View Full Version : Giant Snakehead As Feeders?!
The reason why I am upset is not just because it is my most favourite fish but also because I don't think they fall under the category of feeder fish. Small fishes like Rosey reds, Swordtail, Goldfish etc being sold as feeders actually do make me feel uncomfortable, because just imagine how many lives are being killed everyday.
They do not deserve to be food, humans make them so. Something is called a feeder fish is because of humans, imagine you being kept by a stronger animal and are named food? But then to think, if these feeders were in the wild, this is how the food chain would be, that the predators would be hunting especially on these little fishes or others like Carps, Barbs, Walking Catfish, Cichlids etc. They are the preys, it is not our fault if God/Goddess created something and then creates something else that feeds on what he/she previously created.
So fine, we do that, we feed these preys like Goldfish, Balloon Platy, Sword Tail, Frogs, etc to these monster predators. But what is happening here is such a magnificent predator or predator’s babies being used or sold as feeders and that is just not fair, not at all. This is like handing lion cubs to Hyenas, Wolves or Tigers to eat. It doesn't work that way. If it happens in the wild, fine, let the nature takes its course but still they would be so carefully guarded by their parents and they would strike at anything that comes closer, even humans until there are reports of people being attacked and killed.
Giant Snakehad's fry becomes prey in the wild so easily is again because of us humans, anglers hunting their parents for food which leaves the fries all alone. The Giant Snakehead just does not fall under the category of a feeder fish. So I find this ridiculous, why not include Arowana? Why not? Because it is expensive? Why? Because humans make it so! and if you call the Giant Snakehead itself as food fish, well again that is because of humans, it doesn’t born to be food, you make it so you fool. You lable everything...if humans kill animal it is normal, if animals kill humans it is bad and dangerous, this and that and again you kill the animals, doesn't make any difference. Selfish..you are all that matters..*sighs*
*Opens MFK exit door and walks away*
But I'll drop by sometimes to check on more Snakehead videos. ;) But if you decide to delete my registration, go ahead. And no, I'm not leaving because Giant Snakeheads are being sold as feeders.
CentralMayhem
09-24-2005, 1:14 AM
blow goats pansy boy. this is MFK home of the theory KILL OR BE KILLED.....grow some teeth. every animal in nature falls prey to us so who cares. even Channa fry are aten in the wild. parents can only do so much. thanks for leavin on your own i didnt wanna have to kick your ass out the door.
YOURS TRULY, MFE
Wish you had said that face to face...But I'm done.
fishnthings
09-24-2005, 1:24 AM
blow goats pansy boy. this is MFK home of the theory KILL OR BE KILLED.....grow some teeth. every animal in nature falls prey to us so who cares. even Channa fry are aten in the wild. parents can only do so much. thanks for leavin on your own i didnt wanna have to kick your ass out the door.
YOURS TRULY, MFE
funny....(yours truly, mfe)hahaha....i dont understand wtf is going on here....can somone fill me in? im so confused :confused:
sandtiger
09-24-2005, 2:05 AM
MFE...Monster Fish Eater...he eats his pet fish when he gets tired of them. I wouldn't take him to seriously.:)
I don't have a problem with useing snakehead fry as feeders anymore then useing goldfish, rosys or anything else. It basically boils down to this...everything...EVERYTHING on this planet was made to be eaten. Snakeheads, humans, bats, spiders, sharks, maple trees....everything gets eaten by something. It is this exchange of energy that drives evolution and allows life to florish. I disagree with feeder fish to a level. I think most people do use them because...hey, that fish ate a fish...THATS AWSOME...I'm such a big man for owning this fish, lets show our friends!!! The only time I would ever use feeders is if I had a fish that needed feeders....such as a gar. But I don't put one fish on a pedistol over another and am indifferent to the use of snakeheads as feeders over any other.
DeLgAdO
09-24-2005, 2:36 AM
blow goats pansy boy. this is MFK home of the theory KILL OR BE KILLED.....grow some teeth. every animal in nature falls prey to us so who cares. even Channa fry are aten in the wild. parents can only do so much. thanks for leavin on your own i didnt wanna have to kick your ass out the door.
YOURS TRULY, MFE
your nuts cm :screwy: that was mean as well
thats not true, not all monster fish are predatory
and your theory sucks
MFK is THE NEXT LEVEL OF FISH KEEPING!!!
kill or be killed sounds more like iraq
tothna
09-24-2005, 4:18 AM
I agree with CM, I mean.....come on........seriously, I think this guy's got some issues he needs to work out
DeLgAdO
09-24-2005, 4:48 AM
dude. . . we all have issues :naughty: :eek:
repair
09-24-2005, 7:22 AM
But when you compair the life of a human to the life of an animal you have got something wrong....... I don't use feeders and won't keep anything that wont eat pelets but that dosen't mean that those of you that use feeders are wrong it just means that it's not right for me.
