Gold Gar

[csx4236]

I am currently working on purchasing this bad boy by sometime next week, just wanted to show him off to all you gar freaks.

[bigspizz]

For sale soon???????????

[DIESELMACK]

nice..Chad on AP has two of them I have seen in person, they look sweet!

[Aquaman_95]

Very cool!

[cichlaguapote]

holy shibby.. I was kinda over gars for a while.. but nice freakin gar!!!

[Nic]

wow that's a beauty

[Vicious_Fish]

Wow! Awesome gars! What exact species is that?

[drgn1234]

:drool: sweet gar

[jtrotter77]

I know I know. its the gold species :)

[E_americanus]

Wow! Awesome gars! What exact species is that?

in the case of the 3 pictured, Florida gars, Lepisosteus platyrhincus. the condition can occur in any species, but most of the gold gars seen in the trade are Floridas (i believe there was an alligator that went for sale a couple years back).

definitely impressive specimens :) --
--solomon

[Blaker]

How much would a gold gar cost? Ballpark?

[Bsixxx]

How much would a gold gar cost? Ballpark?

in the thousands and perhaps 10thousands

[Jakdarippa]

This platinum alligator gar from RachBuri Province, Thailand was sold for a little over a million bucks..

[jerrym]

nice gold gar.

[Jakdarippa]

nice gold gar.

Its called a platinum, the newest addition to the Asian gar craze..theres also a variety called snow gar.

[bigspizz]

Its called a platinum, the newest addition to the Asian gar craze..theres also a variety called snow gar.





I think he meant the O.P.......

[cichlaguapote]

This platinum alligator gar from RachBuri Province, Thailand was sold for a little over a million bucks..

That thing will be crazy at 6ft... :WHOA:

[fishloverblake]

This platinum alligator gar from RachBuri Province, Thailand was sold for a little over a million bucks..
wow, id never pay that much.

[Jakdarippa]

Here's a pic of a Snow Gar...( from www.Alligartor.com (http://www.Alligartor.com))


and some video clips...

http://www.alligartor.com/00/Alligator_Gar_Platinum.wmv
http://www.alligartor.com/00/Platinum_Gar.WMV

[rob0521]

All these pics are making me gar hungry!

[csx4236]

That platnum is out of this world.

[fishloverblake]

yea its pretty sic.

[ewurm]

That's an awesome pickup CSX! More pics when you get it. Is this for your personal collection?

[fishloverblake]

could u imagine a platinum crocodile gar type 2.

[vinson lim]

could u imagine a platinum crocodile gar type 2.


2 million dollar then, i guess....

[Crustman]

A million dollars for a gar. I think its time to irradiate some eggs or put some plutonium in a breeding tank.

[Polypterus]

could u imagine a platinum crocodile gar type 2.

Why??? you may as well just get a platinum gator...Maybe you could board it or something to make the nose longer....The A.spatula X L. oculatus / platyrhincus is best expressed as it is..A plain white version would be stupid....

[demjor19]

Why??? you may as well just get a platinum gator...Maybe you could board it or something to make the nose longer....The A.spatula X L. oculatus / platyrhincus is best expressed as it is..A plain white version would be stupid....

that would be a shame to lose the markings that fish has. a white one would be rather bland.

[cichlid savage]

I never wanted a gar until i saw those.

[Jakdarippa]

Variety is never bad... Color is just a matter of taste and preference I guess, I personally like the leopard spots on my gators but these colored gars have a different kind of appeal. Wonder what causes these mutations..

[Polypterus]

Variety is never bad... Color is just a matter of taste and preference I guess, I personally like the leopard spots on my gators but these colored gars have a different kind of appeal. Wonder what causes these mutations..

Genetics...

[DownUnder]

pretty monsters mate... really pretty...

[csx4236]

That's an awesome pickup CSX! More pics when you get it. Is this for your personal collection?

Yes this will be for my personel collection and not for sale, We have a white tropical gar and the gold will be together in the same tank. Will get some pictures of both together soon.

[demjor19]

they will look great together. is the white trop. all white or piebald?

[Jakdarippa]

Genetics...


I know its a genetic mutation.. I meant how it works, wont be long before they farm them im sure..

