:-Change of Idea-bigger tank.

[Kieranuk]

I have been thinking about the 450L I was looking at and though If I was going to spend $1140 on a 5ft 450L tank then I might aswell go for a better tank. As it is in my bedroom it's size what is most important not too much looks. So I decided to get a large base 7-8ft tank so I can get more fish and larger ones. Will this be large enough for red-tailed cats and arowana's? Would a 7ft or 8ft large based tank be over 300G? I am not sure how high it would be but I would like other large fish not just rays so it would have to be pretty high. Any advice appreciated :D.

Thanks,

Kieran

[Kieranuk]

What do you think of this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20755&item=4378319169&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW? It looks a good price for a 8ft tank.

[Vitaliy]

What do you think of this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20755&item=4378319169&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW? It looks a good price for a 8ft tank.
Looks great, awesome price too.

[Caveman]

Awesome looking tank but I have no clue what £450.00 is in US funds. Since dimensions are 96x24x18 I dont think RTC or Arowana will fit in there when bigger. I would look for a 36"+ wide tank if you wanna keep those monsters.

[guppy]

Awesome looking tank but I have no clue what £450.00 is in US funds. Since dimensions are 96x24x18 I dont think RTC or Arowana will fit in there when bigger. I would look for a 36"+ wide tank if you wanna keep those monsters.
a little more than $700, It is about 180g.

[shoefreak03]

that is one sweet looking tank. Honestly, i think a full home aquarium grown arrownana can fit nicely in a 24 wide tank but not a red tailed catfish, since those not only get big but strong and is likely to break glass tanks.

[Kieranuk]

The tank i showed you needs £40 on for delivery but I will still have alot left to buy fish with. I was never planning to keep a red tailed for ever. I was going to sell it once it got too big. I did want a 1000L but this one seems good enough for now. Would you reccomend when I do get it buying a sump or 2 big externals?

[Kieranuk]

Okey I am going to send a email to the guy asking the price of a tank with me making the dimentions but it has got to be 8ft max as it will be going on a 12ft wall so want some space at either side. I want to keep rays so will 36" be okey for the width?

[Kieranuk]

I have emailed for the price of the same tank just 36" wide and I am still waiting for a reply. Do you think it needs to be higher or should it be okey?

Thanks,

Kieran

[PeacockBass]

I have emailed for the price of the same tank just 36" wide and I am still waiting for a reply. Do you think it needs to be higher or should it be okey?

Thanks,

Kieran


It will be fine for an Arowana.. but not a RTC..

Red tails will easily hit 3-4 feet and in time should hit 5.

24 inches is not wide enough for an arowana. Unless of course you have no respect for the fish what so ever and you are just using them to make your guest go "woooow".

[Kieranuk]

Did you mean RTC in the 3rd part? Also I want to buy a small RTC then when it gets to 2ft (3ft max) sell it on to someone with a bigger tank. The tank will hopefully be 36" wide not 24". Think my idea is okey to get one for ahyle then when it grows too big sell it? I want a RTC as I find them facinating and really like their colours. I also like how they are quite intelligent.

[Kieranuk]

The tank should be 285G if the supplier can make me one 8ft L by 2ft high by 3ft wide.

[PeacockBass]

There really isnt anyone out there that can house an RTC that doesnt already..

Have you thought about Leiarius Marmoratas? (Longibarbis)?

[Kieranuk]

My LFS has them in. Are they as intelegent as red tailed cat's? Also how logn would it take a RTC to grow to 5ft?

[Kieranuk]

Would a ray be okey in a 8ft tank? If I get a Leiarius Marmoratas will I be able to keep the tank as 8ft by 2ft by 1.5ft? I also want 2 oscars a simease tiger fish and a few more.

[PeacockBass]

it will take an RTC to reach 3 feet in 2-4 years depending on the diet.

I thought you were getting the 36inch wide tank?

Also, 8feet long doesnt mean much.. its the width... and yes a few rays can live in that sized tank with a marmoratas and some tigers... with a couple arowana..

Marms are just as smart as red tails...

[Kieranuk]

The standard size is 18" but I am sending a email as they set they custom make tank's asking how much they will charge for a 36" wide one. They havent yet and its been 24hrs but they might just be busy. Will the tank take 4 people to carry do you think?

[PeacockBass]

yes 4 people should do it.

[WckedMidas]

glass cages sells a 48 inch by 48 inch by 25 tall

[Jesse]

The tank should be 285G if the supplier can make me one 8ft L by 2ft high by 3ft wide.
FYI, 8' L x 3' W x 2' H = approximately 359 gallons. I have a Tenecor acrylic tank that size. They list it as a "320" to account for the space taken up by their "Simplicity Plus" built in filtration. Mine does not have that option because I was unwilling to lose the six or so inches of width required for built-in filtration.

