Average price on a red SH

[Ornatapinnis]

Hey everyone,

I have a customer that has offered to sell me his entire aquarium set up. I really don't want it or need it and the price he is asking is a little high. It's a 125 with all the goodies. Hears the thing....it's up and running with fish in it. One of the fish is a red snake head about 10" to 12" or so. Chances to buy one these days are far and few. He won't separate the fish from the set up, it's all or nothing. He is not desperate to sell. I hate to pay a bunch of money for something I don't want just to acquire a snake head but.... What do you all think is a reasonable price for a snake head this size now that they are illegal to import?

Thanks...Joel

[boredcpl]

what all is in the sale and how much money.. cause you may be able to buy a snakehead soon over here in cinn, OH..

[Ornatapinnis]

It's a complete set up, tank lid lights, wood stand, canister filters, air pumps, heaters, common pleco, oscar, snake head, big dempsy, perhaps a couple more fish that I can't remember. I have no idea what the snake heads value is. I would love to have one, I have an empty 180 and will have a 8"x3"x30" tank running in about 2 months. I guess my question is what is a reasonable price to expect to pay for a snake head now days? $100.00? $500.00? more? And...What you mean I may be able to but snake heads over in Cincy? What is this secret you know? :naughty:

Joel....

[piranha45]

You can buy them in the other northern states, can't you? small juveniles go for like $20 up there. Call some places up in advance, see who has them, and go on a road trip some time. Or post a request in the buy/sell forum.

[Ornatapinnis]

My understanding as is my importers understanding, they are illegal to bring into the united states.

[rumblesushi]

I thought they were illegal EVERYWHERE in the US?

[piranha45]

My understanding as is my importers understanding, they are illegal to bring into the united states.
there are plenty of pre-existing populations in the united states, especially among red snakeheads and gachuas. there are clearly at least a number of breeding populations kept by aquarists/wholesalers in this country... i wouldn't know who/where they are given my lack of interest in keeping them, but they are out there!

[rumblesushi]

When I first joined this site I was thinking wow, America sure does look like a cool place if you're a fishkeeper. Lots of mail order places, cheap fish, cheap tanks and equipment and cheap feeder fish.

But now I'm not so sure with the amount of banned fish, it seems absurd.

I'm now thinking Singapore is the place to be :D

[softturtle]

I'm now thinking Singapore is the place to be :D
You got that right, Sushi.

[Ornatapinnis]

I just glanced over the out line of the "injurous species" and snake heads are all illegal to import with out a permit. Permits are only issued to zoo's, medical research and perhaps a couple other situations. It also states it's a fedreal offence to transport a snake head from one state to another. (wonder how that's inforced) I couldn't find any specific information about existing snake heads that were all ready hear before the ban was put in action. I would think that if it is illegal to import them to help prevent them from populating lakes & streams, it would also be illegal to be breeding them and selling them with in the U.S. Anyone know the facts concerning this?

Joel

[piranha45]

I just glanced over the out line of the "injurous species" and snake heads are all illegal to import with out a permit. Permits are only issued to zoo's, medical research and perhaps a couple other situations. It also states it's a fedreal offence to transport a snake head from one state to another. (wonder how that's inforced) I couldn't find any specific information about existing snake heads that were all ready hear before the ban was put in action. I would think that if it is illegal to import them to help prevent them from populating lakes & streams, it would also be illegal to be breeding them and selling them with in the U.S. Anyone know the facts concerning this?

Joel
"F*** the rules"


that's the mindset adopted by an enormous number of fishkeepers. there are tons of illegal fish here in texas, but that doesnt keep aquarists from owning them. You just have to keep things quiet. If you're smuggling them across state boundaries (via state-line checkpoints... i dunno if you northerners have those or not), just keep things quiet and as unnoticeable as you can.

and afterward, don't get on MFK, display information stating that you are a florida (etc.) resident, and then say "check out my snakehead pics". there's no telling if wildlife officials check fish forums for busts like this, or not.

