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MikeB09
10-13-2005, 10:43 PM
What is wrong with my FireMouth Chiclids i feed them three times aday and i have a 60 gallon fliter on a 29 gallon tank.i Bought them because i thought they would be intresting but now i want to selll them for somthing new.Does anyone have ideas on freshwater 29 gallon semi aggressive but will leave my pleco alone
piranha45
10-13-2005, 10:46 PM
if firemouths dont please you, i think you are just not the fishkeeping sort. you can try small african cichlids like mbuna or tanganyikans but they'll prolly bore you too, if firemouths do.
astronatus
10-13-2005, 10:46 PM
so the problem is that they bother your pleco? They can be pretty territorial. Maybe trade them at a fish store towards some gourami or something more peaceful
sandtiger
10-14-2005, 12:07 AM
Try getting a small schooling fish, some kind of small fast tetra or minnow. They may concentrate their efforts on the faster fish but not actually be able to catch them. This should also bring them out more. I have firemouths...love them. Maybe your just not a cichlid guy.
Peanut_Power
10-14-2005, 12:28 AM
Crenicichla compressiceps, Crenicichla regani, Crenicichla notophalotus (sp)...just to name a few options...or try a different Thorichthyses...;)...like aureous blue or sumptin...:P
Fish_are_fishfood
10-14-2005, 4:56 PM
im not sure
HAHAHAH, your just trying to raise your post count for the raffle.
Well, if you find any other good fish, I don't know if you read my other thread about how I am getting a 30gallon, but let me know. What was wrong with the firemouths, they seem like cool fish and they were the ones to which I was thinking about getting, I am just curious...
AngelicGreenTerror
10-14-2005, 5:03 PM
HAHAHAH, your just trying to raise your post count for the raffle.
Well, if you find any other good fish, I don't know if you read my other thread about how I am getting a 30gallon, but let me know. What was wrong with the firemouths, they seem like cool fish and they were the ones to which I was thinking about getting, I am just curious...
Firemouths are cowards at first but look at a tank and pick out the largest firemouth.. I had one which BlueDempsey as at the moment, which his colors were really nice, a good (bad) dominant fish that chased the other fish around.. I am certainly enjoying the firemouth I have now... OH! and Bluedempsey, how is the firemouth doing anyways?
managuense-fury
10-14-2005, 5:54 PM
Firemouths are cowards at first but look at a tank and pick out the largest firemouth.. I had one which BlueDempsey as at the moment, which his colors were really nice, a good (bad) dominant fish that chased the other fish around.. I am certainly enjoying the firemouth I have now... OH! and Bluedempsey, how is the firemouth doing anyways?
I am sure bluedempsey is taking real good care of it. :grinno:
DeLgAdO
10-14-2005, 5:56 PM
if firemouths dont please you, i think you are just not the fishkeeping sort. you can try small african cichlids like mbuna or tanganyikans but they'll prolly bore you too, if firemouths do.
p45 quit being an *******
Peanut_Power
10-14-2005, 6:41 PM
I agree with him to a certain extent..lol...if firemouths don't interest him...africans will bore him....EVIL AFRICANS!!
I used to be into firemouths, but for some reason turned off of them?!?!
I liked them most for their breeding characteristics but i got Oscars instead, i think its because i only get fish that grow to over 20cm :D
DanDanUK
10-14-2005, 6:44 PM
What is wrong with my FireMouth Chiclids i feed them three times aday and i have a 60 gallon fliter on a 29 gallon tank.i Bought them because i thought they would be intresting but now i want to selll them for somthing new.Does anyone have ideas on freshwater 29 gallon semi aggressive but will leave my pleco alone
Boo Firemouth are like a fine wine ! they only get better with age !
Peanut_Power
10-14-2005, 6:48 PM
True that.....my male when he died...got beat up...sucked...anyway...he was almost a year and a half old and I swear he was show quality...absolutely loved him. Sooo much red, and NICE trailers! Almost tempted to get back into them, but all the ones i see for sale around here are not that hot...;)
gomezladdams
10-14-2005, 6:52 PM
A lot of cichlids need time to get used to the tank and establish territory before they get interesting.
Goatilla
10-14-2005, 7:08 PM
maybe you should try a non cichlid like a bichir!
sandtiger
10-14-2005, 10:40 PM
Bichirs are hella boreing compaired to most cichlids.
