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I have already ordered the following:
-CORALIFE SUPER LUFT SUMP
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idProduct=ES01657
-PINPOINT PH MONITOR
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idProduct=AM1111
-PINPOINT SALINITY MONITOR
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idProduct=AM1115
-AUTOMATIC TOP OFF (ATO) SYSTEM WATER LEVEL CONTROLLER
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idProduct=JB5111
-AQUA MEDIC SP 3000 - DOSING PUMP
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idProduct=AQ4511
-FB-900 FLUIDIZED BED FILTER
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idProduct=RB7691
-WON PRO-HEAT LCD DIGITAL 1000W TITANIUM HEATER
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idProduct=WB1335
-48" NOVA EXTREME 8X54W T5 HO WITH 4 LUNAR LIGHTS
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idProduct=CU01123
-TURBO TWIST 12X - 36W UV STERILIZER - UP TO 500GAL
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idProduct=ES77072
-MAG-DRIVE SUPREME 9.5 950 GPH WATER PUMP
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idProduct=DN1127
-PINPOINT ORP CONTROLLER
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idProduct=YUL3333
-KENT MARINE DELUXE HI-S MAXXIMA 60 GPD
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idProduct=KM1493
-KENT MARINE COMKITPLUS
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idProduct=KM1613
I am looking at adding a bit of LR to the aquarium but can not afford 200+lbs of LR at $3.99/lb. What is a good BR (base rock) to use for this set up?
Also, I plan to keep:
(1) Emeperator Angel
(1) Tesselata, Zebra, White Mouth, Canary,or Dragon Moray
(1) Argus Grouper
(1) polleni or miniatus grouper
(1) bamboo or wobbygong shark
or
(1) Emeperator Angel
(1) Tesselata, Zebra, White Mouth, Canary,or Dragon Moray
(1) Argus Grouper
(1) Polleni or Miniatus grouper
(1) Titan or Clown triggerfish
(1) Mappa Puffer
What do you think of my set up and choices for tankmates.
(BTW, in case anyone was wondering the wobbygong/titan/bamboo is not going to be in that tank permanently, simply a grow out ;) )
The tank dimensions are 8'x2'x2'
Btw, the Protein Skimmer I am looking at getting is an MRC 4848 with a Sequence 5000 pump.
http://myreefcreations.com/pscommercial.htm
http://myreefcreations.com/seq.htm
Derpeder
03-20-2007, 4:46 PM
I think it all sounds sweet. I have no advice but I want to see pics ASAP.
chrisdef15
03-20-2007, 7:31 PM
Also, I plan to keep:
(1) Emeperator Angel
(1) Tesselata, Zebra, White Mouth, Canary,or Dragon Moray
Forget the tess. tanks to small.
(1) Argus Grouper
(1) polleni or miniatus grouper
Only pick one grouper. If young you might get lucky but groupers get territorial with other groupers. Although if you get 2 that are totally different coloured ive heard it helps alot.
(1) bamboo or wobbygong shark
Forget the wobbie. I know you said its just a grow out but i doubt you have the pond space for a 8' shark.
or
(1) Emeperator Angel
(1) Tesselata, Zebra, White Mouth, Canary,or Dragon Moray
(1) Argus Grouper
(1) Polleni or Miniatus grouper
(1) Titan or Clown triggerfish
Watch out for triggers and the puffer as they like to pick at eels tails.
(1) Mappa Puffer
Most of it should work out other then the bits i added.
Brenden
03-20-2007, 9:57 PM
A 240 is too small for a Brown Banded Bamboo, or any Bamboo. Same goes for the Wobbeygong. Only shark you will be able to house in a 240 for life will be a Coral Cat or Marbled Cat shark. Otherwise looks like it will be a nice setup.
A 240 is too small for a Brown Banded Bamboo, or any Bamboo. Same goes for the Wobbeygong. Only shark you will be able to house in a 240 for life will be a Coral Cat or Marbled Cat shark. Otherwise looks like it will be a nice setup.
