ATTENTION ALL MFKERS!!!

[DeLgAdO]

ATTENTION MFK MEMBERS!!!

i need help from you much experienced people,

right now after i did my 50% water change, i noticed some of my fish came down with ICH one of my loaches is scratching the hell out of himself and my balas have it too.

I showed my dad, and he said"well i guess their gunna now, cause i aint buying the medicine" he also said i told to you, you do too big of a water change and you do it every week and you dont have chemipures in the filter, and thats why they get sick"

50% EVERY WEEK IS GUNNA GET MY FISH SICK?!?!?!.

He gave proposed a deal. . . he said my tank was an EYE SORE, and he told me he'll buy me the medicine if i put all the original gravel and plants back in the tank, (HE THINK THE SAND HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THEM BEING SICK!!!! :swear: ) so it can look the way HE wants it.

**** NO!!! im not gunna turn my god damn tank into something that pleases him!!! it to please he and keep my fish healthier with no decorations clotting with **** and obstructing swimming space, if i had a better filteration system and a bigger tank, then ya i would do it just cause i have more room for decorations, but all that extra **** is just gunna collect waste and make maintanence harder.

i can buy medicine right now with the last 15 in my pocket, but so frustrate and pissed i could cry :cry:

im suspecting it was my bichir, since he is the newest addition. everytime i get a fish my tank always comes down with something two weeks later, it happened when i got my FH and my severum, am i right, or am i missing something, my dads almost got me brainwashed and i not sure of anything anymore.

please help me!!!!! oh yea, for you fella that "speak your mind" :devil:, you can say something to him and i will show him what you read HAHAHA!!!

ALL opinion and suggestions are welcome

[Vitaliy]

Raise the temp and go grab some aquarium salt if you dont have any yet! That is all you need. :)

50% should not cause Ich, I know many members do over 75% weekly without any problems.

[DeLgAdO]

Raise the temp and go grab some aquarium salt if you dont have any yet! That is all you need. :)

do i give the ol one tablespoon, per 5 gallons???

and for how long?

[Vitaliy]

I visited websites and read articles on treating Ich in generic freshwater fish, food fish, guppies, loaches, and African rift lake cichlids to name a few. I encountered dosage recommendations ranging from about 1.75 tablespoons to 6 tablespoons salt per 5 gallons of water. One rift lake cichlid importer/breeder uses “1 handful” of salt per 5 gallons of water. I concluded that my fish can probably tolerate more salt than I think, at least on a short-term basis. Based on everything that I’ve read to date, I would feel comfortable adding 2-3 tablespoons salt per 5 gallons if I were also using the high temperature treatment outlined above. If I were using salt alone, I would work my way up to 4-5 tablespoons per 5 gallons. We don’t want to skimp on our treatment if we hope to permanently eliminate this pest. Salt should be added slowly over the course of 24-48 hours or so (always dissolve in a small container of tank water first). Keep a close eye on your fish and perform an immediate water change if they show any additional signs of stress (beyond what the Ich is already causing).
Check out this article http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/ich.php it just about covers everything. :)

[Vitaliy]

Also sorry for being a pain in the ass but we got a "Fish Disease and Health" forum. And naming your topic something like "Need ICH Help ASAP" would be nice too. ;)

[Oddball]

As stated above...Non-iodized salt and temp to 84F should do the trick. If you decided to use meds, don't use anything with copper as that will burn your loaches. Treat for a week after all the spots disappear to kill off any newly germinating spores in your substrate. Good luck and keep us posted.

[DeLgAdO]

Also sorry for being a pain in the ass but we got a "Fish Disease and Health" forum. And naming your topic something like "Need ICH Help ASAP" would be nice too. ;)

yea i kind of thought that, but i decided not and said awww **** it :)

thanks for the help vitaliy :D

[DeLgAdO]

As stated above...Non-iodized salt and temp to 84F should do the trick. If you decided to use meds, don't use anything with copper as that will burn your loaches. Treat for a week after all the spots disappear to kill off any newly germinating spores in your substrate. Good luck and keep us posted.

just came back from my lfs with some aquariumpharm rock salt, and I found my heater :D

[sleepyflight]

1 per 5 and don't be afraid to get the temp to 85 or 86...thats sure fire and it's never hurt my fish. It accelerates the cycle of Ich and they can't surevive off the fish when they fall, which normally they would continue they're cycle but not above 84, thats why I say go to 85....to be sure.

