
he also had a couple of TSN 30 inch+ and at one point a Oxydoras Niger that was the same length.
he's had Perrunichtys Perruno too at about 30 inch bullheads 20 inch and clarius cats 18 inch, Giant gourami's 24inch, Pacu's the size of a dustbin lid so about 24 inch plus and many cichlids like Tilapia Buttikofferi, Vieja Synspilum, Hartwegi, Amphliophous Citrinellum/Labiatum, Oscars, Jags, Blue eyed Pleco 15 inch and a red Snakehead that was in the region of 2 foot.

he's had them all at one point or another and they all got huge, they were fed loadsa food and massive water changes done very regualr. to filter it he had undergravel believe it or not, but also had 3 or 4 of the old Eheim Grey buckets with the Hobby pump 1250 on top!!
he still gets mates that he aint seen for a long time saying "you still got that massive tank?" he just laughes lol
it was one of the biggest private aquariums in the country at the time and prob the biggest Red Tail Cat in the country at the time. i was extremly surprised to hear all this when i first started out in the hobby and trade. i even did research to find out if it was wives tail or not but it was true lol ask friends, family, his old fish shop he worked in as a teenager just like me and also his old boss/LFS owner/friend of the family an he reckons that he looked after it for while and he fed it a rat, LIVE!!!:WHOA: and he swallowed it down whole!!:eek:
i will try and sort some pics for ya all. :D

[newt0524]

"how much do those cost? They are some sweet cats"

We inherited it, so im not really sure. I have only ever seen one in a pet store, it was about 10" and $100.00 CDN.

I know that they are illegal in some states. Im not sure exactly which, mostly the southern states where they will survive outdoors.

These cats are super friendly. When you put your hand in the tank it will swim all around it and rub up against you. They love to be pet and rub up on any other fish in the tank.

newt

[roybryan]

I had 2ea 24 incher red tail cats. I moved to Ft Benning Ga and the fish survived the trip fine however they died almost instantainiously when i put them in the tank. The biggest held on for almost 2 days but died. I lost over $1000 in catfish and rare chiclids and barracudas to crappy Chattahoochie river valley water. On a positive note I hope these are the only fatalities from my time at Ft benning that my family has to endure. Hope I dont get a bullet in my ass. lol

[ZOO YORK 207]

my tsn is now 16" and my rtc is now 15".

[tx_bandit_01]

my longest full grown pictus catfish

[Gourami Swami]

My new 6" shovelnose

[ZOO YORK 207]

My new 6" shovelnose

what (sp.)?

[Gourami Swami]

Sorubim Lima :)

And at the moment I am looking into buying a Hemisorubim Platyrynchos

[cichlid_25]

My biggest cats are my 6" synodontis eupterus and 6" pictus. Used to have a 14" channel cat.....but hes now in the pond and become a monster....hardly ever see him though:(

[frnchjeep]

I cant figure out how to post a pic, but I have an upsidedown cat that is 8 inches and a marbled pim that is about 17 inches

[johnptc]

casper is about 33 inches.....got him atetco at about 4 inches.....:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:


what is your biggest catfish mine is 13.5" necrocanis what is it now like 29" or something

[ZOO YORK 207]

casper is about 33 inches.....got him atetco at about 4 inches.....:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

nice catfish John!

[johnptc]

thanks and it should read petco

[ROSS]

mine is a TSN about 12'' or bigger slightly . I've had it since it was about 4'' , one of my favorite's next to my Rapheal catfish 5 1/2'' .. :D

[braddawson09]

columbain shark 5 in
and a pictus about 5 in too

[tfaceon]

81/2 inch rtc how do i load a pix? from my pc

[ROSS]

81/2 inch rtc how do i load a pix? from my pc

while on the page you type the post in scroll down to ATTACH FILE.

click on MANAGE ATTACHMENTS

then a window will pop up , click BROWSE and from there it will bring you to YOUR PICTURE FILE IN YOUR PC ...

