paroon x redtail

[grmanrocks]

any body have one of these guys floatin around?

i have the opportunity to pick one up and was wondering what they look like when they grow up....

also wanted to know temperment and whatnot

[bukster]

never heard of a paroon x rtc, but i have a perruno x rtc. it's a great looking fish, somewhat playful, and eats like a pig.

[Andri Pogo]

what... paroon x rtc ?!? never heard of that

[Fishes33]

How can you cross breed a paroon and rtc? rtc in the bottom, paroon on the top, its like saying Arowana x Polysterus :nilly:

[AwolAngler]

ya I've NEVER heard of this either... are you sure it's not a rtc x perruno?

[grmanrocks]

im positive, its not a redtail x purruno

they are redtail shaped but that black solid siverly parron color. with the little black edged fins. they are at a LFS near me that almost lways has redtail hybrids.

i got a REALLY bad pic..... so here it is.


wuttya think?

[Morledzep]

i think it's a really bad pic

[vinson lim]

How can you cross breed a paroon and rtc? rtc in the bottom, paroon on the top, its like saying Arowana x Polysterus :nilly:


ROFL....!!!!!

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

[vinson lim]

GRmanrocks, post a better pic pls.

frm that pic, it seems a litle like a Paroon Shark (coloration, body shaping)

[kntrygrl4lyfe]

I dont think it looks like a parron at all, the face of it reminds me of a little rtc, nd the tail from what I can see reminds me of my little channel cats tail..... cute from what I can see lol

[jtrotter77]

if these are around I need one. I love my hybrids.

[grmanrocks]

ill go get a better pic soon, i apologize for nthe horrible quiality. if you have seen me other pics they are BILLIONS of times better. i just didnt have my real camera with me.

i guess its odd to hear of something like this then? what else could give a red tailed cat that color? cuz its a redtailed body for sure. would it even be POSSIBLE for a redtail and parron to hybridize? wouldnt the perspective hybrid couple have to be from the same class at least? in thi case pimiodela?

im just confused..............

[kntrygrl4lyfe]

Im going to have to agree with jtrotter, I might want to try one of them myself.

[vinson lim]

Im going to have to agree with jtrotter, I might want to try one of them myself.


me too...
me too....
me too.....

:D

[bukster]

describe the fish to us. does it look like a redtail and have spots?

[grmanrocks]

they are redtail shaped but that black solid siverly parron color. with the little black edged fins. they are at a LFS near me that almost lways has redtail hybrids.

i thinik i alrready did :grinno:

lol

but they are redtail shaped, but solid silver with black edged fins

best i can give ya...

[necrocanis]

It's possible. Look at what the hybrid breeders have already done. I mean tsn x niger??? I never thought that one would be possible. So now I can believe anything. The pysiology of a tsn and a niger don't even remotely match up. Not to mention they are in totally seperate families. So I for one think this one is possible. maybe it's not what he thinks it is but I give the benifit of the doubt. I've been proved wrong on the tsn x nigers so I'll sit back and wait this one out. Need better pics for real. I'd buy it and if it's what you say it is and can't house it then sale it to me!!!! lol

[grmanrocks]

necro, i may take your word on that one.....

its a redtail x something that ive NEVER seen or heard of before being mixed with a redtail before

its only $10....

if they stick around for about a week longer ill pick one up....im juggling the growouts as it is.......

trying to move all the little terd fish....(corys and loaches)

[skylar69]

pics, pics, pics

[necrocanis]

What could it hurt for $10 hehehe. ;)

[grmanrocks]

What could it hurt for $10 hehehe. ;)

dude, if i get it ur gonna have to take it off my hands at shippin costs later :P

i AM seriously considering it tho.....

well see in a few days, the lady doesnt want anymore fish....

to bad for her that the new 75 gets set up this next week as well as my not so new 30high.... that will allow some grow-out room

little fish suk....i may not have any cories or loaches by tommorow morning.....and a couple of full eels......

[necrocanis]

dude, if i get it ur gonna have to take it off my hands at shippin costs later :P

i AM seriously considering it tho.....

well see in a few days, the lady doesnt want anymore fish....

to bad for her that the new 75 gets set up this next week as well as my not so new 30high.... that will allow some grow-out room

little fish suk....i may not have any cories or loaches by tommorow morning.....and a couple of full eels......

get a better pic first if you can. If it's a confirmed hybrid I will definitely take it off your hands for the shipping costs plus what you paid x2

[skylar69]

yes and if u get over stocked i always have room in my tanks

[DrZacharyus]

is it redtail cat or asian redtail because i could see the artc x paroon, that thing would be an aggressive eating machine! id like to see Wyckii x Wallago Attu

[benzjamin13]

Well...I can't really see too much in the picture. Hopefully we can all see abetter pic soon.

