Pound for Pound toughest fish?

[rumblesushi]

in a tournament of the best predatory fish around, all weighing the same - who would you fancy?

It's fairer to do it by weight, like boxing, for example a 12 inch rhom is gonna weigh significantly more than a 12 inch senegal bichir.

Also I know that fish are not robots, it does come down to the individual - just how aggressive, pugnacious and tough they are.

For example my red snakehead was extremely aggressive even for the species.

Not only would it attack your hand if you stroked the tank and go for your fingers if you went around the top of the tank, but I once tried mixing it with fish the same size to see if anything could live with it. I tried 2 fish of equal size and it ripped them to shreds as soon as they arrived (seperate occasions).

And it was not even hungry, it was very well fed on beefheart, shrimps, goldfish etc.

Yet my pirhanas were not aggressive at all. A goldfish could live for days in that tank, they seemed to prefer dead food. And if i put my hand in they would do nothing.

So let's say we take an average specimen of each fish, not one that's unusually aggresive or timid.

Who would your money be on? (excluding poisonous fish, has to be a fair fist fight (well mouth ;))

I guess the contenders are red snakeheads, wolf fish, african tiger, possibly a rhom? Lungfish?

[DanDanUK]

A fully grown Oscar can be very agressive but if you would like us to choose between the fish you have provided i'd have to say snakehead. watch raymans video and you will see what i mean bad ass man.

[spryandspringy]

Definitely the convict. They're mean!

[rumblesushi]

dan, no not at all - those were just the first fish that came to mind :)

I've always know an oscar is aggressive, but take on a snakehead or something like that of the same weight? In my opinion the snakehead would be faster, more powerful, with bigger teeth, and probably just as aggressive. My money would be on the channa.

How about a 20 inch SH vs a 20 inch malabaricus?

[guppy]

I want to see a 2' bowfin vs a 2' snakehead, even money?

[DanDanUK]

dan, no not at all - those were just the first fish that came to mind :)

I've always know an oscar is aggressive, but take on a snakehead or something like that of the same weight? In my opinion the snakehead would be faster, more powerful, with bigger teeth, and probably just as aggressive. My money would be on the channa.

How about a 20 inch SH vs a 20 inch malabaricus?
do you mean Wolf fish / Tiger fish (Hoplias malabaricus) ? because i would still say snake head fella.

where abouts in uk are you ?

i'm in leeds

[rumblesushi]

I mean hoplias malabaricus yup.

Though I love snakeheads, it was my fave fish I ever owned, the wolf just looks mean as hell.

From what I've seen it seems to be even more aggressive and powerful than a SH. Some people have kept snakeheads with other fish, but I've never seen anyone claim to keep a hoplias with anything other than another hoplias.

It also has much bigger teeth.

I'm in brighton, right on the south coast, your area seems to be much better stocked with aquatics than down here ironically :)

[DanDanUK]

Yeah a Hoplias looks hard as F**K but the snakehead is well agressive.

[piranha45]

Queen triggerfish, or fahaka puffer. Their jaws are unmatched by anything other than piranhas, and unlike piranhas, they actually have the balls to use their dentition. They'd remove an opposing fish's jaws/flesh/organs like tree clippers remove fingers.

[piranha45]

after puffers/triggers, i'd say african lungfish would be next, they have jaws similar in power to puffers/triggers, but lungfish are long and slender and therefore more vulnerable to attack.

[unknownuza13]

A fahaka would own all... I think a wolfish would destroy a snakehead to be honest.. I have owned both.. all three actually

[Miles]

Puffers don't really have the killing instinct that the other Predators do. If you were to put a large puffer in with a large dovii.. The Dovii would be much more quick and agile, and instantly lace into the puffer (and probably stun himself) but make him puff up immediately. Granted, Puffers have the biggest bite of any fish, pound for pound (FW), but they don't have that berzerk go out and attack anything mentality.

If you consider it a matter of weight, you have to look at the Snakeheads body shape in comparison to most other predators. He is going to weigh less but be just as viscious at maximum size. Red Devils, Dovii's, Umbee's will all weigh a considerable amount, in comparison to a slender bodied giant snakehead.

I would be more interested in the match verse snakeheads and perhaps a lungfish, but lungfish don't have that berzerk attitude either. Big difference between a 'large predator' and 'a crazy whacked out bite your face off predator'..

Just a few things to think about. I am sure we are not considering alot of factors, so I don't know exactly who would win. I heard Aba Aba knifes are quite nasty too, and as long and streamline as they are, they will not weigh as much.

I would go with Channa, Dovii, Aba Aba.. I guess ? :)

[guppy]

Miles, which would you favor? the snakehead or a bowfin? the snakehead has the rep, both have the bite, though I think the bowfin has stronger jaws, the bowfin is better armor but probably slower. Pretty much the same niche. The definition of aggressive seems to vary from person to person, puffers might be aggressive because of their picking on others, bowfins might be agressive because they chomp things inthe night, frogmouth cats and marbled sleepers almost never move but sometimes eat fish as big as they are and take a few hours or more to get it all swallowed, but are they agressive?

[piranha45]

Snakeheads have sturdier teeth than bowfins. A professor at my U. has a skull of what was problably a near-3' bowfin; the teeth are similar to this SH's pic, but not as thick-- more slender.
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/art2002/snakeheadgiant22inhead.jpg

[Miles]

It's so hard to say, with all of the regional differences.

To be honest, I have never seen or kept bowfin's in person, but have read about their nasty demeanor. I have however seen a 12" snakehead almost instantly inhale a 10" pike. (In which both fish died in the incident..owner was a tard for trying to put them togethor) So thats why I would probably have to lean towards SH.

Also, Bowfins are native to N. America right? I thought we were keeping this discussion in the terms of home aquaria and 'tropical' species. Perhaps I am being ignorant, and species of bowfin do exist in tropical climates. However, if we are taking US Native fish into consideration then we left out a HUGE amount of fish (Many we don't know much about probably).. Then you would have arguments about Tiger Muskies, and Northern Pikes, and who else knows what other crazy cold water creature would be 'Nutzo' in home aquaria?

Since N. American native fish are not kept that often, or observed as often as the 'Popular' predators (Cichlids, Primitives, Puffers, etc), then we really have no way to gauge what fish would be the most aggressive in home aquaria. I am NOT trying to de-rail this thread and bring native fish into the mix, I would prefer to keep it based on fish that are COMMONLY kept by monster fish keepers accross the world.

I was wondering about the marbled sleeper goby today, as well as some of the nastier catfish. However, I try to visualize in my mind what would happen... Say you take 2 fish, drop them in a 90g tank at the same time, and who wins? I would have to put my money on a Channa or a Cichlidae because they would regain their surrounds quicker, and realize they need to establish territory ASAP. Gobies, Puffers, Lungs, Primitive fish would all be in a state of shock, and their first instinct would be to find cover and become 'settled' in their new surrounds..

That is why I visualize a Channa or Cichlid going after one of these less 'territorial' fish, before that fish can get a chance to react. Hence, the Fahaka Puffer getting demolished by a Channa, due to the Puffers natural reaction to change in environment. The puffer (or alot of the other preds mentioned) will not have the mentality to react and become territorial, nor the ability to flare gills and lock jaws in confrontation.

If they both have the ability to become established, and then a divider is removed, it can be a different story. I still feel that the puffer would not instantly attack anything, but rather bite out of curiosity. The channa on the other hand, will be WAITING for the divider to be removed, so it can 'claim' the other half of that tank.

Interesting scenario: 90g tank, divided in half. One side houses the most aggressive Channa Sp, the other side houses a Dovii cichlid. They both weigh the same. You both let them become established for 2-3 days. Divider removed, who wins?

I noticed no one has mentioned Managuense in this either, however after attempting to put a big Jag and a big Oscar togethor, I would not add the Jag to this list. Unfortunetly this Oscar has a serious attitude problem, and actually went mouth-to-mouth with the Jag and won. I was extremely saddened, especially since this Jag was the most aggressive one I have ever seen. (Would jump a foot out of the water to bite you.). Later on that same Oscar got his fins shredded over night by a Red Devil of similiar size. Each case was an isolated scenario though, in which other fish may have played a roll, or perhaps the order in which they were introduced. Remember though, Jaguar cichlids are not incredebily thick or broad bodied, so if it were to attempt to fight an Oscar or Red Devil of the same Weight, it would own it, IMO. Jags sure are nasty for there 'medium' size, IMO.. and Convicts are nuts for their 'small' size also..

So who would win between Dovii and Red Devil? What other crazy large cichlid am I forgetting?

Also, I have not had alot of experience with Wolf Fish.. Will they flare gills and fight with a channa? I know their teeth have the ability to puncture, which could disable a channa quite fast. However, would the Wolf Fish just sit their and wait for the Channa to make his move? In that time the Channa could possible disable (or stun) the Wolf Fish long enough to finish
him off.. Tough Call.

Remember, try to visualize what would actually happen between the 2 fish. Some fish have a natural instinct, that other 'Predators' don't. Usually the fish with the insinct to claim as much territory as fast as they can, will have the upper hand. Regardless of how powerful or fast the other fish is, if it's not ready to throw down immediately, it's going to get stunned, disabled, and killed pretty fast.

Damn, this is like UFC for fish.

Too bad we can't cheat, or I would go with an Electric Eel :)

[DeLgAdO]

id put my money on a snakehead.

[Miles]

After looking at that closeup of the snakeheads teeth, of course it would own any Cichlid. I mean what else can contend with that at the same weight?

[thamunsta]

perhaps a full grown starved s. manueli

[sleepyflight]

This might sound crazy but after owning a few calvus....I'd throw one of them in the ring....pound for pound.... I've watched many take some hard shots from much larger fish and they just don't seem to care until the irritation reaches a point and then they go turbo ape$hit for 5 seconds and it's all done. Thier skin structure is just plain made for it....it feels like fine roofing shingles practically

[ksiaquatics]

Miles, which would you favor? the snakehead or a bowfin? the snakehead has the rep, both have the bite, though I think the bowfin has stronger jaws, the bowfin is better armor but probably slower. Pretty much the same niche. The definition of aggressive seems to vary from person to person, puffers might be aggressive because of their picking on others, bowfins might be agressive because they chomp things inthe night, frogmouth cats and marbled sleepers almost never move but sometimes eat fish as big as they are and take a few hours or more to get it all swallowed, but are they agressive?

My opinion is the bowfin would own the snakehead. A little story about a bowfin experience from back in late January 2004. A friend and I were down in Jasper county doing a fish survey for a consultant in some swamps they want to protect for a nature trail. We had stopped by one of our regular sites to get a baseline on what was out at this time of year. The previous May, we had been chased out of this site by a 10ft gator (they look alot bigger when you're chest deep in the water than from a boat). Anyway, we were seining around the same spot as the gator had been but since the temp was in the mid 30's we weren't to concerned. Suddenly Dustin's eyes get really big and he says "something hit me in the leg...HARD!" I kinds think to myself "yeah right....chicken" when I get nailed in my legs, three times! I see a wake cut across in front of the seine and holler (in a high-pitched girly voice) "lift the seine, lift the seine!" When we lifted it, there was a brightly colored male bowfin about 20" in length. Knowing Riverbanks Zoo wanted one to display in their tank, we took it back to them and it's now happily swimming around one of their tanks along with a couple of longnose gar, a small alligator gar, a large bluecat (~30 lbs), and several species of sunfish. The bowfin now rules this tank.

