cloudy eye! Eeek

[Bsixxx]

allright heres the story, I was cleaning my tank where my pair of jags are and other fish in my big tank, well i noticed that my male jags left eye has like a white cover over the lens, not the outside of the eye but it looks like the inside of the eye:eek: anyway i think it was from trying to kill everything especially my asian red tail catfish and he probably received a bite from him or scraped it on some drift wood, but i really dont know. He can see just fine i think or doesnt look like hes blind in that eye, so I placed him and the female in a 55 gallon quarantine tank with a raised temp to about 86 degrees and added some melafix. anything else I could do or is that pretty much it?



thanks in advanced,

[water_baby83]

Ok I am trying to stop myself from writing another novel here, LOL, so I have hunted down some links of some older posts where this was covered, as well as added a simple chart below, with active links to the medications listed. I have at one point or another actually used most of these medications, though they are not for the beginner and you may be better off sticking to your simple widely used meds. Also, please post a picture, as right now all we can do is take a stab in the dark to figure out the issues.

But just as a side note, if the cloudiness is from the inside out - we aren't just talking possible injury or ammonia burns anymore, we are looking at possible bacterial infections or parasites. Any way to get s a good, clear picture?? There is a butt-load I could tell you right now, but I am trying to give you a "cover-all" cliffnotes version until we narrow it down. :)

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15400&highlight=cloudy+eye

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82118&highlight=cichlid+cloudy+eye
LOL and you actually posted in this one!






A). Translucent film over the lens of the eye
Could Be; http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/fish_diseases/images/if_yes.gif a gram-negative bacterial infection
Treat the fish with: Kanamycin Sulfate (http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/products2.html#Kanamycin_Sulfate) -or- Gentamycin Sulfate (http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/products2.html#Gentamycin)

http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/fish_diseases/images/if_not.gif
B). Clear to translucent film over the lens of the eye and parts of the body
Could Be;http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/fish_diseases/images/if_yes.gifProtozoan Infestation
Treat the fish with: Metronidazole (http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/products3.html#Metronidazole_Powder) -or- Quinine Sulfate (http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/products4.html#Quinine_Sulfate) -or- Nitrofuracin Green (http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/products3.html#Nitrofuracin_Green)


http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/fish_diseases/images/if_not.gif
C). The iris (around the pupil) becomes cloudy
Could Be; http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/fish_diseases/images/if_yes.gif Gram Negative bacterial infection
Treat the fish with: Amoxicillin -or- Gentamycin (http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/products2.html#Gentamycin).

http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/fish_diseases/images/if_not.gif
D). The entire eye becomes cloudy from the inside out
Could Be; http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/fish_diseases/images/if_yes.gifa parasite, i.e., flukes
Treatment: Check the tank for parasites.
If found, treat the entire tank with De-Los (http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/products.html#De-Los). The fish may lose it's eye.

[Bsixxx]

thank you waterbaby
umm it sounds like choice!

so where do i get these meds from, and how do i do the treatment if this is the case?

i wil try and get a picture in a little bit

[water_baby83]

thank you waterbaby
umm it sounds like choice!
LOL which one does it sound like? A, B, C, or D?


so where do i get these meds from, and how do i do the treatment if this is the case?
I made sure that all of the links stayed active, so clicking on any of them will bring you to the Fish Pharmaceuticles website where you can purchase them right there. They also list a brief simple-english description of the meds as well as a summarized dosing plan, however once you get the product, make sure to read the containers for the in-depth instructions before dosing anything.


i wil try and get a picture in a little bit
That would help a lot, as I said before I am only guessing right now and trying to offer many different angles to the issue before seeing a picture.

[Bsixxx]

pics
and it sounds like choice c
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[Bsixxx]

heres a video if you cant see whats going on through my crappy pictures
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o91/Bsixxx/th_Picture078-1.jpg (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o91/Bsixxx/?action=view&current=Picture078-1.flv)

[water_baby83]

Awsome video! Thank you so much! I wish more people did that!! LOL

Ok real quick though, look at the lips, was it just the lighting or is there a filmy discoloration on them as well? Also, look over the rest of the body, are there any other signs of dicoloration/film/irritation? Hard to tell when the fish is swimming around and I am not there to press my face to the glass, LOL.