[sncboom]

id like to see Wyckii x Wallago Attu

+1

[skylar69]

plese get new pics i cant wait

[grmanrocks]

new pics tommorow...but theyll still suck....

im working on planning a place for him to stay....

got sidetracked today....stupid reef....

[santoury]

He definitely has a redtail (SA or Asian) whiskers, but the body is something else... like a channel cat.
Can't wait for the new pics.

[yoimb0b]

my lfs had some, they have red tail cat heads, and paroon like bodies. Also very active! top swimmers too. Cant imagine how much of a tankbuster a 3 foot red tail catfish that swims as fast as a paroon shark will be

[skylar69]

:iagree: Cant imagine how much of a tankbuster a 3 foot red tail catfish that swims as fast as a paroon shark will be
:headbang2

[Miles]

Hmmm..

cross breeding a South American Catfish with an Asian Catfish?

Is that possible?

If it was done in a labratory, it would demand a much higher price..

[skylar69]

unless the parents were fertile then were raised somewere in asia

[grmanrocks]

my lfs had some, they have red tail cat heads, and paroon like bodies. Also very active! top swimmers too. Cant imagine how much of a tankbuster a 3 foot red tail catfish that swims as fast as a paroon shark will be

fianlly! someone who is just as crazy as me!

i wish i had the cord to my camera its killing me man


i think im just gonna buy one....i have to go put a deposit on my new 12" orino today at the same store....so i may as well

[vinson lim]

Hmm... im still waitn for pic....
Heart beat really fast now.....
cant wait to see RTC x Paroon.....
hehe....

[Superlaz]

They already crossed a tsn (smae family as the RTC) and an Irridescent shark (which im pretty sure is in the same family as a paroon)...so why not? wierd as hell, cant wait to see pics.

[skylar69]

sounds sic

[fishlover88]

so whats the update? did you get it? im getting excited for you.......

[kntrygrl4lyfe]

I would love to see one of those full grown, or half grown something! lol. The combos keep popping up in my head of what it would look like when I kept looking at my RTC and Paroon today.

[yoimb0b]

the ones at the store near me have ich so if any of them make it through it ill be picking some up. red tail X paroon is the definition of a monster fish.

[benzjamin13]

the ones at the store near me have ich so if any of them make it through it ill be picking some up. red tail X paroon is the definition of a monster fish.

Where is it? I'd like to see one of these guys.

[yoimb0b]

fumis
its on chatsworth and whiteoak (dont know the adress) if your coming from valencia, basically take the 118 freeway to balboa, make a left on balboa, make a right at chatsworth, and keep going till you see FUMIS tropical fish, on the lefthand side. Its next to an enterprise car rental place.

Hole in the wall shop, but the guy adam is a good guy, he hooks it up.

[Superlaz]

ANy updates????

[skylar69]

how long dos it take 2 get pics

[grmanrocks]

ANy updates????

actually yes :)

im gonna go buy one tommorow :P

i dont want this one to get away, and my camera cord is being mailed from MD to Cali....so it could take over a week. so yes, there will be pics eventually, but in the mean time i will be growing up my blacky silvery redtail :P

and necro...i hope u were serious about the taking him off my hands.........

and also excpect pics of my new 12" Orino that i pick up tommorow as well :P i know ull like that one better Laz.....

[necrocanis]

actually yes :)

im gonna go buy one tommorow :P

i dont want this one to get away, and my camera cord is being mailed from MD to Cali....so it could take over a week. so yes, there will be pics eventually, but in the mean time i will be growing up my blacky silvery redtail :P

and necro...i hope u were serious about the taking him off my hands.........

and also excpect pics of my new 12" Orino that i pick up tommorow as well :P i know ull like that one better Laz.....


Ask around! Dead serious!!!:D

[necrocanis]

Try to get us some really good pics.

[grmanrocks]

Try to get us some really good pics.

thnax and i will try, i might borrow someone elses camera. how fast do these redtail hybrids ussually grow at?

how long do u think till hes about 12"s and can move in with my other big fellas?

hes like an inch and a half right now, imma go get him in a little bit

[grmanrocks]

so i got him...they cut me a dollar off too...lol

threw him in with the growouts for now. couldnt help but grad a ropefish and some african cichlids too.....im bad....

the girl is litterally kicking my ass for comming home with 6 fish when i left saying is i was just picking up the big bass......

but neways, pics up as soon as my camera cord gets here, (2-3 buisness days).

i think im gonna get a kick out of this little fella while i have him:naughty:

[Superlaz]

Very good to hear, can't wait for pics!! some of the Orino too!! Congrats!

