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boredcpl
08-18-2005, 11:55 PM
i am looking for a shark for my 105 gal tank.. i am looking for a bamboo shark or a small species of shark that will tolerate being in that small of a tank.. my tank is bmore box shaped than rectangle so a small shark should be happy..
dialphantom
08-19-2005, 12:07 AM
email sharkaquairium.com
NeonTetraFan
08-19-2005, 12:52 AM
If you really want I shark, I'd recommend at least 150 gallons at the bare minimum. Also, check out http://www.liveaquaria.com - They have some good prices.
sandtiger
08-19-2005, 12:57 AM
Didn't you already ask this question on another thread?
boredcpl
08-19-2005, 12:59 AM
yep on the into thread
I suggested that this was a better forum than the intro one.
sandtiger
08-19-2005, 8:24 PM
Oh, couldn't you have just moved the page? Or does MFK not have that ability?
It does, I could have, but since he was fairly new here I thought that having him do it would help make him aware of which forums are best for which threads. Just moving it might not have done that'
I have never kept a shark ,I have known a couple of people who did. even bamboo and cat sharks need a lot of room and the #s that were suggested to me were that the tank should be at least 1 1/2 times as wide as the adult fish is long and 3 times as long so for a cat shark your looking at a minimum of 4'x10' and that is shaving it some.
boredcpl
08-20-2005, 2:29 PM
someone told me that a tiger shark will only grow as big as the tank will let him... is that true?
NeonTetraFan
08-20-2005, 2:54 PM
A "Tiger Shark" is a deep water shark that grows to approximatly 10 feet long or larger. It needs at least 250,000 gallons at the bare minimum. No saltwater shark grows to the size of it's tank.
boredcpl
08-20-2005, 2:59 PM
i didnt think so.. wait till i talk to that guy again.
NeonTetraFan
08-20-2005, 3:55 PM
If you want to know what a Tiger Shark looks like, do a Google Image search for Tiger Shark.
hyphen
08-20-2005, 7:39 PM
someone told me that a tiger shark will only grow as big as the tank will let him... is that true?
neontetrafan is right. tiger sharks get friggin huge and can't be kept in home aquariums, it's near impossible.
http://www.kidzone.ws/sharks/photos/tiger1.jpg
and having a fish only grow to what the tank size is, when it naturally grows larger is called growth stunting and is unethical as well as unhealthy for the fish. that causes premature deaths faster with saltwater creatures than freshwater.
NeonTetraFan
08-20-2005, 7:48 PM
The teeth in my hand in my avatar are teeth from the above shark, the Tiger Shark.
Looks like better in your hand than in your leg.
NeonTetraFan
08-20-2005, 9:43 PM
lol, most definatly.
Zoodiver
08-29-2005, 6:46 PM
Yeah, Tigers aren't even being kept succefully in public aquariums at this point, let alone a home tank. Chances are someone has just used the wrong name.
Most cat sharks or bamboo sharks are fairly easy to keep up with. I've raised several white spot bamboo at my house.
sandtiger
08-29-2005, 8:14 PM
Tigers sharks have been kept captive my friend.
http://homepage.mac.com/mollet/Gc/Gc_captive.html
philc21
08-30-2005, 10:01 PM
If you want to hatch an egg from the bamboo cat shark you can get one through my work. we can order one for you if your really serious about it i think they go for about 30$. so if your really serious about it pm me or just stop by reef encounter on hudson st in hackensack and we can get one for ya.
boredcpl
08-30-2005, 10:12 PM
If you want to hatch an egg from the bamboo cat shark you can get one through my work. we can order one for you if your really serious about it i think they go for about 30$. so if your really serious about it pm me or just stop by reef encounter on hudson st in hackensack and we can get one for ya.
how much would it be to ship to lawrenceburg,IN 47025
Zoodiver
08-31-2005, 6:03 PM
Tigers sharks have been kept captive my friend.
http://homepage.mac.com/mollet/Gc/Gc_captive.html
Yes, but look at the length of time they were kept. Atlantis was 2.5 years, and they run an open system. Other than that, I'd hardly call those succesful. Kind of similar to MBA just releasing that juv. white shark. Not what I'd call keeping an animal l well. More like prolonging death, getting the hint that they weren't doing it right, then kicking it out the door just to say it didn't die in their hands.
Fish Finder
09-04-2005, 2:38 PM
i would have a little fun with this and get a shark egg and a skate egg and grow them from there. (i think i just gave myself a new project)
boredcpl
09-07-2005, 2:50 AM
im afraid to get an egg because there is no guarinte..
sandtiger
09-07-2005, 2:02 PM
Yes, but look at the length of time they were kept. Atlantis was 2.5 years, and they run an open system. Other than that, I'd hardly call those succesful. Kind of similar to MBA just releasing that juv. white shark. Not what I'd call keeping an animal l well. More like prolonging death, getting the hint that they weren't doing it right, then kicking it out the door just to say it didn't die in their hands.