I feel sorry for Taker they are mixed up on so many things... do you think global warming is real? well if you think that we are producing too many green house gases concider that a larege volcano puts out as much as we have ever produced... to think we are so great that we can affect climate change is giving our selves more credit than we deserve.
I'ts all about the money....... remember r12? all of a sudden when duponts patent runs out it becomes bad and their newest gas is good.... why do you think the oil companies give money to the eviromentalist..... it's prevents them from having to build new refineries and then the price of gas goes up because of too little refinerey capacity.
As some once said "follow the money and things make sence".
Tainted Glory
09-24-2005, 9:09 AM
Your first post is way too long to read with a hangover. Anyone care to summarize?
sandtiger
09-24-2005, 9:52 AM
Yes, is is upset by such a large predatory fish being used as feeders.
The TRUST
09-24-2005, 10:08 AM
I think using them as feeders is fine. A good reason they could be used for feeders is that because they are prolific and there is not a shortage of them. I am sure if Arowanas were not deemed the "lucky fish" and were prolific they would also be used as feeders. I think anything that comes to mind that is easily available can be used as feeders.
In the USA, the main feeder fish here in Goldfish but I have tried to source other types of feeders for my Monsters before. One of them being Rainbow trout. People could say the same about Rainbow Trout being a very beautiful fish etc etc, but it doesn't change the fact that I could get them in abundance and use them as a feeder if I wanted to.
During my search for alternative feeders, I also thought about using Large Mouth Bass Fry as feeders too. I called many fish farms about getting them but rainbow trout came out cheaper in the end. I love LMB and would love to keep a large specimen of one in my tank but I see nothing wrong with it being used as a feeder.
I think what we used for feeders is all a matter of choice. The Giant snakeheads just were easily available and so people thought "Why not?", but it doesn't mean people care less for them. I have seen many people keep them as pets in the same places were they are sold as feeders.
jsodwi
09-24-2005, 11:43 AM
I would love to eat a human Rather kill us off and eat each other than harmless animals P.S. Can anyone ship me over a dozen gaint snakehead babies to New Jersey I swear I'll only use them as feeders
sohfatfish
09-24-2005, 12:16 PM
Actually i do not see whats the problem with using snakeheads as feeders. If you don't like it then don't use them lah, everyone got a personale preference one. And if you really do not feel comfortable with feeding a life to your pet then dont rear fishes that need to be fed live foods. I also do not see why you have to leave us just because you do not get along with some people here doesnt mean the rest of us do not appreciate the contributions that you have made and can make in the future. All the best anyway.
jebus
09-24-2005, 12:40 PM
its the survival game
eat or be eaten
in an aquarium, the pet fish has the advantage
that's simple as that
fishnthings
09-24-2005, 1:00 PM
i dont think sh's should be used as feeders also, theyre neat!!!hehe.. goldfish, and rosies on the otherhand, r boring. so who cares for them?NOT I
IoStrisciare
09-24-2005, 1:06 PM
Well.... here... all small fish that come in big numbers are considered feeders...
my mentor actually uses neon tetras and danios as feeders... why? coz they're cheap... and the fact is they're abundant.
As for the SHs... if these babies did not become feeders they wld still end up in the supermarket when they hit a certain size and be eaten by us. So no difference really.
RockyGoldy
09-24-2005, 1:28 PM
Its just the survival of the fittest..its the same everywhere....
even the lion (termed king of the jungles) gets eaten by a pack of hyenas (saw in animal planet channel)...theres just no hard and fast rule to say what cannot be eaten by another or can be eaten.
piranha45
09-24-2005, 2:09 PM
taker's just tired of getting pwned here on MFK; we know too much about fish. First he's shown how aimara destroy snakeheads, now he's shown that his favorite fish is just a feeder food, for both fish AND humans. its too much for him to handle.
Juggalo
09-24-2005, 2:34 PM
I think most people do use them because...hey, that fish ate a fish...THATS AWSOME...I'm such a big man for owning this fish, lets show our friends!!!
thats right i am a BIG man.
CM, play nice! He can be wrong if he wants to. :raspberry
I think his logic is silly and the reason snake heads produce so many young is that damn near everything eats them including some nominal "feeder" fish. Young aros get eaten too!
