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Ornatapinnis
10-24-2005, 7:40 PM
Anyone know what this is?



http://www.peacockbassassociation.com/assets/images/Larry16.5_.jpg
Loubard
10-24-2005, 7:51 PM
http://www.peacockbassassociation.com/assets/images/Larry16.5_.jpg

I don't have a clue really.
Steve_89
10-25-2005, 7:59 AM
Link didnt work for me :(
Loubard
10-25-2005, 9:12 AM
Steve, I placed the pic in my post.
MATTCB
10-25-2005, 9:24 AM
I would guess just based on size it is a temensis but it is lacking some markings?
blacktip
10-25-2005, 12:55 PM
I believe that the black speckles on the gill give it away as a temensis. I have seen larger specimens of temensis that lose the three black bars and all of the lighter spots on the body, especially large colorful ones like this one.
Tyranocichla
10-25-2005, 1:31 PM
Yes, it's a temensis---well at least for now. There are a few people working on some new Cichla taxonomy. Perhaps we'll see this as a new species down the road here. Does anyone know where the fish was caught at??
The TRUST
10-25-2005, 1:45 PM
Interesting. Brian, I'll try to scan a pic for you I found in a fishing catalog the Cichla pictured looks nothing like I've ever seen before
Tyranocichla
10-25-2005, 2:00 PM
OK. Keep in mind that coloration is largely related to mineral and chemical properties of the water as well as dietary. Also, don't forget that all Cichla are highly, highly variable fishes and there is considerable variation in specimens from just one locality---let alone from several localities. In the end, a picture is nice but I would need the actual fish in front of me to really tell you what it is (or what it isn't).
The TRUST
10-25-2005, 2:06 PM
Yea I was thinking the same thing too about the color. I am guessing that "Fogo" is a color variant of another peacock.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=637/Tucunare_Fogo.jpg

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=637/tucunare_fogo.jpg

Orinocensis variant maybe???? They have those circle markings on the body.
The TRUST
10-25-2005, 2:09 PM
Also do you think that Cichla naturaly hybridize in the wild??
Tyranocichla
10-25-2005, 2:35 PM
Yes, there is some indication that Cichla will naturally hybridize--probably if other, suitable mates are not present.

Regarding the fogos, who the heck knows what they are. They're not orinocensis-types though....too far apart geographically.
The TRUST
10-25-2005, 2:37 PM
Ah Geography. I don't pay attention to the maps. When I see the fish I forget everything else. LOL
The TRUST
10-25-2005, 2:38 PM
would be interesting to purposely hybridize cichla in the home aquarium just to see what you'll get :)

Like NARC's old Ocelaris and Monoculus pair that spawned

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=2/medium/IM000878.JPG
Tyranocichla
10-25-2005, 2:40 PM
It's easy to do. Get a male mono and a female butterfly and you got it. Or the other way around. Dr. Axelrod hybridized temensis and ocellaris, which were actually orinocensis, and they grew up mostly looking like temensis. FYI.
The TRUST
10-25-2005, 2:41 PM
It's easy to do. Get a male mono and a female butterfly and you got it. Or the other way around. Dr. Axelrod hybridized temensis and ocellaris, which were actually orinocensis, and they grew up mostly looking like temensis. FYI.


Ooooooooohhh I wonder who has the fry now? I'd love to get some of those.
Tyranocichla
10-25-2005, 2:44 PM
Axelrod's fry?

That was in like 1976---the year I was born, LOL.
The TRUST
10-25-2005, 2:48 PM
You're older than me by a year. LOL!

Yeah well by now the fry must be all over the place with them being bred in captivity I am sure they are people that have the decendants of those fish. Now if only we could track them down.....lol

I know....I'm nuts. I've completely lost it.:screwy:
Tyranocichla
10-25-2005, 2:51 PM
I bet they're all dead. Who cares anyway. There's so much cool stuff available to us now.
The TRUST
10-25-2005, 2:53 PM
Yeah but it's like saying "I GOT DECENDANTS OF AXELRODS ORIGINAL HYBRIDS" sort of thing. LOL
The TRUST
10-25-2005, 2:54 PM
U know Now I think about it, rememeber that conversation we had over the FL peacocks??? U think they were mixed in with the batch to be released???