Personally I think gravel of some sort is a good thing and it doesn't make cleaning it harder but to you dad: Removing that stuff won't cause ICH!! The cycle might see a partial dip when you change filter cartridges or soemthing with no substrate or environmental/decor pieces but not disease. Most guys go well into the 50% range and much greater and it won't hurt them a bit.

[shoefreak03]

just do what others have adviced and keep the tank the way you like it since you are taking care of it...

good luck...

[M|L]

I just use regular table salt, which is much cheap and readily available (without running to the petstore). No negative effects at all. I think it's an old wives tale that iodized salt is bad for fish.

Ick is about the easiest disease/parasite to treat, I can't believe you're freaking out over it LOL no offense.

Tell your Dad he doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Stella]

I've always heard that there is so little iodine in table salt that you would literally pickle your fish before the iodine became a problem. I've used table salt without incident.

Laura

[DeLgAdO]

MY ****ING HEATER DOSENT WORK!!!!!!

oh well,

im ordering one right now, 300 watt stainless heater baby! :D

going fed Ex next day too :)

going to dose salt right now


damn man, i just got my decals on today too :(

[Oddball]

I listed the non-iodized salt because I do not advocate the indiscriminate use of any chemical or element. You're correct in stating there will probably be no ill effects in the use of iodized table salt. However, if there becomes a toxicity situation with iodine the effects are detrimental to the fish. Iodine toxicity causes goiter or enlarged thyroid. In this condition the normal hormone production in the thyroid is thrown off balance and can change the behavior of the fish. Other organs that can be affected by an increase in iodine include the liver, kidneys, and the intestinal lining. Problems such as these will most likely not occur. But, why subject the fish's already stressed system with something else that can cause metabolic stress? Just my 2 cents.

[zhuangsw]

does ur place water have clorine and cloromine in the water? do get some anti-clorine and add them whenever you do water changes, its necessary.

then for the time being, ya like what they said, add some salt and get a heater. put it to about 28 degrees.

[DeLgAdO]

a part of that article vitaliy send me was intersting

says that if the ich parasite is not present in the tank, then the fish cannot get the parasite even if the fish has a weakened immune system, and under stress


looks like someone in my tank had a dormant parasite, and the strees to one of the fish triggered it and caused it to spread amongs the others.

not sure who it was.the carrier, maybe the bichir??

[DeLgAdO]

does ur place water have clorine and cloromine in the water? do get some anti-clorine and add them whenever you do water changes, its necessary.

then for the time being, ya like what they said, add some salt and get a heater. put it to about 28 degrees.

ok ill set it to 28 degrees farenheit :grinno:

j/k i know you meant celsius :D

[zhuangsw]

imo, all tank water has bacteria.. be it itch or others. but a healthy fish with strong immune system would not fall to those bacteria.

its only when they get stress or like when suddenly they get sudden shock to a different water enviroment (like changing lots of water at a shot, without putting in any anti-clorine.)

so you gotta be more careful next time..

[DeLgAdO]

imo, all tank water has bacteria.. be it itch or others. but a healthy fish with strong immune system would not fall to those bacteria.

its only when they get stress or like when suddenly they get sudden shock to a different water enviroment (like changing lots of water at a shot, without putting in any anti-clorine.)

so you gotta be more careful next time..

i always add declorinator to my water. better t obe safe than sorry :)

[Oddball]

Hey DeLgAdO, did you know that S.D. county uses chloramines instead of just chlorine? You'll need to use a dechlor for both chlorine and chloramine.

[Oddball]

a part of that article vitaliy send me was intersting

says that if the ich parasite is not present in the tank, then the fish cannot get the parasite even if the fish has a weakened immune system, and under stress


Scripps did an article back in the early 80s which detailed the organisms present in southern CA drinking water. Ich spores was on the list. So, just doing a simple water change will reintroduce ich to any tank. Keeping a properly heated and healthy environment for your fish will keep their immune systems capable of fighting off outbreaks of the disease.

[thamunsta]

GOD DAM im so bloody happy i have well water to run off of :)

[M|L]

I listed the non-iodized salt because I do not advocate the indiscriminate use of any chemical or element. You're correct in stating there will probably be no ill effects in the use of iodized table salt. However, if there becomes a toxicity situation with iodine the effects are detrimental to the fish. Iodine toxicity causes goiter or enlarged thyroid. In this condition the normal hormone production in the thyroid is thrown off balance and can change the behavior of the fish. Other organs that can be affected by an increase in iodine include the liver, kidneys, and the intestinal lining. Problems such as these will most likely not occur. But, why subject the fish's already stressed system with something else that can cause metabolic stress? Just my 2 cents.

the only thing table salt has done to my fish is reduced stress and heal from ick, fungus, etc.

like I said, I've used table salt for years on all different sort of fish.