And as it appears right now, I agree with you on choice "c".

[Bsixxx]

Awsome video! Thank you so much! I wish more people did that!! LOL

Ok real quick though, look at the lips, was it just the lighting or is there a filmy discoloration on them as well? Also, look over the rest of the body, are there any other signs of dicoloration/film/irritation? Hard to tell when the fish is swimming around and I am not there to press my face to the glass, LOL.

And as it appears right now, I agree with you on choice "c".

thanks glad the vid helped

but i just looked at him really close and everything else is perfect i think it was just the lighting, but there is no sores, slime, swelling, irritation from what i can see, red spots or anything in that matter that i can visibly see. i think that that filmy stuff you see on the lips or whatever is from him and his GF fighting.

[water_baby83]

i think that that filmy stuff you see on the lips or whatever is from him and his GF fighting.

Possibly, but I wanted to doble check because these infections can attack more than just the eyes and the mouth is a very common target. If there are no other physical signs of infection (on any scale) on him or the others, then yes, I think you are dealing with a Bacterial gram negative infection (which is a ver broad term) and - which by the way has many, many forms, however most medications allow for such variations when specifically formulated for these strains, so it should cover a wide range of rods.

Click on the active link for Gentamycin Sulfate (http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/products2.html#Gentamycin) Powder, and it should take you right to the ordering page. Also I would separate him from the others before trying any further treatments. If the others show no sign of infections/irritations, then they do not need to be housed with him, especially since you do not want it to spread further if they are not yet infected. Not to mention you do not need to expose fish to medications (nor should you) unless they really need them.

[Bsixxx]

Possibly, but I wanted to doble check because these infections can attack more than just the eyes and the mouth is a very common target. If there are no other physical signs of infection (on any scale) on him or the others, then yes, I think you are dealing with a Bacterial gram negative infection (which is a ver broad term) and - which by the way has many, many forms, however most medications allow for such variations when specifically formulated for these strains, so it should cover a wide range of rods.

Click on the active link for Gentamycin Sulfate (http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/products2.html#Gentamycin) Powder, and it should take you right to the ordering page. Also I would separate him from the others before trying any further treatments. If the others show no sign of infections/irritations, then they do not need to be housed with him, especially since you do not want it to spread further if they are not yet infected. Not to mention you do not need to expose fish to medications (nor should you) unless they really need them.

thank you water baby, i have seperated him and his gf because i though she had some wounds from fighting with my red devil, so i treated them both with melafix.The female is perfect now and the males eye is clearing up:screwy: sounds weird but it is actually clear like i can see the pupil and the rest of the eye but there is still a film over it?

what does this mean

[Bsixxx]

eek!

never mind its still all white
:cry:
is he going to be back to normal if i get that stuff?

[unknownuza13]

I have had this happen to my fish on more than one occasion. Every time it was from some sort of fighting like you originally expected. All I did was keep the water quality top notch and add a bit more aquariuim salt than I normally use. I avoid using medications when they are not needed and only as a last result. I had a dat whose eye was far worse than your jags and it healed 100%. It took some time though. I would guess three weeks to completely heal. I have had it happen much less severe in a leichardti arowana and it only took a weeks time.

[water_baby83]

eek!

never mind its still all white
:cry:
is he going to be back to normal if i get that stuff?

"Back to normal" is a loose term, LOL. When dealing with injuries or infections, there is always a chance that something might be lost (the eye), or that some level of permanent damage will remain - though the animal will once more be healthy - which is the overall goal. When it comes to loss, I am not talking about literally loosing the eye, this is far from that. But one thing that could always be a possibility later on is blindness. Thats why we want to address the issue now, as to minimize any chances of permanent damage. Sure it could be a wound resulting from a fight, but then why would the female have healed and not him? Sure the eyes are far more sensitive and take longer sometimes to heal, but then again look at the very distinct and defined discoloration on the location. Wounds are not that "precise" but rather more erradic, and would have affected the entire eye from a blunt force, rather than the Iris and pupil specifically. There would have been noticable irritation and tissue distortion on the surrounding areas as well from a typical "fight" injury. I am not ruling out that the innitial cause was an injury from a quarrel, but I am however pretty certain that it is no longer a simple injury, but that maybe has developed a bacterial infection now, which now needs to be addressed accordingly. If you choose to use more simple meathods to start with (Raising temp, isolation, water changes, melafix, raising salinity) then that is fine, but I strongly urge you to monitor this carefully so that you can note any improvement, or lack thereof, and worse case scenario - further decline. You dont want to wait until it's far more advanced to treat it properly, because then it becomes difficult to fully erradicate, as well as holds the possibility of lasting damage (such as your fish being blind in that eye), or it spreading to other tissues. I am never against trying other meathods before jumping to strong meds, I think that is always wise to start from the most basic and work your way up, but I do advise that you keep a very close eye on your fish and monitor his progress/regression very carefully. As far as the medication working - I have used it before with nothing but sucess, but it is one which can be dangerous if you dont know what you are doing. so if you decide to use this, make sure you read the entire container BEFORE treating, as well as trying to read up on it through the web or what not for additional information. And keep us updated on how things are going. And make sure to pay attention!