RIGHT CLICK the picture you want to display and then click on SELECT then it will bring you back to the browse window , now click UPLOAD give it a minute to load then X out if you don't want to upload more pic's (if you want to load more pic's click on browse again below the first one you clicked on don't upload till your done selecting pic's fill the browse bar's ..) then click SUBMIT REPLY . your done.. :D

[Slough Shark]

Bronze Corydoras 4-5 Cm :jaw-dropp

HUGE!!!

[parker21104]

my south american redtail cat 18 months and 22 inches

[parker21104]

you can get a 300 gallon tank from crystalviewtank.com 1" cell cast acrylic $1000

[Red Devil]

my little juruense:D 8"
Oh is that a cute pose!! he is sweet...

[Red Devil]

Also Clarias are not only banned in a number of countries with a tropical climate but extends into a number of non-tropical zones including some of the European mainland for example, it is against the law to keep such a fish in Germany. But in the UK is fine i have had a few and have had the one i have now for about 3 years

Your clarious are gorgeous.. they are really good looking cats..

[Red Devil]

This is my biggest cat..11 inches.. He is a Synodontis Frontosus,.. just had him confirmed since we were not sure before.but he turns out to be a true species and rather rare.. and hard to get information about him because of it..

[ZOO YORK 207]

Nice synodontis Liz.

[Red Devil]

Nice synodontis Liz.

Thank you..love your red tail too.

[pumbus]

heres a new shot of the claris thats about 16" or so, showin his mfk pride:D

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a107/pumbino/new/pumbuspics115.jpg

[Red Devil]

heres a new shot of the claris thats about 16" or so, showin his mfk pride:D

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a107/pumbino/new/pumbuspics115.jpg

These are my favorites..he is awesome..who do you have in the tank with that big guy?

[pumbus]

yea i love claris cats,there like tanks

there is a tailipa,2 male con's,6" cigar shark,i'm moveing him soon to the oscar tank so i can put a red devil i have in the 90 with a 15" pleco

and i'm getting rid of the cigar shark ,tailipa and one of the con's,the other is going with the cat

[Red Devil]

yea i love claris cats,there like tanks

there is a tailipa,2 male con's,6" cigar shark,i'm moveing him soon to the oscar tank so i can put a red devil i have in the 90 with a 15" pleco

and i'm getting rid of the cigar shark ,tailipa and one of the con's,the other is going with the cat

He will be okay in with Oscars.. as long as their big??? I thought they go after everyone ... i wish i could own one.. i especially love yours with his great color pattern.. like a pinto horse haha

[ZOO YORK 207]

That Clarius cat is awesome.. Makes me want one..:irked:

[Red Devil]

That Clarius cat is awesome.. Makes me want one..:irked:

OH I want one too...:cry:

[pumbus]

well the oscars are 13" so they can handle themselvs,oscars and claris cats go well together.as long as it's to big to fit in his mouth he doesn't pay attention to it:)

heres another shot for your viewing pleasure

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a107/pumbino/New%20cam/POTM.jpg

[Red Devil]

well the oscars are 13" so they can handle themselvs,oscars and claris cats go well together.as long as it's to big to fit in his mouth he doesn't pay attention to it:)

heres another shot for your viewing pleasure

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a107/pumbino/New%20cam/POTM.jpg

what a really really handsome guy.. and really good picture of him!!

[pumbus]

what a really really handsome guy.. and really good picture of him!!

well thank you...oh your talking about the fish right :D ,i love that pic,it's the only one i have where he has all his barbells out in uniform and not jamed behind rocks or wherever he is at the time

[Red Devil]

well thank you...oh your talking about the fish right :D ,i love that pic,it's the only one i have where he has all his barbells out in uniform and not jamed behind rocks or wherever he is at the time

One of the best pix i have seen so far of a clarias.. but yours is a great size too.. beautiful!

[pumbus]

i have a few good pics of the claris

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a107/pumbino/DSC00532.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a107/pumbino/New%20cam/Picture027-1.jpg

[Red Devil]

He is truly awesome... what do you feed him? He is so healthy looking and filled out.. thanks for sharing ..i always enjoy clarias pictures and yours are excellent.. you are lucky that you can have him.