I had heard that male bowfin will protect their nest but would never have believed they would go after humans and I've got bite marks in my waders to prove it. Never heard of a snakehead doing anything like this.

Chip in SC

[jelly]

Yeah a Hoplias looks hard as F**K but the snakehead is well agressive.

I would say some Cichlids are more agressive than SH's.

I have a 9" Mannie "Jaguar Cichlid" in with my 14" African SH and the Cichlids are definitly the more aggressive, My Jag 'Spot' as I call him is even territorial towards me when I go near the tank. He bites me when I put my arm in his corner as well.


I also have a Convict of about 2-3" in a floating container in the same tank that rears up at anything, SN or otherwise regardless of size.

I have seen a picture of a Mannie skull and there are plenty of teeth.
http://www.endlichericlub.net/forums/showthread.php?t=417

[nick]

when it comes to brute strength and quickness i have to go with pbass, when it ocmes to rip your nipple off and let you grab um it comes to sunfish

[DanDanUK]

Puffers don't really have the killing instinct that the other Predators do. If you were to put a large puffer in with a large dovii.. The Dovii would be much more quick and agile, and instantly lace into the puffer (and probably stun himself) but make him puff up immediately. Granted, Puffers have the biggest bite of any fish, pound for pound (FW), but they don't have that berzerk go out and attack anything mentality.

If you consider it a matter of weight, you have to look at the Snakeheads body shape in comparison to most other predators. He is going to weigh less but be just as viscious at maximum size. Red Devils, Dovii's, Umbee's will all weigh a considerable amount, in comparison to a slender bodied giant snakehead.

I would be more interested in the match verse snakeheads and perhaps a lungfish, but lungfish don't have that berzerk attitude either. Big difference between a 'large predator' and 'a crazy whacked out bite your face off predator'..

Just a few things to think about. I am sure we are not considering alot of factors, so I don't know exactly who would win. I heard Aba Aba knifes are quite nasty too, and as long and streamline as they are, they will not weigh as much.

I would go with Channa, Dovii, Aba Aba.. I guess ? :)
Actually after you have said that i must change my option and go for the Cichlasoma (Nandopsis) dovii "Wolf cichlid" yes this would be my choice now.

[nick]

what about a *****y jardini? ****ing quick and ive seen one of um rake the **** out of a dovi same size (10in jaridni 8-9in dovi) the dovi was an inch from death, spent a month and a half in a hospital tank loaded with pimafix and melfix, he flared at the jardini then the jardini went ape, he chomped back 2 or 3 times then started to try and run as if he knew he was done, the jaridni kept mauling him and chasing hima ll over a 240 with dats everywhere

[piranha45]

what about a *****y jardini? ****ing quick and ive seen one of um rake the **** out of a dovi same size (10in jaridni 8-9in dovi) the dovi was an inch from death, spent a month and a half in a hospital tank loaded with pimafix and melfix, he flared at the jardini then the jardini went ape, he chomped back 2 or 3 times then started to try and run as if he knew he was done, the jaridni kept mauling him and chasing hima ll over a 240 with dats everywhere
hahaha, wow :D

[unknownuza13]

I need to see a jardini in action I keep reading about everyones being so agresive and mean. I just don't know how they stand up to some of the fish.. I have a jardini probably about 6 inches now.. and a male dovii around 8 not in the same tank. He would destroy him and I know 6 inches is small. But at 10 inches I would still put my money on the dovii. I don't feel like their bodies are designed to be so crucial. They seem to be very vulnerable to attack in my opinion.

Where is everyone getting thier info from that snakeheads are so agro.. Have you all kept them before or does it just get passed thru the grape vine. I'm not saying that they aren't agressive but I don't know that they are as crucial as everyone makes them out to be. I have owned 2 red lines. They were agressive towards feeder goldfish.. I think if I put in a decent sized dovii or any other bruiser central american cichlids they would have destroyed my sh's Just my 2 cent

[guppy]

Bowfins though native can easily be kept in tropical tanks, in louisiana they were often caught in sloughs and oxbows with water temps in mid 80's and still feeding. I had one strike a canoe paddle once and leave splinters and embeded teeth. I do think the sh would strike first if you were to drop them in a tank at the same time but it would mainly be who got the first bite in. with the m.sleeper or frogmouth, I think that if you dropped a sh into Their tank they would eat the snake head but in a fight they would be owned. Don't know wolffish.

[Miles]

They seem to be very vulnerable to attack in my opinion.
I agree about the Arrowana..


Where is everyone getting thier info from that snakeheads are so agro.. Have you all kept them before or does it just get passed thru the grape vine. I'm not saying that they aren't agressive but I don't know that they are as crucial as everyone makes them out to be. I have owned 2 red lines. They were agressive towards feeder goldfish.. I think if I put in a decent sized dovii or any other bruiser central american cichlids they would have destroyed my sh's Just my 2 cent


Remember, we are talking about body weight. A 'decent sized dovii' is still going to be somewhat smaller than an equally weighing giant channa sp. It would definatley be an interesting match.

I still want to see a 3ft Aba Aba knife attack something.

[Monster VooDoo Fish]

A big pacu would own any sh or wolffish of equal length.

my old 13" wolf put the thrashing on my 26" cobra.

but this wolf was a scrapper!

[Shoey626]

I have a shoal of mixed pygos that are mean as hell and will destroy anything in teh tank once it hits the water.

[craig]

id say cuttlefish.they are like buzz saws. :newbie:

[craig]

undilated trigger.they are downright viscious

[piranha45]

undilated trigger.they are downright viscious
and have teeth/jaws that crush rock.

[redtailfool]

Mantis shrimps!! cept theyre not fish =( ... the force of their forceps equals to that of
a .22 cal bullet. Baddddasssss !

[piranha45]

they are pretty docile, another creature of great hype. Their personality is akin to that of piranhas. And triggerfish and puffers still love to munch on mantis shrimp, both in the wild and in the aquarium.


that said, I do have some excellent videos of mantis shrimp tearing apart crayfish of equal size, hit me up on aim if interested.

[Nate_N_Nicole]

Convicts probably

[alfon76]

I could be completely wrong but my opinion is that an Aba Aba will tear up any of the fishes mentioned here. Just look up the damage an Aba aba can do and you'll start thinking that maybe, just maybe, a snakehead is not that bad.

All the fishes mentioned are mean, nasty and aggressive but the Aba Aba is all that and more but with a nice and cute face that you will never suspect, LOL.

Ivan

[smellsfishy]

I'm gonn have to go with a full grown tiger oscar

[piranha45]

Hemibagrus catfish warrant mentioning here, too. Formidable teeth and formidable temperament.

[papa burgandy]

in going to back the trigger. very aggressive in previous ownership.

[rumblesushi]

Great replies, I thought you lot would give serious answers.

And yup it's a good point about the intangible factor of whether the fish is willing to throw down as soon as he comes face to face with the opponent.

Something like a trigger or giant puffer or lungfish may have the tools, bone crunching jaws, but unless they have the natural killer instinct to go at it right away, they're going to lose before they even have a chance.

Also something that does need to be taken into consideration is how good a chin you think the different fish have :D

Something like a wolf fish looks tough, very tough, I imagine that would have to get chomped quite a bit before it gave up or died. Where as arowanas and most cichlids look to have more fragile bodies and heads.

I like the hypothetical sweet science of fish combat, it's like underwater boxing ;)

[piranha45]

green sunfish deserve mentioning, too

[Miles]

I want to see an Aba Aba in action.. Who has Videos.

What does their teeth look like? With their body structure, they could quite possibly be fast and agile. Interested to see what would happen with a Channa and an Aba Aba knife.




Oscars? We are talking pound for pound people.. Oscars are giant teddy-bears. I see small convicts destroy slow-moving Oscars.

[piranha45]

yeah well the oscars comment came from the same guy who warned that oscars like hard water and that changing too much water will ruin your tank

[Killduv]

Marbled goby! Damm I had a tough mother and he took no crap from any fish.

[jelly]

Mystus Wyckii, Catfish. Not had one but have heard they are extreamly aggresive. No tankmate will be safe or owners hands. they also destroy equipment.

[guppy]

I know it is not a fish but how about a sea wasp box jelly?

[piranha45]

he said in the first post that all poisonous animals are excluded from this thread...

[Letmegrow]

Sunfish/bluegill/pumpkin ears
I had a 7" redtailed shark and two 3" pumkin ears took it by the head and tail and ripped it in half. They killed instantly what ever I put in the tank. :headbang2

Walleye look fierce, I hate taking them off the fishing line.
I think a peacock bass and a walleye would be a good fight...

Any of the psuedochromis/bass/dottybacks for saltwater.
Mean, aggressive, and relentless. For small fish they can brawl.

[joel]

i once watched a dempsey and a convict take out a snakehead that was twice the size.

[rumblesushi]

what's the scientific name for a pumkin ears? I've never heard of it.

[piranha45]

what's the scientific name for a pumkin ears? I've never heard of it.
pumpkin seed - Lepomis gibbosus

[PhullTank57]

:idea: for lightweight... phago??

[piranha45]

what's a phago?

[Letmegrow]

http://www.nativefish.org/Gallery/Lepomis-gibbosus-x-Lepomis-megalotis-1.jpg

There is a picture of one.
That is a great web site BTW.

[PhullTank57]

what's a phago?

http://www.salmlernetz.de/Citharinidae/Phago-Dateien/boulengeri.jpg

Phago

INTRODUCTION

I will be discussing only the species Phago maculatus which is known to me. The other varieties found in the subfamily are lesser known and no samples are available for me to properly discuss here.

A very nasty little predator, Phago maculatus is a fin-eater found in African Congo. There are 3 or 4 species of Phago growing to about 160 mm SL and have unique teeth that are compressed and tricuspid, very trenchant and set close together. This structure of teeth allows them to cut the fins of other, sometimes, larger fishes. Their "beak" resembles scissors which move upward when the mandible goes down.

Their body are pike-like along with their other relatives in genera Eugnathichthys, Belonophago, Icthyoborus, and Phago.

Another peculiarity of Phago is the scales, which are rugose, with a median spine forming a sort of longitudinal crest, giving somewhat the aspect of the osseous plates of a seahorse.

The species have a fusiform body shape, their fins are barred as in most other genera, and their elongate body is usually spotted.

A 10 gallon aquarium should be sufficient for this little monster. They will kill (or at least fin-nip to death) any fish placed into the aquarium with them. They kill largely for sport.

Found in West Africa in the Niger River this fish is best kept alone as a single species. The temperature requirements are 72° F to 82°F. They are not sexually dimorphic. They require live food or they will not survive in the home aquarium. They quickly starve to death if not kept well-fed.

Not a suitable fish for the beginner.

REFERENCES

Magallanes, Frank, OPEFE Research Files; 1982-2000 Not for Public Review.

Géry, Jacques, 1977 Characoids of the World, TFH Publications Inc. Neptune City, NJ.

Axelrod, H.R. and Schultz, L. P. 1990 Handbook of Tropical Aquarium Fishes, TFH Publications Inc. Neptune City, NJ.