Allright, so you're saying that an 8" fish wich sits in one place for the majority of the day will not do well in a 240g Aquarium (8'x2'x2')? Do you see were that makes completely no sense? If I was planning on keeping the 8" shark until it reached 2'+ in that aquarium, then yes, I will agree that the aquarium is inapropriate. However, seeing as how I AM NOT planning on keeping the elasmobranch in that aquarium when it is a 2'+ specimen, that statement appears to be irrational and somewhat foolish.
I hope that we can all see that and that we may move on from that logic.
Thank You
Most of it should work out other then the bits i added.
I will definately adhere to all of the precautions when introducing specimens to the aquarium.
These are the guidlines I know of or have heard of:
1) Add aggressive fish last
2) Rearange Rock Work
3) Water change (Hormones)
4) Add dither fish (Chromis-damsel)
Are their any other known methods for the successful introduction of semi-aggressive species into an aquarium?
Brenden
03-21-2007, 12:07 AM
Seeing as you probable have no experience with elasmobranches, I am not sure why you are trying to be smart. Buying a fish which you do not plan on keeping for life is rather foolish and immature. If you do not believe anything I am saying, check out my website www.sharkraycentral.com and see for your self. I did not say it couldn't live in your 240, I said it wouldnt for life. If you have other arrangments for a larger tank, or a friend willing to take the shark. Go for it, just wanted to let you know what your getting into. Keeping sharks is a long term commitment, dont do it unless your dedicated.
BIGgourami
03-21-2007, 12:41 AM
Are their any other known methods for the successful introduction of semi-aggressive species into an aquarium?
you can introduce them ate the same time and not have to rearrange the rocks. but if you don't make sure to try and make the setup look completly different. like if the fish hangs out near a outcrop that has a tower in front of it, don'tput the tower near the outcrop, or you fish willkeep the same territory.
i hope that makes sense.
BIGgourami
03-21-2007, 12:43 AM
i don't know how experienced you are w/SW but don't just dive in and start with sharks. they are fairly hard to keep and demand excellant water conditions.
but judging on your choice of grouper and eel and angel, you either very experienced, or very foolish.
Seeing as you probable have no experience with elasmobranches, I am not sure why you are trying to be smart. Buying a fish which you do not plan on keeping for life is rather foolish and immature. If you do not believe anything I am saying, check out my website www.sharkraycentral.com and see for your self. I did not say it couldn't live in your 240, I said it wouldnt for life. If you have other arrangments for a larger tank, or a friend willing to take the shark. Go for it, just wanted to let you know what your getting into. Keeping sharks is a long term commitment, dont do it unless your dedicated.
All right then, a simple miscommunication between us. I stated in my post that the aquarium was simply a grow out for the wobbygong or bamboo shark. :)
WeeNe858
03-21-2007, 1:17 AM
i dont get why theres so much gear in this tank... but its your tank...
base rock can be any type of rock but you have to let the bacteria grow onto the nuetral rock so itll take a while before your tank is ready.
IME groupers are monster pigs and eels are slow eaters.. you might have trouble feeding your fishes
and the shark is to docile to hang out with your fishes and he would be out competed for food
everything else seems cool
i don't know how experienced you are w/SW but don't just dive in and start with sharks. they are fairly hard to keep and demand excellant water conditions.
but judging on your choice of grouper and eel and angel, you either very experienced, or very foolish.
I know that their always comes a risk with agressive tankmatess but I am trying to appease several parties with this decision.
Btw, do you think my filtration is inadequate for the needs of a shark? I have a UV sterilizer, Ozone generator, electronic testing instruments, RO/DI, and so on. On top of all that I am going to get a Protein Skimmer rated for 3000 gallons, 12.5 times greater than what is recommended.
If this is inadequate, then may you please describe or better yet, show me a system which IS adequate.
BIGgourami
03-21-2007, 1:27 AM
if you're going all out why not get an auto-topoff syatem and never maintain the tank at all? lol!
it actually seems a little overkill, but i've never kept sharks before, all i know is they are hella hard to keep.
i dont get why theres so much gear in this tank... but its your tank...
base rock can be any type of rock but you have to let the bacteria grow onto the nuetral rock so itll take a while before your tank is ready.