There is one on there who has been captive for 6 years.
608004
05-15-2007, 5:34 PM
YOUR TANK IS TOO SMALL
chrisdef15
05-15-2007, 8:38 PM
Yeah why is this even still being discussed. Your tank it waaaay to small. Even if you get an egg within 6 months your gonna need a new tank. Dont waste your money and put the shark through it. Save up and get a new tank first.
krj-1168
05-15-2007, 10:56 PM
Ok - allow to answer a few question - although most have been answered.
First off - 105-150 gallons - is too small to how any "aquarium' shark for it's life. The smallest "aquarium" sharks require at least a 225 gallon tank(coral cats), as bare minimum.
Also if your truely serious about getting a pet shark. Do your research(and alot of it), talk to people who keep them on web forums like this one, & read books on Shark/ray husbandary. Buy the way - this process will likely take several months- at least.
After a while - you'll come to learn that many LFS salespeople spit out alot of meanless BS (unless your luck enough to find a good educated LFS). Some routely misname the sharks - which add to confusion by novices.
Note: No novice SW fish keeper should ever attempt to keep a shark or ray - Very Bad Move.
And sharks & rays are - only to be kept by those who are experienced marine fish keepers.
BtW - Tiger sharks are illegal to out side of major public Aquariums.
BIGgourami
05-16-2007, 10:22 AM
it wasn't still being discussed if you look at the last post it was almost 2 years ago.
why do you think the mods were still "new" to MFK?
Zoodiver
05-16-2007, 10:42 AM
Why are we talking about a thread from 2005?
VLDesign
05-16-2007, 4:06 PM
No living creature on earth only grows to the size of it's environment.
For a 105 gallon tank there are no sharks available that you can buy that will work in that tank. You can get a coral cat shark if you have a tank that is at least 6'x2'x2'. Mine are in that now and will soon be moved to a new 6'x3'x2' tank. These sharkes are the smallest availble for sale measuring in at 24" average.
VLDesign
05-16-2007, 4:07 PM
Oops just noticed the dates.. lol Hate when that happens
krj-1168
05-17-2007, 12:28 AM
Don't feel bad - your not the only one that noticed, after they posted.
2 years old - I would have thought this topic would have been archived already?
chrisdef15
05-17-2007, 2:53 AM
it wasn't still being discussed if you look at the last post it was almost 2 years ago.
why do you think the mods were still "new" to MFK?
HAHAHA good point BG i didnt even notice that. I just saw the guy above me had just replied i didnt notice the other where 2 years old.
native_barra
05-17-2007, 4:20 AM
dude for a tank that small just get a couple black sharks, theyre quite attractive and are active at night and arnt bad to watch.... other than that maybe go to something like a long finned pleco or simmilar.
krj-1168
05-17-2007, 2:45 PM
dude for a tank that small just get a couple black sharks, theyre quite attractive and are active at night and arnt bad to watch.... other than that maybe go to something like a long finned pleco or simmilar.
Dude, the problem is we're not talking little FW Bala "Sharks". If we were - there would be no problems.
But what we're talking about is Real SW Sharks. Which is why there's a problem with the tank size.
Nabbig2
06-22-2007, 10:02 PM
A "Tiger Shark" is a deep water shark that grows to approximatly 10 feet long or larger. It needs at least 250,000 gallons at the bare minimum. No saltwater shark grows to the size of it's tank.
Lol seriously :ROFL:
608004
08-01-2007, 10:28 PM
your tanks to small
BIGgourami
08-02-2007, 5:04 AM
DROP IT!!!!
ski's_reef
08-19-2007, 5:46 PM
Just FYI I have seen Coral Cats (Atelomycterus sp.) sold under the common name of tiger shark. I assume it was because of its pattern. One more reason we should use scientific names instead of common names.
Ski
krj-1168
08-19-2007, 6:38 PM
Coral Catsharks (Atelomycterus marmoratus) - Still need a tank that's at least 225 gallons (6' long x 2.5' wide x 2' deep), as they can grow to be about 27-28" long.
ski's_reef
08-23-2007, 4:43 PM
I know that I was just putting that out there because it would be really easy for a beginner to get confused because of common names. I wasnt justifying anything or siding with anybody. I was just saying that maybe thats why the said they heard "tiger sharks" stay small. Sorry........