[piranha45]

interesting...

[sandtiger]

Knowone mentioned the Emperor cichlid (Boulengrochromis microlepis) from Africa.

[rayman45]

red snakehead

[piranha45]

Knowone mentioned the Emperor cichlid (Boulengrochromis microlepis) from Africa.
because they aren't that aggressive. Not that they're docile, but people have kept them with tankmates without much if any trouble. They're much more likely to kill one another than anything else. There's alot of other cichlids out there with at least as much aggression as emperors, and I'd definitely bet on a big dovii over a big emperor.

[guppy]

he said in the first post that all poisonous animals are excluded from this thread...
Sorry, forgot

[sandtiger]

because they aren't that aggressive. Not that they're docile, but people have kept them with tankmates without much if any trouble. They're much more likely to kill one another than anything else. There's alot of other cichlids out there with at least as much aggression as emperors, and I'd definitely bet on a big dovii over a big emperor.

I saw a video on Nat Geo (Jewels of the Rift) of two emps defending their nest from a very large turtle and I was impressed. I also read in a recent TFH "Top of the Food Chain" that they were aggresive.

"Due to their overly aggresive behavior and generally bad attitude, there are no tankmates that can be safely recommended."
-Brian Scott, TFH.

[sleepyflight]

yeah well the oscars comment came from the same guy who warned that oscars like hard water and that changing too much water will ruin your tank


Hahaha, I don't even need to comment anymore....its been said :hitting:

[piranha45]

I saw a video on Nat Geo (Jewels of the Rift) of two emps defending their nest from a very large turtle and I was impressed. I also read in a recent TFH "Top of the Food Chain" that they were aggresive.

"Due to their overly aggresive behavior and generally bad attitude, there are no tankmates that can be safely recommended."
-Brian Scott, TFH.
the same can be said--ALL that which you mentioned-- about of great deal of cichlids

The user FruitBat was attacked in-person by a pair of nesting Texas cichlids, while snorkeling. He's also been attacked by nesting largemouth bass. its not that unique. Nesting snakeheads are also very nasty from what I hear.

[DRaGoNoVA]

alligator gar looks mean....

[knickwight]

oscars are pansies compared to most other SA large cichlids, they're not even contenders

[guppy]

Dogfish sharks, they are hard to chew, okay, I know that isn't what you meant lol.

[bigmikedogg7]

Red devils are mean

[piranha45]

are they really?

[rayman45]

Red devils are mean
my sh ate it with one problem.

[piranha45]

my sh ate it with one problem.
and what was the problem?

[rayman45]

LOL i ment to say NO


my bad

[Taker]

When you are talking about the aggressive Snakehead, it is definitely the Giant Snakehead and the Northern Snakehead. But the Giant Snakehead, Channa Micropeltes is the most largest and aggressive of all Channa species. I would definitely go with the Giant Snakehead.

I know some think that the Giant Snakehead is overrated, they think that this species is nothing more than another predatory fish, they think that the Giant Snakehead is described and praised and kept at a position more than where the Predator truly stands or more than it deserves. Just like you have a story and proof to tell that this predator is not as aggressive as it was described, the more people out there to tell you that this predator is actually as vicious and aggressive as it was said to be. Those stories that you hear are not a hoax just like the story that you have to tell isn't as well.

But I am not here to say that the Giant Snakehead is the most strongest predatory fish in the world. My pick is definitely the Giant Snakehead whom I consider as the T-Rex of the fresh water! :thumbsup: below are a picture of the Giant Snakehead and a few of the Northern Snakeheads / Channa Argus.

[rayman45]

imHo red/giant sh are aggressive

[Taker]

:thumbsup:

[rumblesushi]

My red snakehead was the most aggressive fish I've ever seen. It would attack anything you put in the tank as soon as it hit the water. It would even thrash around at your finger against the glass.

That was the last time I had fish like 12 years ago. And this time I bought a wolf fish because people told me it's even more aggressive than a SH, but I've seen no evidence of it. I'll wait until it grows up, but so far the SH was 10x more aggressive and ferocious.


rayman - btw - apart from red devils and wolf fish etc :D does your SH have a staple diet of dead food? Like beefheart, shrimp etc?

[rayman45]

only touches live food

nothing dead

[FlammingWoodChuck]

I would also have to say snakehead. i read about some1 had 1 and it ripped an oscar in half

[rayman45]

I would also have to say snakehead. i read about some1 had 1 and it ripped an oscar in half
:D

[rumblesushi]

you're kidding me? How hard have you tried to get it onto dead stuff?

The SH I had loved feeders of course, but would also snap up anything fresh and meaty that was dead.

[Taker]

Speaking of Oscar, my black / red oscar was big, I thought it was impossible for my Giant Snakeheads to eat it. But one morning all I saw were my two Giant Snakeheads swimming as if the Oscar was never put there, the Oscar was nowhere to be seen. I guess one took half and the other took the rest, like I have seen them doing, the alligator death roll.

[Taker]

My opinion is the bowfin would own the snakehead. A little story about a bowfin experience from back in late January 2004. A friend and I were down in Jasper county doing a fish survey for a consultant in some swamps they want to protect for a nature trail. We had stopped by one of our regular sites to get a baseline on what was out at this time of year. The previous May, we had been chased out of this site by a 10ft gator (they look alot bigger when you're chest deep in the water than from a boat). Anyway, we were seining around the same spot as the gator had been but since the temp was in the mid 30's we weren't to concerned. Suddenly Dustin's eyes get really big and he says "something hit me in the leg...HARD!" I kinds think to myself "yeah right....chicken" when I get nailed in my legs, three times! I see a wake cut across in front of the seine and holler (in a high-pitched girly voice) "lift the seine, lift the seine!" When we lifted it, there was a brightly colored male bowfin about 20" in length. Knowing Riverbanks Zoo wanted one to display in their tank, we took it back to them and it's now happily swimming around one of their tanks along with a couple of longnose gar, a small alligator gar, a large bluecat (~30 lbs), and several species of sunfish. The bowfin now rules this tank.

I had heard that male bowfin will protect their nest but would never have believed they would go after humans and I've got bite marks in my waders to prove it. Never heard of a snakehead doing anything like this.

Chip in SC



Go read the All About The Giant Snakehead thread.

[Caveman]

What about African Tiger Fish? The one I had was fast as hell and had huge teeth. My last ATF bit a similar sized Pike Cichlid nearly in half.

[piranha45]

like all characins though there's way too many accounts of them being skittish

[kevin714]

An 8 or 9 inch Dovii is just a baby. We should compare full grown adults to be more fair. I can't see any eqaul size fish taking out a 2 foot Dovii in open water.

[stevebussard]

what about a pike cichlid? I've never seen a fully grown pike, but I know they're very agressive, at least mine is. He's about 6", and will attack anything that doesn't live in the tank with him. For whatever reason though the fish he's grown with he scraps with, but doesn't kill??? What's up with that?

[BIG REDD]

im gonna go with the snakehead, but that wolf fish is a nasty bugger too.

[CentralMayhem]

yeah, a fully grown dovii is a force to be reckoned with. at 2ft youd have one serious threat on your hands. not much other than a shark or something that could outright swallow it would have fun trying to scrap one. in my opinion the triggers are the baddest assssss fish we have around as far as pound for pound go. a trigger guarding its nest will take on sharks, divers, etc.. i have been bitten by a nice sized fuscus trigger that took the tip of my finger clean off. they have jaws with unreal strength. i have seen them bite right through whole mussels that i couldnt have crushed with my hands. i owned a undulated trigger for about 4 years and i dont care what you would have thrown in HIS tank or WHOS tank you threw him in, he would literally eat them eye balls first. then from there it would be the stomach and gill area. these fish are brutal. not all triggers are that mean. all have the ability to do damage, but in my opinion the titan trigger, queen trigger, undulated trigger and fuscus trigger would hands down RUIN any of the fish we are talking about in here. i mean most reach close to 2 ft and all mentioned can break through rock at less than half that size. armor, teeth, aggression. watch out, they are the true KINGS!!!!!

[piranha45]

we were talking about freshwater fish though :(

but yeah, I don't dispute the power of a mean trigger.

Although triggers and puffers are so similar, you can pretty much consider fahaka/mbu puffers the freshwater equivalent to triggers.

[CentralMayhem]

not really. maybe as far as dentition goes. triggers are way more agile and outright aggressive than any puffers i have ever encountered, not too mention their bodies are tough as leather. i mentioned dovii for freshwater, but wouldnt wanna tangle with any of the snakeheads or bowfins or the asian redtail cat. i just said triggers because id seen them mentioned in previous posts.

[piranha45]

a battle between a 3-foot snakehead and a 2-foot dovii would be quite a spectacle! Or a 30" dovii and a 4' snakehead.

[rumblesushi]

My money would be on the SH. There are just more equipped to kill.

[CentralMayhem]

and whos to say the outcome would be the same evry time.

[rumblesushi]

sure, would probably depend on the individual fish and circumstances. But say with an average specimen of each fish, either placed into a new tank at the same time, or a divider being removed on their existing tank. In a fair match like that my cash would be on the SH.

Cichlids can fight but they are just not as equipped to kill as pure predators which are also very aggressive like giant snakeheads/wolf fish etc.

[kevin714]

When my Dovii was 6 inches he killed my 10 1/2 inch pike without getting a scratch. I was mad that it hapened cause I loved that pike but there was nothing I could do. I had a divider up and when I was out the Dovii busted through and tore him up.

[kevin714]

[QUOTE=
Cichlids can fight but they are just not as equipped to kill as pure predators which are also very aggressive like giant snakeheads/wolf fish etc.[/QUOTE]


A Dovii is a pure predator they are built for hunting and killing other fish in open water lakes, like lake nicaragua. No veggies in their diet, pure piscivors. They also have large teeth and mega aggression when full grown. Having owned snakeheads(red and cobra) and Dovii I would say it would be a toss up between only the giant(red) snakehead and a dovii of equal weight and full grown. Against all other snakehead species I would go with the Dovii. My reasoning is take the cobra snakehead for example to equal a 30 inch dovii in weight it would have to be very long but cobra's aren't that thick so this would give the Dovii alot of area to attack possible even biting him in two. The Dovii's stockeness would give it an advantage in speed and manuverability. IMHO of course

[kevin714]

Oh I forgot to mention my opinion is based on the fight taking place in a huge tank where movement was completly unrestricted.

[piranha45]

cobras are more slender than reds at the same length, eh? like, 1/3 less massive or what?

[flowerfan]

so according to all the imformation in these thread, I would say dovi is most aggressive and sh is most dangeous fish in fresh water. :headbang2

[flowerfan]

also I would put red devil and dovi in the same catelog. I own one red devil my self for almost 9 years from when I bough him at 3" now he is aroung 14". I used to had over 40 fish in the 125 g tank( they all were around 3" to 6" at that time) including sh but not dovi. now only my red devil can make it live until now. He is now very old fish, big and slow. I used to owned few different kind of sh before, including red line and cobra sh. My red line was growing much faster than other fish, so I sold him after he killed my green terror. Autually it was only 8" at that time and the green terror liked 4" so the gt was really too big for him to eat so It bit of whole chuck of meat from my gt's back, gt die few days later.