IME groupers are monster pigs and eels are slow eaters.. you might have trouble feeding your fishes
and the shark is to docile to hang out with your fishes and he would be out competed for food
everything else seems cool
My plan is to make this aquarium as minimal maintainence as possible.
Stick feeding is how I planned to feed the eel and shark. Of course this will happen only when the groupers are full. :D
if you're going all out why not get an auto-topoff syatem and never maintain the tank at all? lol!
it actually seems a little overkill, but i've never kept sharks before, all i know is they are hella hard to keep.
I do have an auto top off system. The model I have is made by JBJ and is called Auto Top Off or ATO.
:D
BIGgourami
03-21-2007, 1:33 AM
why not get a massive lion instead? a little passe granted but too slow to be a real hog! groupers are fast as HELL!!!!!
why not get a massive lion instead? a little passe granted but too slow to be a real hog! groupers are fast as HELL!!!!!
Well, no to lions because of the negative shark-lion relationship. Plus, I prefer the look and attitude of a Miniatus or Argus grouper to that of a lion. Groupers are BAMF that don't take nothing from no one.
BIGgourami
03-21-2007, 1:39 AM
well the clown trigger will get you that for sure.
and about BAMFitude, MANTIS SHRIMP!
well the clown trigger will get you that for sure.
and about BAMFitude, MANTIS SHRIMP!
The Mantis Shrimp is just about the one creature that actually scares me. They poke holes in things that aren't supposed to have holes in like it ain't nobodies business. SCARY :mr-t:
BIGgourami
03-21-2007, 1:51 AM
ilike how you put mr.t right there! ha!
im trying to think of what they are but there's this really BA fish i think you could get.
ilike how you put mr.t right there! ha!
im trying to think of what they are but there's this really BA fish i think you could get.
Their are a ton of BA fish but only a handful that may be in a closed environment with tankmates. ;) :shark:
BIGgourami
03-21-2007, 1:56 AM
i know, but i mean like this one specific fish. ive seen it before.
i know, but i mean like this one specific fish. ive seen it before.
Which is?????
(drumroll) :popcorn: <insert fish name> :WHOA: :headbang2
BIGgourami
03-21-2007, 2:02 AM
I DON'T KNOWWWW!!!!! GIMME A MINUTE!
BIGgourami
03-21-2007, 2:03 AM
SWEET LIPS!!!!!
spotted sweetlips. it's a little shy tho.
and marine bettas. get them feeding and watch out!
SWEET LIPS!!!!!
spotted sweetlips. it's a little shy tho.
and marine bettas. get them feeding and watch out!
I don't think I've ever seen a sweetlips in person but from what I've heard they are extremely sensitive and get huge and ugly.
Argus Grouper http://www.richard-seaman.com/Wallpaper/Nature/Underwater/Fish/PeacockGrouper.jpg
Spotted Sweetlips http://www.underwaterphotography.com/Upload/UP/Competition/Previews/5911.jpg
I rest my case. :grinno:
BIGgourami
03-21-2007, 5:54 PM
i wouldn't call either of these fish ugly.
how big's the grouper?
i wouldn't call either of these fish ugly.
how big's the grouper?
I like the look of the grouper, just not the look of the sweetlips.
The grouper in the picture looks to be around 12 inches or so. I would probably get one in the 5-7in range due to price and compatibilty.
Brenden
03-21-2007, 7:46 PM
Glad to hear its only a grow out. However the Angel is a no go. Unless you want a stressed, injured, and possible dead shark go with something else. Angels, Lions, Puffers, and Butterflies are all non-compatible with sharks expecially in a 240. They then to pick on the sharks, expecially bottom dwelling species, they like to nip at their eyes and fins which can result in serious injuries and as stated before possible death. Somthing no one wants.
krj-1168
03-21-2007, 7:48 PM
Personally between the two species lists - I would tend to recommend the second one(without the shark).