Ski
krj-1168
08-24-2007, 2:09 AM
Yeah
The problem is a usually a beginner's first introduction to "aquarium" Sharks in thru their LFS. And LFS are noted for not using the correct common name - and never use the Scientific name.
Still Here's few of the more common "aquarium" sharks found in LFS for those beginners out there
Banded Cat Shark - AKA Brown-banded Bamboo (Chiloscyllium punctatum)
Marbled Bamboo - AKA White-spotted Bamboo (Chiloscyllium plagiosum)
Caribbean Sand Shark - AKA Gray Bamboo (Chiloscyllium griseum) - and yes I've actually heard of someone who bought it from a LFS under that name. Which is funny because - it's neither a Caribbean species nor a "sand" shark.
Zebra Shark - AKA Indonesian Bamboo (Chiloscyllium hasselti) - not to be confused with the real Zebra Shark (Stegostoma).
Tiger Shark - AKA Coral Catshark (Atelomycterus marmoratus) - again not to be confused with the real Tiger Shark.
ski's_reef
08-24-2007, 1:40 PM
I have also seen a coral cat sold at an lfsunder the name "zebra shark".
Ski
Zoodiver
08-24-2007, 4:22 PM
The irony of that is I've been looking for a REAL zebra shark for two months and can't find one- Haha
Brenden
08-24-2007, 9:38 PM
Matt - I remember seeing a Zebra Shark for sale about 2 months ago. I think the going rate was $1,500 not sure. I can double check and let you know if I find anything.
cooldude123
08-24-2007, 9:46 PM
tha'd be kinda funny buying a small tiger shar and putting it in like a ten gallon expecting it to stay small... feel sry for the person who trys that!
krj-1168
08-24-2007, 11:10 PM
Matt - I remember seeing a Zebra Shark for sale about 2 months ago. I think the going rate was $1,500 not sure. I can double check and let you know if I find anything.
Brenden, I haven't seen a price on real Zebra Sharks that low in over a year. In fact I haven't seen any price on a real Zebra Shark in about a year.
Zoodiver
08-25-2007, 11:55 AM
Hey, if anyone can find a good size Steg, let me know. I have a big check book for this one.
sharkdealer
08-25-2007, 10:16 PM
Matt,
I'll do some checking on Zebras if you're interested. They were hard to come by this year. I only got my hands on one and he went to a guy in NY. I can see if that guy is interested in selling him to you. If not, I'll keep my eyes open for another opportunity. What is the minimum and max. length you can accept?
sharkdealer
08-25-2007, 10:18 PM
tha'd be kinda funny buying a small tiger shar and putting it in like a ten gallon expecting it to stay small... feel sry for the person who trys that!
__________________
In truth you can put a small tiger shark in a ten gallon tank and it will stay small. It will die within a very short time and thus the growing process will cease! So much for all of you naysayers.
krj-1168
08-25-2007, 11:45 PM
Yeah - a true Tiger shark neonate likely wouldn't even fit in a 10 gallon aquarium.
Zoodiver
08-26-2007, 8:03 AM
Matt,
I'll do some checking on Zebras if you're interested. They were hard to come by this year. I only got my hands on one and he went to a guy in NY. I can see if that guy is interested in selling him to you. If not, I'll keep my eyes open for another opportunity. What is the minimum and max. length you can accept?
I'm looking for a bigger one. Something at least 3 feet or more would be nice, but at this point I'm open to anything. I've got a 6,000 plus gallon quaratine tank and it will end up in an 84,000 gallon display - so I can be very accomidating to size.
philliptobin
08-26-2007, 9:28 PM
how much would it be to ship to lawrenceburg,IN 47025
If you get up north towards Gary, Aquascapes in Hobart sells Tank bred shark eggs for about $20 each. Their corals are fairly cheap as well.
catjohnson
09-01-2007, 7:44 PM
what would be a good filter system for a bamboo
alcohologist
09-03-2007, 9:38 AM
i'm in singapore, but three days ago i saw a neonate shark that i can only identify as zebra. yes, Stegostoma fasciatum. but it was about 4 inches. is this a correct ID?
Zoodiver
09-03-2007, 10:28 AM
That seems small, but if that is true, confirm it for me and see what it would take to ship it to the US! I've been looking for one.
krj-1168
09-04-2007, 1:40 AM
i'm in singapore, but three days ago i saw a neonate shark that i can only identify as zebra. yes, Stegostoma fasciatum. but it was about 4 inches. is this a correct ID?
Agree with Matt. That seems very small.
Since everything I've read suggests that Zebra pups are born at about 8-10" in length.