[pumbus]

i feed him cichlid pellets,tubiflex worms,earthworms,shrimp,smelt and other raw fish,chicken heart every now and then,and whatever vegi's he'l eat

[Red Devil]

i feed him cichlid pellets,tubiflex worms,earthworms,shrimp,smelt and other raw fish,chicken heart every now and then,and whatever vegi's he'l eat

no wonder he looks so good..that is one good diet...

[pumbus]

I like to give my fish a good varyed diet,all my fish except for my pleco's get pretty much the same diet,just different amounts of each
the pleco's get mostly vegi's,cucumber, zuckuni(thats definitly spelt wrong:screwy: ) and sometimes a piece of apple

it helps to keep them looking their best:)

[Red Devil]

I like to give my fish a good varyed diet,all my fish except for my pleco's get pretty much the same diet,just different amounts of each
the pleco's get mostly vegi's,cucumber, zuckuni(thats definitly spelt wrong:screwy: ) and sometimes a piece of apple

it helps to keep them looking their best:)
I agree.. i give my plecos lots of veggies too, and the Pacus get carrots and bananas and other stuff that i put in microwave a few minutes until it is softer.. I never tried cucumber.. i will try that...and apple.. thank you for sharing... i enjoyed the clarias and info..

[pumbus]

no prob,i want a pacu so bad,apperiently there exactly like an Oscar if they could reach 3',all clumsy and pig like:D

[Red Devil]

no prob,i want a pacu so bad,apperiently there exactly like an Oscar if they could reach 3',all clumsy and pig like:D

Haha pig like.. perfect! They do have the flat pushed in nose and can they eat! I have two platter size.. you may have seen them on my pacu thread.. {making waves} they are really very sweet.. if they are fed like you feed could maybe reach 4 feet.. i do not think they ever really stop growing.. slow down but still grow..and mine are 8 years old.

[pumbus]

how big of a platter are they,lol,i've heard of people feeding pacu's whole tomato's,now that i'd like to see

[Red Devil]

how big of a platter are they,lol,i've heard of people feeding pacu's whole tomato's,now that i'd like to see

I really do not think i should be putting a pacu in a catfish thread..but oh well.. here is their picture.. I believe the biggest is almost 24"long.....x.....16inches high....x ....4inches thick..

[pumbus]

NICE!!,those are huge:eek: ,what size tank r those things in

[Red Devil]

NICE!!,those are huge:eek: ,what size tank r those things in thanks haha they are in 220gal. alone

[stotty]

Just an up date my RTC/TSN cross is doing well in the pond thing eats like a pig.

[Red Devil]

Just an up date my RTC/TSN cross is doing well in the pond thing eats like a pig.
he is awesome .. i wish i could keep mine in a pond.

[stotty]

he is awesome .. i wish i could keep mine in a pond.



Thanks he has a few nips out of his fins at the moment as I put my jag in there with him and my TSN as he was getting a bit nippy with his tank mates I just hope he does not nip him back not a good picture but this is an update on my TSN

[ZOO YORK 207]

Hey Stotty how big are those two cats?

[stotty]

Hey Stotty how big are those two cats?



18" x 2 :D as I said I have had them for 5" at the moment they are growing at the same rate but now the cross is out eating the TSN

[Red Devil]

Hey Stotty how big are those two cats?

hey how is your arow doing.????

[Red Devil]

Thanks he has a few nips out of his fins at the moment as I put my jag in there with him and my TSN as he was getting a bit nippy with his tank mates I just hope he does not nip him back not a good picture but this is an update on my TSN
very nice markings and good weight on him.. hope all goes nice and peaceful for you.

[parker21104]

This guy swallowed my 10" atf

[Red Devil]

This guy swallowed my 10" atf

That is too bad that you lost your fish to him.. but this fish is gorgeous.:headbang2

[necrocanis]

My rtc x tsn is around the 31 1/2"-32" mark. Just thought you guys might want an update. Love your cats stotty. My planiceps will go in with my hybrid in a couple of months if all goes as planned.

[vinson lim]

i love this pic so mch, its really cool when u see them in a line... i took ths pic last october(2006), 3 cats is now given to my cousin at singapore.

their length on pic :
rtc(left) ---> bout 25cm
rtc/tsn(mid) ----> bout 23cm
tsn(right) ------> bout 28cm

now they were much much more bigger i think... not really sure, havent see them for several months (3-4 months)... "P

[necrocanis]

I'm jealous. I still need a rtc to complete my collection. lol. Can't wait till I have all three!