I'm not a crazy scientist who'll examine exactly what are the effects of iodine on fish, all I know is I've used it and it has produced no negative effects on my fishes.

[sohfatfish]

refer to this thread around post number 10 http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47302

It basically states that iodised salt will not cause any harm and that it is a myth. Just make sure that the salt that you are using does not have any silica gel in it and it would be fine.

[guppy]

Another way to measure your salt is 2 teaspoons per gallon and leave it in there for 10 days with the tank at 85 degrees farenheit, I think that sometimes otherwise healthy fish can some times carry a hidden parasite or 2 under scales or inside gill covers but have never had ich show up without having introduced a new plant, fish, or feeder. Any thing that stresses a fish can reduce it's ability to fight off disease even if only by thinning it's slime coat.

[DeLgAdO]

Hey DeLgAdO, did you know that S.D. county uses chloramines instead of just chlorine? You'll need to use a dechlor for both chlorine and chloramine.


thats why I worship this :grinyes:

[DeLgAdO]

Scripps did an article back in the early 80s which detailed the organisms present in southern CA drinking water. Ich spores was on the list. So, just doing a simple water change will reintroduce ich to any tank. Keeping a properly heated and healthy environment for your fish will keep their immune systems capable of fighting off outbreaks of the disease.

dosent the chlorine and chlorimines kill the ich spores???

might have to go to 25% water changes a week then :(

[DeLgAdO]

refer to this thread around post number 10 http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47302

It basically states that iodised salt will not cause any harm and that it is a myth. Just make sure that the salt that you are using does not have any silica gel in it and it would be fine.

looks like this thread is also debating about table salt, LOL!

[Miles]

You're Dad is a fool.

[DeLgAdO]

You're Dad is a fool.

:iagree: :lol3:

[orlok]

When you do your water changes (especially large ones) make sure the new water going in is the same temperature as the old water in the tank.

I use a common aquarium thermometer when I use my python or buckets for just this reason.

A sudden change in water temperature is usually the cause. Especially a sudden drop in temperature. It compromises the fish's immune system. So make sure you have a reliable heater.

Oh yeah...

Tell your dad to get his own tank! ;)

[DeLgAdO]

When you do your water changes (especially large ones) make sure the new water going in is the same temperature as the old water in the tank.

I use a common aquarium thermometer when I use my python or buckets for just this reason.

A sudden change in water temperature is usually the cause. Especially a sudden drop in temperature. It compromises the fish's immune system. So make sure you have a reliable heater.

Oh yeah...

Tell your dad to get his own tank! ;)

I could start using water from the sink to fill my tank, i have the option of heated water :grinyes:, oh but theirs a water softener ( ion exchange unit) conected t o the house plumbing, will this cause any problems????

haha, he SHOULD ge this own tank and leave me alone :)

or he should listen to me, you guys, help me out and enjoy it with me :)

[Hasi]

No point in trying to change your dad's thoughts it just doesn't happen they are too stubborn and think they know everything!

Just learn to say YES to everything and go on doing whatever YOU wanted to do anyway... works a treat! :D

[orlok]

It shouldn't effect it.

You're pretty lucky, I have crappy city water.

[DeLgAdO]

It shouldn't effect it.

You're pretty lucky, I have crappy city water.

thanks :)

[orlok]

Hasi, how's your water down there?

[DeLgAdO]

this is bull****, i think i need to re- design my set up and care & maintanence techniques,

too many flaws and draw backs here.

[Stella]

But, why subject the fish's already stressed system with something else that can cause metabolic stress? Just my 2 cents.

Good points all. If we were talking about using lots of salt (like for a brackish tank) or sensitive fish (like some catfish and puffers), I would be sticking with marine or epsom salt myself.

Laura

[Oddball]

Straight salt sodium chloride is what we're advocating here for treating his ich problem. I don't recommend marine salt mix since these contain pH buffers that will change his tank's pH. Also, epsom salt is magnesium sulfate so, I wouldn't use it to treat this infection.