[demjor19]

I know its a genetic mutation.. I meant how it works, wont be long before they farm them im sure..

they may already farm them, but i am not certain.

[Polypterus]

they may already farm them, but i am not certain.

They are all farmed...Only rarely is a Gold or white fish found in the wild.

All of these ones in the hobby are being produced in aquaculture facilities. If I remember the odds correctly it is one in five thousand Tropicus that turn out white or Piebald in a given spawn. Given the fact a big mature female can lay 6,000+ eggs with 80% survival those are pretty good odds. I would not think the odds are any different for Alligator or Florida gars, naturally the amount of fry produced for a Gator or a Florida are slightly different.

[demjor19]

They are all farmed...Only rarely is a Gold or white fish found in the wild.

All of these ones in the hobby are being produced in aquaculture facilities. If I remember the odds correctly it is one in five thousand Tropicus that turn out white or Piebald in a given spawn. Given the fact a big mature female can lay 6,000+ eggs with 80% survival those are pretty good odds. I would not think the odds are any different for Alligator or Florida gars, naturally the amount of fry produced for a Gator or a Florida are slightly different.

cool. that's a nice bit of info.

[csx4236]

this gold gar is wild caught

[Polypterus]

this gold gar is wild caught

If it is from that particular canal / impoundment in Florida (I'm not mentioning locality, sorry folks, I would have to kill you if I told you) it is pretty close to Aquacultured. Most of these come from there. Krauses first ones where from there as are Chads. Technically one could say they are wild caught but really they are a managed population and one of the major pools that supply the hobby with both the gold and normal colored fish.

Don't get me wrong here Mike..I'm not knocking your fish. These suckers are very rare and uncommon and it is a great addition to any Gar collection...

[ZOO YORK 207]

So Mike......We are waiting for pics in your tank....:nilly:

[Jakdarippa]

They are all farmed...Only rarely is a Gold or white fish found in the wild.

All of these ones in the hobby are being produced in aquaculture facilities. If I remember the odds correctly it is one in five thousand Tropicus that turn out white or Piebald in a given spawn. Given the fact a big mature female can lay 6,000+ eggs with 80% survival those are pretty good odds. I would not think the odds are any different for Alligator or Florida gars, naturally the amount of fry produced for a Gator or a Florida are slightly different.


Very informative...that definatly makes sense since bright colored fish in the wild are more likely to fall prey before they reach maturity. But by farmed what I meant to say is; Say you dump a bunch of colored gars in a pond for selective breeding.. would that then mean the spawn would reap 5000+ colored gar? - I think with the demand for these fish and pricetag... Someone out there is already working on it. Flower Gars could be coming to a FS near you..

[Polypterus]

Very informative...that definatly makes sense since bright colored fish in the wild are more likely to fall prey before they reach maturity. But by farmed what I meant to say is; Say you dump a bunch of colored gars in a pond for selective breeding.. would that then mean the spawn would reap 5000+ colored gar? - I think with the demand for these fish and pricetag... Someone out there is already working on it. Flower Gars could be coming to a FS near you..

It is not as simple as just putting a bunch of gold fish together..They are not a fixed strain but a random mutation that is expressed in only a few fish. A pair of Gold fish is likely to throw off 1000's of normal fish for ever 1 gold one.

The late age of maturity makes it very difficult to fix a strain with a fish like this. Unlike lets say guppies or cichlids, it takes 5 to 7 years for a female to mature and 4 to 5 years for a male.

Someone out there is already working on it.
you betcha there are some working on it ;)

[csx4236]

If it is from that particular canal / impoundment in Florida (I'm not mentioning locality, sorry folks, I would have to kill you if I told you) it is pretty close to Aquacultured. Most of these come from there. Krauses first ones where from there as are Chads. Technically one could say they are wild caught but really they are a managed population and one of the major pools that supply the hobby with both the gold and normal colored fish.

Don't get me wrong here Mike..I'm not knocking your fish. These suckers are very rare and uncommon and it is a great addition to any Gar collection...

It is coming from the same pond as chads gars. Now your going to have to tell me the location so i can get there myself ? Will be waiting lol

[csx4236]

He wont be arriving till after next week but will post pictures as soon as it lands.

[Superlaz]

As already mentioned the Golds come from a loacale down here....don't know where....DM spotted a Gold tailed Gar on his last fishing trip down here that we saw. I think theres a pic up in the fishing section. I know an area with quite a surplus of FL Gars....in the Thousands at a time and they are all normal....as should be expected...except for one Black that I spotted a few months back...couldnt land it though. Wen I say black...I mean JET black...not breeding colors black...

[xander]

How much would a gold gar cost? Ballpark?

around 3-4k, depending on the highest bidder

[xander]

is there any way of differentiating a gold gator from a gold tropical or a normal cuban?

[Polypterus]

is there any way of differentiating a gold gator from a gold tropical or a normal cuban?

By their morphology...They really are very different fish.

[xander]

By their morphology...They really are very different fish.

morphology?

[Polypterus]

morphology?

Meritistic analysis of morphology...
You know....Proportions, measurements, scale counts...It is how you properly ID fish to species.

[xander]

okay makes sense now. thanks

[demjor19]

what he is basicaly saying is...they are different species of fish, so of course there are differences beyond pattern and coloration.

[Polypterus]

what he is basicaly saying is...they are different species of fish, so of course there are differences beyond pattern and coloration.

Those would indeed be the laymens terms I do not easily express :)

[xander]

what he is basicaly saying is...they are different species of fish, so of course there are differences beyond pattern and coloration.

okay, but anyone care to elaborate? from pictures tropicals kinda look like gators and so do cubans. or if there's and site i could go to where this discussion had already been help? thanks.

[Polypterus]

okay, but anyone care to elaborate? from pictures tropicals kinda look like gators and so do cubans. or if there's and site i could go to where this discussion had already been help? thanks.

If it was was for the fact that we are currently doing a full redo of Primitivefish.com I would send you there as each species was fully detailed there.

Elaborating in detail specific morphologic traits in a forum could be tedious. At this time you can however find detailed photos of all seven species and a few hybrids here: http://aquaticpredators.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11064

(Sorry MFK mods this really is the only source on the web for this but it is not the exclusive home of gars ;) it is just where we have put this info)

[xander]

If it was was for the fact that we are currently doing a full redo of Primitivefish.com I would send you there as each species was fully detailed there.

Elaborating in detail specific morphologic traits in a forum could be tedious. At this time you can however find detailed photos of all seven species and a few hybrids here: http://aquaticpredators.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11064

(Sorry MFK mods this really is the only source on the web for this but it is not the exclusive home of gars ;) it is just where we have put this info)

haha, in fact, i spend loads of time on that page drooling over the tropicals and cubans. yet i find that the heads of all atractostseus look the sameish. correct me on this?

[E_americanus]

haha, in fact, i spend loads of time on that page drooling over the tropicals and cubans. yet i find that the heads of all atractostseus look the sameish. correct me on this?

in short, it's because they are the same genus...so they will look more similar to each other than to the other gar genus, Lepisosteus.

i was gone for a conference for a week, but as richard said, we're overhauling primitivefish.com, so bear with us as that site will be updated again sometime soon, and more detailed work will be added over the course of this fall.


mike,

congrats on getting the lead on that golden gar, i hope all goes well with getting it into your tank...will definitely make a fine showpiece to an already impressive collection :) --
--solomon

[xander]

in short, it's because they are the same genus...so they will look more similar to each other than to the other gar genus, Lepisosteus.

i was gone for a conference for a week, but as richard said, we're overhauling primitivefish.com, so bear with us as that site will be updated again sometime soon, and more detailed work will be added over the course of this fall.


mike,

congrats on getting the lead on that golden gar, i hope all goes well with getting it into your tank...will definitely make a fine showpiece to an already impressive collection :) --
--solomon

waiting patiently. :)

[demjor19]

i was just on primitivefish and was wandering what was going on. hope it is up soon.

when do you get your gold gar mike?

[xander]

waiting patiently. :)

primitive fish is up. woo hoo

yeah when'd the gold gar comming?

[sunga]

wow those thing sound cool i mite buy one

[sunga]

but actally i am im not sure how much they cost

[sunga]

if there 30.00 thats gona be cool

[*KrAmEr*]

Did you end up getting some?

[tottzz_3]

nice gar!!! wat kind of gar was dat? bought a 3 inches spotted gar few days ago..hope he's gonna survive...