[Waldo]

A puffer has my vote. They have the best eating habits not to mention the fact even if they loose and get eaten they still kill the other guy. :thumbsup:

[kevin714]

cobras are more slender than reds at the same length, eh? like, 1/3 less massive or what?


In my experience yes they get kinda close in the 10 to 20 inch range but the red is still always a little thicker. However judging by pictures and what I have seen in pet shops and comparing to what I had, at larger sizes a red is much thicker than a cobra maybe even twice as thick. I only grew a red to about 10 inches (he was mauled by the 14 inch cobra.) at those sizes they were about the same. I have grown a cobra to 2 feet, and like I said compared to some reds I have seen he was skinny. A 2 foot Dovii would be massive compared to it and it would be no contest. The cobra would have to be very long to match a 2 foot dovii in weight. I am basing all my opinions on full grown adult fish of equal weight. Oh BTW the red was tranferred from another tank due to space issues into the cobra tank so the cobra had the natural advantage over him. He did not kill him however but I had to get rid of the red.

[piranha45]

I did a google search on both channa myself, and yes it seems from photo comparisons that reds are significantly thicker than cobras.

[rumblesushi]

wow, didn't the red fight back?

Are cobras that aggressive?

[piranha45]

based on all the accounts I've read on, cobras and reds are of similar temperament.

its pretty common for the subdominant fish to not put up much of a fight, if any. if the red had been the 14" specimen and the cobra the 10" specimen, things obviously would have been reversed.

The fish with established territory also holds a blatant advantage as well, and in this case that was the cobra.

[Heppy]

reds also mature later than other species of snakeheads therefore don't get aggresive till there over 12"

[flowerfan]

I had own both red sh and cobra before at the same thank. Cobra usually more aggressive but red are most dangous fish when they are coming to eat. their massive teeth and jaw power can over come any fish just like feeder.

[kevin714]

The fish with established territory also holds a blatant advantage as well, and in this case that was the cobra.

I would agree with this and I think that is probably what happened. I would also agree that a cobra can be as agressive as a red. If everything was equal it would be a good fight.

[magic]

IMO for size the toughest fish are Western mosquito fish and Fairy Cichlids (brichardi). :headbang2

[He_Man_81]

i'm pretty sure a full adult male wolf cichlid (dovii) would have to rate pretty tough. mine's only about 12 inches right now, and i haven't met anything that he's ever backed down to...

[guppy]

How about a dwarf bumblebee goby?

[tigerfish]

eletric catfish would own them all

[tigerfish]

eletric catfish wins hands down :screwy:

[piranha45]

NUH UH! AN ELECTRIC WHALE WOULD~~~~

[rumblesushi]

I'd take an average oscar to bash and electric catfish. They are like a turd with a slight electric charge.

[RuckusLV]

I'd hafta go with electric eel and Fahaka puffer these two are as nasty as they wanna be. ;)

[bentnewt]

Piranhas Kick ass

[toxicfish]

I think one of the toughest fish would be a pack of about 100 RBP

[chrisnsimon1]

Fahaka puffer, killes enything I put with him. Needless to say he has a tank to himself.

[guppy]

How about the little phago maculatus, not a brawler but kills everything eventually including fish much larger than it is, as for brawlers Picture a channa vs buttikiferi match with both being the same weight.

[weighates]

I think the ATF would own pound for pound

[weighates]

ok sorry guys. I am posting so I can look at some pictures cause i need 5 posts

[weighates]

I like this place though

[weighates]

I really want a atf so if anyone can tell me where i can get 1 that would be great

[weighates]

ok last post guys

[Mahseer]

Mangrove Jack, the smartest, meanest fish I've ever seen.

[loach43]

Has anyone mentioned frog fish? Pound per pound wouldn't a frog fish just swallow anything whole that came near it even if it's opponent were about the same size? Angler fish is another. They are slow moving though (except when they lunge at food).

[fishking]

hands down, the dorado, mine (10-12 inches) killed the following all similar sized, african snakehead, black bass, and a large redline, these fish all provoked the dorado, when i sold this beast at 16 inches he continued his killing spree, killing a large black pirahna, about 9 inches, all was peaceful until the dorados tail was bit, these fish are well known for their revenge tactics.

[necrocanis]

I put a 14in. rtc x blochi hybrid in with a 13in. marble cat. The outcome was not pretty. The hybrid started attacking the marble cat as soon as I put it in the tank. It continually bit(full suction force), and rammed the marble cat into the bottom of the tank until dead. After the cat died he continued his attack until the fish was removed. I also tried putting a 11" walleye in with it today with the same outcome. Maybe hybrids are just more aggressive. Ps are overrated, I fed 3 at one time to my rtc I had a few years back. Funny cause my friend lost a bet, some dough, and 3 Ps to my catfish. (I do not condone pitting fish against each other, but there was money on the line ;) but yeah, the hybrid kicks ever fish' a$$ that I put in of similar size save for the 3 gold fish that live with him now. They are all 6in and smaller. Go figure.

[rumblesushi]

blochi?

[necrocanis]

yes I know it is a small species, but some went and did it anyways. Pimelodus blochii, planet catfish lists it as only getting to 10" and TSN usually have no trouble getting over 50", so that must have been one strange union, unless it was artificial, which I am inclined to think so. I think the TSN would just assume eat a blochii than mate with it. LOL. This one that I have is allready 14in. and growing. Wonder how big he'll get, and if he will just kill all fish that are his size.

[miro_red.D]

ill go with a snakehead...i do own them and they are nuts...wut u mean only agresive towards feeders...all fish are feeders for them...and their has bin reports of attack injuries deaths cause by adult snakehead micros...parents garding nest...they have razor sharp teeth and have u ever seen one death roll like a croc...that would shred anything into pieces...imagine a 40 pound fish grab a fish and start spinning...case closed

[focker]

a dorado will kill any freshwater fish in the world. including bowfins snakeheads wolfish oscars bass puffers convicts.. u name it and u will flush it or bury it.. the dorado is lightning fast and hates all fish. for some reason dorados do not usually turn evil until they hit the 10 inch mark but once they do its all over with.

[dacox]

Great white

[Lockness' Oscar]

From the ones you provided, I would have to say the wolf fish....Those things are insane.

[DrBranDo]

maybe a flowerhorn.
mine was really bad

[CAPOREGIME]

wolf fish...as was said about 6 months ago on this thread. has anyone, ever, in all MFK fishkeeping, successfully housed this fish with anything else in the same tank. pretty confident no one has. cant trust em. crazy little *uckers

[rumblesushi]

I have.

My wolf was kept with 2 similar sized oscars and the oscars gave as good as they got.

My wolf was disappointing. I have had 3 snakeheads and they all would have brutalized the wolf.

Channas are the baddest.

[CAPOREGIME]

it doesnt count when you make up stories...

[rumblesushi]

what the f*ck are you talking about? Why would I make up that I had a wolf with tankmates?

I had a hoplias with a senegalus, a hujeta, and 2 oscars. Here is a pic of him with a smaller hujeta behind him, the wolf never laid a tooth on him or the senegalus. Occasionally he would scuffle with the oscars, slash their tails then they would dive bomb him from above and mark him up.

Prick.

[dacox]

it doesnt count when you make up stories...

I wouldn't go around trowing out accusations like that. It makes you look dumb.

As far as wolf fish go, I think they are one of the most over-rated fish out there. Yeah they have strong jaws, sharp teeth, can't be kept with anything, etc. Same goes for p's, but they wouldn't stand a chance in an all out brawl with a SH or something like that.

[dmarinko]

african tiger

[thatonegirl]

I'm not that experienced with tough fishes, the toughest I ever kept were oscars and they were pansies. LOL

In my cichlid community, my geophagus is actually the meanest. LOL

[dredcon]

Brevoortia patronus hands down.

[Big Business]

has anyone ever had a candiru catfish? that amazon program on the discovery channel claimed the were ferocious.
but i would like to see a 30 lb red line go head to head with a 30 lb Hoplias aimara

[BastardFish]

My Dorado and largerst Flowerhorn will put a wuppin on that a*s:thumbsup:

[reddragon343]

the african tiger fish are pretty nasty.....juz look at their teeth!!!

[focker]

i had a wolf fish and dorado and large arrowanna and pike cichlid all in a 125 gallon and the only thing left is the dorado.. strikes to fast and nothing can strike back in time..

[WhiteLineRacer]

Wallago Atu

[Mahseer]

The most devastating combination of intelligence, sharop teeth and speed I have ever seen is the Mangrove jack, Lutjanus argentimaculatus. If you are in doubt about how bad these are, ask Wes at Rare Fish about the 15"+ individual he has. It is pure evil.

[wolverine]

this is my toughest fish he is about 13 inches long and will eat fish that dont fit in his mouth he ate 2 needle nose gars that were about 8 inches long only there heads were left

[wolverine]

does anybody know what he is

[wolverine]

this is my red devil he is allso very meen he picked my clown knife so bad i had to move him clown knife about 18 inches red devil about 9

[wolverine]

red devil

[wayne the pain]

Anyone had any experience with Hemichromis elongatus, heard for there size they are a true pound for pound warrior:)

[craig]

UNDULATED TRIGGER,or a TITAN TRIGGER.

[rumblesushi]

wolverine, he is a hepsetus odoe.

Never had one, but I didn;t think they were meant to be that aggressive.

[zix]

my most mean fish is channa striata, todayhe just eat a frog bigger than him and is brutal
he attack everything that goes into the tank even my finger :D :D .
is tank mate is aple snail that he give up of attacking is to big to fit in is mouth:grinyes:

[rumblesushi]

f*ckin A Zix, I'm glad you're enjoying the brutality of the channa. He's the most brutal channa I've ever owned :D

He ate a frog bigger than him? hahahahaha

[Timpon]

Are doviis as vicious as some people make them out to be? My experience with the ones I have owned have proved otherwised. I mean they held their own against other cichlids like jags and red devils, but my breeding pair (male 18 inches) was absolutely mauled and killed by a 20 inch jardini. And the jar was introduced way after the dovii were established.

Jardinis once bigger, are not the thin, slender fishes they are when young.

And a 14 inch dovii I had was also killed by a similar size butti.

Buttis and jardinis are way tougher and more vicious than doviis imo. All in the attitude I guess. Besides my experience with the buttis and jar, I'll have to go with red sh.

lfs has one and its a monster-rushes up and swipes at anything near the tank. The owner is very careful where he puts his hands!

A mangrove jack I owned was also very vicious-don't think it's in the same league as sh though

[rumblesushi]

Timpon, I have only ever owned one dovii but it wasn't as badass as their reputation suggests.

You're right about jardinis, that doesn't surprise me, they are killers.

The channa striata that zix is talking about above killed a dovii.

I tried a dovii as a tankmate, the dovii tried to lip lock it and the channa basically ripped it's face off.

[scott g]

North American Sunfish. The whole family of them are very aggressive and tough.

[Timpon]

Channa Vs Jardini ?

Caught both on fishing line, and while the jardini definitely fought harder and longer (both being the same size), I reckon the sh would win, simply b/c of teeth and jaw structure.

[Theo]

Snakehead is :naughty:

[rumblesushi]

tim - you caught a channa in Asia or?

[Tongue33]

Take them out of their evnironment and put them in a new tank two both fish and you might find out just who is tougher. Adding fish to your already established tank will tell you nothing when it comes this? Personal opinion.