Hey Ming and sohfatfish: I'm familiar with the articles on iodized salt on quite a few of the fish forums. I'm also familiar with reports I've read on iodine toxicity in domesticated animals. It's all information to help another hobbyist. THAT'S why I mention it. Don't denounce it just because you don't agree with it. If you don't like opinions from hobbyists that prefer to research as much as possible to improve the hobby, just let me know and I'll go elsewhere.

[DeLgAdO]

Straight salt sodium chloride is what we're advocating here for treating his ich problem. I don't recommend marine salt mix since these contain pH buffers that will change his tank's pH. Also, epsom salt is magnesium sulfate so, I wouldn't use it to treat this infection.

Hey Ming and sohfatfish: I'm familiar with the articles on iodized salt on quite a few of the fish forums. I'm also familiar with reports I've read on iodine toxicity in domesticated animals. It's all information to help another hobbyist. THAT'S why I mention it. Don't denounce it just because you don't agree with it. If you don't like opinions from hobbyists that prefer to research as much as possible to improve the hobby, just let me know and I'll go elsewhere.


DAMMIT PEOPLE STOP ARGUEING ABOUT SALT!!!
i didnt use table salt anyway.

so there. . .

[Hasi]

Hasi, how's your water down there?


Tap water pH is at bout 7.3 and contains chlorine and chloramine. My family has since moved to bottled water as the chlorine taste has gotten stronger lately so i dose a little more then usual.

[DeLgAdO]

Tap water pH is at bout 7.3 and contains chlorine and chloramine. My family has since moved to bottled water as the chlorine taste has gotten stronger lately so i dose a little more then usual.

We use R.O united and bottled water for drinking

[Miles]

Dang it, I wasn't going to get into this thread..

I once read, If you drink too much R.O. water it can dehydrate you, and even kill you. It is so purified, it has a natural chemical make-up that makes it actually 'suck-in' the minerals from your body. I don't know how true this is.

Salt + Heat = No Ick.

You can use pretty much any salt, just don't use Marine salt.

You guys can bicker over the salt issue all you wan't. Theres scientific reports and I too have ready many of the 'salt' studies on aquarium fish. It's nothing to fuss over. I buy 50lbs of Water Softening salt at Wal-mart for $6/bag.

Soo.. We are done with the salt issue.

If you do water changes with cold water, your asking for Ich.

However, if you keep your python submersed during water changes, toxic gasses can build up from the pressure of the tap water, and that will also give your fish ich really easy.

I had always done %50 water change every week, and one day my community tank broke out with a very serious case of ich. After one water change, my entire tank was lined with tiny micro-bubbles, which then led to ich. This was the pressure in the tap that I was talking about. Make sure the Python is above the water level, so it can create a 'gas exchange' before the new water enters the tank.

Temprature swings can also cause ich. Get yourself a heater, as most of your fish would prefer 80-83 degrees. The new polypterus you added most likely was harboring the ich virus, in a dormant stage. Once it was put into it's new environment, any levels of stress could of caused the ich to manifest itself.

Tropical fish can take an increase in temprature with little to no problem at all, but when a fish is put into a new environment where the temp is constantly 2-5 degrees lower than what it is used to, it can also cause problems. The polypterus you purchased may have been used to a nicely heated tank, then when added to your tank that is cooler, it became stressed and the ich parasite began to become more abundant.

Ich is also heat sensative, and temprature can increase/decrease the metabolism of the parasite. So the cooler your tank is, the longer the ich parasite will stay 'dormant' in that environment, which means when stress levels become higher, the parasite will show itself. That is why you always treat with salt and heat for 7 days afterwards. There are some great articles on how ich's reproductive cycle works, and how to stop it from reproducing, and I believe they were already linked in this thread..

As far as your setup Delago, things seem fine. Keep on with your water changes, just keep the python above water level and watch out for those huge temp swings. With a heavy bio-load always over-filtrate your tanks, and keep your filters clean and free of detritus. Dirty filters can cause nitrate explosions and lead to a quick outbreak.


You're Dad is a fool as far as the too big of water change situation, as it is obviously clear that he dosn't know what hes talking about. Tell him he is going to live in a room and his fecal matter can not be removed from that room except for once a month. On that day, once a month, he can only remove 1/3rd of his fecal matter. Now, tell me, Do you think living in conditions like this could possibly lead to disease or infection?

