Un-Conventional Feeders :The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

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Un-Conventional Feeders :The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

We are all ]v[onster Fishkeepers right? So its safe to assume that at some point in out fishkeeping experience we’ve fed our ]v[onsters feeders. Either because they wouldn’t accept anything else, or for the joy of the hunt, or many other reasons. But chances are that those feeders were either rosy reds, goldfish, guppies, or even insects. But what about the other sometimes unthinkable feeders. I mean frogs, lizards, mice, crustaceans, turtles and anything else that comes to mind. In order to better understand why a hobbyist would consider these creatures as food for their pet fish, one must recognize the benefits, and down sides from an unbiased and sometimes, in-human standpoint.
So why feed a fish any kind of feeder? Here’s my opinion: Many fish, such as peacock bass and datnoids, are notoriously hard to get onto prepared food. Often refusing to switch over. Meaning they can only be fed feeders, which doesn’t allow much room for variety. That’s when unconventional feeders come into play. Using frogs, turtles, lizards, crayfish and perhaps even mice as supplements for a diet consisting on healthy feeder fish as a staple allows a vast variety of different proteins, vitamins and minerals. Though still not even close to the variety of items the fish would consume in the wild, it is better than one kind of feeder that may or may not contain the essential vitamins and minerals that a fish needs to thrive.
Even if your fish accept non-live food, adding a variety of live items can still be very beneficial. Animals should be allowed to be animals, in my humble opinion, and depriving a predatory ]v[onster Fish of the prey and a means to predate, is in my view heart-wrenching. Ya, I feed my fish the usual slew of prepared foods: Shrimp, squid, bloodworms, frozen silversides, and of course, a high quality flake/pellet food. But in addition I provide my fish with several different prey items, from African clawed frogs, to guppies, nightcrawlers, crickets, and eventually pinky mice. I believe that to deprive an animal on outlet for its natural instincts is horribly wrong. I always feel ashamed when I see my precious ]v[onsters stoop to eating pellets, though I recognize it as a necessity and necessary evil in our great hobby. Also, I highly doubt there is any turtle proteins in Hikari’s pellets. This being said, feeding even a fish that readily accepts prepared items a few unconventional feeders on occasion most defiantly benefits them.
And there’s of course the concern of the feeders possibility to harm the fish its intended to be fed to. I see this as a non issue. My response to this is always: “Why on earth would you feed your fish something potentially harmful!?!?!?!”. If the fish in question may even remotely have any trouble handling the unconventional feeder, why on earth would you consider feeding it to them! Its common sense, and im sad to say, there is definitely a lack of it in our hobby. I also seem to get a lot of “Too much mammal/reptile/amphibian fats and other indigestible materials is bad for the fish”. This is true, however, too much are the key terms there. In moderation the benefits out way the negative effects. That being said, I would not feed my fish more than 1 or 2 unconventional feeders each, monthly, or even bi-monthly.
And of course, some ignorant fool always has to bring in ethics. I myself prefer to keep ethics out of fishkeeping entirely, it just doesn’t belong. Riddle me this, what is ethical about keeping a huge fish in a glass box, huh? Also, regardless of ethics, if something benefits my fish im gonna do it for them, I don’t care who tells me otherwise.
For me, I think of the title of ]v[onster Fishkeeper, as to not only applying to the fish we keep, but the attitude with which we keep them. Out title implies that we go to lengths and expenses for out fish that other, garden variety fish keepers would never even consider. To me that means fish first, everything else second. I myself, just opted to purchase a Polypterus Ansorgii over my first car. Everything I do is fish, fishing, fish keeping, and my goal for education is a marine biology degree. Trust me, if there were feeder ducks available, id be feeding my gar them.

