24/7 New Water changer (chemical Way)

[neoprodigy]

in my old article DIY : 24/7 New Water Drip System (http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19920) it works great for chlorine. but when i found out about Chloramine in my water. That system will be useless when chloramine is in the water.

So i start looking for NH2CL (Chloramine) Filters (http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67230) but it will leave ammonia in the water. and its expensive in a long to replace the filter.

I call up my good friend JohnPTC. he mention to me about a dosing system call Dosmatic that he is using.

Here is what you need

Dosmatic MiniDos 1%
Seachem Prime
In-line 1 Micron filter
Water Container (for diluted prime)
In-line Carbon (Optional)
In-line UV Sterlizer (optional)
Pressure Gauge (Optional )
1/4 Tubing


Here is a diagram (click diagram to enlarge)

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/mfkarticle/247chemical/dosmatic-diagram-small.jpg (http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/mfkarticle/247chemical/dosmatic-diagram.jpg)

What is Dosmatic MiniDos 1% (http://www.dosmatic.com/index.php?page=products/animal-health)



The new MiniDos™ Professional series has raised the bar for nNon-electrical, water-driven, proportional injectors. Many years of customer feedback and comments culminated in the next generation of injectors with:

Higher operating pressure,
Higher flows, reduced pressure loss,
Improved mixing and
Greatly enhanced overall chemical compatibility.

Flow Rate: 0.03 gpm - 12 gpm or 0,11 lpm - 45 lpm
Injection Rate: 0.20% - 1.00% or 1:500 - 1:100
Operating pressure: 6.0 – 100 psi or 0,41 – 6,9 bar
Inlet/Outlet: ¾” npt , ¾” bsp

What is Seachem Prime (http://www.seachem.com/products/product_pages/Prime.html)

Prime™ is the complete and concentrated conditioner for both fresh and salt water. Prime™ removes chlorine, chloramine and ammonia. Prime™ converts ammonia into a safe, non-toxic form that is readily removed by the tank’s biofilter. Prime™ may be used during tank cycling to alleviate ammonia/nitrite toxicity. Prime™ detoxifies nitrite and nitrate, allowing the biofilter to more efficiently remove them. It will also detoxify any heavy metals found in the tap water at typical concentration levels.Prime™ also promotes the production and regeneration of the natural slime coat. Prime™ is non-acidic and will not impact pH. Prime™ will not overactivate skimmers. Use at start-up and whenever adding or replacing water

Use 1 capful (5 mL) for each 200 L (50 gallons*) of new water.
Here is how a Dosmatic Works

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/mfkarticle/247chemical/howdosmaticworks.gif

Prime is a highly concentrated solution.

1 capful (5 mL) for each 200 L = 1: 40,000

Dosmatic MinoDos 1% have a lowest injection rate at 1:500 so you need to diluted the prime with RO/Distill water.

Although Dosmatic has a 4ML model (1:4000) but you still need to dilute the prime and the cost of the machine is 3x more.

i did some calculation for Dosmatic MiniDos 1% when its set at 1:500. You need to Dilute Prime 1:80 first before pump in the the Dosmatic MinoDos 1%


here is the final product

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/mfkarticle/247chemical/final.jpg



UPDATE : NEW Dosing / Injector Machine 24/7 New Water Changer : Chemilizer (http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186189&highlight=chemilizer)

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=272354&d=1225413549

[dookie]

That's a neat gadget but it would be one expensive mistake if it fails to dose correctly for me. I will stay with the old fashion method.

[Gr8KarmaSF]

Great new article....makes the giant sponge on my 360 seem weak now!


lol

[neoprodigy]

That's a neat gadget but it would be one expensive mistake if it fails to dose correctly for me. I will stay with the old fashion method.
prime can dose up to 5 times the normal dosage

, a double dose may be used safely. To detoxify nitrite in an emergency, up to 5 times normal dose may be used.

[Nate77]

looks interesting.

[redtailfool]

maybe one day ill have that setup ..

[neoprodigy]

let me know... i can do a neoprodigy-in-home-service LOL

[unknownuza13]

let me know... i can do a neoprodigy-in-home-service LOL

I will keep that in mind once they convert over to using chloramine in my water next year.:(

[neoprodigy]

let me know chris... once you order everything i can setup up in couple hours... :)

[davo]

let me know... i can do a neoprodigy-in-home-service LOL

do you visit the UK?
Great article, interesting read.