At 4" - my guess would be it's a Zebra or Indonesian Bamboo (Chiloscyllium hasselti). Which is sometimes misidentified as the Zebra Shark (Stegostoma fasciatum). But naturally it's hard to be certain without an actual good photo of the pup.
alcohologist
09-05-2007, 4:31 AM
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h17/alcohologist/CopyofP8310198.jpg
someone also asked a similar question on wet web media: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/sharkidfaq.htm
looks like the same species to me.
also, i might be wrong about the size, but don't think it's eight inches... also probably going down this thursday.
oh, and they were selling it for about 40 singapore dollars. heh.
the assistant i asked wasn't even aware of a shark pup being in stock... told me it was probably some sort of bamboo.
I get Bamboo sharks here in the states for $50.00 heh.
Zoodiver
09-05-2007, 12:03 PM
We've got a small pup like the one pictured. Looks like an indonesian bamboo shark.
alcohologist
09-05-2007, 10:46 PM
gah.
well, thanks.
does anyone have a caresheet or something for the indonesian bamboo? i can't find anything about them online.
max size, diet, ...?
krj-1168
09-05-2007, 10:54 PM
Yep - That's definitely - Chiloscyllium hasselti.
Which gets to about 24" in length. They tend to be hardier to keep alive than the more other common species of bamboos - like Brown-banded, white-spotted & grays.
Generally there isn't much info on this species online. But there's one site that does have a "Caresheet" for this species - see my link below.
As for what Matt's looking for is this.
http://img17.imagevenue.com/loc668/th_47085_Zebra_juvie-viewpic-10_122_668lo.jpg (http://img17.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=47085_Zebra_juvie-viewpic-10_122_668lo.jpg) http://img102.imagevenue.com/loc678/th_47090_zebrapic_122_678lo.jpg (http://img102.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=47090_zebrapic_122_678lo.jpg)
The Zebra Shark - Stegostoma varium/fasciatum
Zoodiver
09-06-2007, 9:22 AM
Which gets to about 24" in length. They tend to be hardier to keep alive than the more other common species of bamboos - like Brown-banded, white-spotted & grays.
True, we had a heck of a time when we first started with them. We had one right now. He'll eat small sized krill and thawed mysis. But it took forever for him to eat. Ours is a slow grower when you compare him to a white spot, but he's twice the length now - only a few months later.
alcohologist
09-07-2007, 8:03 AM
two feet huh...
it a better choice, over coral cats?
i'm setting up a marine pond, indoors- dimensions around 6' by 4' by 2'- that would be suitable, yes?
alcohologist
09-07-2007, 8:13 AM
They tend to be hardier to keep alive than the more other common species of bamboos - like Brown-banded, white-spotted & grays.
Generally there isn't much info on this species online. But there's one site that does have a "Caresheet" for this species - see my link below.
did you mean harder?
and, i can't seem to find anything on sharkandray central.
Zoodiver
09-07-2007, 9:53 AM
There isn't much info out there on them. I did a search trying to find stuff when we first got our collection of them. I couldn't even find an aquarium/zoo that had them.
krj-1168
09-07-2007, 8:18 PM
did you mean harder?
and, i can't seem to find anything on sharkandray central.
Opps - may bad. Yes - I meant the Indonesian Bamboos are harder to keep alive than the other Bamboos & the coral cats.
And yes - it's listed in Shark & Ray Central's species profiles section.
alcohologist
09-08-2007, 7:20 AM
oh, on page two... haha my bad.
mach_six
09-08-2007, 8:14 AM
I just wonder if people can get on the internet forums to post a question like this why can't people use Google and type in some words and hit search...:nilly: It's not like you can't get instant gratification with a search as oppose to waiting for an answer...
A quick search will tell you that the sharks you listed grows to 40"~ and 150G would be more suitable.
krj-1168
09-08-2007, 10:28 PM
I just wonder if people can get on the internet forums to post a question like this why can't people use Google and type in some words and hit search... It's not like you can't get instant gratification with a search as oppose to waiting for an answer...
A quick search will tell you that the sharks you listed grows to 40"~ and 150G would be more suitable.
Why because - it's always better to get the information from some that actually knows. And any that says you can keep a 40" long shark in a 150 gallon tank - is WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Much of the online info about the minimum tank sizes need for keeping sharks in Home Aquariums that you find online - is so wrong - often quoted from inaccurate sources.
It really much better to get the information directly from people on online Aquatic forums (like MFK) that have either kept or talked to people who have kept these species. Ask anyone who's kept or seen photos/video of 36" long bamboo shark in 240/300 gallon tank - if these tanks are suitable for keeping this shark for life. Your basic answer - is NO WAY!!! - These tanks are too small to keep a shark of that size.
Zoodiver
09-09-2007, 8:45 AM
I agree. You can find ten versions of almost anything on the web. It's best to get infor from people who have been there / done that first hand.