[ZOO YORK 207]

Drive to Maryland I got one. :)

[freeskierrocket]

This guy swallowed my 10" atf


crap that an expensive feeder!!!!:WHOA: :WHOA:

[necrocanis]

Drive to Maryland I got one. :)

that's a helluva drive. If I ever have 10 days to spare on nothing but driving there and back I will do it!

[TheFishGuy]

I'm in north east ohio.... I'll drive to maryland :)

[ZOO YORK 207]

Well he is about 11-12".

[Bgonz]

Drive to Maryland I got one. :)



I was going to ........But you bought it !!!!!



bob

[ZOO YORK 207]

I was talking about my rtc.

[chenaus]

Yea the prettiest RTC you'll ever see

[TheFishGuy]

Cute little guy... How big is he now?

[Chad55]

I just went through all of these pages for the first time...Man I cannot wait until I set my pond up... Hopefully I can do it this summer. As soon as I get a job and get my car insurance and cell phone all situated I am going to start saving. I hope I can pull this off for under $500....an 8x8 possibly 8x10... it will be closelol.

Chad

[ZOO YORK 207]

I just went through all of these pages for the first time...Man I cannot wait until I set my pond up... Hopefully I can do it this summer. As soon as I get a job and get my car insurance and cell phone all situated I am going to start saving. I hope I can pull this off for under $500....an 8x8 possibly 8x10... it will be closelol.

Chad
Maybe I will help ya out with a fishie. Maybe a RTGG:headbang2

[Chad55]

Well I sure hope so...I am getting one one way or another. I just absolutly love them!

Chad

[koltsix]

:headbang2 I have one 6 inch Pseudopimelodus Apurensis(aka:Jello Cat, aka:Jelly Cat, aka: the Mouth)

[halofishboy]

my biggest is a 10" tsn got him when he was about 1.5"

[ZOO YORK 207]

my biggest is a 10" tsn got him when he was about 1.5"

What was that about 4 or 5 months ago.

My biggest cat right now is about 18" it is a Tsn. Got him about 10 months ago when he was like 2"

[necrocanis]

my biggest is a 32" tsn x rtc hybrid lol. He's ate about one half pound pompano every two days for the past month. He's had lots of growth this month for his size! Did pretty much an inch or more. He's more difficult to measure in his new setting. lol

[Razman]

lol, i thinks its currently a little less then 2in.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=29224&size=1

[Red Devil]

lol, i thinks its currently a little less then 2in.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=29224&size=1He is so cute!:)

[TheFishGuy]

150 Gallon
1 Flowerhorn/ Red Terror Pair, 1 Green Terrors, 1 Oscar, 1 Red Terror, 1 Managuense(Jaguar Cichlid), 2 Jack Dempseys, 1 Pike(crenicichla sp. bellycrawler ),1 Dovi, 1 Tiger Shovelnose Catfish, 1 Red Tailed Catfish, 1 Sailfin Pleco.

I sure hope you're getting some kind of giant tank soon LOL

[Razman]

He is so cute!:)

thanks. ive actually got two of them.

[rasdbo]

my 10" tsn will be going in a 250g pond for the summer cant wait tosee how fast it grows!!:popcorn: :headbang2

[koltsix]

This thread has been posted before. Tyler did this same thread before you did. Just trying to be helpful like you were to me.

[Atreyu]

3 foot redtail catfish.

[FishyCreations726]

Can anyone tell me if this a columbian/silver tip cat or a channel?

[ZOO YORK 207]

Columbian Catshark.

[ZOO YORK 207]

My biggest cat is my Tiger Shovelnose it is about 19" now. I cannot believe I bought it almost a year ago at 2".

[Red Devil]

MY biggest cat

[Mentzer]

From 8" to 31.5", had him 14 months. He was a great fish, gave the guy that helped me remove him from the tank a sore one though, the first hard ray of both pectoral fins went into his hands through a wet towel. Ouch!