[neoprodigy]

do you visit the UK?
Great article, interesting read.
sure... im shooting for uk next year... ;)

[katfishguy]

Awesome job Li !!

[ewurm]

I'm sure you could rig that thing up to mix drinks too. I'll have a Bourbon and Coke, hold the Prime.

[redtailfool]

let me know... i can do a neoprodigy-in-home-service LOL

LOL... i expect nothing less... ;)

Seriously, I know you've spent considerable time on this project and its a great diy. You are the man for taking the time out and figuring out the details on this one.

[Nic]

let me know... i can do a neoprodigy-in-home-service LOL

gonna help me with mine ;)

I guess this thread means it is working and I can start ordering my stuff.....

[neoprodigy]

Awesome job Li !!
thanks... now you gotta setup your nishant!

[neoprodigy]

I'm sure you could rig that thing up to mix drinks too. I'll have a Bourbon and Coke, hold the Prime.
that is possible ! dosmatic is a almost "food" grade machine

[neoprodigy]

LOL... i expect nothing less... ;)

Seriously, I know you've spent considerable time on this project and its a great diy. You are the man for taking the time out and figuring out the details on this one.
yeah... it was hard to understand at first... i cant give enuff thanks to JohnPTC for making this possible :)

[neoprodigy]

gonna help me with mine ;)

I guess this thread means it is working and I can start ordering my stuff.....
let me know nic.. :)

[ufo_paul]

Dave i dont no if you have this problem but in london we have got the problem with doing water changes at the weekend as our water authorities are using more chemicals to make up for the more water demands at the weekend. (crazy)

[ufo_paul]

Where abouts you heading for in the uk neo....?

[Sarin9390]

cool

[jayvee_austin]

i wish i could have that kind of set-up here in my place

[ScullCraca]

:DGreat thread Neo. I am going to think about using on my next big set up! It looks like it would be a great set up for any larger tanks.:eek:

[cichlaguapote]

How much noise does that Dosmatic Mini make? I'd like to design my next setup with one but don't want any annoying sounds besides the normal for a fish tank.

[neoprodigy]

the sound is very minimal.. you only heard the click when the doser inject into the water mixing chamber.. i will cap a video for you...

[cichlaguapote]

Cool. As long as it's not super loud. :)

[duke33]

Now we're steping up in the world, Wow, I'll wait till the price goes down. LOL

[cichlaguapote]

Now we're steping up in the world, Wow, I'll wait till the price goes down. LOL

Yeah the Dosmatic Mini is like $295.00 :(

[duke33]

Yeah the Dosmatic Mini is like $295.00 :( yeah, to rich for my pocket.

[cichlaguapote]

Li no aging barrel in this setup?

[Nic]

nope straight from dose matics

[cichlaguapote]

nope straight from dose matics

Thanks Li! :) j/k but thanks for answering that. Figured but wanted to make sure. Shouldn't have forgot it's Li's busy time of the year..

[neoprodigy]

Yeah the Dosmatic Mini is like $295.00 :(

yeah, to rich for my pocket.

189 was the cheapest i found...

[neoprodigy]

Li no aging barrel in this setup?
the aged barrel was good when it was chlorine and i have only 1 tank... now i have multiple tanks and chromine... so aged barrel is useless..

so i replace the aged barrel with the dosmatic

[cichlaguapote]

the aged barrel was good when it was chlorine and i have only 1 tank... now i have multiple tanks and chromine... so aged barrel is useless..

so i replace the aged barrel with the dosmatic

That's what I thought.. common sense told me dosmatic takes care of it but thanks for confirming. I'll shop around for best price on dosmatic also. Thanks!

[neoprodigy]

QC Supplies is the cheapest i found at $198

http://www.qcsupply.com/Products/13312.aspx

[hightowerpc]

Hello everyone. I am new to mfk.

[cichlaguapote]

Hello everyone. I am new to mfk.

Welcome, make your way to our Introduction Section here:


http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=54

[steelhead123]

I am so building this.

[flamenco-t]

Just got my dosmatic 1% pump today and I am setting up my dripper and I want to make sure I double check a few things before I get started.

1. I am planning to do 2 GPH ~ 50 Gallon per day dripper. How much mixture of prime do I need to dilute to my RODI water in a 5 gallon bucket ?

I noticed on Neo's thread he recommend 1:80 for Prime. So I need to do 1ml of prime per 80 ml of RO/DI water ?

2. Are you guys running any 110V solenoid to prevent overflowing in the event of a power loss ? Assuming you are running a pump to drain excess water out. if so, where do you mount the solenoid ? does the Dosmatic requires priming if water stop flowing ?