For most small benthic shark pups (i.e. Bamboo pups)- a large tank like a 240 gallon is too large - and they have trouble fining food while small. But the tank is also too small(too narrow) to house the shark as an adult.
Also your choices of tankmates for the shark is really bad. No Angels, Triggers, Puffers, or agressive Eels (like Tessies).
clopez21
03-21-2007, 8:47 PM
Nice equipment. Is the mag for your return?
clopez21
03-21-2007, 8:49 PM
Would also look into plumbing your tank into a refugium to take car of nitrates as you will need perfect water quality for that shark.
Nice equipment. Is the mag for your return?
Well, the mag was originally for my UV but will probably join the fbf on the return.
The main pump is going to be a sequence 5000 which is going to be used in conjunction with the Protein Skimmer rated for 3000g. I have a 60g sump which I will either fill with LR or make into a refugium, however, seeing as how the flow rate is extreme, I will probably go with LR seeing as how mud might never settle in the sump or calupera grow.
Personally between the two species lists - I would tend to recommend the second one(without the shark).
For most small benthic shark pups (i.e. Bamboo pups)- a large tank like a 240 gallon is too large - and they have trouble fining food while small. But the tank is also too small(too narrow) to house the shark as an adult.
Also your choices of tankmates for the shark is really bad. No Angels, Triggers, Puffers, or agressive Eels (like Tessies).
I know, :D , but I guess its better than nothing. I wanted to get a requeim(BTR) and set up a pond but I personally think that a nice dining room aquarium would be more asthetically pleasing. :D
The choice is sort of a compromise between several parties. I have decided to ditch the tesselata and go with a less agressive moray (prehaps, Zebra). How have Crosshatch triggers faired with sharks?
Btw, the shark and eel are to be stick fed and logged in order to maintain proper feeding regimen.
Thanks for all of the helpful suggestions. :)
Brenden
03-21-2007, 11:58 PM
As I stated before, Angels, Triggers, Puffers, and Butterflies are all non-compatibale with sharks in almost all aquarium situations. They are all great fish, but if you want a Shark those are all out of the questions. Tangs, Groupers, and Eels are great substitution tankmates.
As I stated before, Angels, Triggers, Puffers, and Butterflies are all non-compatibale with sharks in almost all aquarium situations. They are all great fish, but if you want a Shark those are all out of the questions. Tangs, Groupers, and Eels are great substitution tankmates.
My answer to that-
Good Bye Shark. :(
Thanks for the help. :)
Cappuccino
03-26-2007, 9:33 PM
I see you want to establish a FOWLR aquarium, but I have noticedany live rock. If you didn't get it, could you tell me where and how much you paid?
Does anyone know where I can get some live and/or base rock for my 210g salt water aquarium reasonable (cheap) prices? In the New York area or willing to ship the rock to the New York area. I have found some live rock for between $6-$10 at local fish stores, but I need about 225 pounds and at those rates it's not going to happen.
All right,
well I am finally going to be able to set up my aquarium.
Question #1
I had Tahitian Moon Sand in the aquarium which I have taken most of out. Does it matter if there is still a little bit left or should I make sure the tank is totally clean.
Question #2
My RO/DI system is leaking from the faucet and is producing WAY more waste water than the product water. Is this okay? Also, the resin chambers leak even though I have tightened them. Anything to do to stop this?
Question #3
Should I wait for the tank to fill up with water and then add salt to it or should I mix the salt and then add it?
Question #4
Should I set up all of my equipment (FBF, UV, sump,etc...) now?
lancepender
07-14-2007, 3:04 PM
Does anyone know where I can get some live and/or base rock for my 210g salt water aquarium reasonable (cheap) prices? In the New York area or willing to ship the rock to the New York area. I have found some live rock for between $6-$10 at local fish stores, but I need about 225 pounds and at those rates it's not going to happen.
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Check out Reefer Madness great prices on live rock.. 3.62 a lb shipped:headbang2