Lion cubs sometimes get eaten by eagles or even jackals, wolf cubs get eaten by coyotes, that is what culls the careless ones, oops, so sorry.
piranha45
09-24-2005, 2:41 PM
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=79535&postcount=9
But when you compair the life of a human to the life of an animal you have got something wrong....... I don't use feeders and won't keep anything that wont eat pelets but that dosen't mean that those of you that use feeders are wrong it just means that it's not right for me.
I feel sorry for Taker they are mixed up on so many things... do you think global warming is real? well if you think that we are producing too many green house gases concider that a larege volcano puts out as much as we have ever produced... to think we are so great that we can affect climate change is giving our selves more credit than we deserve.
I'ts all about the money....... remember r12? all of a sudden when duponts patent runs out it becomes bad and their newest gas is good.... why do you think the oil companies give money to the eviromentalist..... it's prevents them from having to build new refineries and then the price of gas goes up because of too little refinerey capacity.
As some once said "follow the money and things make sence".
:topic: but while we are there, the worlds largest consistant source of atmospheric methane is apparently termite farts, it is supposedly true but it cracks me up, is the cure for global warming little tiny beano tabs?
Sandtiger,
the people I have read posts from who use snakeheads as feeders are from places where they are as common as yellow suckers in your average California creek. Sarcity breeds demand but surplus lessens local value, there are places that bluegills are exotic imports, here they are a pain in the backside.
Gr8KarmaSF
09-24-2005, 2:58 PM
[QUOTE=guppy]:topic: but while we are there, the worlds largest consistant source of atmospheric methane is apparently termite farts, it is supposedly true but it cracks me up, is the cure for global warming little tiny beano tabs?
:WTF: :ROFL: :WTF: :ROFL: :WTF: :ROFL:
ya gotta b kidding?
Discovery channel did a show on global warming and they said that world wide termites are the singe biggest producer of natural methane, made as a by product when their gut bacteria break down cellulose, They said that an average tropical termite mound on the african savana can produce 2 tons of methane gas each year and it is not unusual for there to be dozens of mounds per acre.
Weird stuff like that gets stuck in my brain.
IoStrisciare
09-24-2005, 9:08 PM
taker's just tired of getting pwned here on MFK; we know too much about fish. First he's shown how aimara destroy snakeheads, now he's shown that his favorite fish is just a feeder food, for both fish AND humans. its too much for him to handle.
be nice.
none of us know too much about fish.
anyways lets not have a replay of which fish owns who...
obviously no one can agree on that. :grinno:
fishnthings
09-24-2005, 9:30 PM
well said, everyone has different thoughts, that doesnt mean you have to be a @sshole because you disagree w/ their opinons.
sgland
09-24-2005, 10:33 PM
MOTHER NATURE put us top of the food chain. We decide what to eat and get eaten. It's all in her grand works! ;)
rayman45
09-25-2005, 1:52 AM
KILL OR BE KILLED
gotta give him that
fishnthings
09-25-2005, 6:52 AM
how do you know we were put on top, u just assume.
boredcpl
09-25-2005, 7:22 AM
we are not on top of the food chain.. we just stay clear of those that can kill and eat us..
sgland
09-25-2005, 7:53 AM
the fact that we r smart enough to stay away from eaten already makes us top.
we die from illness and old age, not PREDATION. No animal enjoy this as much as we do.
we have the power to put MOST creatures to extinction or save it from.
but you could be right too, germs and bacteria may be on top of us, if MOTHER NATURE choose to make that decision one day.
Just my humble opinions, anyone is most welcome to disagree :)
AmazonPredator
09-25-2005, 7:22 PM
Interesting discussion. I never had heard the info on termite farts...Crazy... :screwy: but believable. Cows are also great atmospheric polluters. I do, however, believe that we as humans are contrubting to global warming at a more accelerated rate. It's just science. As far as snakeheads as feeders, who cares? Jeff Rapps uses midas & managuense fry as feeders because he has an abundant supply. Its fast, easy, and cheap. Can you blame him? The same could very well apply to someone who breeds snakeheads and has other fish. Btw, if you are the faint of the heart when it comes to predatory fish, I recommend you not post on this board again for your own peace of mind and well-being. The title of this board is "MONSTER Fish Keepers", not "Friendly Fish Keepers"...even though we are friendly.
Sometimes. :thumbsup:
lizardfishman
09-30-2005, 6:51 PM
who cares if they are feeders? theres a bunch of them and they are small enough to be eaten. goldfish are used as feeders and some people love them more than anything. same thing as snakeheads. i love jaguar cichlids and somebody uses them as feeders. i find that funny. fish are used as feeders when there are many of them in the wild, captivity, ect. and when they breed easily like convicts.