[X24]

huge belly there

[necrocanis]

did your rtc just eat a lot in those pics or was it's belly like that alot? Looks similar to gravid catfish that I have caught before. Just interesting. I wish I could find a way to sex these bad boys, and girls lol.

[Mentzer]

did your rtc just eat a lot in those pics or was it's belly like that alot? Looks similar to gravid catfish that I have caught before. Just interesting. I wish I could find a way to sex these bad boys, and girls lol.

No, flat belly after 3-4 days. In the latter stages he would eat a 11"-12" rainbow trout (dead) every 3-4 days. I bought them at the fish market and removed the head and put it in.

[TheFishGuy]

That's how these aggressive cats are supposed to feed, they gorge then fast....

[DJC776]

My Heterobranchus Longifilis is 32", my Oxydoras niger is 30" and Leirius Marmoratus is 27". The HL is home alone while the other two are in my big 12' oddball community tank

[IMFishHead]

DJC776 you gotta post some pics of those bad boys!!!!

[SCHLEIMYENDE]

My two RTC are 21" and 25" and eat everything that fit in their mouths.
They live together with one Clarias Bathracus and three Oscar cicklids about 10".

[frnchjeep]

This pic is about a year old. It is my marbled pim(when in a 90 gallon). Both of these guys have grown at least 5 inches since then and are in a 220 now.IMG_0342.JPG

[Red Devil]

This pic is about a year old. It is my marbled pim(when in a 90 gallon). Both of these guys have grown at least 5 inches since then and are in a 220 now.IMG_0342.JPG

great pic... gorgeous cat too..:)

[Red Devil]

updated pics of cats:D

[TheFishGuy]

This pic is about a year old. It is my marbled pim(when in a 90 gallon). Both of these guys have grown at least 5 inches since then and are in a 220 now.IMG_0342.JPG

Nice pim......

[frnchjeep]

great pic... gorgeous cat too..:)

Thank you...You have some handsome cats yourself!!:D

[Red Devil]

Thank you...You have some handsome cats yourself!!:D

thank you.. but i want yours too:grinno:

[frnchjeep]

Nice pim......

Thank you. Do you have one? I wish there was more info out there on these guys. Everything that I know about them, I found on the internet(which still isnt much). When I got him, The LFS didnt even know what he was. He was sold as a "south american cat". I just knew that he was too big for the oscar that I had at the time to eat. He has nearly doubled in size since then. He is almost 2 feet now, and is still growing. He is great and I have never regreted picking him up. So, if anyone knows about them, please let me know. :D

[frnchjeep]

thank you.. but i want yours too:grinno:

haha..I think he would miss his friends, though!:D

[Red Devil]

haha..I think he would miss his friends, though!:D
of course and you would miss this special guy.. 2 feet OMG.. he is huge! I went through the same thing trying to find info on this rare synodontis.. he is a frontosus.. very little info .. and now of course i am going through it big time with the unidentified knife.. i just wish i knew his species name.. good luck hope someone knows something..:D

[frnchjeep]

IMG_0343.JPG
The cat in the top center of the tank is another one that I have and dont know very much about. I got him from a friend who bought him as a baby and started to eat his tankmates. He seems to be full grown (because he hasn't grown at all in a while). When I got him, he was about 6 inches, and is now about 8-10. He is some kind of upsidedown cat. He is nocturnal and completely black. Someone told me that he is a "chinese upsidedown cat", but I cant find any info on that either. Any info would help. This is another pic of my old setup. sorry about the outdated pics, I will try to get some new ones soon.:D

[frnchjeep]

of course and you would miss this special guy.. 2 feet OMG.. he is huge! I went through the same thing trying to find info on this rare synodontis.. he is a frontosus.. very little info .. and now of course i am going through it big time with the unidentified knife.. i just wish i knew his species name.. good luck hope someone knows something..:D

yeah, I definitely would miss him. The knife is STILL unidentified!? I thought that someone who knew would have spotted him by now. wow...well, good luck to you, too!:D

[TheFishGuy]