Fish_are_fishfood
10-14-2005, 10:57 PM
What sized tank does a bichir need? 50?
Mourinho18
10-14-2005, 11:17 PM
Africans aren't boring guy. They're really awesome infact. They're like a small soap opera type if kept it groups. You see them nipping everyone around and jockeying for territory and showing everybody who's boss. Africans rock.
Mourinho18
10-14-2005, 11:17 PM
If you want something that won't bore you, then you can try Oscars. They're supposed to be personable little suckers. :thumbsup:
sandtiger
10-15-2005, 12:01 AM
What sized tank does a bichir need? 50?
Depends on the species I would assume. The ones you normally see in stores...ornate bichers I think need about 50-55g.
Chad55
10-15-2005, 12:26 AM
I have seen his firemouths before and they well SUCK! They NEVER come out. I have had africans and many other cichlids and these are just abnormal. They have been in the tank since easter so it isnt that they arent used to the tank. I think he just got some bad fish because my bestfriend had a firemouth that was much better than these guys. His actually came out and swam around these ones just always sit behind the bricks. Is it possible that his fish have been sick the whole time he has had them because he got them from petco at the same time. I dont know what to do except get new fish.
Chad
guppy
10-15-2005, 12:45 AM
How about some kind of apistogramma? At least they would fit the tank and I think they are pretty.
sandtiger
10-15-2005, 12:57 AM
I have seen his firemouths before and they well SUCK! They NEVER come out. I have had africans and many other cichlids and these are just abnormal. They have been in the tank since easter so it isnt that they arent used to the tank. I think he just got some bad fish because my bestfriend had a firemouth that was much better than these guys. His actually came out and swam around these ones just always sit behind the bricks. Is it possible that his fish have been sick the whole time he has had them because he got them from petco at the same time. I dont know what to do except get new fish.
Chad
I had a friend who had two Texas cichlid who acted the same way. Once dither fish were introduced they started swimming around more, defending territorys and chasing the fish. Try it, I am almost 100% positive it will work.
AngelicGreenTerror
10-15-2005, 10:42 AM
I have seen his firemouths before and they well SUCK! They NEVER come out. I have had africans and many other cichlids and these are just abnormal. They have been in the tank since easter so it isnt that they arent used to the tank. I think he just got some bad fish because my bestfriend had a firemouth that was much better than these guys. His actually came out and swam around these ones just always sit behind the bricks. Is it possible that his fish have been sick the whole time he has had them because he got them from petco at the same time. I dont know what to do except get new fish.
Chad
No, there is really no such thing as a bad fish, except if it eats other fish... But every fish has a different personality... Like his firemouths are just shy and probably come out when he isn't around.... They may also still be adjusting.. So don't go there Chad, as it can take awhile for fish to adjust to the surroundings to where they are not shy.
Chad55
10-15-2005, 7:54 PM
He has dithers in there too. He has 3 tiger barbs they are kinda wierd too.
Peanut_Power
10-16-2005, 12:17 AM
Screw them all and just get some Crenicichla.....problem solved! :D
sandtiger
10-16-2005, 12:36 AM
Peanut_Power...your SN should be Pike_Power. It that your answer to everything? Get a Crenicichla?:)
"I'm thirsty mom" ..."Get a crenicichla".
"Hey man, I am bored...what do you wanna do?"...."Get a crencichla"
BTW...your new avatar gets me all excited.
fishnthings
10-16-2005, 1:02 AM
:ROFL: LOL no way....thats great :ROFL:
Peanut_Power
10-16-2005, 1:09 AM
Peanut_Power...your SN should be Pike_Power. It that your answer to everything? Get a Crenicichla?:)
"I'm thirsty mom" ..."Get a crenicichla".
"Hey man, I am bored...what do you wanna do?"...."Get a crencichla"
BTW...your new avatar gets me all excited.
ROFL!! Represent!! LoL! Pikes for life!! Miz has the 'complimentary' avatar to mine...lol....
Mourinho18
10-16-2005, 1:19 AM
Peanut_Power...your SN should be Pike_Power. It that your answer to everything? Get a Crenicichla?:)
"I'm thirsty mom" ..."Get a crenicichla".
"Hey man, I am bored...what do you wanna do?"...."Get a crencichla"
BTW...your new avatar gets me all excited.
:ROFL: , its only funny because its so true.
