HOW TO ELASTICATE YOUR POLE.

[DanDanUK]

Here's some great info i found for all you pole fishermen/women

HOW TO ELASTICATE YOUR POLE

http://www.maggotdrowning.com/pole/elasticating_a_pole.htm

[toxicfish]

What is the purpose of doing this? I don't understand

[DanDanUK]

Poles - all modern poles are designed to be fished with elastic running inside the top one, two or three sections. This elastic provides a shock absorber between the pole and a fighting fish. The pole elastic must be matched to the strength of the line and hooklink that you are using, and that should be matched to the size and species of fish that you are expecting to catch. To give you a couple of examples, from one extreme to the other, for roach fishing on a local canal we might use No 3 elastic to 1.5 lb B.S. rig line to a size 22 hook on 12 oz hook length. For fishing my local river Mole I use number 8 elastic, 3lb high tech rig line, and a 2lb high tech hook length. If fishing a local lake, where there is the possibility of hooking a large tench or small carp, I would tackle up with number 10 or 12 elastic, and a rig made entirely from 3lb high tech line. In each case its essential to match your line with the elastic being used.

Getting back to the actual poles, each pole is designed with a range of elastics in mind. A specialist canal pole would be designed for using elastics in the range of number 2 through number 6, whilst a specialist carp pole would be designed for elastics up to number 16 or even 20.

For our general purpose pole, we want something capable of handling elastics in the range 4 to 12. We are looking for a pole of at least 11 metres in length, 12.5 would be better, but they are more expensive. Luckily for us, most of the modern poles, even the cheaper models, perform well at lengths up to 11 metres. Once we start looking at longer ones, the cheaper models appear to take on the shape of a banana at long lengths. Expensive poles (many of them can cost over £2,000) are lighter, stiffer, and better balanced than their cheaper counterparts, allowing the angler to fish efficiently at 14 15 or 16 metres, but these are specialist tools, built for the top match anglers, and not of interest to us here.

[Zorro]

Thats cool and all but im not doing it. O well. But i was checking out that site and they have that fold up boat. Does any one have one of these cuz to me i think its a rock waiting to sink

[fishrmann2]

Glad I don't live in the UK! This would be a pain to do! I'll stick to my $300 St. Croix Legend Elite rod, with no "elastic" to absorb the feel of a bite! :)

[fballguy]

Thats cool and all but im not doing it. O well. But i was checking out that site and they have that fold up boat. Does any one have one of these cuz to me i think its a rock waiting to sink

You mean the porta-bote? I have the 12 foot model with a 5 HP Tohatsu and it is an excellent boat. It moves much faster than an aluminum boat of the same size because it gets on a plane so easy. And although the floor moves under your feet due to the bendability of the material, it is actually unsinkable. They say it will float even full of water, which I thought was a load of bull. Well this summer my brother and I were fishing it it and a jackhole water ski boat went too fast too close to us and swamped us. The boat went totally sideways and filled almost all the way with water, but it went upright and stayed above water the entire mile all the way back to shore. It took forever to get there too because a 5 HP moter is not meant to push that much weight. We made it though!

[DanDanUK]

Glad I don't live in the UK! This would be a pain to do! I'll stick to my $300 St. Croix Legend Elite rod, with no "elastic" to absorb the feel of a bite! :)

people tend to use the pole a lot in fishing matches because they can target a swim easier

[Zorro]

You mean the porta-bote? I have the 12 foot model with a 5 HP Tohatsu and it is an excellent boat. It moves much faster than an aluminum boat of the same size because it gets on a plane so easy. And although the floor moves under your feet due to the bendability of the material, it is actually unsinkable. They say it will float even full of water, which I thought was a load of bull. Well this summer my brother and I were fishing it it and a jackhole water ski boat went too fast too close to us and swamped us. The boat went totally sideways and filled almost all the way with water, but it went upright and stayed above water the entire mile all the way back to shore. It took forever to get there too because a 5 HP moter is not meant to push that much weight. We made it though!

Wow I would need to fish in one 1st. Ill stick with my all ready made boats.

[StiffMeister]

just a few comments on elastic in your pole.