So far, here's the order of what I am going to do...

Tap Water Source - Shut off valve - Pressure Regulator - 1 Micro Filter - Dosmatic - RO valve solenoid - Dripper.

Should I used a shut off valve before and after the dosmatic per dosmatic instruction ?

Any advice, tips or other input are greatly appreciated..

stan

[neoprodigy]

Just got my dosmatic 1% pump today and I am setting up my dripper and I want to make sure I double check a few things before I get started.

1. I am planning to do 2 GPH ~ 50 Gallon per day dripper. How much mixture of prime do I need to dilute to my RODI water in a 5 gallon bucket ?

I noticed on Neo's thread he recommend 1:80 for Prime. So I need to do 1ml of prime per 80 ml of RO/DI water ?

2. Are you guys running any 110V solenoid to prevent overflowing in the event of a power loss ? Assuming you are running a pump to drain excess water out. if so, where do you mount the solenoid ? does the Dosmatic requires priming if water stop flowing ?

So far, here's the order of what I am going to do...

Tap Water Source - Shut off valve - Pressure Regulator - 1 Micro Filter - Dosmatic - RO valve solenoid - Dripper.

Should I used a shut off valve before and after the dosmatic per dosmatic instruction ?

Any advice, tips or other input are greatly appreciated..

stan

how many tanks you running?

if you set it at 1:500 - the dilute prime is 1:80 which is like 1cup prime to 5gallon distilled water. then you caculate the drips to get how many gallon per day.

i dont use solenoid since im dripping 24/7 and water overflow by gravity anyway.. so i dont worry about power lost...

you should have atlease a shutoff after the water source... so you can change the micon filter... after is optional... but if your dripper can shut off.. the it can act like a shut off valve..

how you get the water out? by pumping or the gravity overflow?

[flamenco-t]

how many tanks you running?


Just 1 tank



if you set it at 1:500 - the dilute prime is 1:80 which is like 1cup prime to 5gallon distilled water. then you caculate the drips to get how many gallon per day.


1 Cup of Prime to 5 Gallon of water..Got it.

I am doing 48 gallons per day. So each bacth will last me approximately or 10 days. Am I correct ?


i dont use solenoid since im dripping 24/7 and water overflow by gravity anyway.. so i dont worry about power lost...

you should have atlease a shutoff after the water source... so you can change the micon filter... after is optional... but if your dripper can shut off.. the it can act like a shut off valve..


I will have a shutoff immediately after the water tap source. When you do service the filter pre Dosmatic Pump, do I need to re-prime the dosmatic to get it going again ? or will a simple water pressure get it going again ? iam not sure if my dripper can shut off, it's a simple $ 4 piece from the sprinkler dept at home depot.


how you get the water out? by pumping or the gravity overflow?

I am getting water out by a pump and float switch, that's why i am running a solenoid. I will be running 2 pumps as well, just in case of a power loss and one pump will not re-start.

My sump can handle 30 gallon is of water to the top rim, which is about 15 hours of dripping. I should be home by then :)

[neoprodigy]

I am doing 48 gallons per day. So each bacth will last me approximately or 10 days. Am I correct ?


no, so when you have 5 gallon of distilled prime.. and you run it at 1:500 so 5 x 500 = 2500 gallon of treated water and you will get about 52 days worth.



I will have a shutoff immediately after the water tap source. When you do service the filter pre Dosmatic Pump, do I need to re-prime the dosmatic to get it going again ? or will a simple water pressure get it going again ? iam not sure if my dripper can shut off, it's a simple $ 4 piece from the sprinkler dept at home depot.



its all done water pressure..





I am getting water out by a pump and float switch, that's why i am running a solenoid. I will be running 2 pumps as well, just in case of a power loss and one pump will not re-start.

My sump can handle 30 gallon is of water to the top rim, which is about 15 hours of dripping. I should be home by then :)

that is one way... of doing it... you can add an UPS just incase..

you can also make a overflow that drip into a air conditioner condenser pump ... and also a UPS. :)

[flamenco-t]

52 Days worth ? Sweet....I forgot the 1:500 rate when I did my calculation :)

I may do the UPS thing. I figured in the event of a power loss, I want all system to shut down anyway and I cna double check to make sure everything is in order when I re-start the system.

Thanks again neo..

