I am a SAD man today...

[RockyGoldy]

Hi MKFers...

Yesterday spotted this unique freshwater grouper and stright away i know it is a rare find...I am still not too sure what breed it is (Genus: Cephalopholis??)...after about 20mins consideration and seeing it feeding on live feeder common cats...I decide to try my hands on...
Bought a breeder plastic tank to hold this guy in one of my tank..as this dude is only a 5 incher, I tot it would be safer in the breeder tank for the time being till it grows much bigger..considering the fact that all my fishes are monsters...
Slowly acclimatise this dude..and then put it in the breeder tank....after which I went to walk my dog....for a mere 15mins...and when i return...this dude died on me!!!!!
Till now, I do not know what caused the death...and my water parameters are alright..which leads me to think that perhaps this fish is a salt water convert? I am looking for more information for this dude...
Basically kicking myself once more for not learning more about the fish before buying..I guess this is a lesson hardest to learn for people like us...cus oddballs that are hard to find is like striking lottery!! once you give it a miss, it would be snapped up the next moment!!
I was still bragging to my fish mates on what a rare find i got and I am so happy..but it did not last more than 30mins in my house!!
Now I placed him in my freezer..no heart to throw it away..and only some pics here for remembrance...

Any brudders here can shed some lights on this fish and if this is a saltwater convert, let me know...if it is, I will bring this issue to the shop that sold me this fish..at least to tell them this is a saltwater convert and it is not right to sell them...

[WckedMidas]

sorry cant help answer ya but it was nice looking fish

[RockyGoldy]

sorry cant help answer ya but it was nice looking fish

Man..i was really determined to rear this dude to full monster size..and mix it with some of my big aros....it would be really an kick arse sight!!

but man..my dream shattered.... :cry:

[rayman45]

its a bumblebee grouper
my lfs always has them
they had a 2 footer once for 200$

cool fish
usally 30-100$

[rayman45]

its full saltwater

[RockyGoldy]

its a bumblebee grouper
my lfs always has them
they had a 2 footer once for 200$

cool fish
usally 30-100$

Thanks Ray dude for the information..so it is a 100% freshwater grouper? not saltwater converts? or is it a brackish fella?

[RockyGoldy]

its full saltwater

Holy cow!!

but the shop selling it put it in full freshwater!! and it was really doing well and i saw it feeding!! this is why I got it...

:wall:

[rayman45]

lol u posted the same time as me

its salt water
again sorry
they are wonder fish and beautiful.;

[rayman45]

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.aquatictech.com/images/fish/wobby.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.aquatictech.com/internet_specials.html&h=240&w=320&sz=86&tbnid=rO-MeZbmiJ4J:&tbnh=84&tbnw=112&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbumblebee%2Bgrouper%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D %26ie%3DUTF-8

look at that small pic
is that what it looked like
if it was feeding in fw then im not sure

[RockyGoldy]

lol u posted the same time as me

its salt water
again sorry
they are wonder fish and beautiful.;

But cannot seem to find this fish in FishBase...

u know the scientific name?

[rayman45]

not a clue
woah ill feel like an ass if this isent a bumblebee grouper

[RockyGoldy]

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.aquatictech.com/images/fish/wobby.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.aquatictech.com/internet_specials.html&h=240&w=320&sz=86&tbnid=rO-MeZbmiJ4J:&tbnh=84&tbnw=112&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbumblebee%2Bgrouper%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D %26ie%3DUTF-8

look at that small pic
is that what it looked like
if it was feeding in fw then im not sure

Man..i am bringing this to the lfs man...

want to know who is the supplier selling this fish as freshwater!! :swear:

[RockyGoldy]

guys..

got the scientific name for this dude...

Epinephelus lanceolatus

yes, it is full SW....

now i am really wondering why it did so well in the LFS when I saw it!

this a US$97 lesson learned!

[rayman45]

no get your money back
no 97$
thats bull **** i would flip out on them

[redtailfool]

guys..

got the scientific name for this dude...

Epinephelus lanceolatus

yes, it is full SW....

now i am really wondering why it did so well in the LFS when I saw it!

this a US$97 lesson learned!



They probably made a mistake as well
or it could be that it was acclimated as a fresh then sold as such.

Sorry couldnt be of much help. I know nothing about saltwater fish.