Just my 2 cents ;)

Miles

[turtall]

Hey, DeL. I used to work in Chula Vista back in '86. Worked for a couple of dialysis clinics,the other was in IB. My job was working on the machines and doing reuse cycling on the filters. I began each shift with extensive water and air tests, and I can tell you SD water can get freaky. Just be glad that you don't get your water from the Tijuana River!
Before that job I worked at Brunswick Technetics in Solana Beach. We made filters, and my job was QA. We had a huge RO system and there's nothing wrong with RO. In fact with complete RO there's nothing at all, so you should supplement your diet with minerals if that's all you drink. A water softener is fine, too; your going to raise your ph with salt anyway. I agree w/ everyone here pretty much, you don't want to stress your fish with radical temperature changes and possibly harmful meds, 'specially loaches. True: stress is what makes them susceptible to ich and other stuff.
Also, it sounds like your dad has you pretty stressed , so it might be a good idea to check yourself....:grinyes:
Good luck.

[DeLgAdO]

Dang it, I wasn't going to get into this thread..

I once read, If you drink too much R.O. water it can dehydrate you, and even kill you. It is so purified, it has a natural chemical make-up that makes it actually 'suck-in' the minerals from your body. I don't know how true this is.

Salt + Heat = No Ick.

You can use pretty much any salt, just don't use Marine salt.

You guys can bicker over the salt issue all you wan't. Theres scientific reports and I too have ready many of the 'salt' studies on aquarium fish. It's nothing to fuss over. I buy 50lbs of Water Softening salt at Wal-mart for $6/bag.

Soo.. We are done with the salt issue.

If you do water changes with cold water, your asking for Ich.

However, if you keep your python submersed during water changes, toxic gasses can build up from the pressure of the tap water, and that will also give your fish ich really easy.

I had always done %50 water change every week, and one day my community tank broke out with a very serious case of ich. After one water change, my entire tank was lined with tiny micro-bubbles, which then led to ich. This was the pressure in the tap that I was talking about. Make sure the Python is above the water level, so it can create a 'gas exchange' before the new water enters the tank.

Temprature swings can also cause ich. Get yourself a heater, as most of your fish would prefer 80-83 degrees. The new polypterus you added most likely was harboring the ich virus, in a dormant stage. Once it was put into it's new environment, any levels of stress could of caused the ich to manifest itself.

Tropical fish can take an increase in temprature with little to no problem at all, but when a fish is put into a new environment where the temp is constantly 2-5 degrees lower than what it is used to, it can also cause problems. The polypterus you purchased may have been used to a nicely heated tank, then when added to your tank that is cooler, it became stressed and the ich parasite began to become more abundant.

Ich is also heat sensative, and temprature can increase/decrease the metabolism of the parasite. So the cooler your tank is, the longer the ich parasite will stay 'dormant' in that environment, which means when stress levels become higher, the parasite will show itself. That is why you always treat with salt and heat for 7 days afterwards. There are some great articles on how ich's reproductive cycle works, and how to stop it from reproducing, and I believe they were already linked in this thread..

As far as your setup Delago, things seem fine. Keep on with your water changes, just keep the python above water level and watch out for those huge temp swings. With a heavy bio-load always over-filtrate your tanks, and keep your filters clean and free of detritus. Dirty filters can cause nitrate explosions and lead to a quick outbreak.


You're Dad is a fool as far as the too big of water change situation, as it is obviously clear that he dosn't know what hes talking about. Tell him he is going to live in a room and his fecal matter can not be removed from that room except for once a month. On that day, once a month, he can only remove 1/3rd of his fecal matter. Now, tell me, Do you think living in conditions like this could possibly lead to disease or infection?

Just my 2 cents ;)

Miles

MILES IS THE MAN!!! :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap

Im gunna start using my sink faucet to fill my tank, gunna use the warm water, its getting cooler now and eventually the waters gunna be ice cold, dun worry python will stay above water level :thumbsup:

ill be using my heater 365 days a year now :D , i feel like the fool :(

i like 83 degrees as my prefered temp, that is. . . after i treat the ich, hehe.

i keep my filter in tip top shape just to let you know :thumbsup:

[DeLgAdO]