I'll post some pics when I am done..

stan

[neoprodigy]

52 Days worth ? Sweet....I forgot the 1:500 rate when I did my calculation :)

I may do the UPS thing. I figured in the event of a power loss, I want all system to shut down anyway and I cna double check to make sure everything is in order when I re-start the system.

Thanks again neo..

I'll post some pics when I am done..

stan
you should plug few essential equipment into the ups any way..

[epicentyr]

1. I am planning to do 2 GPH ~ 50 Gallon per day dripper. How much mixture of prime do I need to dilute to my RODI water in a 5 gallon bucket ?


If you are using RO/DI for your WC why do you need Prime? RO/DI is perfectly pure water there should not be any chlorine ammonia or chloramines. Am I mistaken?

[neoprodigy]

If you are using RO/DI for your WC why do you need Prime? RO/DI is perfectly pure water there should not be any chlorine ammonia or chloramines. Am I mistaken?
i think he is using the RO/DI for diluting the prime..

[neoprodigy]

Filter System At H20 Custom Aquatics (http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132597)

[flamenco-t]

i think he is using the RO/DI for diluting the prime..

YES

[XguppyX]

seems expencive..

[ozz465]

I thought i would revive this thred, as im thinking about making a similar set up for my tanks . very nice neo.

[Lissaspence]

I would love to do something like this but it seems so complicated. Not sure I'm smart enought to figure it out just by reading about it.

[xhaidbet]

great gadget but looks expensive. but i wonder where to get those in my place. maybe someday i'll try

[neoprodigy]

great gadget but looks expensive. but i wonder where to get those in my place. maybe someday i'll try
1 gallon prime = $50
chemilizer = $200ish
prefiler = $50
water lines , drip emiiter, water container = $50ish

so it will be around 300-400 to get this thing running....

[westle]

I'm thinking about running the Dosmatic system. How has it been working and have you had any problems with it?

[neoprodigy]

I'm thinking about running the Dosmatic system. How has it been working and have you had any problems with it?
i switch from domatics to chemilizer with 1:500 fixed piston... as a diaphram injector.... it will last longer...

[westle]

Thanks for the info I think I will order one
Chemilizer Fixed Rate Fertilizer Injector HN55

[westle]

Just one more question
How many gallons worth of tanks are you running and how much water is your Chemilizer changing in a day?

Great info Li

[piranhakeeper69]

interseting, but not for me.

[fishbum]

Just one more question
How many gallons worth of tanks are you running and how much water is your Chemilizer changing in a day?

Great info Li
ttt

[westle]

I just ordered my Chemilizer HN55 1:500 and would like to know what your system is running.

[westle]

My Chemillizer just came in today, should have it running by the weekend

Thanks Li

Sean

[Austin]

looking forward to seeing your setup

[westle]

Just when you think you have all the parts you need, never fails off to home Depot I go. Here's how far I got. I still have to put the pump on the Chemillizer but that's last

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff317/skwestle/Auto%20Water%20Change%20Chemillizer/DSCN1796.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff317/skwestle/Auto%20Water%20Change%20Chemillizer/DSCN1799.jpg

[neoprodigy]

awesome... did you get the 1:500 fix ratio?

[westle]

Yes it's the 1:500 :)

[westle]

Did my first water change with the new system tonight. NO LEAKS
I have it set up to do 2 15 water changes for now till I am sure everything is right.
Here's some pics of the final set-up

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff317/skwestle/Auto%20Water%20Change%20Chemillizer/DSCN1837.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff317/skwestle/Auto%20Water%20Change%20Chemillizer/DSCN1831-1-1.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff317/skwestle/Auto%20Water%20Change%20Chemillizer/DSCN1833.jpg

[neoprodigy]

looks good... can you post the flow chart of what is what...

[neoprodigy]

how you setup your crushed coral?

[westle]

I attached a tube inside the filter so it pushes the water down through the crushed coral in the canister. I half filled the canister

[neoprodigy]

I attached a tube inside the filter so it pushes the water down through the crushed coral in the canister. I half filled the canister
ah.... i like that idea!

[Chemilizer]

thanks for your recommendation.

[Austin]

i think i'm gonna go the chemlizer route also. they're cheaper than the dosmatic. i've got all the parts except it, so soon hopefully...

[westle]

I must say it is a very awesome unit

[Chemilizer]

Chemilizer also has a better warranty. They last longer because chemicals only go through the pump, not the motor.

http://www.chemilizer.com/warranty.html
http://www.chemilizer.com/testimonials.html

[westle]

Thanks Nina