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i decided to write this in response to the many questions about all the unconverntioal feeders out there.

i also decided to include my feeding regimine for those who care to know:

Every Day:

7 Hikari Carnivore Pellets per fish
3 cubes of San Franscico Bay Brand Frozen Blood Worms

Alternating Daily, dpending on what they are in the mood for:

Frozen Silversides
or
Frozen Market Shimp
or
3 more cubes of blooworms
or
3 cubes of Frozen Squid
or
fast

Monthly:
3 dozen feeder fish
1 dozen feeder frogs
 
Interesting point of view.
 
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My O gets unconventional feeders whenever I can grab one...
Green Anoles, various frogs, crayfish and dragonflies.

This is in addition to my rotating menu of conventional treats, nightcrawlers, mealworms and crickets.
Mainstay of diet is a mix of various pellet/stick/wafer foods.
 
Howdy,

Besides the obvious "can it harm my fish", there are three more aspects to consider:

1) is it humane? I personally draw the line right above fish. Anything with a higher developed central nervous system is out. Anything that cannot be eaten with a couple of bites (i.e. large feeder fish chased and taken apart by a school of RBPs over the course of minutes) is out as well.

2) how much does it actually contribute to the health and well-being of my /\/\onster? Many of the reptile/amphibian but especially mammalian proteins are actually harder to digest than that of fish and invertebrates. Even if it gets broken down, the resulting animo acids are not the right mix needed for fish. Furthermore, connective tissues as typical for higher developed vertebrates are of low to no nutritional value for fish.

Therefore, I disagree with the statement that

feeding a fish [...] a few unconventional feeders on occasion most defiantly benefits them.

It may not hurt them to eat an occasional mouse or frog. /\/\onsters are opportunistic eaters. Sure, they won't pass on a mouse that crosses their waters in the wild. And they can eat and digest it, but that does not mean it is a healthy snack. Just because it happens in nature does not mean is is the very best for your fish. We all eat crap that does not benefit us ...
Furthermore, think about availability in nature. Mostly, it's a seasonal snack. Frogs will be most abundant within a few weeks of spawning season. But for the rest of the year, they will not significantly contribute to a wild /\/\onster's diet.

3) Environmental compatibility. In the age of the global amphibian decline and destruction of wetlands, we need to be 200% sure that what we feed it farm-bred. Anything else (like collecting your own frogs in the wild) is simply wrong and a shame to our hobby. We enjoy nature in our tanks, so we must respect it outdoors as well.

My wolf will never get anything that violates these statements...

HarleyK
 
I agree with gmanrocks...

I was busy typing a response to Harley's post above, but then I realized that it was pointless as everyone's entitled to their own opinions and it's usually difficult to change someone's opinions about anything ... especially something as sensitive as this.

So I'm gonna continue feeding my fish insects, amphibians and possibly even reptiles and mammals in the future because that is my choice. Thanks to the OP for "coming out" with this and I think it's gonna be an interesting discussion.

Keep it clean guys! :D



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If any anyone wants to feed their fish what they naturally eat all the time in the wild, I think that's fine, though some fish eat very expensive breeds however :D

Do the research and go for it. There is nothing wrong with feeding your fish their natural food source.

That's reality folks.

However, if you are feeding them some wacky live foods they they rarely or never eat in the wild, then you may want to rethink that, IMHO.

Let's face facts, most people who feed mice to their fish do it for FUN, they love to see the mouse get massacred, it is not because they actually care about their fish eating healthy. For them it's entertainment. Don't believe me, just read some message boards and check out youtube.

That's reality folks.
 
I have given my fish live feeders, but only as a treat. My needle would only eat guppies so I got him guppies. I never knew what my datnoid ate until I saw him ate and then I could tailor his diet accordingly. My archers love crickets, but will inhale krill because I don't have space for live crickets all the time. My mollies pops out some feeders every once in a while and I have lots of frozen food in my freezer. My puffers love hunting snails, crays, and ghost shrimp but will eat frozen stuff too. Variety is what is key, but I'm not going to feed something like a turtle or a mouse because the turtle would suffer a lot of pain and so would the mouse. I have a scat, and he's a vegan, so I can just make him a salad when he is hungry. :headbang2
 
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