[boredcpl]

It's a complete set up, tank lid lights, wood stand, canister filters, air pumps, heaters, common pleco, oscar, snake head, big dempsy, perhaps a couple more fish that I can't remember. I have no idea what the snake heads value is. I would love to have one, I have an empty 180 and will have a 8"x3"x30" tank running in about 2 months. I guess my question is what is a reasonable price to expect to pay for a snake head now days? $100.00? $500.00? more? And...What you mean I may be able to but snake heads over in Cincy? What is this secret you know? :naughty:

Joel....
how much does he want for that setup and how many gallons...i might go in halfs or so on the tank for you.. and if they breed them the snakeheads will cost you around 6 dollars a piece and yes for others they more than likely will ship them..they ship all of their other fish but dont know about the SH..

[boredcpl]

It's a complete set up, tank lid lights, wood stand, canister filters, air pumps, heaters, common pleco, oscar, snake head, big dempsy, perhaps a couple more fish that I can't remember. I have no idea what the snake heads value is. I would love to have one, I have an empty 180 and will have a 8"x3"x30" tank running in about 2 months. I guess my question is what is a reasonable price to expect to pay for a snake head now days? $100.00? $500.00? more? And...What you mean I may be able to but snake heads over in Cincy? What is this secret you know? :naughty:

Joel....
how much does he want for that setup ...i might go in halfs or so on the tank for you.. and if they breed them the snakeheads will cost you around 6 dollars a piece and yes for others they more than likely will ship them..they ship all of their other fish but dont know about the SH..

[Ornatapinnis]

It's a 125 with u/g & canisters, wood stand, lids/lights, heaters. It is worth about 250 or 300. He want's $600.00 for the whole set up. THat goes back to my origanal question, it a large snake head worth 250 or 300? Also, if your in the market for a tank, I have a 90 and a few 125's I'd part with pretty cheep. THis is not the correct forum for this subject to be discussed in so if you would like some additional info pm me thanks..Joel

[contender]

how bout in the EU ? or UK?

going price for sh , various species?

is there a lot of them?

[piranha45]

THat goes back to my origanal question, it a large snake head worth 250 or 300?l
NO! no no no no no.


on top of that, that guy's snakehead is only about 6 months old. they grow 2-3" a month when young, don't slow down till around 2 feet.

[Ornatapinnis]

That's kindo what I thought. It's a cool fish but I didn't think it was worth that much. Perhaps after a few months of not being able to sell the set up, he'll drop the price down a little.

[boredcpl]

here in a few months if you still want one i will sell you one for a 100 or so..ill buy 3-4 of them for 20-30 dollars and grow them to that size for you.. or you can pm me and we can get together at the fish store and buy them cheap..you live close enough..im right over in lawrenceburg,IN close to the casino..

[beblondie]

Just my ten cents worth -Anne
SUMMARY: The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service adds all species of
snakehead fishes in the Channidae family to the list of injurious fish,
mollusks, and crustaceans. By this action, the Service prohibits the
importation into or transportation between the continental United
States, the District of Columbia, Hawaii, the Commonwealth of Puerto
Rico, or any territory or possession of the United States. The best
available information indicates that this action is necessary to
protect wildlife and wildlife resources from the purposeful or
accidental introduction and subsequent establishment of snakehead
populations in ecosystems of the United States. Live snakehead fishes
or viable eggs can be imported only by permit for scientific, medical,
educational, or zoological purposes, or without a permit by Federal
agencies solely for their own use; permits will also be required for
the interstate transportation of live snakeheads or viable eggs
currently held in the United States, for scientific, medical,
educational, or zoological purposes. This final rule becomes effective
immediately upon publication.