Hey, DeL. I used to work in Chula Vista back in '86. Worked for a couple of dialysis clinics,the other was in IB. My job was working on the machines and doing reuse cycling on the filters. I began each shift with extensive water and air tests, and I can tell you SD water can get freaky. Just be glad that you don't get your water from the Tijuana River!
Before that job I worked at Brunswick Technetics in Solana Beach. We made filters, and my job was QA. We had a huge RO system and there's nothing wrong with RO. In fact with complete RO there's nothing at all, so you should supplement your diet with minerals if that's all you drink. A water softener is fine, too; your going to raise your ph with salt anyway. I agree w/ everyone here pretty much, you don't want to stress your fish with radical temperature changes and possibly harmful meds, 'specially loaches. True: stress is what makes them susceptible to ich and other stuff.
Also, it sounds like your dad has you pretty stressed , so it might be a good idea to check yourself....:grinyes:
Good luck.

damit mile and turtall! LOL!! i dont only drink r.o water, i drink milk, soda(ocasionally) and various 100% fruit juices, LOL! i even take mult vitamins :D

yes he does have me ripping my hair out :grinyes: j/k

stressed i am though

TJ'S HOMO!!! :)

we have a water softener to our house water supplie so it helps our laundry and hard water problems

[Serygo]

Can we have an update?
This is quite interesting in my opinion....

[DeLgAdO]

Can we have an update?
This is quite interesting in my opinion....


well, i added about 64oz of salt ( once tablespoon at a time) to my tanks, its about 2 tblspns per 5 gal, and i ordered 2x 300 watt visitherm heaters, they will be hear in about 2-4 days ( eh i ditched the stainless steel, visiterms are more accurate anyways)

luckily my fish are still eating whic his good :D

[seighten]

hey, hasi... i am a dad, and just for the record, we do know everything..!!! haha, joking... in the future just be a little more careful of whose toes ya are steppin on, ok..?!

[DeLgAdO]

ILL CRUSH HIS TOES AND FEED THEM TO MY FISH!! :naughty: , wut my dad was saying is absolute bull**** :swear:

[cabouta1]

When you do your water changes (especially large ones) make sure the new water going in is the same temperature as the old water in the tank.

I use a common aquarium thermometer when I use my python or buckets for just this reason.

A sudden change in water temperature is usually the cause. Especially a sudden drop in temperature. It compromises the fish's immune system. So make sure you have a reliable heater.

Oh yeah...

Tell your dad to get his own tank! ;) great point. I always make sure to check temp. before adding water. I'm just wondering if your loaches were the first to show signs of ich. Had similar experience, lost all my 5" loaches this to ich, all 5 of them.

[DeLgAdO]

great point. I always make sure to check temp. before adding water. I'm just wondering if your loaches were the first to show signs of ich. Had similar experience, lost all my 5" loaches this to ich, all 5 of them.

i saw it in my balas and loaches at the same time

[cuban jey]

from my experience balas ALWAYS catch ick for some odd reason

[cabouta1]

no kidding, only one i ever had also died of ich , one of my first fish.

[DeLgAdO]

my only got ich thats casue i introduced some new fish that carried it

[Hasi]

hey, hasi... i am a dad, and just for the record, we do know everything..!!! haha, joking... in the future just be a little more careful of whose toes ya are steppin on, ok..?!


I know many MFK members and admins are dad's themselves and im not saying that dad's are all the same as i will be one one day aswell BUT dad's do tend to have a stubborn mind and think they know everything...

I'm 21 and still get told what to do and how to do it all the time, dont get me wrong i LOVE my dad and will ALWAYS respect him and he has brought me up to be who i am now but all of us have to do things for ourself sooner or later....

Didn't mean to offend any dad's out there, if i did i apologise...

ANYWAYS LETS GET BACK TO FISH!

[repair]

I know many MFK members and admins are dad's themselves and im not saying that dad's are all the same as i will be one one day aswell BUT dad's do tend to have a stubborn mind and think they know everything...

I'm 21 and still get told what to do and how to do it all the time, dont get me wrong i LOVE my dad and will ALWAYS respect him and he has brought me up to be who i am now but all of us have to do things for ourself sooner or later....

Didn't mean to offend any dad's out there, if i did i apologise...

ANYWAYS LETS GET BACK TO FISH!

You didn't, all of the dads know other dads that aren't worth the dynomite to blow them up. :ROFL: Glad to see you cutting yours some slack... often parents are under pressures that you won't know untill you are one.

I missed this post or I would have told him to forget the meds and try salt. Use one cup per 30gal and raise the heat to low 80's

[repair]

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[DeLgAdO]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!

my dad got them rid ich :swear: !!!!!

damn medicine, oh well ive used it before with out problem

said fish looked bad, esecially the loaches,

damit!!!

heaters are on the way :thumbsup:

[Miles]

Rid-Ich is more detrimental to your tank than Salt..