[rayman45]

http://www.fishbase.org/Photos/ThumbnailsSummary.cfm?ID=6468

bingo right there

[RockyGoldy]

no get your money back
no 97$
thats bull **** i would flip out on them

Man..i am not sure if i can get anything back..

in the lfs..it was doing so very fine...as i asked the lfs owner if it is feeding..she said yes and showed me by throwing some live feeds in..it did whallopped a few....but something inside me felt that its a high chance this is a saltwater convert...but seeing how well it did..I paid for it...

i guess I just have to feel like an arse for these few days for letting such an awesome monster to be fish die with my ignorance... :cry:

[IoStrisciare]

Man..i am not sure if i can get anything back..

in the lfs..it was doing so very fine...as i asked the lfs owner if it is feeding..she said yes and showed me by throwing some live feeds in..it did whallopped a few....but something inside me felt that its a high chance this is a saltwater convert...but seeing how well it did..I paid for it...

i guess I just have to feel like an arse for these few days for letting such an awesome monster to be fish die with my ignorance... :cry:

alot of saltwater converts in the market these days brudder...

you gotta be careful... even the damned target fish are saltwater converts....

[rayman45]

print out the fishbase with a pic

[RockyGoldy]

alot of saltwater converts in the market these days brudder...

you gotta be careful... even the damned target fish are saltwater converts....

U know..sometimes u wan the fish soo bad that u filter all the senses in ur mind just to get the fish??? esp for hardcore people like us..

as i said just now...i got this huge hunch that it is a saltwater convert...but just ignore it and get it...just to hope it will do well in my care...

:shakehead

[rayman45]

i did that b4
i bought wasp fish and a huge black finned sliver shark (both b/w fish)
wasp fish died
i saved the shark tho

[IoStrisciare]

U know..sometimes u wan the fish soo bad that u filter all the senses in ur mind just to get the fish??? esp for hardcore people like us..

as i said just now...i got this huge hunch that it is a saltwater convert...but just ignore it and get it...just to hope it will do well in my care...

:shakehead

yea....

maybe it could have been done... care to share which LFS was it from? Starts with J or C?

[RockyGoldy]

yea....

maybe it could have been done... care to share which LFS was it from? Starts with J or C?

C dude...but u know...the owner (aunty) probably wont know much about this fish as well....

[guppy]

Holy cow!!

but the shop selling it put it in full freshwater!! and it was really doing well and i saw it feeding!! this is why I got it...

:wall:
Some salties will feed even while dying, a lot of sculpin are like that.

[IoStrisciare]

C dude...but u know...the owner (aunty) probably wont know much about this fish as well....

depends which one you ask. There's one thats a complete twit when it comes to fish.

Well... they're stock is also much to great for them to memorise the details of all the fish.

Saw anything else good there? Perch? Rays? Oddballs?

[RockyGoldy]

depends which one you ask. There's one thats a complete twit when it comes to fish.

Well... they're stock is also much to great for them to memorise the details of all the fish.

Saw anything else good there? Perch? Rays? Oddballs?

Nah..this is the only dude that catch my attention 100%....others are just the norm..nothing that can make me jump...

[RockyGoldy]

Some salties will feed even while dying, a lot of sculpin are like that.

thanks for the info..i checked this dude..swimming ok..eyes are clear..no mucus etc...thats why the confidence...

:cry:

[guppy]

I had a monkey face blenny feeding on clam bits, came back in 15 minutes and it was dead. heater had gone wacky and tank temp was around 115f. Sometimes you just can't tell.

[rayman45]

i lost a ray b/c ammonia was too high but he was feeding
back when i was a nub. almost 2 years ago

[RockyGoldy]

i lost a ray b/c ammonia was too high but he was feeding
back when i was a nub. almost 2 years ago

Man..all these death tales are makin me very sad man....

:cry:

[neoprodigy]

one of the things we have to go through as a MONSTER FISH KEEPER...

[piranha45]

bumblebee groupers aren't uncommon at all, in the states at least. Sucks that you lost the specimen, but it wasn't that rare, at least..

