View Full Version : baby Xanthic Jag pic up-date **WHAT YA THINK?**
What do you think of them people?
1st pic is daddy:D & 4th pic down is with no flash
Bsixxx
07-17-2007, 3:45 AM
very nice
they look weird hopefully there gunna turn out like their daddy:naughty:
if they do count me in for a couple
WyldFya
07-17-2007, 3:50 AM
Looks good. You need to breed the young against each other, and you will get some more xanthics, then breed the xanthics against each other, and you should come out with 100% xanthic babies.
Those fries look good. But how soon do we know if they will turn out to be what we hope for?
halofishboy
07-17-2007, 4:24 AM
this is when all the night owls(in cali at least) come out ha ha well great looking fish you got there
hope you next project yields xanthic jags
Modest_Man
07-17-2007, 12:22 PM
Those are definitely not xanthic.
They're all heterozygous for xanthism though (Aa). So, if you breed two of the offspring you should get 25% homozygous recessive (xanthic) and 75% normal looking (1/3 of those will be (Aa) and 2/3 of them will be (AA)). Or if you breed an offspring (Aa) with the xanthic adult (aa) you'll get 50% xanthic and 50% heterozygous.
You should be able to tell by .5" at most if they're xanthic fry. Probaby closer to .25" (1cm).
ewurm
07-17-2007, 12:29 PM
I like the parent fish, very cool. The fry don't look xanthic, but they are cool anyway.
cichlaguapote
07-17-2007, 12:36 PM
Agree don't think the fry are xanthic yet.. But you certainly own one rare fish so you have that trademarked if you can make some full xanthic fry.
Superlaz
07-17-2007, 12:37 PM
didnt your Xanthic male turn xanthic after a certain size??
softturtle
07-17-2007, 12:46 PM
didnt your Xanthic male turn xanthic after a certain size??
Yeah, I'm not sure, but I think it was like 4" or something like that.
cichlaguapote
07-17-2007, 12:48 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure, but I think it was like 4" or something like that.
Possible. I thought he bought his jag already xanthic but I'm sure he can shed light on that.
Bogwoodbruce
07-17-2007, 2:19 PM
Very nice Bolty, i hope that some of young turn out like there Dad.
benzjamin13
07-17-2007, 3:01 PM
Looks nice!
didnt your Xanthic male turn xanthic after a certain size??
Yeah, I'm not sure, but I think it was like 4" or something like that.
Possible. I thought he bought his jag already xanthic but I'm sure he can shed light on that.
I did get him at the size he is now, BUT the people i gey him from showed me pics of him and they say he started to turn at the 6inch mark, befor that he was just a nice dark striped jag.
I dont have pics of the change with my jag but have a look @ this
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67212
thanks for the replys and having a look guys;)
Opiate
07-28-2007, 10:44 PM
very niice!!!! very nice indeed!
filiportela
07-29-2007, 1:02 PM
very nice dad ;)
cichlid savage
07-29-2007, 1:25 PM
ow are the baby jags doing now. Can we get some updated pix?
Sabre_Tooth
07-29-2007, 2:14 PM
Damn nice jags!
Nate77
07-29-2007, 3:23 PM
Looking good bolty.The dad looks great.
koliveira
07-29-2007, 3:48 PM
great looking jag!!
Kory
Red Devil
07-30-2007, 3:42 PM
They are so awesome..your doing great.... keep it going .........:headbang2
Greenaveli
07-30-2007, 4:00 PM
Man Daddy looks awesome. Lets hope some of the fry turn....then you can get me a shipping quoter ill have to hop a flight.....
convict_breeder
07-30-2007, 4:25 PM
if they do turn out to be yellow tht is AWSOME if not then there still awsome cichs
reverse
07-30-2007, 8:17 PM
Can a normal fish turn xanthic after it is born normal, that does not sound right
TheMightyOscar
07-30-2007, 8:30 PM
yep, if it has the genes
reverse
07-31-2007, 7:22 AM
yep, if it has the genes
so your saying a fish could be born normal and turn albino? do you have any scientific proof or you just answer "yep" on a regular basis?
south coast nelly
07-31-2007, 10:44 AM
yay beautys shane....hows all?
Modest_Man
07-31-2007, 1:07 PM
so your saying a fish could be born normal and turn albino? do you have any scientific proof or you just answer "yep" on a regular basis?
Albinsim is different than xanthism.