First of all, the use of an internal bushes is better. in that story they mention more flexibility with externals, but (unless i misunderstand the context here) flexibility is something you dont want when you fish with elastic. The pole must be stiff for better use of the elastic. Back on the internals: if you use those, you will not have anby problems with you elastic rubbing against the carbon. You can understand that when you break the end of your pole to add the bush, the carbon isnt exactly flattened to so easily capable of destroying your elastic. When you use external bushes, this problem isnt solved while the use of internals does protect your elastic.
Furthermore, here they talk about using a saw to cut the pole for the bushes. I always jsu tput them on the table and hit it with my hand to break it. works very well and no splinters (at least with good poles). just make sure you have a good flattened surface area on the table and the corner of the table is straight, with no bumbs or the pole will break at multiple places.
just my 2 cents...

[gallagher_d]

Guys,

I apolagize upfront, but I am not understanding this elatic thing. First question, I think a metres is about 3 foot. If so, the poles would be as long as my house. Am I off here? Also, how and what are you fishing for? Then there is a cup on end f pole that I just can not figure out what it is for. Anyway, always looking to learn.

Thanks

David

[DanDanUK]

Hi David !

Many match anglers in the UK use poles to fish so they can target the one area easier ! poles are really long they can be any where up to 10metres long and come in metre long sections which you attach together the further out you want to fish the extra sections you add on to get it out further.

as for the cup on the end of the pole that is used to add ground bait in, all you do is get your pole to the area you want it and twist your pole slightly so that the ground bait falls out of the cup and into the area you want it.

Many mach fishermen use this method of fishing because it's fast and effective, i think the maximum size weight in fish you can have on the end of a pole would be around 20lb.

I'm not really a fan of pole fishing but there are many that are.

hope this helps you understand it more.

[guppy]

When I read the title of this thread myt first thought was Dan is SUCH a PERVERT, but then I realised, No, that would be me, lol.
I use ugly sticks, no other shock absorber required.

[fishrmann2]

UK fishing is totally different fishing that here in the states... They take carp fishing to the next level! lol

I on the otherhand shoot carp with my bow and arrow and put them in my garden! LOL

[StiffMeister]

sorry, but dont see the fun in that...

[fishrmann2]

They probably fight harder with an arrow through them then they do with a hook in their mouth! LOL

[DanDanUK]

sorry, but dont see the fun in that...

I agree i don't either i practice catch and release, if you catch a 20 lb carp one year imagin how big it's going to be in 2 years heading to 30lb and it keeps on growing, this then making it much more fun to catch and you'll definatly get more fight out of a 60lb carp with i hook in it's mouth than a 40lb carp with a bolt through it!

No not a fan of bow fishing not one bit !!!

[fishrmann2]

And thats fine... I don't expect you like to like it..:)

You guys over there think of carp as a game fish. But here in the states they are a rough fish and have a over abundence of them! They eat a lot of our game fish eggs, so the DNR has us control them by killing them...

[neoprodigy]

And thats fine... I don't expect you like to like it..:)

You guys over there think of carp as a game fish. But here in the states they are a rough fish and have a over abundence of them! They eat a lot of our game fish eggs, so the DNR has us control them by killing them...
nick, is bow fishing legal in all states?

[fishrmann2]

Thats a good question... I'm pretty sure more than half allow it. But the stricter states like CA.... probably don't.

My buddy takes a trip to TN every year to shoot gator gars. His biggest is 9 feet so far. They usually take about three or four arrows to bring in...! lol

[neoprodigy]

Thats a good question... I'm pretty sure more than half allow it. But the stricter states like CA.... probably don't.

My buddy takes a trip to TN every year to shoot gator gars. His biggest is 9 feet so far. They usually take about three or four arrows to bring in...! lol
yeah... i dont see bow fishing equipment around here....wow 9 footer?

[fishrmann2]

Ya, I've seen some shot close to 12 feet! :naughty:

This a pretty good site for the equipment! :) http://www.amsbowfishing.com/

[stotty]

I like to think I understand fishing and I like to think I understand shooting I do both as I do both but I don’t understand bow I understand Americans think Carp are scum but I hat seeing things like this that Gar has taken years to get to that size the sport you could have had with him on rod and line would be great and he would live to fight again and reproduce. People don’t even eat them it’s a trophy shot and dog food very sad in my eyes.:cry:

All gar species reproduce very slowly. If you're not going to eat them, return them to the water. Y'all have to remember that the large fish are the breeding stock killing them serves no purpose.