IMO, convict fry should be sold as feeders as much as goldfish or rosy reds
Point De Riz
10-01-2005, 9:06 AM
I agree with you Sandtiger.
I have never fed my RTC live fish, mice or anything, some do, my mate is one of those that does.
Chris.
MrfisH
10-01-2005, 11:43 AM
The reason why I am upset is not just because it is my most favourite fish but also because I don't think they fall under the category of feeder fish. Small fishes like Rosey reds, Swordtail, Goldfish etc being sold as feeders actually do make me feel uncomfortable, because just imagine how many lives are being killed everyday.
They do not deserve to be food, humans make them so. Something is called a feeder fish is because of humans, imagine you being kept by a stronger animal and are named food? But then to think, if these feeders were in the wild, this is how the food chain would be, that the predators would be hunting especially on these little fishes or others like Carps, Barbs, Walking Catfish, Cichlids etc. They are the preys, it is not our fault if God/Goddess created something and then creates something else that feeds on what he/she previously created.
So fine, we do that, we feed these preys like Goldfish, Balloon Platy, Sword Tail, Frogs, etc to these monster predators. But what is happening here is such a magnificent predator or predator’s babies being used or sold as feeders and that is just not fair, not at all. This is like handing lion cubs to Hyenas, Wolves or Tigers to eat. It doesn't work that way. If it happens in the wild, fine, let the nature takes its course but still they would be so carefully guarded by their parents and they would strike at anything that comes closer, even humans until there are reports of people being attacked and killed.
Giant Snakehad's fry becomes prey in the wild so easily is again because of us humans, anglers hunting their parents for food which leaves the fries all alone. The Giant Snakehead just does not fall under the category of a feeder fish. So I find this ridiculous, why not include Arowana? Why not? Because it is expensive? Why? Because humans make it so! and if you call the Giant Snakehead itself as food fish, well again that is because of humans, it doesn’t born to be food, you make it so you fool. You lable everything...if humans kill animal it is normal, if animals kill humans it is bad and dangerous, this and that and again you kill the animals, doesn't make any difference. Selfish..you are all that matters..*sighs*
*Opens MFK exit door and walks away*
But I'll drop by sometimes to check on more Snakehead videos. ;) But if you decide to delete my registration, go ahead. And no, I'm not leaving because Giant Snakeheads are being sold as feeders.
Does this guy work for PETA? Heres an idea, throw some paint on the snakeheads so they cant be fed to other fish.............Brilliant!
man i need those fish babe
iam looking for a cheap fish tank site with cheap prices
MarlboroMan
03-01-2006, 7:17 PM
OK, where is the place selling baby reds as feeders..........
yourmylunch
03-01-2006, 8:03 PM
what do u think they make fish food out of
iam looking for a cheap fish tank site with cheap prices
Look in the buy and sell forum.
landonc
03-01-2006, 8:35 PM
Dont be such jack asses guys. First off; fish are fish. If you are against SH's as feeders why wouldnt you be against goldfish as feeders? You know that goldfish are some peoples favorite fish as well dont you? I dont think its right either though this is not up to me and I have to live with it.
Some say this is 'nature' though what some need to realize is when we keep a fish in an aquarium we go against nature. In 'nature' the fry would be able to get away or atleast have a chance of escaping predators. We throw them in an aquarium with no escape, thats not nature ;)
Im not sure which side im on, but this isnt up to me....
joeytoe
03-01-2006, 8:40 PM
I agree with Rocky Survival of the fittest. Ive used numerous fish as feeders, from comets, to Siamese fighting fish. In the wild fish eat whatever they can fit into there mouths, wether it be a smaller fish or some other Animal.
well i hope that guy is a veggie, i mean, who says we should cultivate chickens and cows for us to eat, why noy snakemeat and bears.
I personally would only feed feeders if the fish needed it, but even then its only because i wouldnt want to run the risk of parasites from feeder fish (tho apparently we cant have feeders in the uk?!?!?)
also the rice paddy fields in asia give off almost the same amount of methane gases as that of the termites.
also if i ate loads and loads of feeder snakeheads, would it be as good for me if i just ate one adult?