Thank you. Do you have one? I wish there was more info out there on these guys. Everything that I know about them, I found on the internet(which still isnt much). When I got him, The LFS didnt even know what he was. He was sold as a "south american cat". I just knew that he was too big for the oscar that I had at the time to eat. He has nearly doubled in size since then. He is almost 2 feet now, and is still growing. He is great and I have never regreted picking him up. So, if anyone knows about them, please let me know. :D

Well, not anymore. I had one about 14 yrs ago, he was awesome, no one knew anything about them back then either lol I do know they stop growing at about 30" and don't be surprized if he decides to fast for a few months. They've been known to do that. Mine never did but back then we didn't have the internet to do rersearch... Also mine never ate a live fish, he only ate cichlid sticks. I never even thought to feed him fish fillets like I feed my three cats now....

The TSN on the left (Kong) is 27", the RTC (Frankie)is over 22" and the TSN (Tigger) on the right is also over 22". The channel cat is over 16" and that midas up to the left is 10". Everyone was measured about a month ago... The thre big cats eat fish fillets from my hand. Kong, Frankie and the channel cat were rescues.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/jstraz/003-9.jpg

[frnchjeep]

Well, not anymore. I had one about 14 yrs ago, he was awesome, no one knew anything about them back then either lol I do know they stop growing at about 30" and don't be surprized if he decides to fast for a few months. They've been known to do that. Mine never did but back then we didn't have the internet to do rersearch... Also mine never ate a live fish, he only ate cichlid sticks. I never even thought to feed him fish fillets like I feed my three cats now....

The TSN on the left (Kong) is 27", the RTC (Frankie)is over 22" and the TSN (Tigger) on the right is also over 22". The channel cat is over 16" and that midas up to the left is 10". Everyone was measured about a month ago... The thre big cats eat fish fillets from my hand. Kong, Frankie and the channel cat were rescues.



Nice, Thanks for the info. They are awesome cats. They dont seem to be too popular, which is a shame. Mine will eat anything. And I mean anything! He used to eat feeders, but I got away from that. He will eat krill, market shrimp, shrimp pellets, cichlid sticks, sinking carnivore pellets, beef heart, cichlid pellets, algae wafers, and sometimes cat(the furry kind) food. All sounds normal, right? Now for the funny part. When I feed the pacus, he fights for their food, too. He eats baby carrots, broccoli, cukes, cauliflower, etc. He makes an oscar look picky!

I like your cats, too. They are huge(and fat, too!). They look very happy and have lots of room to move around. What size tank is that? It looks like what I will need someday.

[TheFishGuy]

They're in an 800, 14'x3'x30" tall...... Still not big enough.....

[Crazy Taco]

Thoes are some awesome looking Cats, My TSN just ate my Clownknife and I am a little upset about it since I JUST put him in there and they were the same size. :S

[frnchjeep]

They're in an 800, 14'x3'x30" tall...... Still not big enough.....

wow... thats cool...when you upgrade, I might be intrested:drool: as long as it isnt too soon. I am already testing the structural integrity of my 2nd floor apartment with my 220 and 55(dont tell my landlord:eek: ). An 800 would definatly be parked on my downstairs neighbor's heads. But, I will need something like that some day. Was it custom made? Expensive? The lfs around here has one that is 10'x3'x3'. The owner told me that it was custom built, and it is the biggest I've ever seen in person(excluding public exibits). Yours sounds sweet!:headbang2

[TheFishGuy]

Thanks, I made it and it's a permanent attatchment to my home, built in place. If you'd like to read this you can.... I suggest just looking at the pictures LOL
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=103294

[frnchjeep]

Thanks, I made it and it's a permanent attatchment to my home, built in place. If you'd like to read this you can.... I suggest just looking at the pictures LOL
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=103294

wow. thats great. I have been reading for about 2 and a half hours now. I am on page 85. That is awesome and something I have been thinking about for my own house (when I own one). It seems to be the best way to go. I dont know how you were able to keep stopping and posting pics. Do you think that you would have gotten it done faster or easier if the forum wasnt a factor? Ive got to tell you, from the point of view of someone who has been thinking about a project like this sometime in the future, it is extremely informative.. Nice job!

[frnchjeep]

On second thought, you can pm me with any responses(if you want). That is just so that we dont get the catfish thread off topic.;)