It seems we all think our fish is the toughest but only judging by what they do in the tank they have been in since we bought them, I place something in my tank all my fish are going to kill it and it will most likely lose as it is dis oriented and does not know the area.. I'll shut up now sorry>>>

[Timpon]

Caught some on holidays in Vietnam. Can't axactly remember which species-was not all that into them until started reading and viewing clips on here. Joined the dark side? lol

[stotty]

We have been here hundreds of times my answer is still the same SNAKHEAD!

[Timpon]

Also saw hundreds of sh for sale at the markets over there in tubs with just enough water to keep them wet. Survived all days like this too!!

They actually didn't taste that bad-flesh was very firm. Giant goramy tasted better though.

[kevin714]

Your Dovii must have been inbred or something . Was it tank raised or wild caught? I can't see a brreding pair being taken by anything let alone any arrowana. I have a wild caught male at 16 inches and he does everything you said the red does. Just the other day I tried to fend him off with a cleaning brush while trying to put back an inlet tube he ripped the brush out of my hand and swallowed the bristle end then spit it back out. I don't see anything taking a 30 inch wild caught Dovii. All the nonsense on here is just that, anybody can make it up as they go along so I don't believe what I don't see. Anyone have videos of a 20 to 30 inch Dovii getting owned? I don't think so. I can make up a story that my Dovii killed a 20 inch red S/H. But can I prove it with a video?

[oriolesdt09]

MUSKIE!

[zix]

this channa is just 20cm but is mean. he arrive from Rumblesushi´s home after 24hours
of trip and only half hour was eating guppys and prawm .also trying to atack me true the glass. today gone buy a new digital cam (mine was stolen :swear: ) and gone take some pics:naughty:

[stotty]

Your Dovii must have been inbred or something . Was it tank raised or wild caught? I can't see a brreding pair being taken by anything let alone any arrowana. I have a wild caught male at 16 inches and he does everything you said the red does. Just the other day I tried to fend him off with a cleaning brush while trying to put back an inlet tube he ripped the brush out of my hand and swallowed the bristle end then spit it back out. I don't see anything taking a 30 inch wild caught Dovii. All the nonsense on here is just that, anybody can make it up as they go along so I don't believe what I don't see. Anyone have videos of a 20 to 30 inch Dovii getting owned? I don't think so. I can make up a story that my Dovii killed a 20 inch red S/H. But can I prove it with a video?

My old red killed every thing that was put in the tank with it! As you so rightly said I can only say what I have seen I have a Dovii ok it’s a female but she is not a ½ as bad as my red. The thing with Red Snakeheads is it a hard fish. They can survive out of water cross from one pond to another. My one would eat 2 fish every day but you put in 4 it would eat them. They are Nasty full stop. They will kill for the sake of it even if not hungry. It just gets down to first bite the Cichlid might do a bit of gill flaring but the snakehead wont :swear: about he will just nail it. I do agree a Dovii is a tough fish but lets see who can survive out of water longer
:naughty:

[TankBuster]

Can we include a mantis shrimp? They break stuff.

[ANGELMINE]

:ROFL: Snake head hands down .i put a six inch snakehead in my tank with9inch oscar and 6 inch dempsey in one year snakehead was 10inches caught it ramming the oscar to death dempsey did not fare much better...............

[rumblesushi]

:)

[rumblesushi]

My old red killed every thing that was put in the tank with it! As you so rightly said I can only say what I have seen I have a Dovii ok it’s a female but she is not a ½ as bad as my red. The thing with Red Snakeheads is it a hard fish. They can survive out of water cross from one pond to another. My one would eat 2 fish every day but you put in 4 it would eat them. They are Nasty full stop. They will kill for the sake of it even if not hungry. It just gets down to first bite the Cichlid might do a bit of gill flaring but the snakehead wont :swear: about he will just nail it. I do agree a Dovii is a tough fish but lets see who can survive out of water longer
:naughty:

Exactly, that's what happened when I put a dovii in with my striata. Mean channas are not interested in bullying, territorial disputes and gill flaring, they are interesting in killing.

The dovii flared up and tried to lip lock the channa, and the channa simply grabbed it by the face SNAP, real quick and shook it violently.

[kevin714]

<<<<<<oscar and 6 inch dempsey in one year snakehead was 10inches caught it ramming the oscar to death dempsey did not fare much better...............>>>>>

An oscar and a Dempsey? Those are baby fish compared to what we are talking about. Please don't tell me you think an oscar and dempseys are tough?

[kevin714]

"""""<<<<<<<<<<<<<Exactly, that's what happened when I put a dovii in with my striata. Mean channas are not interested in bullying, territorial disputes and gill flaring, they are interesting in killing.

The dovii flared up and tried to lip lock the channa, and the channa simply grabbed it by the face SNAP, real quick and shook it violently.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>""""

Any videos? I didn't think so. Show me the video of a 20 to 30 inch Dovii getting owned by any size snakehead you want. Otherwise this is all baloney. I have had a 24 inch Cobra snakehead and have a 16 inch Dovii. I also had a red S/H who got to 10-1/2 inches before the cobra killed him. So am very familiar with both species.

[chucky]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/tigsrus/DSC03339.jpg
I would go with a black wolf :grinyes: I have had 12-13" rhoms,2' redlines,2'cobra sh's and big malas but the black wolf takes the cake.And When I find a 12" black rhom its on in my tank

[chucky]

The best fight that I ever seen was a black wolf Vs. a common wolf

[rumblesushi]

"""""<<<<<<<<<<<<<Exactly, that's what happened when I put a dovii in with my striata. Mean channas are not interested in bullying, territorial disputes and gill flaring, they are interesting in killing.

The dovii flared up and tried to lip lock the channa, and the channa simply grabbed it by the face SNAP, real quick and shook it violently.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>""""

Any videos? I didn't think so. Show me the video of a 20 to 30 inch Dovii getting owned by any size snakehead you want. Otherwise this is all baloney. I have had a 24 inch Cobra snakehead and have a 16 inch Dovii. I also had a red S/H who got to 10-1/2 inches before the cobra killed him. So am very familiar with both species.

NO, I don;t have a video camera. Are you saying I'm lying? My channa is well documented on here, and is currently owned by another member here, he knows how ferocious it is.

That striata has killed a whole bunch of fish, including a dovii.

Show me a video of a 3 foot micro or striata getting owned by a dovii, otherwise this is all baloney.

Do you have any photos of the snakeheads and jardini that you've owned?

[rumblesushi]

The best fight that I ever seen was a black wolf Vs. a common wolf

Who won? And how big is the black wolf that you plan to match against a rhom?

Would you be gutted if the rhom won?

[rumblesushi]

hey kev - check this video out of a wild caught micropeltes vs a clarias. You think a dovii would be capable of that?

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6653

Do you have a video of a dovii ripping a similar sized fish in half? Didn't think so.

Show me a video of a dovii - any size - ripping a similar sized fish in half, otherwise your argument is baloney.

Channa KO 1 Dovii.

[chucky]

The black wolf won the mala fight but he lost one of his eyes:cry: and for the rhom fight the rhom has to be 12" and up and in my tank for at least a week b4 I let them go.And both of them has to be starved for a week too.My wolf is 13in now

[rumblesushi]

how big is the black wolf fighter? :D

Do you have any other videos? Looks like a great wolf you have, I'd be interested to see it Vs the 7 inch tem or anything else :D

[chucky]

I'm still looking for the video I just had a baby over the weekend and my wife took like a hundred pics.Dont worry I'll get something good during the week just for u.

[rumblesushi]

OK cool Chucky, congratulations and I look forward to it ;)

[Scottfree]

Wolf Fish, prey on Piranha in the Amazon....

[kevin714]

NO, I don;t have a video camera. Are you saying I'm lying? My channa is well documented on here, and is currently owned by another member here, he knows how ferocious it is.

That striata has killed a whole bunch of fish, including a dovii.

Show me a video of a 3 foot micro or striata getting owned by a dovii, otherwise this is all baloney.

Do you have any photos of the snakeheads and jardini that you've owned?


Documented? How? By your creative writing on here where is the proof of what you say?
I never said I owned a Jardini. And I'm not the one bragging about how tough a snakehead is, so the burden of proof is on you. Put up or shut up as they say. Where is the video of a 30inch Dovii being owned by a striata of all things:ROFL: Maybe a 4 foot red but never a striata.

[rumblesushi]

You didn't believe the guy who said his jardini owned his 2 dovii.

Don't be an ignoramus, if you've never owned a jardini how the **** do you know? They are mean mean fish, it's not uncommon for a jardini to suddenly turn and clear his tank of tankmates.

A striata of all things? What the ****? This goes to show your VERY limited knowledge of channas. Striatas are mean, meaner than reds, reds are hungrier.

I've owned 2 reds and 1 albino striata. The first red grew to 30 inches and was a killer, but it was not as downright nasty as my 10 inch striata that I just sold, which attacks ANYTHING you put in, anything at all, and attacks you through the glass. Don't believe me? Ask zix who posts here, I just sold it to him. In fact scroll up a bit and you'll see a post from him relating to my striata.

The burden of proof is EQUALLY on you, you're claiming a dovii is the baddest of them all, myself and several others are claiming channas are badder. WHats the difference? I bet you've never even owned a snakehead.

Did you watch the video?

Do you have a video of a dovii ripping a similar sized fish in half? Didn't think so.

Show me a video of a dovii - any size - ripping a similar sized fish in half, otherwise your argument is baloney.

[kevin714]

You didn't believe the guy who said his jardini owned his 2 dovii.

Don't be an ignoramus, if you've never owned a jardini how the **** do you know? They are mean mean fish, it's not uncommon for a jardini to suddenly turn and clear his tank of tankmates.

A striata of all things? What the ****? This goes to show your VERY limited knowledge of channas. Striatas are mean, meaner than reds, reds are hungrier.

I've owned 2 reds and 1 albino striata. The first red grew to 30 inches and was a killer, but it was not as downright nasty as my 10 inch striata that I just sold, which attacks ANYTHING you put in, anything at all, and attacks you through the glass. Don't believe me? Ask zix who posts here, I just sold it to him. In fact scroll up a bit and you'll see a post from him relating to my striata.

The burden of proof is EQUALLY on you, you're claiming a dovii is the baddest of them all, myself and several others are claiming channas are badder. WHats the difference? I bet you've never even owned a snakehead.

Did you watch the video?

Do you have a video of a dovii ripping a similar sized fish in half? Didn't think so.

Show me a video of a dovii - any size - ripping a similar sized fish in half, otherwise your argument is baloney.


It is common knowledge that when someone resorts to name calling they have lost the argument. As to the Jardini, anecdotes prove nothing, show me the video of a Jardini owning a 20 inch Dovii. I am supremely confident it will never be produced. Unless of course you fix the fight like they did with the reds and the clarias. Even then I doubt the jardini will win.
That video of the Reds killing the clarias is so unfair to the clarias I can't believe you actually point to it as proof of anything. Every fish keeper knows that a newly introduced fish is at a severe disadvantage. Is that how you set up your striata so he could have the advantage over poor disoriented fish? If I starved my Dovii for a week and then dropped those same 2 reds in his tank he would kill and eat them easily.
And finally where do I claim that the Dovii is the baddest of them all?
The burden of proof is on the one who is bragging. I am calling your bluff SHOW ME VIDEO PROOF or be quiet.