[Jesse]

yes 4 people should do it.
If it's acrylic, like my Tenecor 360, two men can carry it for short distances. Getting through a narrow doorway may require tilting the 3-foot-wide tank on its side, which is only two feet wide.

[Kieranuk]

It is glass I think. What type of filteration would you reccomend for it? It will hopefully be 8frx 2ft x 3ft so will take a big filter.

[Jesse]

It is glass I think. What type of filteration would you reccomend for it? It will hopefully be 8frx 2ft x 3ft so will take a big filter.
A glass tank will be roughly twice the weight of acrylic. Is your floor concrete slab? If not, it will need to be reinforced to support the weight regardless of whether you ultimately go with glass or acrylic.

On my 360 gallon, I'm using two Amiracle MR-400 wet/drys, each modified with its own 1,400 gph CSR Continuous Siphon Overflow and Mag-18 return pump. Between the two systems, total sump volume is 60 gallons and total biological media volume is around 20 gallons. I'd estimate flow at around 1,000 to 1,200 gph per return pump, accounting for the hose diameter and PVC elbows. Thus, I'm probably getting 2,000 to 2,400 gph between the two systems. Depending on the configuration of your stand, you can go even larger on the sump(s), but make sure there is enough room underneath to make modifications should the need arise.

[guppy]

Glass is heavy. I'm bummed because a 500g tank wit a cracked bottom was supposed to be delivered oday. They broke a back panel trying to get it up from basement fish room. Thats right, a free 500+G TANK APPROX. 3'X3'X8', WITH STAND and stand platform. They broke it bad enough to twist frame because they tried to move it with just 3 people. This was an old, "classic" stainless frame glass tank. Glass is heavy. Waah! boo hoo, at least it was free and I didn't do it.

[guppy]

A tank stand platform i just a 4'x8' sheet of 1 1/2" marine grade ply with tile coating, it helps spread the footprint, you still need floor reinforcement. In new built homes with concrete slab floors I would still advise using one.

[Kieranuk]

The tank will be going upstairs so I am not sure what type of floor it is. What gets put down when it is reinforsed?

[guppy]

upstairs? house jacks and 4"x 8"s , alot f them or it will eventually end up on the 1rst floor. I had a freinnd have a 350g tank fall over after around 3 years, it pulled the floor joint loose. someone had a thread that showed a decent reinforcement recently, 1 floor up? invest in 4"x 8" full width cross joists and housejack, a200g tank weighs a ton not conting stand, also use a tank platform, they are worth the extra $100

[Kieranuk]

I think the floor is reinforsed but I am not sure. I am changing the room so when I take everything out I will have a look under the floorboards. The tank will hopefully be 285G. Any idea how much a 285G costs in arylic or glass?

[Kieranuk]

I just found out that the house was made with reinforsed floors so I should be okey :D. I have emailed mera aquarium about the tank but 36" wide on ebay as the question through ebay did not work but I have been on their site and will phone them if nothing happens.

[Kieranuk]

Unfortunally Mera aquatics does not make tanks 36" wide by 8ft long by 2ft high as their glass is not thick enough so I have asked what their biggest width on that tank would be and if I went down to 7ft could I get 3ft width. Think I did the right thing?

[Kieranuk]

They make a 8ftx2ftxft for £685 which seems alot for 0.5 more on the width. What would you reccomend I do?

[PeacockBass]

go ahead and get the 7x36x24

thats a decent sized tank. the 36 inches will be great for arowana.

[Kieranuk]

They only do 8ftLx2ftHx1.5ftW for $833.85 or a 8ftLx2ftHx2ftW for $1269.30. This price includes tank,stand and hood. I will need to buy lighting,heating and filtration seperate. Which size tank would you reccomend?

[Kieranuk]

The cheapest is approx. 680L and more expencive approx. 880L.

[PeacockBass]

They only do 8ftLx2ftHx1.5ftW for $833.85 or a 8ftLx2ftHx2ftW for $1269.30. This price includes tank,stand and hood. I will need to buy lighting,heating and filtration seperate. Which size tank would you reccomend?


well if you wanted to keep arowana for life.. i would look for a difference tank company.

[Kieranuk]

I will probably sell it before it is fully grown.

[Kieranuk]

If I am not keep a aro for like would I be okey getting the cheaper one? (As less money on tank means more rare monsters:D)

[Kieranuk]

I have just seen this http://www.aquarist-classifieds.co.uk/php/detail.php?cat=59&de=20640. What does anyone thing?

[rayman45]

wtffff
come to new tork with that

[Kieranuk]

Instead of getting it and having to store it for awhyle I am going to go to 'Wharf Aquatics' which is really good for stingrays and other monster fish and get a compleate setup from them but I want the tank to be 7ft Long x 3ft Wide x 2ft High and hopefully I will get a stand with it but I might have to make one myself. I'll get all the other things I need from them aswell and maby they will include some fish vouchers if I spend alot :-).

[PeacockBass]

sounds like a plan bro.