Peanut_Power
10-16-2005, 1:19 AM
See....lol...check it out! Silly goober! Get a Crenicichla!....LoL. I can't help it! They are just tight cichlids!
fishnthings
10-16-2005, 1:49 AM
yes they are, i saw some nice lookin orange pikes at my lfs about 4''s long for 6.99 is that a good price, i wouldnt mind putting a few in a planted 29,ever had em?
Peanut_Power
10-16-2005, 1:54 AM
Yup...well...actually no...i thought i had them...but turns out i had Crenicichla sp. 'xingu III'...the ones you are talkin about are Crenicichla sp. 'xingu I'...orange pike. Great fishies. They get large though, so 29gal isn't gonna cut it. They are kinda aunry as far as pikes goes as well. 125 would be big enough for life...but a bigger tank would help break up aggression. I would buy them all, that way they could pair up naturally, and it would help to remove aggression better. That is a great price too, specially at that size. Also know that as they get larger they are gonna change color....adults don't look like juv...this is the way it is wit most Lugubris pikes...;). Do a good on Crenicichla xingu I or Crenicichla sp. xingu I....should get plenty of info. Click on the images tab to see pictures! ;)
fishnthings
10-16-2005, 2:08 AM
lol, buying them all would mean id have to house 50+pike, but wonder how long you i could keep 4 or 5 in a 29 any idea, my 220 isnt even set up yet, its been empty for almost a yr now, lol, brand new too. i want to make that a planted tank, and im betting some nice adult pike would make a nice addition to it! thanks for the info man, i think ill go pick a few up tho, ill get pics later;)
Peanut_Power
10-16-2005, 2:13 AM
get at least 5 of them. That will help to break down the aggression and allow them to pair up. Get some 1" PVC pipe and cut it into 6" segments....then put it all over the tank. Pikes are out of sight out of mind cichlids...they don't see the problem...they leave them alone. They have high conspecific aggression though...so it can be tricky. They will 'school' together till they hit about 6 or so inches without to much aggression. But once they hit subadult watch out...aggression goes up...especially as they pair up. You'll have to get rid of the ones that don't pair up probably. Also, pikes are great for planted tankz cuz they don't really dig and stuff..so good choice. Only problem is they are very carnivorous and will try to eat fish...even if they may be to big. Elastic stomachs are a great adaptation for them. They can be anal towards other tankmates as well....and don't back down from a fight usually...so you gotta choose tank mates carefully. Even then its a hit and miss. Hope that helps....btw...they will be aight in that 29 gal for about two months tops....they grow fast...;)
fishnthings
10-16-2005, 2:18 AM
wow, ok, ill have to keep em in a 75 then, guess the rbp goes back to his 29;)...... I can tell their eyes are too big for their stomachs, when i was at the shop one of the pikes was trying to swallow a rubberband the same size as it was... that was amusing
fishnthings
10-16-2005, 2:19 AM
o ya, thanks for the info tho, wasnt exactly sure what a orange pike was.....and pike out there that have alot of color as adults?
Peanut_Power
10-16-2005, 2:29 AM
The xingu I will still be attractive as adults....don't get me wrong....I'll post some pictures of some adult xingu I. I personally am fond of Crenicichla marmorata, Crenicichla lenticulata, Crenicichla sp. 'atabapo', Crenicichla sp. 'cobra', and Crenicichla acutorostris....some of the best lookin pikes out there...;)
Peanut_Power
10-16-2005, 2:31 AM
Here is an adult pair of xingu I...the top is a male, the bottom pink one is a female...;)
fishnthings
10-16-2005, 2:35 AM
those are nice looking, unfortunatley my lfs is closed tom, ahhhhhhhh,,,, uh well i gotta set up some tanks....... cant wait to get a few tho
Peanut_Power
10-16-2005, 2:43 AM
They will amaze you man...seriously. They are probably some of the kewlest fish you will ever keep. won't be disappointed. Its kewl to see just how much they will eat....:)...mine look like they are gonna pop each night after i get done feeding...lol...sooo full.
fishnthings
10-16-2005, 2:49 AM
i bet they will, looked like they had some personality to em, how big are they gonna be when they start to loose their color?
Peanut_Power
10-16-2005, 3:02 AM
They start their color change at about 5 to 6"....then they change color again around 8 to 10"....the first change is the subadult colors...last change is the adult...;)