[stotty]

It is common knowledge that when someone resorts to name calling they have lost the argument. As to the Jardini, anecdotes prove nothing, show me the video of a Jardini owning a 20 inch Dovii. I am supremely confident it will never be produced. Unless of course you fix the fight like they did with the reds and the clarias. Even then I doubt the jardini will win.
That video of the Reds killing the clarias is so unfair to the clarias I can't believe you actually point to it as proof of anything. Every fish keeper knows that a newly introduced fish is at a severe disadvantage. Is that how you set up your striata so he could have the advantage over poor disoriented fish? If I starved my Dovii for a week and then dropped those same 2 reds in his tank he would kill and eat them easily.
And finally where do I claim that the Dovii is the baddest of them all?
The burden of proof is on the one who is bragging. I am calling your bluff SHOW ME VIDEO PROOF or be quiet.


The problem being here is you require even playing fields it’s the same for the snakehead starve if for a week and it will be just as aggressive as if it hasn’t been starve. What we are trying to get at here is just sheer blooded aggression. As I stated before I have had the pair of them and yes a Dovii is a mean mofo. But what I think you don’t appreciate and what rumblesushi is trying to get across is they do :swear: about they are nasty territorial .fish even killing some fish that they don’t want to eat. I have heard accounts of swimmers being attacked when they are spawning. They kill to protect there turf. And as for Channa striata a 3 foot one of these is still and handful. I have had loads of snakeheads from dwarf to Channa marulius (this actuality is the biggest and can get up to five feet in length and 60+ pounds in its native Asia but the red was just the most aggressive mean fish I have ever had. The man that had it off me put it in his tank with his huge Oscar large Arowana a 2 ft knife fish well the red did the lot bit the Arrow in half this is not the ramblings of an idiot (my wife might argue this) its just facts and what I have seen over the ???? Years I have kept fish.

[rumblesushi]

kevin - it's as simple as this - you're claiming a dovii would whup an equal size (same weight?) channa or jardini. You have no video to prove it, so why do I need to provide one?

LIke stotty and I have both tried to point out is that large badass cichlids bicker over territory, sure they can be nasty, but snakeheads are outright killers. Do you think a dovii would rip a similar sized fish in half like that?

And ask sgland if he starved them for a week, I don't think he did. They are wild caught snakeheads, that's probably why they were so savage and one of them nailed the clarias as soon as it hit the water. My point is simply whan even an 11 inch snakehead is capable of.

You obviously like dovii's and have no experience with channas or jardinis. I have experience with all of them. I guess the 2 most aggressive cichlids I have had are dovii and jag, both of them were not devastating at all compared to a bad channa or jardini. I currently have a loisellei too, which is not aggressive at all.

The dovii was killed by the striata, and the jag wanted no part of the channa at all, just hid all the time. So I rescued it, put it with my jardini. My jardini didn't like it and battered it so I sold it. My jardini also battered a texas cichlid so I fed it to my wolf. My jardini at 10 inches also whupped an 8 inch micro, almost killed it. Yet at around 8 inches, my 6 inch striata beat the crap out of the jardini, no contest, and I seperated them. Jardinis are not to be messed around with, but the single baddest fish I've owned is the albino striata. And you scoffing at a "striata of all things" shows just how limited your knowledge of snakeheads is. Like I said, ask the member here zix how mean the striata is, I recently sold it to him.

I didn't insult you kevin, I simply told you not to be an ignoramus, which is exactly what you're being. Stotty and I are not kids, we're not making this up, we're speaking from experience.

Put a wild caught dovii in the same tank as a wild caught micropeltes of the same weight (I would guess the dovii would be say 15 inches to the channa's 24 inches) and I would bet on the channa without hesitation. That's under your ideal circumstances, a divided tank, both put in at the same time, starved for a few days, then remove the divider.

If you like dovii's, fair enough, they are cool fish. But don't talk crap. I bet you've never even owned a channa.

[kevin714]

Still no video? Just alot of blah blah blah. Sorry I'm not buying it. Anyone can say the are an expert or expierienced on here. Thats why its pointless to argue my credentials with you. I and you can say anything on the internet, people do it everyday. Calling someone an ignoramus is not an insult in your country? Hmmm! Very strange indeed!
I think when the world reads these posts they will conclude I am winning my point.

[Sunpoe]

I think a wolf would own all pound for pound.I have no experience to prove it but the ones I have seen have done some serious damage to other fish.

[gilly]

totally agree with rumblesushi

[guppy]

This is a dumb argument, even if you took one of each at identicle weights and simulaneously dropped them into a tank it proves only that the winner of that bout was tougher, or quicker than that loser, a single bout is not a good enough sample. Without actually doing several fights this kind of thread is nothing more than mental masturbation.

As a species, pound for pound (Gambusia affinis) are probably the TOUGHEST fish around, not because they eat other fish, not because they fight, but because they are now one of the most widespread wild fish on the planet and no matter where you live there are probably some wild ones living within 100 miles of you. They adapt to anything from nearly marine water to soft,acid meadow ponds, ice rimmed rivers to tropical swamps, road side ditches to mountain brooks, they have even been known to live in sewage settling ponds, and that is in spite of the fact that damn near everything eats them. Now that is one tough breed.

[rumblesushi]

totally agree with rumblesushi

Thankyou Gilly ;) Another level headed poster got my back.

As you can see Kevin it seems others that have read the posts think I'm winning the argument, not you. You're full of it.

This is a discussion forum, we discuss things, not every argument needs to be backed up with a video.

How many fish fighting videos are there on here? 1 or 2?

It's not realistic to expect a "which is tougher?" argument to be backed up with a video, it's a naive and childish attitude.

And blah blah blah, where the **** is the video of the dovii ripping a similar sized fish in half? :D

[dacox]

How bout a bull shark?

[guppy]

How bout a bull shark?
I think a 3" brook stickleback would beat the hell out of a 3" bullshark, now all we have to do to test that is breed 3" bullsharks

[rumblesushi]

guppy - come on man, don't take it out of context and take it too literally :)

I mean tough in the same context as evaluating a boxer. I don't base a boxer's toughness on his ability to withstand extreme variations in weather and environmental conditions :D

I'm talking about fighting ability, strictly a who beats who scenario.

Oh and to whoever said wolf - I'm not sure. I don't have experience with the high end aggressive species of hoplias.

I did have a brazilian mal that was a big pus, 2 oscars gave as good as they got with him, and he NEVER killed a fish for fun. Only ate feeders.

But having seen photos and footage recently of some large aimaras etc, they look like absolute beasts. It may be a toss up between one of these and a micro/striata/marulius of the same weight, I don't really know. All I know is in my experience, striatas and micros are the most lethal fish I've seen. My jardini was WAY badder than my wolf.

[kevin714]

I totally agree with guppies first paragraph. But just add the video.

[kevin714]

<<<<<It's not realistic to expect a "which is tougher?" argument to be backed up with a video, it's a naive and childish attitude.>>>>

Thats funny how many adults would obsess over how tough their fish is? A FISH MIND YOU! Talk about childish that takes the cake. How long has this post been going thats all you talk about. Next it will be my dads tougher than yours nana! Let me guess you own a pit bull too,right?
In the meantime I'll wait for the video, you don't have one you say, hmmmm.

[stevebussard]

I have to say, the argument for a video has gotten completely out of control. As for the name calling and bickering, let's just grow up a little bit. Everyone on here is entitled to their own opinion, and like it or not, it's their opinion. Dovi or SH you choose, it's one half dozen or the other. Personally, I wouldn't want to mess with either. I would have to say that for my money pond for pound the all around TOUGHEST (not only the meanest and most agressive) fish would be some breed of SH. I can't say what SH though, because I live in Michigan and they are banned from this state. So experience failing me, I can only go with what I know, and I would have to assume that that's what most of us do when we post to these threads. That being said, why can't we give the guys that have been a part of keeping and handling these increadible monster fish for so long the bennefit of the doubt, and stop insisting on a video! It's not going to happen, so get over it. If you don't want to let it go, that's fine too, just quit posting the same lame demands for a video that is not going to be produced. It's just like guppy said, even if this staged fight were to be arranged and video taped, it's only a battle of the two fish in particular. That's not really a fair representation of it's breed to base everything we think we know about a certain species on one fish... is it?

[kevin714]

Like PT barnum said theres a sucker born every minute. You never owned a snakehead but your an expert on how tough they are? Steve please if you don't like whats being said mind your own business. So wheres the video, bahahahaha! Let me guess your a karate man with a pitbull and an oscar. Right?

[kevin714]

Oh and by the way I have owned a 24inch cobra S/H and a 10 1/2 Red s/h and a 16 inch Dovii along with countless other fish so pay attention to whats being said before blathering on about things you admit you know nothing about.

Still no video proof? It should be easy to get with such a super tough striata.

[ashdavid]

Firstly, I hate these kind of threads and I did not want to reply to it, but I am compeled to post this as it is my experience with these two fish that is being talked about.

I had a 27" redline snakehead and a 17-18" dovii in the same tank, ofcorse there were other fish in the tank. They had been in there together since the dovii was 11" and the redline was 7", the redline grew way faster than the dovii. Now out of these two fish the dovii probably weighed more due to it being bulker. As the redline got bigger the dovii harrased it more and more, more so than the other fish, I don't know why, but it did. I never fed the redline or the dovii live foods so aggression was at a minimum. But this situation carried on for several months until one day I come home from work and the dovii is floating on the surface barely able to keep himself upright, this reason for this was b/c the redline had decided that enough was enough and a bit the doviis tail and about 2-3" of flesh off, if you can get the piture. No jaw locking, no nothing, the redline just snaped and was not interested in taking it further and was swimming around without a mark on him, but ofcorse the dovii then soon died after that. The point is, no matter how scary those teeth are on the dovii the redlines are far more capable at sredding flesh if they want to.
Who do I think is the toughest fish? I don't know.

[kevin714]

Hmmm, do you have a video per chance? I can tell stories too.

[ashdavid]

Hmmm, do you have a video per chance? I can tell stories too.
No Vid's b/c this was not a planned incident and this happened when I was at work, not to mention that it is nothing to be proud of! I also like making up stories, and thats why I have many big tanks with many different speices of channas ,goliath wolves, goliath tiger fish, cichlids Ect,Ect. I shared my experience on these two fish with this board and if you feel that way then that is your prerogative.

[skinless]

awesome. i hope you guys never decide the right answer.

[rumblesushi]

No Vid's b/c this was not a planned incident and this happened when I was at work, not to mention that it is nothing to be proud of! I also like making up stories, and thats why I have many big tanks with many different speices of channas ,goliath wolves, goliath tiger fish, cichlids Ect,Ect. I shared my experience on these two fish with this board and if you feel that way then that is your prerogative.

Ash - don't worry about kevin mate, you can see what he's like :) He's plain rude and disrespectful insinuating that we're all lying.

Thanks for posting your experience Ash, it doesn't really surprise me. Like I've been trying to say, a dovii and other cichlids may be tough and designed for fighting, but snakeheads are born to kill. Reds even do the death roll.