An albino fish will be born albino. An xanthic fish can "morph", usually when small. Think of red devils. In the wild 90% are brown barred, but in tanks the majority are orange. All red devil fry start off barred though, and "morph" to the red form. Same deal.
so your saying a fish could be born normal and turn albino? do you have any scientific proof or you just answer "yep" on a regular basis?
my Jag was just like any other jag untill he was about 6inches, then he started going through a "change" into his Xanthic self that he is 2day
yay beautys shane....hows all?
all is well mate, selling of the "EXSESS" Jags now, some will be going your way;)
to every1 els that has replyed, a big thank you;)
TheMightyOscar
08-17-2007, 2:06 PM
so your saying a fish could be born normal and turn albino? do you have any scientific proof or you just answer "yep" on a regular basis?
read up ;)
ow are the baby jags doing now. Can we get some updated pix?
up-date
batch 3, the little 1's are all going to a new home so are in a 10G with "FUNKY" looking blue gravel!
and i never name my fish but these 2 in front of the rock i have names Reg and Ron after the Crays:grinno:
GooDyboy420
08-17-2007, 2:19 PM
I cant wait till there big babies
south coast nelly
08-17-2007, 2:25 PM
that last pic with the east end boys looks cool....dan they look evil and up to no good
they are the tank bosses, they work feed and fight as 1
*its quite funny as in the way that if there scared, when i turn the light on in the morning, tank cleaning and also at feeding time they go realy dark like the others, just thought i would say that lol.*
Can a normal fish turn xanthic after it is born normal, that does not sound right
look at post 49
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=959892#post959892
and this 1
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67212
it is true, they can change to Xanthic
cookiemonster
08-17-2007, 9:16 PM
I sure hope they turn out xanthic. That male is awesome!
I sure hope they turn out xanthic. That male is awesome!
they dont look like other Jags but i dont think "these" will be Xanthic, next time? who knows:naughty:
mudskipper
08-19-2007, 1:18 PM
if they aren't xanthic then they will at least be carrier jags. They look reg, but got xanthic genes. Cross the more you cross the latest batches to the dad, the more xantic genes u have in them
Daniel Machado
02-12-2008, 11:51 AM
Nice fishies... Daddy is amazing, BTW. :hearts:
Best regards.
Daniel.
metalslug
02-21-2008, 12:21 AM
I was looking up Rapps Jags, and he did have pics of "Gold" Jags, which looked like the 1st attempts at pure Xanthic.
goose_uk
02-21-2008, 12:36 AM
lovin that xanthic look......
Where did you get daddy from fella?
Bogwoodbruce
02-21-2008, 2:30 AM
They do have a sheen.
djdlemma
02-21-2008, 3:10 AM
Good lookin Jags!!!! Can't wait too see the next batch!!!!!
bolty
02-21-2008, 11:47 AM
I sold this fish to "MBUNAFISHKEEPER"
The "GOLD" Jags are something eles, The Xanthic Jag is a very rare colour morph, IF there are any more I would like to see it with my own eyes ! .lol...
I got him from a lady off of a free adds site, add read something like "A FULLY MATURED FEMALE JAG AS SHE HAS NOW GOT HER FULL ADULT YELLOW COLOUR", but its a male and no Jag has colour like this norm.
I bred this fish to see if I could get any more Xanthics...... all the fry come out normal, also I tryed breeding his offspring to offspring but that was a no go as well.
Modest_Man
02-21-2008, 8:57 PM
The F2 generation (offspring X offspring) should have had a 25% rate of xanthism.
The P generation would be AA (normal) X aa (xanthic) which would yeild 100% Aa heterozygous (all would look normal but carry the recessive trait). Cross Aa with Aa and you'll get 3/4 with a normal phenotype (AA, Aa, and Aa) and 1/4th would be xanthic (aa).
What did you notice when you bred the offspring?
Fishyfan
02-21-2008, 9:52 PM
any update shots or all of those fry gone?
goose_uk
02-21-2008, 10:05 PM
The F2 generation (offspring X offspring) should have had a 25% rate of xanthism.
The P generation would be AA (normal) X aa (xanthic) which would yeild 100% Aa heterozygous (all would look normal but carry the recessive trait). Cross Aa with Aa and you'll get 3/4 with a normal phenotype (AA, Aa, and Aa) and 1/4th would be xanthic (aa).
What did you notice when you bred the offspring?
:wall: woooah...that has given me a headache.....
fry bred to fry came out looking normal, no pics but i get them to around 3 - 4inches.
no 1 will no what to do to breed out the Xanthic or even if it can be done, it has never been tryed, the "The P generation would be AA (normal) X aa (xanthic) which would yeild 100% Aa heterozygous (all would look normal but carry the recessive trait). Cross Aa with Aa and you'll get 3/4 with a normal phenotype (AA, Aa, and Aa) and 1/4th would be xanthic (aa)."
may aply to EBJDs but was not looking the same for the Xanthic colour in my "OLD" Jag, MBUNAFISHKEEPER cant even get him breeding .lol...
the Xanthic will be a 1off freak and die in the tank of Howard .lol...