[The TRUST]

Hey RG,

Sorry to hear about your loss bro. I feel your pain. :( I know you probably wont get anything back from the store but if you point out it was Saltwater and kinda hint to them that ur really feeling bad, they might hook you up with a really good deal the next time around. it's worth a shot. If you don't try you never know what you might gain. :)

[viper]

DONT FEEL BAD IF I HAD SEEN THAT SAME FISH I DEFINITLY WOULD HAVE BOUGHT IT.

[RockyGoldy]

Hey RG,

Sorry to hear about your loss bro. I feel your pain. :( I know you probably wont get anything back from the store but if you point out it was Saltwater and kinda hint to them that ur really feeling bad, they might hook you up with a really good deal the next time around. it's worth a shot. If you don't try you never know what you might gain. :)

Tough luck that I would be occupied the whole day today and not able to visit that LFS again...maybe I will just pop by for a while to highlight this issue..

[RockyGoldy]

bumblebee groupers aren't uncommon at all, in the states at least. Sucks that you lost the specimen, but it wasn't that rare, at least..

Haha brudder....now i figured that bumblebee groupers IN freshwater is super RARE!!

thats why i bought it... :hitting:

[piranha45]

ahhhhh lol!

[ezman]

:omg: I was thinking of paying u a visit tonite.............and now this fellow is gone! :cry: :cry: :cry:

[RockyGoldy]

:omg: I was thinking of paying u a visit tonite.............and now this fellow is gone! :cry: :cry: :cry:

U can scrap that brudder....unless u wan to see this guy in the freezer!

[freeform]

dun be sad bro Rocky. its a lesson learnt. dead its all part of the fish keeping experience. i mean its a sad incident but we learn from this mistakes. its not on purpose. cheer up man.

[freeform]

:omg: I was thinking of paying u a visit tonite.............and now this fellow is gone! :cry: :cry: :cry:

hey, you're not the only one man. haizzzz.... sad.

[RockyGoldy]

Dropped by the LFS last evening for a while and told the lfs owner about this...printed out the FishBase pics as proof as well...

the owner felt bad and she said she didn't know about it being a SW convert and that fish's been in the shop for 4 days already b4 I got it...she was planning to order more in!!!!

she said she will compensate me with other fishes but I was in a rush....so told her next time round...

I guess its not so bad...hope she remembers that I would be granted a 'free' fish for my next visit...hahha...

[kman]

hey brudda,

yeah, reminds me of that sick feeling in dat stomach when i lost my first 5" aro around 14 yrs ago when he jumped out only after one day with me....like someone hoofed u in da harvey wall bangers (aka nuts) and that damn pain would not go away

ur right, it's not so bad after all since aunty will give u something back next time

u will get over pain soon but never forget

just move on to the next quest for that ultimate oddball for ur collection

hoping da hulkster come back for one mo match teaming up with HHH...........lol :y220e: :y220e: :y220e:

[redtailfool]

Dropped by the LFS last evening for a while and told the lfs owner about this...printed out the FishBase pics as proof as well...

the owner felt bad and she said she didn't know about it being a SW convert and that fish's been in the shop for 4 days already b4 I got it...she was planning to order more in!!!!

she said she will compensate me with other fishes but I was in a rush....so told her next time round...

I guess its not so bad...hope she remembers that I would be granted a 'free' fish for my next visit...hahha...

'Great news... get your replacement fish before the owner develops amnesia :22_yikes:

[RockyGoldy]

'Great news... get your replacement fish before the owner develops amnesia :22_yikes:

Hah..dun worry dude..i got this dude all freezed up in my freezer....can take it to her anytime...just in case..haha..

[IoStrisciare]

Dropped by the LFS last evening for a while and told the lfs owner about this...printed out the FishBase pics as proof as well...

the owner felt bad and she said she didn't know about it being a SW convert and that fish's been in the shop for 4 days already b4 I got it...she was planning to order more in!!!!

she said she will compensate me with other fishes but I was in a rush....so told her next time round...

I guess its not so bad...hope she remembers that I would be granted a 'free' fish for my next visit...hahha...

brudder, ask her for a red oscar!

[RockyGoldy]

brudder, ask her for a red oscar!

Hah..but i dun remember she got any now.....???

:shakehead

[The TRUST]

Dropped by the LFS last evening for a while and told the lfs owner about this...printed out the FishBase pics as proof as well...

the owner felt bad and she said she didn't know about it being a SW convert and that fish's been in the shop for 4 days already b4 I got it...she was planning to order more in!!!!

she said she will compensate me with other fishes but I was in a rush....so told her next time round...