[fishrmann2]

Some people eat it....

Ok, this post is gonna get ugly so I'll stop now. Let's just say to each his own! :)

[Jesse]

When I read the title of this thread myt first thought was Dan is SUCH a PERVERT, but then I realised, No, that would be me, lol.
I admittedly thought something similar, more like: "Why would someone want to elasticate their pole? It seems like all the ED medications out there like Viagra, Levitra, etc., are trying to do the opposite." :confused:

[guppy]

Carp are a problem fish in a great number of US waters, they sometimes even have a bounty on them, last time I got a large carp it was with a 12 guage shotgun. In the river near where I live it is illegal to return them to the river if you catch one.

[guppy]

I eat gar but have only caught smaller ones, 3-4'. I don't think I could kill a monster like that big one.
California does allow bowfishing for nongamefish species such as sacramento pikeminnows and carp.

[DanDanUK]

Carp are a problem fish in a great number of US waters, they sometimes even have a bounty on them, last time I got a large carp it was with a 12 guage shotgun. In the river near where I live it is illegal to return them to the river if you catch one.

there a problem every where because they breed is such large numbers and are pure eating machines, but we here in the uk have managed to control it to a degree by building fisherys which house's these fish then they in turn are controled naturally by adding predatorys into the fisherys such as pike, zander, perch and catfish !

[bombay_biorb]

its an european thing i think dandan

[yogifish808]

geeze im glad surf fishing isnt so complex and expensive I've seen the "Match Fishing" rods a few times over here and according to the owners they were about $800-1.5k US. I use 12' H-XH fast-taper rods w/ Penn 9500ss's loaded with 50-65lb powerpro. Just throw out a live/cut bait stick it in a rock/sand spike rod holder and wait for the strike.

[ercnan]

Carp are a problem fish in a great number of US waters, they sometimes even have a bounty on them, last time I got a large carp it was with a 12 guage shotgun. In the river near where I live it is illegal to return them to the river if you catch one.
Big heads and silvers especially.
Here, you can actually get fined by the DNR for NOT killing one of these fish.
The silvers have a habit (and I've had it happen to me this year) of jumping 6-10 feet out of the water when spooked by an outboard.
The one one that hit me in the shoulder and landed in the boat was only about 4 lbs, but still scared the hell out me.
Folks have been hurt (reportedly) pretty bad from them.
DNR states any fish (big heads or silvers) caught by any means must be immediately killed and left out of the water.
They would really like to be contacted as well about the catch so they can track the movements of them.
Since they are filter feeders, grow like mad, and get large, they are up setting the very basic food chain rungs at the bottom. Zooplankton, Phytoplankton, etc. Things every fish and aquatic animal needs to feed on at some stage of life.

I even read an article recently where they are spending millions to re-vamp an elctric barrier to keep them from getting into the Great Lakes from the Miss. river system.

[AKblue]

Northern Pike IIRC is the only species in AK that can be taken by a bow. It is also unlawfull to release a NP anywhere in AK.

I fly fish, so I dont think elesticating my rods would help much, unless Im missing something.

[Knuckles1]

Hello everyone
Im new to the forums and thought I'd add to this topic.

Many of the gars taken in the states are not just left for dead after being taken. Guided gar fishing and bowfishing trips do not waste the meat. They collect and sell is beause it is considered a delicacy in many cultures. As for myself, I think gar tastes just as good as bass. The fillets are white meat that is not tough or oily, and there are numerous recipes out there. The hardest part is cleaning; but, sheet metal shears make this part easy. I would take a 10 lb gar to the table any day compared to 10 white bass. They taste equally great, and I would rather clean one fish rather than 10.

[Knuckles1]

wow I was typing so fast I forgot to spellcheck
many typos
is there an edit option?

[GetInMahBellay]

Lol here in America to tell if a carp is biting we sometimes put a bobber on some slack line in between the top two eyes of the pole so if a fish bites you can tell if the fish bites while keeping your bait at the bottom.

[bassman440]

ive never heard of that one.

[FisHaRNekEd]

just read this whole thing, and am still clueless on the elasticating ??? anyone have a pic of one of these 10-12 meter poles? do they have a reel on them, or just tied line to the end like a bamboo pole when you were a kid...?

how could you cast a pole that long? or even use an artificial bait? or control the pole with a fish on the other end that far away???