[Kieranuk]

Yeah well I should be going up quite shortly but I have relatives near (It is a 2hr drive) so I can't just have the odd visit. When I go I'll find out the price and how long it takes to be made and then order one later on. The tank should fit in the back of my dad's car but if it dosent I will have to sort something else out.

[piranha45]

glad to hear you're going to take care of your fish properly! :cool:

[Kieranuk]

Will I beable to keep a aro for life in it? Also how long can I keep a RTC for or should I just wait untill I get a bigger tank to get one?

[piranha45]

RTC aint gonna work

1) the tank isn't big enough for a RTC
2) the RTC would outgrow and eat the arrow anyway, unless you bought a large arrow

[Kieranuk]

kk I thought that. I will have to look for a alternative. Any suggestions?

[piranha45]

Cichlids, centrarchids, tinfoil barbs, mid/large datnoids

[rayman45]

RTC aint gonna work

1) the tank isn't big enough for a RTC
2) the RTC would outgrow and eat the arrow anyway, unless you bought a large arrow

yup

[Kieranuk]

I mean't have you any suggestions for a different catfish? Also would I beable to get a birchir and snakehead?

[piranha45]

depends on what species of snakehead are available to you. Red/redline and cobra snakeheads are out of the question. Some smaller species would work though.

pictus and synodontis catfish of most any species would work. They would stay out of the arrow's way if they are small species, and large species need not worry about getting eaten.

[Kieranuk]

I have seen for sale; Channa barca, Channa diplogramma, Channa punctata and Channa sp. "Meghalaya Leopard". Would a tiger shouvel nose cat be okey or do they grow too large?

[piranha45]

those snakeheads would all probably work; I doubt any of them surpass 20", but the TSN wouldn't.

[Kieranuk]

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[Kieranuk]

Would I beable to get a African Tiger Fish or do they grow too large? The tank should be 314 US gallons. Also when a arowana is fully grown will it beable to live in my aquarium?

[piranha45]

Would I beable to get a African Tiger Fish or do they grow too large? The tank should be 314 US gallons. Also when a arowana is fully grown will it beable to live in my aquarium?
No.

[Kieranuk]

So would I be okey with a arowana, ray, simease tiger fish, fire eel, birchir and snakehead?

[Kieranuk]

Also I found this catfish : Perrunichthys perruno it grows to 24" so would it be okey?

[PeacockBass]

Would I beable to get a African Tiger Fish or do they grow too large? The tank should be 314 US gallons. Also when a arowana is fully grown will it beable to live in my aquarium?


Gallons dont mean anything except the sheer volume of fishmass you can withstand (bioload).



Get your self a couple Leiarius Marmoratas!! im telling you, these are NICE and IMO are kooler then RTCs.


a TSN grows WAY to large for your tank. they can easily grow to 3+ feet.

Dont bother with Pimelodus sp. they are to small and boring. Leiarius Marmoratas for sure.

[PeacockBass]

Also I found this catfish : Perrunichthys perruno it grows to 24" so would it be okey?


you will not find this cat for sale.. but you will find the imposter typically sold under this name.... Leiarius Marmoratas..

These fish are so closely alike its hard to tell apart.. some ichthyologist suggest there is no P.perruno.

[PeacockBass]

So would I be okey with a arowana, ray, simease tiger fish, fire eel, birchir and snakehead?


yes that would be great!

[Kieranuk]

So could I get a arowana, ray, simease tiger fish, fire eel, birchir, snakehead, 2xLeiarius Marmoratas and maby a couple of oscar's? Would I be okey buying whitebait instead of live fish? Also could I get some of these fish in pairs or would I be overcrowded?

[piranha45]

sounds reasonable. Make sure you do at least one heavy waterchange per week.

[Kieranuk]

How much is heavy? Also what lighting would you reccomend? I like the eheim professional 3 filter but it is $450 (£250).

[piranha45]

90% a week would be best. No less than 70%. Lighting: Pay 30 bucks for a couple shop lights at Lowe's/Home Depot.

[Kieranuk]

At my lfs they have a large display tank with a black ray with white spots, pacu, greens severum (i think), silver arowana, RTC and this other long silver fish (sorry forgot name) and when I asked they only do 10% water change a week. Also do you think just a large external filter will be okey?

[piranha45]

Many LFSes have a frequent tendency to not take care of their fish, obviously yours falls under that category. So sad...

4-6 Aquaclear 500s should do the job. They won't keep the gravel/sand clean though; you'll have to do that yourself with the waterchanges. A 20g sump with a big wet/dry filter could do the job too.

[Kieranuk]

Yeah when I gravel clean the outlet hose will go straight into the bathroom sink so keeping the gravel clean hopefully shouldnt be a problem. Also why do I need 4-6 of those filters as the eheim pro 3 is for tanks up to 1300L and mine is under that?

[piranha45]

k, then get the eheim pro 3