It's a mixture of Malachite Green and Formalin, which in combination is very lethal.. Make sure you don't overdose.

By the way, If I'm not mistaken, Malachite Green and/or Formalin can destroy nitrifying bacteria. But I'm sure your pops knew that already..

Loaches are more sensative to Ich, because they are scaleless fish (aren't they?)..



Did you lock your Dad in that room yet?

[DeLgAdO]

*sigh* i hate this. . . . .

and he's building a pond too!!. . . .

ill be praying for the "lucky" fish that end up in their. . . .

[stevebussard]

first of all, your dad really is a fool. Just thought I'd state the already known, I'm good like that. Second of all, The thread is correct, all that should be needed is some kind of salt. My fish got ich a couple weeks ago, and I had the fastest results doing a 20% water change every two days, with 1 tablespoon to 5 gal. of aquarium salt, but I was also using an ich treatment. If your going to use an ich treatment, I would use something like jungle products ich guard II, just because of the loaches, but it really isn't nessecary to use it, just helps speed things up a bit. I don't have near the years in this that some of our fellow fish lovers do, but that's what's worked for me. Hope I was able to help.

[DeLgAdO]

WOOHOOO!! my heaters came in today!!! :D

actually yesterday, mom forgot to tell me, hehe.

gunna get em to my tank asap!!

(remeber im at my mom right now and the tank is at my dads)

[DeLgAdO]

theri both set at 88 degrees F, think this is too much ???

****in bottle of ridich is almost empty when i got to the house :swear:

my white line is alil red on his belly and around his mouth

NEED REPLIES ASAP!!!

[DeLgAdO]

bump

[DeLgAdO]

water is now at 87 F fish seem more active :)

gunna keep it up for ten days

25% water change tommorow

[Oddball]

OMG!!! What was the temperature to start with? When you add heaters, the temp should be raised by no more than 2 to 3 degrees F a day. Raising the temp too quickly will shock your fish and any that were weak from the disease can suffer renal failure from the temp shock and die. Your biofilter is also affected by temperature. Drastic changes will kill off scores of bacteria and then the filter will not be able to cope with the added wastes from the fish. These added wastes come from increased metabolism from the increase in temperature.
Stop the temp increase now and drop in an air stone. Fresh water, at 72 degrees holds less than 6% dissolved O2. Increasing the temp will decrease the dissolved O2 quite a bit.

[DeLgAdO]

OMG!!! What was the temperature to start with? When you add heaters, the temp should be raised by no more than 2 to 3 degrees F a day. Raising the temp too quickly will shock your fish and any that were weak from the disease can suffer renal failure from the temp shock and die. Your biofilter is also affected by temperature. Drastic changes will kill off scores of bacteria and then the filter will not be able to cope with the added wastes from the fish. These added wastes come from increased metabolism from the increase in temperature.
Stop the temp increase now and drop in an air stone. Fresh water, at 72 degrees holds less than 6% dissolved O2. Increasing the temp will decrease the dissolved O2 quite a bit.

you could have told me that sooner :mad:

ive alway had an airstone in my tank, i just turned the pump up alittle more than it usually is.

[Oddball]

BTW, that red you're seeing in the fish means the same as in humans. That's a symptom of heat stress. When the body overheats it routes blood away from the vital organs and sends it to the surface of the skin in an effort to cool the blood and draw heat away from the body. The increased activity of the fish is a normal response to elevated temps. The fish is trying to find a path away from the heat. In the wild this would be seen when shore fish move out from shore when the surface water temp gets too high.

[DeLgAdO]

BTW, that red you're seeing in the fish means the same as in humans. That's a symptom of heat stress. When the body overheats it routes blood away from the vital organs and sends it to the surface of the skin in an effort to cool the blood and draw heat away from the body. The increased activity of the fish is a normal response to elevated temps. The fish is trying to find a path away from the heat. In the wild this would be seen when shore fish move out from shore when the surface water temp gets too high.

NOoOoOoOoO, he got that BEFORE i put the heaters in their, im thinking it is the medicine that I DID NOT WANT IN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!

just wanted to clear that up :)

[DeLgAdO]

The ich seems to be gone but their are still afew days left of heat treatment, things are looking good :thumbsup: