PDA

View Full Version : Paratheraps fenestratus "Lago Catemaco"



flowerpower
03-12-2011, 8:31 AM
This is a wild pair of white fenestratus from Lake Catemaco, Mexico.
http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww65/RiteSedEd/IMAG4037.jpg
I was given the male by David (Nemesis) and the female by Ira (The Wish List). Not a fish I ever sought out to keep but definitely one I'm glad I have. I've seen so many stunning offspring from these wild Catemacos that I am now determined to raise a spawn for myself. Hopefully they give me one soon.

flowerpower
03-12-2011, 10:03 AM
A few more....
http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww65/RiteSedEd/IMAG4014.jpg
DCT, who collected and imported these fish, splits them according to which part of the lake they were collected from. The original pair what David gave me were 'gold flake'(?). The female was gorgeous but unfortunately, I lost her. The female that replaced her was collected from a different part of the lake. In the picture above It's easy to see some differences between the 'white east shore' female and the male 'gold flake'. Apparently the two populations of fish are isolated from one another due to volcanic activity within the lake.Interesting to say the least but they're still 'Catemacos' to me.
http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww65/RiteSedEd/IMAG4056.jpg
http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww65/RiteSedEd/IMAG4009.jpg
http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww65/RiteSedEd/IMAG4007.jpg
http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww65/RiteSedEd/IMAG4076.jpg

seel1990
03-12-2011, 10:08 AM
nice...

cavamart
03-12-2011, 10:19 AM
Nice white Fenestratus. I'm guessing there are the white strain and pink (piebald) varieties in Lake Catemaco?

fishluvr12
03-12-2011, 10:37 AM
Looking good!

flowerpower
03-12-2011, 10:46 AM
Idk, I've seen so many different looking specimens. The piebald fenes I've seen for years, these appear to be consistently white based with red/ orange blotches- peppered in black at times. They get the same black throats as other fenes, bifas, zonatum do when spawning.
I know some other people on here have (or had;)) some amazing specimens. Please, throw up some photos.

cavamart
03-12-2011, 11:26 AM
I missed your caption on the second post. So I guess there are three varieties or collection points in the lake. I'm missing the gold flake trait in the pictures. I'm sure it shows better in person. Is the lighter fene the east shore white and gold flake the specimen with the orange marking on the head? Where do the gold flakes show? Fins, body all over?

Mad About Cichlids
03-12-2011, 11:39 AM
Beautiful fishes.


How big are they? At what age and size do they start showing these colors?

flowerpower
03-12-2011, 11:43 AM
I've looked long and hard for a gold flake on the 'goldflake' and I haven't found one yet. Still looking though. All I can say is that there is a slight difference in color between this female and the female from the original pair. The other one had much more color and, if I'm not mistaken, the same red stripe lining the dorsal as the male.
I just don't get why one name indicates the shore from which the fish was caught white the other refers to a trait that is hardly, if at all, present on the fish. Kinda silly but oh well.

ira
03-12-2011, 12:37 PM
Here are some more pics of catemaco fenestratus.

Breeding pair white east shore
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=481562&thumb=1&d=1269657997 (http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=481562&d=1269657997)

Sp Catemaco "White East Shore"
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=481563&thumb=1&d=1269657997 (http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=481563&d=1269657997)

Sp Catemaco "White East Shore" Breeding Pair
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=481564&thumb=1&d=1269657997 (http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=481564&d=1269657997)

Pie Bald Fenestratus
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=481567&thumb=1&d=1269657997 (http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=481567&d=1269657997)
Ed this is the pair that David got so its great to see that the male looking so good.

http://i48.tinypic.com/2z5kjea.jpg (http://i48.tinypic.com/2z5kjea.jpg)catemaco3

This wild caught pair is stunning they look so much better in person.


http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo109/buddha1200/meet%20and%20greet/DSC01346.jpg (http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo109/buddha1200/meet%20and%20greet/DSC01346.jpg)

female catemaco
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo109/buddha1200/meet%20and%20greet/DSC01347.jpg (http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo109/buddha1200/meet%20and%20greet/DSC01347.jpg)

Nemesis
03-12-2011, 1:05 PM
Looking good Ed. Nice pics. New camera? They're not the most appealing fish out there, but there is just something about them that makes them so interesting.

flowerpower
03-12-2011, 7:34 PM
Beautiful fishes.
How big are they? At what age and size do they start showing these colors?
The male is something like 8", maybe a bit bigger. The female is an inch or two smaller. I don't know for sure when they peal. I think it goes a bit the same as it does with amphilophus. They start out with a grey body which peals to reveal varying degrees of white, red, yellow and orange.

Looking good Ed. Nice pics. New camera? They're not the most appealing fish out there, but there is just something about them that makes them so interesting.
I agree but after having these two active, bright-white fish in the tank, I couldn't imagine them not being in there. They have a huge presence.
As for the pictures, no new camera. Embarrassed to say that I'm still trying to squeeze diamonds out of diarrhea with my good old Android incredible. Lol.


nice...


Looking good!
Thank you guys!
And @ Ira, glad you posted those pics. They show the variant color patterns on these fish real well. I know there are some f1s out there that came out with tons of red and orange. It would be great to see some photos of those guys too!:D
Oh, BTW, anyone heard about an Australian line bread strain of fenes with another odd color mutation? Don't remember where I saw this but the looked kinda cool as well.

cavamart
03-12-2011, 7:50 PM
I saw those a few years back. They were kind of Dalmatian looking with black and orange blotching as I recall.

flowerpower
03-12-2011, 8:07 PM
Found it! 'Marbled' fenestratus line bred in Brisbane, Australia.
http://www.cichlidae.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=35937
http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww65/RiteSedEd/file.jpg
http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww65/RiteSedEd/attachment.jpg
Not for everyone but I could see someone having a whole lot of fun selectively breeding these guys for which ever color or trait they fancied. Like starting out with a blank canvas: More red? More orange? Pure white? Not a bad pet project at all.

buddha1200
03-12-2011, 10:16 PM
my f0 pair(gave them away recently,was spawning back to back,spawns to large to handle and none off my fish would eat the fry)
Loved the pair though,great fish to own.
594369

594370

594371

594372

594373

594374

594375

buddha1200
03-12-2011, 10:20 PM
this is one of their sons(currently 8 inches)at 10 months old.
594382

594383

594384

buddha1200
03-12-2011, 10:21 PM
btw he is still in my possesion.

flowerpower
03-12-2011, 11:27 PM
There you go John! I was wondering how long it would take you to come up on this thread.
That wild pair was really stunning but that little male :drool: incredible. A very special fish for sure. Was he a stand out fish from the beginning? I'd love to see some older pics if you got em.
My pair looks ready to spawn right now and if they do you know I'll be looking out for a specimen like that! Fat chance.:(
More pics anyone?
:popcorn:

buddha1200
03-13-2011, 10:55 AM
yea he stood out almost immediately,grew the fastest out of the fry and developed color the fastest.

Fishymike
03-15-2011, 4:00 PM
cool fish that I did not think much of until I saw a tankful at Ira's. I got a piebald pair from Ira and they spawned at 5"-6". Unfortunately, I moved the juveniles to a tank and the pH dropped way down and they did not make it before I knew what was going on. A friend has some of the young that I want to get back.
http://i56.tinypic.com/33x7fdf.jpg