RobD23
03-02-2006, 1:17 PM
Look using fish you can breed at home as feeders is not a bad idea...living in Toronto where my channa bleheri are illegal, i wont be able to sell the fry of these fish to any LFS so since i feed my datnoid and cichlid pike feeders it would be healthier, more economically efficient as well as morally good when it comes to the impact these things can have on the ecosystem if i were to release them...Whatever i choose not to keep or give to friends will be used as feeder fish, it sounds bad yes but it's a hell of alot smarter to feed healthy fish to your expensive fish then feeders that carry all kinds of bad illnesses
It all comes done to availability, here this S. manueli would be a prized and expensive fishkeepers dream. In Brazil and Venezuela it would be a cheap lunch.
benzjamin13
03-02-2006, 7:14 PM
Feeder Fish are just fish. ANY Fish is a Feeder Fish. I like Jaguar Cichlids and I've heard of people here using them as feeders. I don't get upset. The fact is...Snakeheads are prolific and aggressive predators. That's why they're illegal, because they will (and have) damage the eco system. Do I want a Snakehead? Hell Yeah! They're Awsome! But I can't really get one. So am I offended that someone uses them as feeders? Hell No! I know that they're in abundance in Thailand. Why not use them as feeders? Like some of you guys has said, "What makes using a Snakehead as a feeders differ from using Goldfish as feeders?" And if it comes to feeding live food...wean them off a live food to pellets!
MarlboroMan
03-02-2006, 10:03 PM
I once used 4 african tigerfish as feeders :cry:
RobD23
03-03-2006, 1:45 PM
I once used 4 african tigerfish as feeders :cry:
thats just crazy those things cost 100 bucks each
rook45
03-03-2006, 8:09 PM
:screwy: :screwy: :screwy: whatever :screwy: :screwy: :screwy:
we are not on top of the food chain.. we just stay clear of those that can kill and eat us..
Yes we are. The things that can kill and eat us, we can also kill and eat them. A rabbit can't kill a fox can it? Shark fin soup anyone? (I don't advocate shark fin soup by the way).
Princley
03-03-2006, 8:19 PM
thank GOD neons eat snake heads
what happened to Grizzley Man??
joeytoe
03-03-2006, 8:24 PM
thank GOD neons eat snake heads
what happened to Grizzley Man??
Grizzley Man became Grizzley Feces.
sandtiger
03-03-2006, 9:04 PM
Yes we are. The things that can kill and eat us, we can also kill and eat them. A rabbit can't kill a fox can it? Shark fin soup anyone? (I don't advocate shark fin soup by the way).
On top of the food chain huh? Try telling that to mosquitos, flesh eating viruses, ticks, mites, body crabs, tapeworms, AIDS, Bird flu, West Nile...believe me, we are NOT on top of the food chain.
No, a rabbit cannot kill a fox but an elephant can kill a lion, does that mean elepants are on top of the food chain? No...they don't even eat meat.
toxicfish
03-03-2006, 9:17 PM
On top of the food chain huh? Try telling that to mosquitos, flesh eating viruses, ticks, mites, body crabs, tapeworms, AIDS, Bird flu, West Nile...believe me, we are NOT on top of the food chain.
what do these have to do with the food chain? :screwy: key word here is "food".
On top of the food chain huh? Try telling that to mosquitos, flesh eating viruses, ticks, mites, body crabs, tapeworms, AIDS, Bird flu, West Nile...believe me, we are NOT on top of the food chain.
No, a rabbit cannot kill a fox but an elephant can kill a lion, does that mean elepants are on top of the food chain? No...they don't even eat meat.
Good point, but as far as mosquitos, SLAP! Your life is over. Now if I could just use this flyswatter on this pesky West Nile Virus.
As far as AIDS goes, the HIV virus doesn't kill people, something else does as a result of a weakened immune system. Now the Ebola Virus, that's a tough one.
reddragon343
03-05-2006, 12:37 AM
i agree with what delgado said
mudskipper
03-05-2006, 2:07 AM
preaditors have instincts. but you are right about this point i got out of it: we are creating a natural habitat and to do that we must suppy the instintive needs to hunt, but as the fishkeeper we need to decide there is a limit of what we give our fish to protect a more uncommon spiecies, not to feed it to our fish just because its small.
PS: I love waching them eat guppies :headbang2 :headbang2
good looking snakeheads. wonder what would sell them at the same price as feeders.
you'll have plenty of time to save gups from fish higher on the food chain when YOUR LIVING IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: !!!!
mudskipper
03-05-2006, 2:13 AM
During my search for alternative feeders, I also thought about using Large Mouth Bass Fry as feeders too. I called many fish farms about getting them but rainbow trout came out cheaper in the end. I love LMB and would love to keep a large specimen of one in my tank but I see nothing wrong with it being used as a feeder.
I.
Just how cheap can you get rainbow trout fry?