[grmanrocks]

best part of the whole thing is that....

the orino was only $60 :headbang2 and its easily 12-14"s long

[necrocanis]

Haha, how big are you gonna grow it to before you wanna get rid of it? If you wait to close to winter we might have to wait til spring sometime.

[grmanrocks]

Haha, how big are you gonna grow it to before you wanna get rid of it? If you wait to close to winter we might have to wait til spring sometime.

i figure he could be fine with my big fellas till about 14"s or so in the current tank, but this November im gonna end up upgrading to a 195 wide. so that gives him more time/ don't know how fast that will be, but i can hold on to him till spring in sure, or if he REALLY grows fast, he might be ready to leave by fall....who knows....but i don't really plan on power feeding the little guy

[necrocanis]

Sounds good!

[kntrygrl4lyfe]

I WANT I WANT! lol

[vinson lim]

Hmm... im still waitn for pic....
Heart beat really fast now.....
cant wait to see RTC x Paroon.....
hehe....


yes, im still waiting..... :naughty:

[vinson lim]

a week, i waited.... hehe.

[Superlaz]

Nothing yet?? :(

[kntrygrl4lyfe]

My hopes have been up to see this fish! Maybe soon there will be a picture

[vinson lim]

Grmanrocks.... wat are u doing???

Nearly 2 weeks.... but still, no new pic, lol

[necrocanis]

Yeah, the pic gods demand it lol.

[bukster]

been just about forever now. we definitely need to see some pics here soon. pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease

[fishloverblake]

any pics yet?

[yoimb0b]

all the ones at the lfs died of ich it seems. :(

[sicxspeed]

Gotta see some pictures of this

[fishloverblake]

u said u bot 1 tho

[grmanrocks]

SOOOO sorry about the lack of updates bros


i still have the fish, hes doing well, and growing fast


i will TRY to get pics asap, but i am having some complications


the situation is as follows:


i was on a fish business oriented trip (collecting in north Carolina's brackish waters) this summer on the east coast, and i left my camera cord in the house i was staying in, and the owner is delaying sending me the cord as well as numerous other personal effects....

i apologize, but there WILL be pics eventually

i may borrow a camera from a coworker to get this done


bear with me a while longer if you would :P

[fishloverblake]

hughhhhhhhhh... we have waited sooo long

[grmanrocks]

hughhhhhhhhh... we have waited sooo long

i know bro, i feel ya, its driving me crazy too

[Superlaz]

atleast there was an update :)

[necrocanis]

lol, post up some pics of my future fishzilla!!!!

[grmanrocks]

lol, post up some pics of my future fishzilla!!!!

lol, he certainly eats like a fishzilla, i have to feed him as many blackworms as my ray and hes like 1/1000th of the size


i seriously am working on getting pics, its driving me crazy too.

[necrocanis]

that's cool. Hopet hat he grows up large and in charge. How big is he now?

[grmanrocks]

hes like, idk, 3 inches or so

hes grown about a half an inch longer but has probably doubled his weight

pics today maybe, i borrowed a cam from a fellow of mine. so well see if it is up to snuff

[Mystus Redtail]

what ever happened to those pics?

[necrocanis]

what ever happened to those pics?

lol, yeah UPDATE!!!!:nilly:

[amazonfishman]

Here is a pic of the hybrid, for sale in Japan. There is more info under the pic towards the bottom.

http://aqua-bonito.web.infoseek.co.jp/HOME/HOME.html

Talk about your ultimate food source for aquaculture combining one of the largest south american catfish with the largest asian catfish species. If the hybrid isn't fragile (and I assume it isn't based on other catfish hybridizations I've seen) it will be a good food staple if used for that. ~Trent

[kntrygrl4lyfe]

Ive seen that one before.. but I want to see a picture of the one we have been waiting for all these weeks lol

[necrocanis]

someone else posted a pic of another one, but I want to see this particular one since I might own it in the future. lol

[Cohazard]

Here ya go... I just got one today. Notice it only has two barbels on the bottom jaw. Sorry about the dusty glass, I'll wipe it down and take more pics.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/SoCalSunset/DSC07195.jpg

[DrZacharyus]

I BET THAT IS ONE AGGRESSIVE ASS CATFISH! RTC usually dont have the mobility of the paroons. WOW

[Cohazard]

I BET THAT IS ONE AGGRESSIVE ASS CATFISH! RTC usually dont have the mobility of the paroons. WOW

Sure they do.... when they want to that is :ROFL:


Red Tail Catfish Chasing Peacock Bass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEfyaE-UZ0c)

[M|L]

that is about the most unbelievable thing I've heard in some time.

very cool!

[necrocanis]

Wow, sign me up! Gman grow that thing out a little faster lol!

[kntrygrl4lyfe]

Ok I think you need to buy one more and just ship it to me! I honestly want one so bad, ever sence I saw this thread start

[Cohazard]

It's been a few hours now and I've already seen some interesting behavior.