Hi bolty - are the jag pair I got off you F1 from the xanthic male? and is their mother the partner that you sold together with him to mbuna?
What is the biggest offspring you have raised from my pair? - If they havent made it to 6 inches yet maybe they might turn later on... - you should keep track with the people you have sold the F2 generation to and let us know!!
(btw they still arent too keen on eating yet - I think the double trip kind of annoyed them! - though they seem to be settling and doing lots of digging)
yours are from the Xanthic and wife #1, the mental over aggressive b!tch, she killed every fish I put in with her, I got shot of her when she gave the Xanthic a beating one day.
This is the Female I sold to MbunaBoy
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/bolty22/fish/Cichlids/Parachromis%20managuensis%20-%20Jaguar%20Cichlid/Female1.jpg
This is the muther to you Jags
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/bolty22/fish/Cichlids/Parachromis%20managuensis%20-%20Jaguar%20Cichlid/Female2.jpg
mbunafishkeeper
08-17-2008, 3:25 PM
The F2 generation (offspring X offspring) should have had a 25% rate of xanthism.
The P generation would be AA (normal) X aa (xanthic) which would yeild 100% Aa heterozygous (all would look normal but carry the recessive trait). Cross Aa with Aa and you'll get 3/4 with a normal phenotype (AA, Aa, and Aa) and 1/4th would be xanthic (aa).
What did you notice when you bred the offspring?thats all good but getting hold of a female of the males offspring isnt easy, the only one i know left of the size to breed is owned by ia246 and when i inquired about buying the female from him he said he wouldnt sell it and thinks that he is goin to get an xanthic out of breedin ghtat with a normal, also when he did breed her he said that the fry he was selling were Xanthic and that they had yellow in the fins.. well we all know that was bs.. because the xanthic doesnt come out in fish until they mature.
also he said h'd only sell her for the equivalent of $300 and thats more then i paid for the male himself...
thats all good but getting hold of a female of the males offspring isnt easy, the only one i know left of the size to breed is owned by ia246 and when i inquired about buying the female from him he said he wouldnt sell it and thinks that he is goin to get an xanthic out of breedin ghtat with a normal, also when he did breed her he said that the fry he was selling were Xanthic and that they had yellow in the fins.. well we all know that was bs.. because the xanthic doesnt come out in fish until they mature.
also he said h'd only sell her for the equivalent of $300 and thats more then i paid for the male himself...
I have to say I do not like you lying about me - that is VERY poor form. I am breeding the xanthic carrying female with a xanthic carrying male for starters, not a female like you state.
Secondly I have not sold any fry claiming they are xanthic - I have not sold any at all.
Thirdly I did not tell you I would sell her for $300. I simply said she is not for sale, though if you want to make me an offer feel free. I still have the PMs to prove it
You are a liar and need to learn your place.
(Incidentally for all of the decent people on here (and also happen to be in the UK to make postage possible) the fry from a xanthic carrier x xanthic carrier are now available - PM me for more info - you can clarify with Bolty that I do indeed have 2 xanthic carriers (male and female) and they have bred)
Bluejax
08-27-2008, 4:31 PM
I'd like to second this. Ian's fry are 100% from two fish carrying the xanthic gene.
Sadly Ian lost his male, but Ian's female and my male (her brother, also offspring of the original xanthic male) are currently guarding another big group of fry, so there are plenty more fry around in which to find a xanthic.
Here's my male with the babies:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/Bluejax/DSC_0055.jpg
Mbunafishkeeper! LOL! No comment.
Welcome to 'The Jag-Pot!' peeps, here's hoping you get lucky!
anthony martinez
08-27-2008, 8:39 PM
beautiful fish.
mbunafishkeeper
09-01-2008, 10:04 AM
I have to say I do not like you lying about me - that is VERY poor form. I am breeding the xanthic carrying female with a xanthic carrying male for starters, not a female like you state.
Secondly I have not sold any fry claiming they are xanthic - I have not sold any at all.
Thirdly I did not tell you I would sell her for $300. I simply said she is not for sale, though if you want to make me an offer feel free. I still have the PMs to prove it
You are a liar and need to learn your place.
(Incidentally for all of the decent people on here (and also happen to be in the UK to make postage possible) the fry from a xanthic carrier x xanthic carrier are now available - PM me for more info - you can clarify with Bolty that I do indeed have 2 xanthic carriers (male and female) and they have bred) u said on OBE they were showing yellow in fins... :bs:
and u said u would only sell her for £250 so.. dont give me that alright i havent got time for people like u soo i cba.