I guess its not so bad...hope she remembers that I would be granted a 'free' fish for my next visit...hahha...

See what did I tell u! Never hurts to ask :) Good Job Buddy!

[rayman45]

exactly

[RockyGoldy]

See what did I tell u! Never hurts to ask :) Good Job Buddy!

Hah..might drop by tomorrow (sat) and look her in the eyes...and say..

'where is my free fish'?? :devil:

[ezman]

U can scrap that brudder....unless u wan to see this guy in the freezer!

OKie, i wanna see the dead fish!

[ezman]

Hah..might drop by tomorrow (sat) and look her in the eyes...and say..

'where is my free fish'?? :devil:

I also wanna go!!! WHERE IS MINE???

[RockyGoldy]

OKie, i wanna see the dead fish!

To steam, poach or fry??

:hitting:

[ezman]

To steam, poach or fry??

:hitting:

i would suggest fry the fellow.......... :drool:

[Danie|_boy]

Hey RG,

Sorry to hear about your loss bro. I feel your pain. :( I know you probably wont get anything back from the store but if you point out it was Saltwater and kinda hint to them that ur really feeling bad, they might hook you up with a really good deal the next time around. it's worth a shot. If you don't try you never know what you might gain. :)
i agree dude.. worth a good try though.. :idea:

[guesswho2005]

Hi MKFers...

Yesterday spotted this unique freshwater grouper and stright away i know it is a rare find...I am still not too sure what breed it is (Genus: Cephalopholis??)...after about 20mins consideration and seeing it feeding on live feeder common cats...I decide to try my hands on...
Bought a breeder plastic tank to hold this guy in one of my tank..as this dude is only a 5 incher, I tot it would be safer in the breeder tank for the time being till it grows much bigger..considering the fact that all my fishes are monsters...
Slowly acclimatise this dude..and then put it in the breeder tank....after which I went to walk my dog....for a mere 15mins...and when i return...this dude died on me!!!!!
Till now, I do not know what caused the death...and my water parameters are alright..which leads me to think that perhaps this fish is a salt water convert? I am looking for more information for this dude...
Basically kicking myself once more for not learning more about the fish before buying..I guess this is a lesson hardest to learn for people like us...cus oddballs that are hard to find is like striking lottery!! once you give it a miss, it would be snapped up the next moment!!
I was still bragging to my fish mates on what a rare find i got and I am so happy..but it did not last more than 30mins in my house!!
Now I placed him in my freezer..no heart to throw it away..and only some pics here for remembrance...

Any brudders here can shed some lights on this fish and if this is a saltwater convert, let me know...if it is, I will bring this issue to the shop that sold me this fish..at least to tell them this is a saltwater convert and it is not right to sell them...

Rocky. its a bumble bee grouper alright they have been quite sucessful at getting these aclimated to FW. they are a salt or high brack fish from what ive been reading and talking to dealers. The hard part is you never know if the dealer or LFS spent the time to do their jobs right. Sorry for the loss, Iwould have jumped right in too.

[RockyGoldy]

Rocky. its a bumble bee grouper alright they have been quite sucessful at getting these aclimated to FW. they are a salt or high brack fish from what ive been reading and talking to dealers. The hard part is you never know if the dealer or LFS spent the time to do their jobs right. Sorry for the loss, Iwould have jumped right in too.

well..that dude is still in my freezer till todate.

[ezman]

well..that dude is still in my freezer till todate.

i just saw it last nite....indeed a nice fish!!! :cry:

[Koji]

well..that dude is still in my freezer till todate.
Remember I was there on the same day when you bought this fella. i was still squating infront of the tank staring at it and considering getting it too.

[RockyGoldy]

Remember I was there on the same day when you bought this fella. i was still squating infront of the tank staring at it and considering getting it too.

So u felt lucky that u didn't take it bro?? :headshake

[buddah101]

Bumblebee grouper. fresh when juvie to fully salt but some may be "acclimated"

[Koji]

So u felt lucky that u didn't take it bro?? :headshake
Yah...kinda. Just ain't ready to investing into costly fishes yet.:(