Also ash - don't get this thread wrong. Given your love of wolves and channas, you obviously appreciate a predator, and I'm just interested in the very baddest preds of them all. I see it in more of a scientific way, I'm a huge boxing fan. I see it in a similar way.

All the fish my striata killed were not put in just to get killed, I was trying to see if it could live with ANYTHING but it wouldn't. When it was 8 inches it even tried to kill 2 12 inch endys. So I took them out. The jag, dovii etc were meant to be tankmates, I thought they may be tough and brave enough to survive.

Since the endys I realized it could live with nothing, so for the last 6 months or so he's been housed alone, and he now lives with zix in portugal.


Kevin - quit while you're behind, and you also need to learn some manners. You call someone a liar at the drop of a hat, that's plain rude and disrespectful. Ash is a valuable and respected member here who recently secured - and posted pics of - the only barca pair in the world. But hey, you probably don't even know what a barca is :)

[rumblesushi]

just quit posting the same lame demands for a video that is not going to be produced

I agree, it's absurd :D

What kind of a disussion forum would this be if every discussion or statement had to be backed up by a video?

"Hey guys my marbled swamp eel ate an earthworm half his size yesterday"

"BULLCHISI! It's easy to make up stories, where's the video to prove it?!"

Hahahahaha.

I wonder if he'd be inanely insisting on a video over and over again if someone came on here and posted an experience of their dovii killing their channa :D

[kevin714]

You take the cake rummy, you call someone an ignoraumous and I'm the rude one. You are just a newbie to me I was keeping fish when you were in kindergarten. Go check how long I was on *********** this is a newer site. Why are you so paranoid that someone is calling you a liar? All I asked for is documentation. Where did I call anyone a liar? Only you have mentioned lying!
I respect the way Ashdavid posted and answered me and I can tell he doesn't glory in fish killing like you. So I respect that too.
Anyone with a background in behavorial science could spot your personality traits a mile away. As if boxing has anything to do with fish fights. Please spare us mature adults the baloney.
I will soon document for all my fish keeping abilities. As soon as I find my pictures to scan.

And if its Anecdotes you want,I had a 24 inch cobra snakehead who at 15 inches easily killed a 10-1/2 inch red. However he lived with a 10 inch red devil ,4 tinfoil barbs and a pacu, for years. The most he would do is once and awhile grab one by the face and spit him out. Why? because most S/H won't kill what they can't eat, and they were to big for him to swallow( the only exception might be a Red) Now on the other hand I have a 16 inch Dovii that lives alone since he murders anything put in his tank alive or dead. So you tell me who is tougher? Their is a big difference between a fish that murders other fish and one who just kills to eat.
And to differentiate us I do not experiment with puting fish in his tank "just to see who could live with him". Why because I am an experienced fishkeeper and know what would happen (even to your beloved snakeheads). Only a newbie wouldn't know or and unless he had a huge tank like Ashdavid.

Still waitng for the video mate!

[rumblesushi]

I'm not sure why kevin, because I don't have a video, neither does ash.

How old are you Kevin? I'm 24, I've been keeping fish for long time, with a long break.

When I was 9/10/11 I had a red that grew to 2 foot. That thing was a beast, at adult size it would rip apart anything you put in.

As a juvenile however, it was not that aggressive to fish it's own size.

I recently owned another red, that at 8 or 9 inches left fish alone half it's size and was best friends with a cichla. I kept them well fed.

I got my striata at about 2.5 inches, and a day later it killed a 4 inch spotted gar that was supposed to be a tankmate. It then went on a non stop killing spree with everything I put it with, including fish twice it's size. I tried putting it with 2 large oscars in THEIR tank, and it started furiously attacking both of them simultaneously.

Then later I tried it with 2 foot long endy congicus, it attacked both of those at the same time too, it ended up getting one of the endy's heads in it's mouth and shaking it. Just like it did with the dovii. But bichirs are tough as nails, so it was fine really, I took them both out.

And I prefer predatory communities, that's why i tried the tankmates. I had no reason to think a baby striata would murder everything I put with it. Most of the fish it didn't even eat, most of them were far too big to be swallowed, and I fed it a varied diet at least twice a day. You wouldn't have thought that either, would you have assumed a juvi striata would kill everything in the tank? No other juvenile snakehead I've ever seen is as aggressive as that. And like I've said before, don't believe me? Ask zix - I recently sold it to him. He knows what a brute he is. He'll even attack you through the glass.

Your notion that most channas only attack what they can eat is untrue, out of the large species of channa I've kept 2 out of the 3 killed anything you put in there, without eating it. Only 1 lived peacefully with others.



And don't twist things Kevin, you didn't outright call us liars, you insinuated it with ash saying "I can tell stories too", and said something similar to me.

I found it rude and disrespectful when you insinuated that I was lying about my striata killing a dovii.

Who said boxing has anything to do with fish fights? I'm saying my motive for being interested in high end predatory fish, in a who beats who scenario, is the same as my interest in boxing. I love combat, I find it fascinating.

I like cichlids too, one of my favourite fish at the moment is my loisellei. It's a lovely fish with a nice temperament and very friendly.

Here is a crappy phone pic of the striata, sorry I don't have a digital camera.

Then there's the red, healing after being beaten up by that jardini, and his best friend the pbass. And finally the wolf I had that was a complete wuss.

[Timpon]

Oh man, I saw where this thread was going as soon as Kevin came on, hence tried to keep quiet and ignore it, even after being inferred to as a liar after telling my experience with my jardini/dovii; but this is getting a bit ridiculous.

Kevin, you've turn this discussion about what we think is the most toughest fish into a 'my fish is badder than yours, my d..k is bigger than yours, my daddy can beat your daddy etc.' Everyone was simply giving their opinions, and what they have experienced with fish keeping in the past. It makes you kind of look stupid that you came on and started accusing everyone of making up stories, and asking for video proof of what they are saying-WITHOUT PROVIDING ANY YOURSELF (There!! I can be just as childest as you are).

What possible reason could I have for making up that my jardini killed my dovii. It was not to say that my fish is tougher than yours, BECAUSE I OWNED BOTH FISH. In fact, I gave the opinion that the sh was the toughest, eventhough I have never owned one, but I have fished for them, and know someone who owned one.

And you will never see a video from me on my jardini killing my dovii because if I had been there, I would have separated them. Why on earth would I spend 4 years raising and looking after it to see it destroyed? In fact, I regreted losing that dovii more than any other fish I have ever lost. That jardini was sold straight away b/c I did not want to keep a single fish in my 240 gallon.

Don't take everything so personally. This site is here to enjoy our mutual love of fish keeping, not to slag off other people when they have different opinions. You obviously love your dovii, and think he is the biggest badass around, some of us have different opinions on how bad OUR doviis are (oops, I meant were).

Phew!! I am going to chillout and go fishing. Pity there's no doviis around here, I could of used a bit of a workout on my ultralight 2lb gear.

[stotty]

Oh man, I saw where this thread was going as soon as Kevin came on, hence tried to keep quiet and ignore it, even after being inferred to as a liar after telling my experience with my jardini/dovii; but this is getting a bit ridiculous.

Kevin, you've turn this discussion about what we think is the most toughest fish into a 'my fish is badder than yours, my d..k is bigger than yours, my daddy can beat your daddy etc.' Everyone was simply giving their opinions, and what they have experienced with fish keeping in the past. It makes you kind of look stupid that you came on and started accusing everyone of making up stories, and asking for video proof of what they are saying-WITHOUT PROVIDING ANY YOURSELF (There!! I can be just as childest as you are).

What possible reason could I have for making up that my jardini killed my dovii. It was not to say that my fish is tougher than yours, BECAUSE I OWNED BOTH FISH. In fact, I gave the opinion that the sh was the toughest, eventhough I have never owned one, but I have fished for them, and know someone who owned one.

And you will never see a video from me on my jardini killing my dovii because if I had been there, I would have separated them. Why on earth would I spend 4 years raising and looking after it to see it destroyed? In fact, I regreted losing that dovii more than any other fish I have ever lost. That jardini was sold straight away b/c I did not want to keep a single fish in my 240 gallon.

Don't take everything so personally. This site is here to enjoy our mutual love of fish keeping, not to slag off other people when they have different opinions. You obviously love your dovii, and think he is the biggest badass around, some of us have different opinions on how bad OUR doviis are (oops, I meant were).

Phew!! I am going to chillout and go fishing. Pity there's no doviis around here, I could of used a bit of a workout on my ultralight 2lb gear.

:ROFL: I want to go Dovii fishing with you! how about we use snakehead its top bate for Dovii:screwy: just flicking through this post the bulk of people who have owned Snakeheads know how dam right nasty they are. Kev you need to chill out there are at least 3 of use that have had Dovii and snakeheads and yes they are really cool tough fish but I don’t want to put my Dovii in a tank with a snakehead and video it having being mutilated to prove a point. If I wanted to do that I could go watch a bullfight /dog fight / cock fight etc. As for Wolf fish this was the only fish I have owned that I really was careful with it nearly had me a few times and wiped out a few tank mates but big red bit his whole back end off. This was the last fish he shared a tank with after that solitary confinement.

[rumblesushi]

Stotty - I used to stroke my wolf and he used to let me, my g/f is a witness :D

He was a surprisingly placid fish, never hurt anything but feeder fish. Do you have a pic of yours Paul? Mine was a brazilian mal.

[Timpon]

Stotty, if we're going to use sh as bait, you can be bait boy-my g/f likes my fingers just the way they are:naughty:

[stotty]

Stotty - I used to stroke my wolf and he used to let me, my g/f is a witness :D

He was a surprisingly placid fish, never hurt anything but feeder fish. Do you have a pic of yours Paul? Mine was a brazilian mal.


It was in the days before I had a digital camera. Might have one in the loft in the old school pictures will have a look if I fined it will post it up. I have had 2 and grown them on, well sold one, Red had the other one as a feeder:WHOA: . My one used play murder at night put a friend in the tank for him all day fine, evening fine, next morning CARNAGE! :naughty: Had an Oscar 3 times his size when he was a juvenile got up next morning the Oscar was cowering in the corner lumps out of it with the look of WTF was that on his face.

[stotty]

Stotty, if we're going to use sh as bait, you can be bait boy-my g/f likes my fingers just the way they are:naughty:


No you got it all wrong them snakeheads are pussies:ROFL:

[Timpon]

:ROFL:

You win stotty

[stotty]

You take the cake rummy, you call someone an ignoraumous and I'm the rude one. You are just a newbie to me I was keeping fish when you were in kindergarten. Go check how long I was on *********** this is a newer site. Why are you so paranoid that someone is calling you a liar? All I asked for is documentation. Where did I call anyone a liar? Only you have mentioned lying!
I respect the way Ashdavid posted and answered me and I can tell he doesn't glory in fish killing like you. So I respect that too.
Anyone with a background in behavorial science could spot your personality traits a mile away. As if boxing has anything to do with fish fights. Please spare us mature adults the baloney.
I will soon document for all my fish keeping abilities. As soon as I find my pictures to scan.