This fish can't seem to choose between behaving like a Pangasiidae or a Pimelodidae :ROFL:

I know it's still acclimating to the tank, but sometimes it hides behind the powerheads resting on the sand, then other times it's trying to swim non stop, while hiding behind the intake tube just below the surface of the water.

There was an appx 6" line of pellets at the water line right before lights out, a few minutes later (after the PRTC did a skim of the entire tank) the pellets were gone and it is a very very fat and happy fish.


At the LFS, some were resting on a sponge filter in the tank, and others were swimming around the water column in a frenzy. Luckily, the employee swooped one of the active ones! :D

More pics tomorrow. ;)

[madwhitehat]

Sweet! Can't wait for more pics. I would love to have a couple of these!!

[Mystus Redtail]

That is so crazy, I need one too now, but it'll have to wait until i have a pond...

[The TRUST]

Here is a pic of the hybrid, for sale in Japan. There is more info under the pic towards the bottom.

http://aqua-bonito.web.infoseek.co.jp/HOME/HOME.html

Talk about your ultimate food source for aquaculture combining one of the largest south american catfish with the largest asian catfish species. If the hybrid isn't fragile (and I assume it isn't based on other catfish hybridizations I've seen) it will be a good food staple if used for that. ~Trent


That on you posted is a Irridescent Shark X Tiger Shovel Nose.

[crazysteve]

really kool feed the H*ll out of him. I want To see him full grown :)

[crazysteve]

I would feed him four times a day with the temp at 82 :) I want to see him full grown :)

[grmanrocks]

Wow, sign me up! Gman grow that thing out a little faster lol!

lol, hes SLOOOOOWWW

i put pics up for you in the photo lounge

[Bogwoodbruce]

Man he's amazing a great hybrid.

[Jkoziatek]

i want one

[wewewe]

i want one
ditto

[wewewe]

ditto

[wewewe]

ditto
ditto

[wewewe]

ditto ditto

[wewewe]

+1

[R1_Ridah]

Just a bump on what a 15-16" Looks like =-)

[oscar n redtail cat]

stunning fish :D

[Peter O'B]

Can someone with a scientific/marine biologist/biologist background please confirm if this hybrid is even possible.

Just because someone in the LFS decided to call it a Paroon/RTC Hybrid doesn't make it so.

The two fish are not even remotely related.
They are not even from the same continent.
Hybridisation only occurs where the species are closely related.

Can we take a step back here and ask ourselves "Is this possible?".

I've spoken to a marine biologist on another forum whom I know for many years, he says it is certainly not possible. The picture could be one of many many juvenile catfish in the hobby.

Am I the only one who is sceptical here?

[wayne the pain]

Can someone with a scientific/marine biologist/biologist background please confirm if this hybrid is even possible.

Just because someone in the LFS decided to call it a Paroon/RTC Hybrid doesn't make it so.

The two fish are not even remotely related.
They are not even from the same continent.
Hybridisation only occurs where the species are closely related.

Can we take a step back here and ask ourselves "Is this possible?".

I've spoken to a marine biologist on another forum whom I know for many years, he says it is certainly not possible. The picture could be one of many many juvenile catfish in the hobby.

Am I the only one who is sceptical here?

C'mon please, surely you dont think this is a natural hybrid? if you have been in fishkeeping any length of time you will know man cant leave things alone and try to create man made freaks all the time, some people just love playing god, and hope to make a lot of money out of it.:(

[Peter O'B]

C'mon please, surely you dont think this is a natural hybrid? if you have been in fishkeeping any length of time you will know man cant leave things alone and try to create man made freaks all the time, some people just love playing god, and hope to make a lot of money out of it.:(

If by natural hybrid you mean that these two species have bred together without any intervention, of course I don't think that.

Natural Hybrid/Man Made hybrid, it still doesn't change the fact that the two species are not even near alike biologically to hybridise.

Regardless of whether it was done in a lab or not I don't think it is possible.

[viewofthebay]

There was a guy selling a large one in So. Cal. I saw it last week in the classified section here. There is a picture too.

[MONSTER FISH MASTER]

I've seen something like that on youtube.

[MaverickG13]

Man I can estimate that those things will grow anywhere from 100cm - 150cm easily. And its a high possibility that it will be even more than that.

I'd say the ultimate catfish hybrid would be Piraiba x Mekong Giant Catfish. Imagine a full grown one...

[hotsauce]

for some strange reason........im just not buying the hybrid of the two fish in ?. but they have been putting out the "balloon paroons" so who the hell knows! wow, a paroon that can eat a feeder damn near his same size!!!!!!!!!

[hotsauce]

i second the Piraiba x Mekong as the ultimate apex predator!