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Chad55
01-01-2007, 7:59 PM
Ok I want to do my pond with no seams. I was looking at freshwaterstingrays pond and I am going to kind of base it off that except it wont look as nice...lol. I just want to go with the paint that he used to seal it because it looks so good with no seams. I was just wondering what is the best stuff to use for this without spending hundreds of dollars? The pond will be 8x8x2.5-3. I found some stuff and was wondering if it would work? Thanks

http://aquanet.net/paint.htm?gclid=CL-t4pbCwIkCFS7OJAodLw7tUQ

Chad

eh1421
01-01-2007, 8:02 PM
here you go bro
http://www.aquaticeco.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/product.detail/iid/11733/cid/3035

this is what i used

mike

milkman407
01-01-2007, 8:05 PM
this is for a pond? so it will be holding water? Why not just use the black pond tarp?

MilitantPotato
01-01-2007, 8:06 PM
Sanitred products are loads easier to apply and won't crack on ya. Epoxy with fiber glass+resin is tried and true, either way if done right will work for ya.

johnptc
01-01-2007, 8:10 PM
i vote for a product called pond shield......google it



Ok I want to do my pond with no seams. I was looking at freshwaterstingrays pond and I am going to kind of base it off that except it wont look as nice...lol. I just want to go with the paint that he used to seal it because it looks so good with no seams. I was just wondering what is the best stuff to use for this without spending hundreds of dollars? The pond will be 8x8x2.5-3. I found some stuff and was wondering if it would work? Thanks

http://aquanet.net/paint.htm?gclid=CL-t4pbCwIkCFS7OJAodLw7tUQ

Chad

Chad55
01-01-2007, 9:10 PM
That pond shield stuff looks tough to install and a bit expensive... It looks nice and all but just a bit too complicated for me... And how easy is the Epoxy Paints by Sweetwater... How easy is that to apply/install? And what would you use to fill the seams? Also which of the sanitred products would I want to use if I were to go that route?

Chad

wizzin
01-02-2007, 12:09 PM
Also which of the sanitred products would I want to use if I were to go that route?

Chad

You'll use Permaflex and LRB/TAV. For that size, you'll need 1 gal of each. Should be about $250 including shipping. They have a pool calculator on their site under "how-to". Just go with the smallest pool size they have. It will give you 1 gal each. I don't recall the exact coverage per gal, but it's pretty good.

Oh, and tell them you want the 10% discount if you submit pics. All you have to do is take pictures of the install and send them a form that they'll email you if you ask ;)

MilitantPotato
01-02-2007, 12:14 PM
Epoxy paints on top of fiberglass and resin (need fiberglass+resin or the paint WILL crack/puncture from the slightest impact or bowing of plywood under water weight) is a pain so I've read, sanding between each layer, rolling the fiber glass out smooth, no bubbles, all over 3-6 layers of the stuff I hear gets old.

Roliva did a tank using sanitred, documented it very well, here's his post in a thread I had a while back.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=557003&postcount=13

Here's that thread:
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42109

Next to using dryloc (lasts 5 years if you're lucky,not meant for wood or constant submersion) sanitred could be the easiest route, plus it has a life time warranty that it will never fail, should outlast the plywood ya use to build the tank.

I'll be using this stuff in april/may when I build my 7x4x24" tank.

Chad55
01-02-2007, 2:17 PM
So that sanitred will run me about $250 just to seal the pond? Is there anything wrong with the Epoxy Paints by Sweetwater? They seem to be easier and quiet a bit cheaper than everything else...

Chad

wizzin
01-02-2007, 3:58 PM
So that sanitred will run me about $250 just to seal the pond? Is there anything wrong with the Epoxy Paints by Sweetwater? They seem to be easier and quiet a bit cheaper than everything else...

Chad

I don't think theres anything wrong with epoxy paint, but I personally wouldn't rely on it as the sole means of waterproofing. What I mean by that is that it assumes you have a perfect box. What if you have seams and gaps and knot holes etc? I don't think you can just glob on the paint and hope it holds. I looked at that too, but it seems too good to be true. I'd use it on an outdoor pond as a liner, but not in my house. Have you called them and explained what you're intending on doing? That's what I would do.

wizzin
01-02-2007, 4:05 PM
ok, strike that. I just called for you. For concrete, you'd need to use a sealer first. That is $120.00 per gal and covers 180sq.ft. So, for example, in my case it would be $240 for the sealer and another $50 for the paint. For you, and plywood, you'll need to seal the plywood first. They recommend fiberglass. Then you paint the fiberglass. So you're looking at a LOT more than the $50 paint. It's just fish safe paint...

eh1421
01-02-2007, 6:02 PM
use the epoxy paint thats what i did
but make sure you get some fiberglass resin and glass matte for all the seams and if any knotholes
this is by far the cheapest route and it is rock solid if done right

my tank has been holding for a year by doing this exact same thing

mike

wizzin
01-02-2007, 7:31 PM
use the epoxy paint thats what i did
but make sure you get some fiberglass resin and glass matte for all the seams and if any knotholes
this is by far the cheapest route and it is rock solid if done right

my tank has been holding for a year by doing this exact same thing

mike

I'm sure it works great, and it is cheaper, but work has to be factored in too? Just figure, you need 30 yards of 38" mat at 1.65 per yard, that's $49.00, plus resin at we'll say $30 a gallon, assuming you'd need 2 gallons, which I doubt, then factor paint at about $58 per gallon. Say 1 gallon of paint covers, you're at about $167.00 in materials before shipping (say $200 total). Now think about the application. You need to sand/prepare the plywood, apply the stinkin, messy, smelly fiberglass mat/resin, sand the everloving nonsense (I used to build fiberglass race cars, I know) out of the fiberglass to get it down smooth, then apply the paint. All of which is nasty smelling/toxic stuff. You need to have the doors all open and about 30 box fans blowing the fumes out so you don't get brain damage.

Now let's think about something like sanitred. For another $50, you get a product that you smear in the cracks and paint on 2 coats like latex paint. Done! It's a no brainer as far as I'm concerned. IMHO...

ewurm
01-02-2007, 7:37 PM
I had to...

rallysman
01-02-2007, 8:05 PM
Wurm. You never cease to amaze me LOL

milkman407
01-02-2007, 8:42 PM
:ROFL:

wizzin
01-02-2007, 9:06 PM
:nilly: :nilly: :nilly: :nilly:

mbutzer
01-03-2007, 10:41 AM
Sanitred products are loads easier to apply and won't crack on ya.

Can sanitred be applied indoors without special ventialtion? Like in my basement?

wizzin
01-03-2007, 11:03 AM
Can sanitred be applied indoors without special ventialtion? Like in my basement?

Yes. from their site:


Non-hazardous, non-toxic, solvent free, low VOC, and low odor

and


PermaFlex is an anti-corrosion & waterproofing coating that can be used either indoors or outdoors.


LRB is a low odor & solvent free waterproofing membrane that can be used either indoors or outdoors.


TAV is a thick, blue colored, inert, odor-free, paste-like additive

tech data here:

http://www.sanitred.com/permatechdata.htm

http://www.sanitred.com/tavdisc.htm

http://www.sanitred.com/lrbtechnicaldata.htm