[Bsixxx]

"Back to normal" is a loose term, LOL. When dealing with injuries or infections, there is always a chance that something might be lost (the eye), or that some level of permanent damage will remain - though the animal will once more be healthy - which is the overall goal. When it comes to loss, I am not talking about literally loosing the eye, this is far from that. But one thing that could always be a possibility later on is blindness. Thats why we want to address the issue now, as to minimize any chances of permanent damage. Sure it could be a wound resulting from a fight, but then why would the female have healed and not him? Sure the eyes are far more sensitive and take longer sometimes to heal, but then again look at the very distinct and defined discoloration on the location. Wounds are not that "precise" but rather more erradic, and would have affected the entire eye from a blunt force, rather than the Iris and pupil specifically. There would have been noticable irritation and tissue distortion on the surrounding areas as well from a typical "fight" injury. I am not ruling out that the innitial cause was an injury from a quarrel, but I am however pretty certain that it is no longer a simple injury, but that maybe has developed a bacterial infection now, which now needs to be addressed accordingly. If you choose to use more simple meathods to start with (Raising temp, isolation, water changes, melafix, raising salinity) then that is fine, but I strongly urge you to monitor this carefully so that you can note any improvement, or lack thereof, and worse case scenario - further decline. You dont want to wait until it's far more advanced to treat it properly, because then it becomes difficult to fully erradicate, as well as holds the possibility of lasting damage (such as your fish being blind in that eye), or it spreading to other tissues. I am never against trying other meathods before jumping to strong meds, I think that is always wise to start from the most basic and work your way up, but I do advise that you keep a very close eye on your fish and monitor his progress/regression very carefully. As far as the medication working - I have used it before with nothing but sucess, but it is one which can be dangerous if you dont know what you are doing. so if you decide to use this, make sure you read the entire container BEFORE treating, as well as trying to read up on it through the web or what not for additional information. And keep us updated on how things are going. And make sure to pay attention!


thank you waterbaby for all your help, i am going to continue the treatment i am doing now for another week and if i see no improvement i will try out your method.

thank you
:)

[water_baby83]

thank you waterbaby for all your help, i am going to continue the treatment i am doing now for another week and if i see no improvement i will try out your method.

thank you
:)

Sounds good, and you are very welcome, no problem at all!! Keep us updated! Good luck.:)

[Bsixxx]

Sounds good, and you are very welcome, no problem at all!! Keep us updated! Good luck.:)

new update, ok dont get mad or say im dumb. but i got a new fish so i had to move him back to the big tank and now his eye is getting clear:nilly:

like now i can see his pupil but there is still that white stuff over it:irked:


anyway i have a new probalem, this new fish i have got beat up a little bit when i put it in my tank and now it has like this fungus stuff on it:irked: but i think its only his slime coat? but it kind looks like he was getting eatin alive in that tank, so i took him out and put him in this 2.5gallon container and filled it with some mela fix and placed him in my big tank:screwy: probably a bad idea but im going to put him back in the tank i originally had him in in about a week or so because i am making it a sump, wet/dry but making a different connection source, like he gets water from my big tank but that water from his tank doesnt touch my water in my big tank it goes to another filter, if that made since. anyway ill try to get a picture of him, looks pretty bad but he is swimming normal and eating, so i dont really think anything is wrong with him just some slime coat cause he was stressed.