And if its Anecdotes you want,I had a 24 inch cobra snakehead who at 15 inches easily killed a 10-1/2 inch red. However he lived with a 10 inch red devil ,4 tinfoil barbs and a pacu, for years. The most he would do is once and awhile grab one by the face and spit him out. Why? because most S/H won't kill what they can't eat, and they were to big for him to swallow( the only exception might be a Red) Now on the other hand I have a 16 inch Dovii that lives alone since he murders anything put in his tank alive or dead. So you tell me who is tougher? Their is a big difference between a fish that murders other fish and one who just kills to eat.
And to differentiate us I do not experiment with puting fish in his tank "just to see who could live with him". Why because I am an experienced fishkeeper and know what would happen (even to your beloved snakeheads). Only a newbie wouldn't know or and unless he had a huge tank like Ashdavid.

Still waitng for the video mate!


Kev you said it I quote “the only exception might be a Red” it is a killer and is will kill as I said just as a territorial thing nothing to do with food. And I assure you I know of some one that put a catfish of 10 “ in with a 14” red as he turned his back there was an almighty splash he turned round to see a head floating still gasping for air I know this person very well as he is my father and he assured me in his then 30 years of fish keeping "there is no way that fish will eat that one." What I am trying to say is even an old timer gets it wrong some times. And is the red not a snakehead well that puts snakeheads at the top.

[rumblesushi]

;)

[guppy]

maybe

[croc 2-3]

Anyone had any experience with Hemichromis elongatus, heard for there size they are a true pound for pound warrior:)
yeah hemi. elongatus & hemi. fasciatus are both hitters I'll give them an honorable mention they can kill most fish their size i owned both. so are serralmus elongatus(never kept one yet lived vicariously through one my friend owned). But i've have to say that out of the fish I've owned I'd go for Asian red tail cats or any of the large mystus cats. could only keep with larger fish except a hemichromis fasciatus which they fought every day. the artc. beat up SH. I've never seen an aggressive ,to non slender fish,hoplias a heavy body fish usually wins. had a 6 inch convict drive a 9 inch hoplias out of the tank.

[kevin714]

Kev you said it I quote “the only exception might be a Red” it is a killer and is will kill as I said just as a territorial thing nothing to do with food. And I assure you I know of some one that put a catfish of 10 “ in with a 14” red as he turned his back there was an almighty splash he turned round to see a head floating still gasping for air I know this person very well as he is my father and he assured me in his then 30 years of fish keeping "there is no way that fish will eat that one." What I am trying to say is even an old timer gets it wrong some times. And is the red not a snakehead well that puts snakeheads at the top.


Huh? I said "MIGHT BE" that is not a definite admission that the red is on top. Where do you get this twisted logic from?:confused:

[kevin714]

yeah hemi. elongatus & hemi. fasciatus are both hitters I'll give them an honorable mention they can kill most fish their size i owned both. so are serralmus elongatus(never kept one yet lived vicariously through one my friend owned). But i've have to say that out of the fish I've owned I'd go for Asian red tail cats or any of the large mystus cats. could only keep with larger fish except a hemichromis fasciatus which they fought every day. the artc. beat up SH. I've never seen an aggressive ,to non slender fish,hoplias a heavy body fish usually wins. had a 6 inch convict drive a 9 inch hoplias out of the tank.


I agree asian red tail cats are extremly agressive. I had one make a Red snakehead commit suicide by jumping out of the tank. Granted the red was only 4inchs and the cat was 6. He chased him relentlessly until one day I came home and the S/h was dried out and dead on top of the tank.

[kevin714]

<<<<<How old are you Kevin? I'm 24, I've been keeping fish for long time, with a long break.>>>>>

I'm 41 so I nailed it once again. I was keeping fish when you and your mates were in kindergarten. But I knew that because of what you say and how you act in your posts you are very easy to profile.

Very nice fish and very respectful post though.

[kevin714]

Tampon you got it backwards and you just exposed your selve for all to see.

[kevin714]

No you got it all wrong them snakeheads are pussies:ROFL:



Nope just yours junior:ROFL: :screwy:

[Scottfree]

It would take a Dovii hours to kill a Red Snakehead of similar size, it would take a Red Snakehead one chomp to kill a Dovii. The comparison is ridicolous.....Dovii's do not get
30" either, I'll give you maybe 24" but that is even a stretch.....By the way this discussion is absurd, but yet fun..... I remember in grade school arguing that Godzilla would kick King Kong's ass, this is the same arguement....

[kevin714]

<<<<Phew!! I am going to chillout and go fishing. Pity there's no doviis around here, I could of used a bit of a workout on my ultralight 2lb gear.>>>>>

If thats the criteria for toughest fish you couldn't possible think a snakehead or Dovii would be the toughest do you?:screwy: You boys are so full of yourselfs your jumping all over the map. You think you are jumping on me but you are not even in my league.:ROFL:
If you want to go pound for pound toughest fish on a fishing line I'll take the smallmouth bass and the largemouth bass over a snakehead or Dovii. I'm a huge bass fisherman over here, do you guys have bass in England or Europe? Do I think they would win in a tank probably not except the smallmoth has a shot pound for pound with an equal size snakehead or dovii.

Shouldn't you kids be dating girls or something instead of spending all your time talking fish on the internet?:WHOA:

[kevin714]

:(<<<<It would take a Dovii hours to kill a Red Snakehead of similar size,>>>>

Definitly not true:(

[redtailfool]

<<<<Phew!! I am going to chillout and go fishing. Pity there's no doviis around here, I could of used a bit of a workout on my ultralight 2lb gear.>>>>>

If thats the criteria for toughest fish you couldn't possible think a snakehead or Dovii would be the toughest do you?:screwy: You boys are so full of yourselfs your jumping all over the map. You think you are jumping on me but you are not even in my league.:ROFL:
If you want to go pound for pound toughest fish on a fishing line I'll take the smallmouth bass and the largemouth bass over a snakehead or Dovii. I'm a huge bass fisherman over here, do you guys have bass in England or Europe? Do I think they would win in a tank probably not except the smallmoth has a shot pound for pound with an equal size snakehead or dovii.

Shouldn't you kids be dating girls or something instead of spending all your time talking fish on the internet?:WHOA:

You could participate in any mfk threads to your hearts content but please stick to the subject. Taunting and all that name calling will get you a time out here. There are other sites for that kind of behavior. Thanks for your understanding.

[mudskipper]

buck toothed tetra

[CAPOREGIME]

It would take a Dovii hours to kill a Red Snakehead of similar size, it would take a Red Snakehead one chomp to kill a Dovii. The comparison is ridicolous.....Dovii's do not get
30" either, I'll give you maybe 24" but that is even a stretch.....By the way this discussion is absurd, but yet fun..... I remember in grade school arguing that Godzilla would kick King Kong's ass, this is the same arguement....

King Kong would rock Godzilla...

[kevin714]

Got video:ROFL:

[kevin714]

<<<<<<By the way this discussion is absurd, but yet fun..... I remember in grade school arguing that Godzilla would kick King Kong's ass, this is the same arguement....>>>>>

I agree and I remember those arguments.

[rumblesushi]

Shouldn't you kids be dating girls or something instead of spending all your time talking fish on the internet?:WHOA:

Shouldn't you be out on your rocking chair enjoying the spring air and reading a newspaper rather than bickering on the net, gramps? :D

[fishnthings]

wow.. this thread got long.. not reading through all of it;)

[Timpon]

Hey rumble, I'm halfway between your age and gramps, does that mean I'm at the perfect age, in my prime so to speak?:D

[deangelo]

Queen triggerfish, or fahaka puffer. Their jaws are unmatched by anything other than piranhas, and unlike piranhas, they actually have the balls to use their dentition. They'd remove an opposing fish's jaws/flesh/organs like tree clippers remove fingers.



i agree those puffers are awesome chopping machines!!!!:D :D :D

[kevin714]

Shouldn't you be out on your rocking chair enjoying the spring air and reading a newspaper rather than bickering on the net, gramps? :D

How do you you know that I'm not. Ever heard of a lap top:WHOA: When your my age you may be able to afford one:D
I beleive we need to stay on topic though so may I say GOT VIDEO:ROFL:

[kevin714]

Hey rumble, I'm halfway between your age and gramps, does that mean I'm at the perfect age, in my prime so to speak?:D

:(Nope that just makes you sad:(

GOT VIDEO:ROFL:

[rumblesushi]

have you got a video kevin? Showing a dovii's brutality?

I already posted a brutal snakehead feeding video :D

And if you were rocking and reading a newspaper, you would not be bickering on the net. Old timers aren't the best at multi tasking. It's simple logistics.

I guess it's a near unanimous vote - channa KO 1 dovii :D

[Euge]

<<<<Phew!! I am going to chillout and go fishing. Pity there's no doviis around here, I could of used a bit of a workout on my ultralight 2lb gear.>>>>>

If thats the criteria for toughest fish you couldn't possible think a snakehead or Dovii would be the toughest do you?:screwy: You boys are so full of yourselfs your jumping all over the map. You think you are jumping on me but you are not even in my league.:ROFL:
If you want to go pound for pound toughest fish on a fishing line I'll take the smallmouth bass and the largemouth bass over a snakehead or Dovii. I'm a huge bass fisherman over here, do you guys have bass in England or Europe? Do I think they would win in a tank probably not except the smallmoth has a shot pound for pound with an equal size snakehead or dovii.

Shouldn't you kids be dating girls or something instead of spending all your time talking fish on the internet?:WHOA:

man you need to chill out. All he said was he wanted to go fishing and you attacked him back with i'm a better fisherman than ALL of you...

I think snakeheads are amazing predators. but then i've never owned a dovii. I'm going to look into it now tho coz they are beautiful fish..

[kevin714]

Video killed the radio star, and the internet star. I asked you first! I have seen a video I think its on the other site WW were a Dovii attacks a guys hand and he bleeds. Would that make you happy. At least its not a totally unfair fight like dropping that poor catfish into waitng snakeheads without giving him a chance. If I dropped one of those same snakeheads in my dovii tank he would be dead in minutes. Just because someone had a punk Dovii on here who couldn't finish off a S/H quickly does not mean they all are like that. I'm sure there are plenty of punk snakeheads out there.

And just for the record I love snakeheads and would have gotten many more had they not been banned over here. The only ironic thing about the bann is its too late they are reproducing in the potamic river in Virginia and will soon be in the Delaware river. We will be able to go out and fish for them. I predict they will not harm the eco system at all. But will be a great new sport fish.

[BOTR]

Payara's can be nasty when excited, but again I think the aggresion of other fish has them beat.

[stotty]

<<<<<How old are you Kevin? I'm 24, I've been keeping fish for long time, with a long break.>>>>>

I'm 41 so I nailed it once again. I was keeping fish when you and your mates were in kindergarten. But I knew that because of what you say and how you act in your posts you are very easy to profile.

Very nice fish and very respectful post though.



Eating fish at least once a week may keep you brainy in old age, new research suggests.

A study of about 4000 senior citizens of Chicago in the US showed that all of them lost some cognitive sharpness – such as memory and speed of thinking – as the years passed.

However, among those who ate fish once a week, the rate of cognitive decline was about 10% slower. And it was 13% slower among those who consumed at least two fish meals a week. The difference is the equivalent of being three to four years younger, say the researchers.



You better cook that Dovii up and get eating:grinyes:


"O" can you video it for me


I am just off to bed now 8.00pm well past my bed time:thumbsup: