My 2 big red scats, both around the foot long mark. Great fish. Not many people keep them once they lose the red juvenile colouration. I think these are just as impressively coloured as juveniles. I think the mistake that alot of people make with these species is feeding. They need constant feeding to be kept at their optimum. They are a great addition to a tankbuster tank if most your your big guys are big lazy catfish.