Hmmmmm..... could be. that would explain the speckles
Tyranocichla
10-25-2005, 3:01 PM
Florida's Cichla are hybrids between C. ocellaris from Guyana and C. monoculus from eastern Brazil.

As for Axelrod's Cichla, who cares?
The TRUST
10-25-2005, 3:03 PM
As for Axelrod's Cichla, who cares?

Ahahahahahah ur a funny one Brian.

I'll get some pics of those Cichla I saw. looks awesome. I have a Pbass fishing video too that I'll see if I can figure out how to get screen shots.
Arapaimaman
10-25-2005, 3:08 PM
The background of the picture looks like Lake Guri where I fished in 1987.I was tould by our engilsh speaking guide that when the dam was build and the farms that had ponds,they held both species of p.bass and they have cross breed.
Tyranocichla
10-25-2005, 3:13 PM
The background of the picture looks like Lake Guri where I fished in 1987.I was tould by our engilsh speaking guide that when the dam was build and the farms that had ponds,they held both species of p.bass and they have cross breed.


Yes, I have heard this before. When the crossbreed the young will look like temensis for quite some time. As they grow, thy begin to look like an ugly combination of both and very very very highly variable. Lake Guri has some of the nicest C. temensis that I have ever seen. Venezuela's finest IMHO.
The TRUST
10-25-2005, 3:13 PM
I have no idea how u could see the background in that tiny little pic
Arapaimaman
10-25-2005, 3:22 PM
I have fished in the Amazon all over South America.It's just a guess.There are no trees on the land in the back ground that I can see.Your are right you can't see much.
neoprodigy
10-25-2005, 3:40 PM
Ahahahahahah ur a funny one Brian.

I'll get some pics of those Cichla I saw. looks awesome. I have a Pbass fishing video too that I'll see if I can figure out how to get screen shots.
which pbass fishing videos?
The TRUST
10-25-2005, 3:46 PM
The one I got off ebay
neoprodigy
10-25-2005, 3:58 PM
The one I got off ebay
ahhh i think i have that too... ;)
The TRUST
10-25-2005, 4:02 PM
No u don't.
neoprodigy
10-25-2005, 4:29 PM
No u don't.


you should know me better than that... i get 'em all.... ;)
The TRUST
10-25-2005, 4:31 PM
you should know me better than that... i get 'em all.... ;)

Like Pokemon :Pikachu:
neoprodigy
10-25-2005, 4:40 PM
Like Pokemon :Pikachu:
yes... collected them all.... but not watch 'em all... LOL....
Ornatapinnis
10-25-2005, 4:45 PM
I'll look to see if I can find where that picture was taken. I think it's for a fishing guide or trip or something. I have seen ony 2 or 3 pictures of P Bass that look like this, they were all huge like that. Wonder if teminisis or hybreed loose the bars when they get huge like that. Mine got up to about 18 to 20 inches or so and didn't loose it's thick black bars on it's body, it did have a big eye spot on it's tail though.

I dunno....


Joel
Ornatapinnis
10-25-2005, 5:05 PM
That picture was on the peacock bass associations web sight but did not say where the picture was taken

www.peacockbassassociation.com
Ornatapinnis
10-25-2005, 5:13 PM
THis one's on pirahna furry, similar looking...

http://www.piranha-fury.com/photopost/data/500/128p_fury_gallery_49-med.jpg


THis one was caught in FLordia but didn't say where..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/LitiGATOR/4fdae1b4.jpg


Joel
toxicfish
10-25-2005, 5:33 PM
the photo in the link looks like a pond