LIL blonde girl summary of the above :Federal law only prohibits importation Into the United states,The district of Columbia and the commonwealth of puerto rico and transportation across state lines.Therefore If i live in a state ie. WI and there are no local ordinances against posession its legal for me to keep snakeheads as long as I purchase them localy ie within the state borders-Anne

Heres agreat example its was illegal to buy, sell or posess snakeheads in the city of Chicago before it was illegal to buy,sell or have in your posession in the state of Illinois

Federal law prohibits importation or transportation across state lines
for any of the following:
Channa amphibeus - Chel snakehead;
Channa argus - Northern snakehead;
Channa asiatica - Chinese snakehead;
Channa aurantimaculata - Orangespotted snakehead;
Channa bankanensis - Bangka snakehead;
Channa baramensis - Baram snakehead;
Channa barca - Barca snakehead;
Channa bleheri -Rainbow snakehead;
Channa burmanica - Burmese snakehead
Channa cyanospilos - Bluespotted snakehead;
Channa gachua - Dwarf snakehead;
Channa harcourtbutleri - Inle snakehead;
Channa lucius - Splendid snakehead;
Channa maculata - Blotched snakehead;
Channa marulius - Bullseye snakehead;
Channa maruloides - Emperor snakehead;
Channa melanoptera - Blackfinned snakehead;
Channa melasoma - Black snakehead;
Channa micropeltes - Giant snakehead;
Channa nox – Night snakehead;
Channa orientalis - Ceylon snakehead;
Channa panaw – Panaw snakehead;
Channa pleurophthalmus - Ocellated snakehead;
Channa punctata - Spotted snakehead;
Channa stewartii - Golden snakehead;
Channa striata - Chevron snakehead;
Parachanna africana - Niger snakehead;
Parachanna insignis - Congo snakehead; and
Parachanna obscura - African snakehead
banned
State laws:
The following states have laws, or have proposed laws on the table banning
the possession, sale of Snakeheads:
Alabama, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Kentucky, Mississippi, Nevada, Oregon, Texas, Utah, Michigan, Maryland, New Jersey, Indiana, Kansas, North Carolina,Virginia, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Tennessee,Ohio,New york,Hawaii and * Ontario Canada
http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/regs/part180.html
*may be imported and kept but needs a license

Digest of Federal Resource Laws of Interest to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service

The law covers all fish and wildlife and their parts or products, and plants protected by the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species and those protected by State law. Commercial guiding and outfitting are considered to be a sale under the provisions of the Act.

Felony criminal sanctions are provided for violations involving imports or exports, or violations of a commercial nature in which the value of the wildlife is in excess of $350. A misdemeanor violation was established, with a fine of up to $10,000 and imprisonment of up to 1 year, or both. Civil penalties up to $10,000 were provided. However, the Criminal Fines Improvement Act of 1987 increased the fines under the Lacey Act for misdemeanors to a maximum of $100,000 for individuals and $200,000 for organizations. Maximum fines for felonies were increased to $250,000 for individuals and $500,000 for organizations.

Rewards are authorized for information leading to arrests, criminal convictions, civil penalties, or the forfeitures of property, and for payment of costs of temporary care for fish, wildlife, or plants regarding a civil or criminal proceeding. Strict liability is established for forfeiture of illegal fish, wildlife or plants, and marking requirements for shipments of fish and wildlife must conform to modern commercial practices.

Now after reading the above really is it worth it?

[bluedempsey]

Rewards are authorized for information leading to arrests, criminal convictions, civil penalties, or the forfeitures of property, and for payment of costs of temporary care for fish, wildlife, or plants regarding a civil or criminal proceeding. Strict liability is established for forfeiture of illegal fish, wildlife or plants, and marking requirements for shipments of fish and wildlife must conform to modern commercial practices.

ok everyone who has a snakehead in those states pm me!
i need some money for a new ray... they offer rewards! :eek:
:ROFL:

[clare]

Sadly you can find many shops in England willing to sell you red snakeheads in multiples with no other warning than they will grow big.£5 or about $9 is an expensive price.

[michael]

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[Im4u2nV]

in my local area, you can found babies red snakehead in substitute for your regular feeders...an equivalent of US 20 cents for a plastic bag of 20 or so 1" red snake head...

[guppy]

For the record, MFK cannot support or encourage the sale of snakeheads or asian arowannas within the USA, the feds have been known to monitor sites like this one and that is something you need to bear in mind.